Trainwreck The Empathic Nutritionist / Empathic Mamahood / Robyn Grogitsky-Ramirez / Luna Elva Ramirez / Glenn Ramirez / Atlas Glenn Standford Ramirez - Eyefucking Sociopath Selfie Addict Mother and Closeted Gymrat Pothead Father who use Instagram to Parade their Homemade Homunculus Tard Baby Created by their Refusal to Follow any Medical Oversights

[SpiceyHuman]

The whole birth trauma thing lately is really stuck with me.

For the longest time, Robyn would preach the POWER, EUPHORIA and EMPOWERING nature of childbirth and how all women could do it joyfully and yada yada yada. She has gone on endlessly how enlightening both her births were, even despite the horror of Luna's birth. Why is she only now, with this new pregnancy, going on about her birth trauma? What made her finally admit to herself that her first birthing was a fucked up shit show? Its just very odd to me since narcs seldon ever admit fault/wrong/or that something didnt go exactly as they planned.

 

[SmeltItDeltIt]

The whole birth trauma thing lately is really stuck with me.

For the longest time, Robyn would preach the POWER, EUPHORIA and EMPOWERING nature of childbirth and how all women could do it joyfully and yada yada yada. She has gone on endlessly how enlightening both her births were, even despite the horror of Luna's birth. Why is she only now, with this new pregnancy, going on about her birth trauma? What made her finally admit to herself that her first birthing was a fucked up shit show? Its just very odd to me since narcs seldon ever admit fault/wrong/or that something didnt go exactly as they planned.

Maybe this is what she’s going to move on to when Luna finally goes to the heavenly potato patch? Perhaps the “empowering” birth angle is a little off when you have a profoundly disable child from said birth.

 

[White-Kettle Shufflepunk]

At this point I wonder if she could even recognise if Luna died.

 

[keytar]

From the safety of anonymity, am I wrong about what tapas are?

I thought tapas were small plates of food to eat while getting wine drunk. Lol

I looked up what Tapas Acupressure Technique is out of curiosity, because I thought it might have something to do with 'tapas' in a Yoga context which means discipline, or its literal meaning which is 'heat', so maybe some sort of heat-based therapy. But I was wrong, TAT is called that because its founder is named Tapas Fleming.

(unspoilered because the quotes went fucky, sorry for long)

From her site:

TAT is part of a larger family of mind-body healing techniques collectively known as Energy Psychology. Research suggests that TAT can be effective in treating stress, anxiety, trauma, PTSD, Adverse Childhood Experiences (ACEs), and weight loss maintenance.


The Tapas Acupressure Technique combines holding acupressure points on your head and going through a series of 9 statements.

What is the meaning of each Step of TAT?​

• The intention -- safe and easy healing
• Step 1: The Problem -- the issue/trauma/experience/pain that you are working on in the session. (putting in the pot)
• Step 2: The Opposite Condition -- Removing the emotional connection to “The Problem” and accepting that it’s over.
• Step 3: The Places -- All of the “places” ie: mind, body, & life where “The Problem” has been stuck or stored
• Step 4: The Origins -- All of the places where “The Problem” originated are included in the healing
• Step 5: Forgiveness -- Giving and accepting forgiveness for everyone involved in “The Problem” including God (or whatever name you choose, if at all) and yourself
• Step 6: All the Parts involved -- All of the physical, mental, and emotional “parts” of you involved in “The Problem”
• Step 7: Everything that’s left -- Anything left about “The Problem” that still needs attention
• Step 8: I Choose -- Positive affirmations about what you want in the here and now
• Step 9: Integration -- Integrating and allowing/accepting the process

So, woo, but at least it has you talking through your problems?

Work directly with Tapas Fleming, Founder and creator of TAT. You can choose to receive an energetic scan where Tapas asks your energetic field -- including your mental, emotional, physical, and spiritual energies -- what would be valuable to include in your session so you have the best healing possible in that moment.

Ok, maybe just batshit. You can choose whether she scans your energy over Skype or Zoom...

