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Trump Enslavement Syndrome - Orange man good. /r/The_Donald and any public demonstration of rabid pro-Trump enthusiasm in spite of all reason.
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Ah yes, January 6th. The last straw for my faith in Trumpism. And the day the right wing which criticizes "the elites" for hiding behind their security teams criticize them for not hiding behind their security teams HARDER THAN LAST TIME on. Slightly ironic, if I say so myself.
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What you're trying to do is to say that none of this would have happened without their involvement. This would be like suggesting the days of rage wouldn't have happened without glowie involvement. In short, it's retarded and trying to pretend your ideology somehow lacks skeletons in the water closet.
Before you blather on "OH BUT THE LEFT HAS SKELETONS TOO," click the damn wikipedia link.
Welcome to the thread! We've got lots of people in here, on record, stating just as much all over social media - unless they're all, I guess, glowies. And I know plenty of people who take that position in the "real" world. Some only talk when they don't feel they'll be judged, but for most, they just kindof bring it up to litmus test your reaction and response before they go on.
And yes, of course, there are people who praise the rioters and looters or who couch their approval in "Well, I don't like it, but can you really blame them?" It takes about a three digit IQ to have the capacity to despise both blocs.
Well, beyond all of the security guards who also were injured or died, sure. There's also the matter of the run-ons of prestige, which of course doesn't matter to people who have never cared about politics and have merely turned to it as the hottest way to get dopamine upvotes. The United States giving off vibes of political instability at home makes it a less attractive trading partner - because if the country constantly pendulums back and forth between its extremes every two to four years, it's like as not going to renege on its commitments.
It isn't to say that the riot was the only thing feeding into this perception - but generally speaking, a bunch of random people breaking into your capitol building and yelling angrily is what one might expect of Sri Lanka, not the foremost economic power in the world with the highest standard of living.
lol, seriously? Explain to me why inflation has hit everywhere in the world, universally, at the same time. Does the US government spending money cause everywhere else to explode? Furthermore, why didn't we see serious inflation when the Obama administration printed $4tr to bail out bankers? Both occurred in the midst of market recessions, so logically we should've seen an explosion in inflation rates when that happened not just at home, but globally. Yet most countries struggled to even hit 2%, with some scraping around 4%.
Inflation is spiking as both a hangover from having 0% interest rates for four years (this is called "cheap money") and the effective collapse of the globalist expansion which caused 1980-2020 to see the greatest reduction both in inflation rates and cost of living that has ever been known in human history. Whether it was Trump or it was Biden, that era was ending in 2022. Countries everywhere are decoupling from China. The US is reevaluating the strategic importance of the Bretton-Woods system it has held up since 1945 - the lynchpin of globalism - and is shifting towards more regional trade agreements. Commodities have spiked because of war. Interest rates spiking globally makes tying up your capital in foreign markets unattractive. To cap it off, boomers are leaving the labor force en masse and being replaced by zoomers, who are a demographic that is one of the smallest in recorded history (millennials have already been in the labor force), which explains why the labor market is searing hot.
When the labor market is searing hot, employees make more wages. Employees making more money is usually passed on to the consumer in the form of higher prices. Wage growth has been stagnant for quite some time, as has inflation. The sudden exodus of labor from the market spikes wages, and surprise - inflation, real inflation not seen in nearly a half-century, comes with it. Inflation that was far higher than during the pandemic, wherein millions were effectively out of work and global supply lines stood still, which meant that certain products (graphics cards) saw explosive cost increases yet general cost of living barely budged.
When the interest rate is low, inflation begins to bubble up - or it did, until the mid-80s. Cheap loans that cost very little allow for lots of people to take out lots of money to do lots of things, which increases demand for all sorts of staples and commodities. This means more construction, more business expansion, more hiring, etc. etc. This allowed tech to be so absurdly overvalued as it was - and as it still is. Tesla is another example of a stock that had benefitted tremendously from loose, easy capital and which is going to shed a lot, lot more of its valuation with the return of high interest rates. Wonder why crypto went from the biggest-ever in 2021 to an ungodly explosion and a near-wipeout in late 2022? It might just have to do with the end of cheap money and the return of mister bear.