Some of what I see, hear, or feel in our sessions can include:​

• How energy is flowing and where it’s stuck in your energy field, including chakras and acupuncture meridians
• Scenes from your genetic history that are holding you back from health or your full connection with life in the here and now
• Parts of your body that need you to know something (for example, your kidneys might say, “drink more water” or your heart might say, “I’m withdrawn and afraid”)
• Scars that need healing from accidents or medical procedures where the flow of energy has been inhibited
• Angels
• Family members on the other side that want to tell you something
• Energetic flows that are stuck in your subtle energy field
• Ghosts hanging out in your energy field
• Parts of yourself that need to be freed from the past and brought to the here and now -- also called “soul retrieval”
• Where specific traumas are restricting the flow of energy in your body and energy field
• Weird thoughts and feelings that seem piped in from who-knows-where that are keeping you stuck in negativity, fear, anger, and other nasty conditions

GHOSTS HANGING OUT IN YOUR ENERGY FIELD

 

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I think those were the most horrifying videos I've seen in this thread so far.
The walking video: Because everyone walks at a diagonal angle with their feet on backwards.
The toy video: Her eyes are literally rolling around in her skull with zero purpose. They might as well be floating in a jar.
The feeding video: The horror of watching Atlas mimic the adults around him and just shove food in Luna's face, food he's undoubtedly had in his mouth also. What if he decides to "feed sissy" when no one is paying attention?
And just imagining if Luna dies while Atlas is under 5, the horrific nightmares he'll have of some giant headed baby being puppeted by adults. Shudder.

 

[LonesomeDud]

At this point I wonder if she could even recognise if Luna died.

You know how sometimes gorilla's will carry around a dead baby? This isn't unheard of with a parent who takes a child home on hospice. Usually this only lasts maybe a couple of hours, but it can actually be very therapeutic for moms not to be rushed like in a hospital. I am not a huge fan of telling suffering parents their child has passed. Sometimes letting people come to that conclusion in a safe place (providing they have a good support system) can facilitate healing.

I'm not a fan of planned home births, but I'm a fan of planned home deaths. It can be really tough in some ways, but every loved one who has chosen to support the patient passing at home seems to be more at peace.

 

[often puzzled]

The toy video (the color choosing one) was infuriating. Atlas was so ready and eager for interaction and enrichment. It's good to teach him to take turns, but I don't even know if he's understanding he's taking turns, since Luna doesn't do anything. Robyn held her head and pivoted it to yellow, for crying out loud. The poor kid. Both those poor kids.

In the meantime, Atlas is so alert that, while it's Luna's "turn," he fills the time by grabbing up a dollhouse and playing with it. He turns his head to watch the TV (which is on in the background, because of course it is). Something buzzes, and he's looking all over the place, trying to place the sound. While all that's going on, both adults are focused on Luna, who cannot interact at all.

Atlas isn't talking, but he can already steer that little car more smoothly than about 50% of the adults driving on city streets. I could see him being one of those kids who is silent until he feels he's got something to say, and then he's gone from zero to complete sentences. Still, though, you can see from the video that a lot of valuable interactions are being wasted (I hate to use that word, but you know what I mean) on Luna.

As a side note, I'd fallen behind on this thread since a few days before Christmas. When I initially clicked in to it to catch up a few days ago, I saw that the page count had taken a jump. And I thought: "please don't let Robyn be pregnant again." And here we are, no lessons learned whatsoever.

 

[Disgruntled Pupper]

If Luna can hold her head up why does the PT still always have her hands on her head? Give us one video of Luna with her head up with no PT near her. If she's taking purposeful steps why was she able to "walk" that way the second you put her in that contraption with absolutely no learning required? No actual human can just miraculously walk right off the bat, it's a learning process. Youtube exists, it's easy to find progress videos of even severely disabled kids actually learning to walk and it looks nothing like Luna's "journey". Why is she still so shit at "walking" a year into it with her feet at impossible angles and dragging half the time?

But even humoring Robyn for a second and Luna really is doing all these things, so what? Holding her head up should have been a thing Luna did within 2 months of being born. Walking should have been a thing she mastered 2 years ago. This toxic over-celebration of minor and conditional achievements that make no diffrence in Luna's or Robyn's life and that are competely overshadowed by what Robyn took from Luna is really pathetic.

Just like Gwen, Robyn rages because the doctors dared to tell her the truth about her daughter, but she's even more pathetic than Gwen because at least Gwen's potatos did live longer than predicted, while the doctor's are competely right about Luna- her brain is Swiss cheese and she is a useless lump that does nothing but twitch all day. Doctors didn't place limits on Luna, Robyn and Glenn did, and they couldn't even take responsibility and let her pass peaceful years ago like she should have. The money (other people's money) and time that they sink into this blackhole isn't worth it, and no one who is normal is impressed by what Robyn's supposedly superior mothering and medical knowledge has produced in Luna.

 

[Oracular Slug]

I’m hoping we just don’t see Atlas talking because he’s clearly over his mother’s camera obsession. A toddler rebellion of sorts.