Central bankers were perplexed for decades as to why interest rates were low and yet inflation did not meaningfully rise - this was because globalization essentially always allowed you to shop around and find cheap inputs, often from China. Decoupling from China as well as shocks to food, fertilizer, and commodities markets caused by the Russian invasion of Ukraine all coincided with the collapse of these old workarounds - US/EU sanctions, as well as their Russian mirrors, have cut off many OECD countries from the cheap inputs their industries were dependent on. The boomers liquidating their positions in order to fund retirement, as well as pulling their own wealth-production from the market, has also cut out both the capital needed to service all that corporate debt/expenditure and a massive chunk of the labor inputs.
The result is the return of inflation - real inflation, lasting inflation, something that had been banished from the world for nearly forty years. Trump's spending, Trump's unemployment bennies, Biden's spending, Biden's unemployment bennies - inflating the deficit and the debt doesn't cause inflation like this. Quantitative easing, that is buying back (and increasing the rates of buybacks / issuance) already-issued government bonds and minting new currency to give to the bond-holders ("printing money") does not cause this. Every year, the mint spits out money - both the "replacement rate" (currency destroyed / lost, estimation) and to keep up with inflation; I know there were funny pictures about money printer, but the Congress didn't pay for its policies with Zimbabwe logic. It used debt, like every other fucking policy. Debt matters only if debtors call - and they won't. The point at which debt matters is when you can't service it (the US is a long way from that), or if the currency were to fall out of international favor. The greenback is going to be the international currency of choice for decades to come, especially with the collapse of globalization.
This isn't to say that the US should spend spend spend spend spend on the back of debt, but rather that thinking that the national debt contributes to inflation in this way is retarded, particularly when it fails to explain why: the EU, India, Argentina, Brazil, China, Japan, South Korea, Australia, Canada, Mexico, etc etc etc are all ratcheting up interest rates (japan was a holdout) and experiencing serious inflation.
When the labor market is searing hot, employees make more wages. Employees making more money is usually passed on to the consumer in the form of higher prices. Wage growth has been stagnant for quite some time, as has inflation. The sudden exodus of labor from the market spikes wages, and surprise - inflation, real inflation not seen in nearly a half-century, comes with it. Inflation that was far higher than during the pandemic, wherein millions were effectively out of work and global supply lines stood still, which meant that certain products (graphics cards) saw explosive cost increases yet general cost of living barely budged.
When the interest rate is low, inflation begins to bubble up - or it did, until the mid-80s. Cheap loans that cost very little allow for lots of people to take out lots of money to do lots of things, which increases demand for all sorts of staples and commodities. This means more construction, more business expansion, more hiring, etc. etc. This allowed tech to be so absurdly overvalued as it was - and as it still is. Tesla is another example of a stock that had benefitted tremendously from loose, easy capital and which is going to shed a lot, lot more of its valuation with the return of high interest rates. Wonder why crypto went from the biggest-ever in 2021 to an ungodly explosion and a near-wipeout in late 2022? It might just have to do with the end of cheap money and the return of mister bear.
Central bankers were perplexed for decades as to why interest rates were low and yet inflation did not meaningfully rise - this was because globalization essentially always allowed you to shop around and find cheap inputs, often from China. Decoupling from China as well as shocks to food, fertilizer, and commodities markets caused by the Russian invasion of Ukraine all coincided with the collapse of these old workarounds - US/EU sanctions, as well as their Russian mirrors, have cut off many OECD countries from the cheap inputs their industries were dependent on. The boomers liquidating their positions in order to fund retirement, as well as pulling their own wealth-production from the market, has also cut out both the capital needed to service all that corporate debt/expenditure and a massive chunk of the labor inputs.
The result is the return of inflation - real inflation, lasting inflation, something that had been banished from the world for nearly forty years. Trump's spending, Trump's unemployment bennies, Biden's spending, Biden's unemployment bennies - inflating the deficit and the debt doesn't cause inflation like this. Quantitative easing, that is buying back (and increasing the rates of buybacks / issuance) already-issued government bonds and minting new currency to give to the bond-holders ("printing money") does not cause this. Every year, the mint spits out money - both the "replacement rate" (currency destroyed / lost, estimation) and to keep up with inflation; I know there were funny pictures about money printer, but the Congress didn't pay for its policies with Zimbabwe logic. It used debt, like every other fucking policy. Debt matters only if debtors call - and they won't. The point at which debt matters is when you can't service it (the US is a long way from that), or if the currency were to fall out of international favor. The greenback is going to be the international currency of choice for decades to come, especially with the collapse of globalization.