 

[Thomas Eugene Paris]

In my experience with little boys, they often don’t start taking off until some time between 2-3. Is Atlas 2 yet? The next year will tell if he’s on track or not.

He will turn 2 next month.

I know that anecdotally, boys begin speaking later than girls. What is beginning to concern me, though, is that when we do hear him vocalize in Robyn's videos, it's with very simple phonemes - "ma" and "ba" are among the first sounds human beings learn to make, which is incidentally why so many of our words for "mother" and "father" contain them.

I don't know. It's still possible that he's one of those kids who goes from nothing to speaking in full sentences overnight, but I think the specific way his language appears to be developing is not usual.

 

[Cryptosporidium 136]

In the meantime, Atlas is so alert that, while it's Luna's "turn," he fills the time by grabbing up a dollhouse and playing with it.

Totally. She chastises him about being patient, but he really doesn’t do anything that warrants it.

 

[SmeltItDeltIt]

He will turn 2 next month.

I know that anecdotally, boys begin speaking later than girls. What is beginning to concern me, though, is that when we do hear him vocalize in Robyn's videos, it's with very simple phonemes - "ma" and "ba" are among the first sounds human beings learn to make, which is incidentally why so many of our words for "mother" and "father" contain them.

I don't know. It's still possible that he's one of those kids who goes from nothing to speaking in full sentences overnight, but I think the specific way his language appears to be developing is not usual.

All valid points. I went back to see what sort of videos we even have of Atlas recently to see what he says and imo we don’t really have enough video of him to know the extent of his speech - he’s usually not on video for more than a few seconds. Based on how he interacts with his parents, he understands received language very well and communicates his wants well. He doesn’t appear to be a noisy kid from the videos we have him in. I guess I want the little dude to be ok so I’m gonna be on team optimism about Atlas.

Spoiler: PL ahead sorry

My son is the same age as Luna and he was hardly talking till he hit about 2.5 and then he exploded with language, but if he was feeling shy or put on the spot he’d clam up. The pediatrician got worried at his 3 year checkup cause he was quiet but he speaks in complex sentences when he’s not scared.
My nephew is about the same age as Atlas and he hardly talks at all. Granted, he could still have a delay but it does seem like they don’t really worry about it till they’re three.

 

[Barbarella]

I don’t think Atlas is a worry yet. Just look at him-brright and engaged. Nothing is wrong with his hearing, understanding and likely speech.

Personal experiences:

Family 3 and 2 year olds are exactly the same. The three year old now speaks in sentences although mostly family understand-but didn’t speak at two. The two year old is just beginning to talk, and he’s several months into two, and everything sounds like boo. Although he just got “NO!” down. Doctor is not worried at all. Both of these boys are physically gifted like Atlas. An older one was speaking sentences at 9 months, perfectly clear, it startled everyone around, and is academically gifted but not so much physical.(a runner but no team sports) anotger, right on schedule with everything. I’m not saying one is related to the other, it’s just a thing. Those are boys, but my sister didn’t say a word until three, and then it was full on. Anyway, we have a year to worry about Atlas insofar as speech, and he’s not on camera that much anyway. .

I remember being worried about Kailyn’s daughter Gracie’s language skills and a speech therapist friend agreed that her early language was problematic. But turns out it sorted too.

However, if those videos of Atlas being ignored are emblematic of what’s going on, he might end up a frustrated little boy, especially with a new baby in the family . Asking a two year old to be patient for that long is insane but he did an amazing job. . She hired therapists-I wish she could pretend to be normal and let them do their job while she goes off and plays with Atlas. Luna hasn’t changed in two years-except to get worse. They can do without her very nasal “good job Luna” in favor of her going to another room and coloring or playing cars with Atlas.

Back on topic:

I agree that these videos of Luna were most horrifying. Especially the first one, especially compared to what crazy Robyn thinks. Luna seized several times, jolting her head up uncontrollably, the woman lightened her grip while she was stiff, then Luna dropped her head and “stepped” and repeated it all over. Robyn ignored the seizures, the head holding, the unseeing eyes, the backward feetand legs and played some triumph song about survival.

It was grotesque.

 

[Choroid Plexus]

I don’t think Atlas is a worry yet. Just look at him-brright and engaged. Nothing is wrong with his hearing, understanding and likely speech.

Personal experiences:

Family 3 and 2 year olds are exactly the same. The three year old now speaks in sentences although mostly family understand-but didn’t speak at two. The two year old is just beginning to talk, and he’s several months into two, and everything sounds like boo. Although he just got “NO!” down. Doctor is not worried at all. Both of these boys are physically gifted like Atlas. An older one was speaking sentences at 9 months, perfectly clear, it startled everyone around, and is academically gifted but not so much physical.(a runner but no team sports) anotger, right on schedule with everything. I’m not saying one is related to the other, it’s just a thing. Those are boys, but my sister didn’t say a word until three, and then it was full on. Anyway, we have a year to worry about Atlas insofar as speech, and he’s not on camera that much anyway. .

I remember being worried about Kailyn’s daughter Gracie’s language skills and a speech therapist friend agreed that her early language was problematic. But turns out it sorted too.

However, if those videos of Atlas being ignored are emblematic of what’s going on, he might end up a frustrated little boy, especially with a new baby in the family . Asking a two year old to be patient for that long is insane but he did an amazing job. . She hired therapists-I wish she could pretend to be normal and let them do their job while she goes off and plays with Atlas. Luna hasn’t changed in two years-except to get worse. They can do without her very nasal “good job Luna” in favor of her going to another room and coloring or playing cars with Atlas.

Back on topic:

I agree that these videos of Luna were most horrifying. Especially the first one, especially compared to what crazy Robyn thinks. Luna seized several times, jolting her head up uncontrollably, the woman lightened her grip while she was stiff, then Luna dropped her head and “stepped” and repeated it all over. Robyn ignored the seizures, the head holding, the unseeing eyes, the backward feetand legs and played some triumph song about survival.

It was grotesque.

You just don't appreciate Luna's sassy personality the way Robyn does. Luna jerkily flexes her arms every time she lifts her head because she's seizing dancing! No backwards feet are going to stop this girl from showing off her moves, haters.

 

[La Usurpadora]

Atlas is lucky he's still too young, i think it could be worse if he was a teenager. Remember Callum and the Hartley girls? Damn. I bet Robyn would do the same to him, forcing him to parade around his potato of a sister and to take pictures with that Marina-Joyce-help-me smile. Best outcome for him is Luna dying while he's still too young to even remember her.

 

[Bakarina]

In my experience with little boys, they often don’t start taking off until some time between 2-3. Is Atlas 2 yet? The next year will tell if he’s on track or not.

My pediatrician said when my eldest was young that they're generally not worried about delayed speech in boys until after their 3rd birthday unless there's other factors at play (like excess fluid around the eardrum for example). It's very common for young children that are busy to go from not talking much, to speaking in clear sentences one day after they turn 3.

Atlas is very advanced physically, always has been, so why would he have any need to ask for something with words when he can do most of what he needs for himself --generally speaking. He's probably not even concerned with having a soiled diaper, he's probably been kept in one long enough that being in mild discomfort is normal.

 

[GenociderSyo]

 

[Wine em Dine em 69 em]

Wow that’s great news Robyn and Gymbrah! Luna can hold her head independently, make purposeful movements and use the eye gaze thing and after years of speech therapy she’ll be talking in no time.
Y’all should celebrate by taking Luna to Disney, go on a log ride like fellow spud mom did here. Her tater is on a breather and everything so you have no excuse
not to show Luna off to the world.
(What’s the spud’s name, Kayleigh or something? Mom takes her swimming and put her in the gravity flight vortex thing and she died for 30 minutes and is basically dead k thx).

 

[Instant_Pot_User]

after years of speech therapy she’ll be talking in no time

lol no, not ever — she’s neither sending nor receiving any signals, linguistic or otherwise

Mom takes her swimming and put her in the gravity flight vortex thing and she died for 30 minutes and is basically dead k thx

What’s the story there? Do people really bring their profoundly disabled kids on thrill rides?

 

[Pudgy Bear Claws]

He will turn 2 next month.

I know that anecdotally, boys begin speaking later than girls. What is beginning to concern me, though, is that when we do hear him vocalize in Robyn's videos, it's with very simple phonemes - "ma" and "ba" are among the first sounds human beings learn to make, which is incidentally why so many of our words for "mother" and "father" contain them.

I don't know. It's still possible that he's one of those kids who goes from nothing to speaking in full sentences overnight, but I think the specific way his language appears to be developing is not usual.

When my boy was 2-ish, he wouldn't shut the hell up. Everything was, "why?" He asked questions constantly and even if he wasn't talking to me, he chattered to himself and his toys. To me, it's eerie watching Atlas wander around in virtual silence. It's like no one is actually taking time to talk to the poor kid.