This isn't to say that the US should spend spend spend spend spend on the back of debt, but rather that thinking that the national debt contributes to inflation in this way is retarded, particularly when it fails to explain why: the EU, India, Argentina, Brazil, China, Japan, South Korea, Australia, Canada, Mexico, etc etc etc are all ratcheting up interest rates (japan was a holdout) and experiencing serious inflation.
tl;dr: real, global inflation is back. It isn't going away anytime soon, and it had nothing to do with the US government throwing around debt. It rather has a lot to do with boring economic concepts that are not taught in US high schools and thus are beyond the pale for most people to grasp, hence why they think Germany's spiking inflation somehow has to do with unemployment benefits being thrown around for a half-year longer than they should have by the US government.
Many of the policies undertaken during covid were short-sighted and retarded (yeah let's just not let landlords collect rent, I'm sure they won't turn this around to the largest increases in the cost of rent in modern memory to recoup lost income), but blaming the current inflation on them happening is economic illiteracy
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Yeah, when you have fucking video tape of a glow nigger literally orchestrating the crime, it's safe to assume they have strong involvement. The Proud Boys, etc. may as well be the KKK where it's just glow niggers bumping into each other randomly. The Days of Rage was of much larger scale and isn't a good comparison imo, but it sure is funny how that need to burn down cities suddenly ceased soon as parties swapped in the White House. January 6th was a fucking puppet show used as propaganda to achieve the wanted outcome.
You dump endless tons of government money into the economy it's going to spur inflation. Every economist agrees with this. It was the Biden administration ignroing the economic theory, not that Trump didn't want to throw money into the economy as well, but it's the main driving factor behind it. Pointing out Japan has 2.6 percent inflation compared to our near 8 percent is not going to save you when it comes to blame. Nor is the fact that socialist-esque governments in Europe had bad overreactions to Covid similar to US'. I'm not saying other factors like the War in Ukraine are not involved, but trying to shield US federal policy from blame is ludicrous. Pointing overseas is not a solution for financial hardship experienced by average Americans.
You dump endless tons of government money into the economy it's going to spur inflation. Every economist agrees with this. It was the Biden administration ignroing the economic theory, not that Trump didn't want to throw money into the economy as well, but it's the main driving factor behind it. Pointing out Japan has 2.6 percent inflation compared to our near 8 percent is not going to save you when it comes to blame. Nor is the fact that socialist-esque governments in Europe had bad overreactions to Covid similar to US'. I'm not saying other factors like the War in Ukraine are not involved, but trying to shield US federal policy from blame is ludicrous. Pointing overseas is not a solution for financial hardship experienced by average Americans.
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Trumpfags on House Speaker
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I don't envy McCarthy. That has to be the most humiliating and demoralizing political "victory" I've ever seen.
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Maybe don't act brigade this thread and dickride an elderly conman.
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I know digging into BBCode is super scary, but you can use @ to tag users.
Anyways - you stopped hearing about it being reported, but outbreaks still occurred here and there. They were minor. You think there weren't preparations for shit hitting the fan if the Floyd trial went awry? Let's not forget security preparations over Rittenhouse.
And yet the Floyd riots of 2020 were so extreme because the murder happened right at the start of summer, after several months of people being locked indoors owing to the first bout of covid. Major cities already have blood summers, where crime spikes naturally during the late spring and summer - and they were made worse by the administrations of those cities kowtowing to pressure from their retarded city councils and going easy on bustin' the offenders. Once people saw, initially, that cities were going lax and virtue signalling, shit started getting worse because people knew they could get away with it. By the time that late-2020 and early-2021 rolls around, the enormous spike in violent crime as well as the change in local government leads to harsher policies being reinstated and a complete 180 on the defund the police retardation. As more people see consequences, less people do it - and there also weren't instances of a dude sitting on some guy's neck for eight minutes to rile people up.
They did do that, by the way, locking up looters and rioters - I know it wasn't reported by the people who definitely don't have an agenda and totally just want to bring you the truth, but prosecutions take years. People get arrested, then let out on bail - in many of the cities, due to covid restrictions, they weren't even jailing people and didn't establish bail, but still had active prosecutions. And so it takes a while, and you subpoena (and subsequently reimburse, but I'm told by people who didn't read the twitter files that this means pay-off) social media and telecom companies for data to re-locate your suspect, yadda yadda, so-on. However, by the time the convictions started rolling out, the moment was gone and there's anyway absolutely zero to gain on one side of the aisle in reporting those convictions. You're much more pliant when you believe they all got off unpunished.
You can use control-k to hyperlink to shit you want to reference. Because I have no idea what you're referencing in specific. The FBI and the ABCs more generally have catfished for well over half a century at this point, and I bring up the Days of Rage because they instigated shit at that event, too. The FBI goads on people it suspects are threats but who have, thusfar, evaded leaving a trail and gets them to be retarded - and they go and they do it. They did it at the Days of Rage -what's different there? Oh yeah, they got retarded Maoists and Trotskyists and Leninists to do it, so it was based that time
I have no doubt the FBI honeypotted several of the groups in attendance at Jan 6th - it did not honeypot every single one. Nor did it MK-ultra them into pulling the proverbial triggers - it didn't put a gun to their heads and tell them to smuggle a shitton of weapons they weren't supposed to have into a crowded metro that was expecting an out-of-control crowd. It didn't make them march past the barrier - that was Antifa that did that, right? And it didn't make them trample through officials' offices and march towards where the sitting members of Congress were seated for a process that has gone on sleepily for over a century prior; that was, of course, the democrats or something that did it.
From the very beginning, you people have come up with excuse after excuse after excuse after cope after cope for these retards. Your perception of your ideology is so fragile that you can't hold onto those beliefs it it turns out that the vast majority of the people at Jan 6th were part of your belief system and were also complete fucking retards. Rather than disowning them and laughing at them like the morons they are and moving on - you know, like someone who can both be devoutly religious and find the Westboro idiots retarded - it has instead been a long-running program of pinning the blame wholesale on anyone else at all while pretending you're totally not-lionizing them. On the sparse justification of "well, why were these guys punished and these other guys not punished!" when the other guys were punished, but your outlets of choice just didn't report on it because they would never keep information from you!
And my, how you're reaping the rewards! Republicans that ran on law-and-order did pretty good in November - the ones who didn't try to downplay people rioting at the nation's capital building and yet still focused in on all the mom-and-pop shops fucked over by shitty administrations in 2020-22. Yet the people who were closest to cutting excuses for the Jan 6th gang, who bought the most into "it's the fault of everyone else except me, everything has been rigged against me" conspiracy shit gave you the worst midterm performances in nearly a century -- and one-upped that by leading to a historical number of votes on House Speaker. Did the country fall apart? Of course not; but it looked stupid and the people cheering it on as a #WINNING! look stupid.
Which is why it did in 2009, right? When we did a $4tr injection? Or in 2020, when we did it - no, wait, in 2021, when we did it. Or rather, I mean, well, you see, of course, the inflation was there, it was just hiding. Actually it takes conveniently long for the inflation to show up from the money's injection, and it was pure coincidence that it happened at the time of a massive shock to the global energy and commodities markets that you totally knew about, and it totally didn't happen in every other country at the same time.
Do you literally think they print off fat stacks of cash and then hand it directly to contractors or governors or whatever and go "here's the stuff we paid for this program with"? Bonds? Who needs 'em! Debt? Can't be traded! It's not like we have a ceiling for issuing debt or anything that gets bitched about at the end of every FY.
Which is why they almost all universally... applauded both the Trump and Biden administrations/congresses for spending out the ass to keep the economy afloat and vulnerable families supported - and nearly eliminated child poverty in the process?
Oh, yeah, Reason can find a few who will say that this is what caused inflation right before they tell you that crypto will rise again, but most economists understand how money fucking works and how the government "prints" money (it has to do with the bonds again, I know, it's boring) and thus don't blame a global inflation shock on a program that ran on for six months too long in one country which was nevertheless financed by debt the same as all the other fucking programs.
The economic theory that you can't name, because it doesn't exist, lol. Look, MMT, the idea that a government can literally print money infinitely with no ill effect so long as it's the international reserve (I mean literally print money, not buy back bonds it has already issued or issue more bonds or buy debt or trade debt etc) is retarded. That doesn't mean that the end-all be-all of market prices is government spending. Otherwise, we would have experienced ridiculous increases to inflation since the 90s - and yet we didn't. There isn't some magical line that you cross that triggers the shit, and even if there were:
You do realize that the deficit was larger in 2020 than in 2021, right?
Japan goes from .5% to 3.8%, which is nearly an eight-fold increase. The US goes from 1.7 to around 5, stays there for most of 2021, then hops up to 8 and even 9 in 2022, which is about a four-fold increase. In the same frame, US GDP grew by 5.9% in 2021 (post-pandemic boom, recall) while Japan's grew by 1.7% in that same year (Q4 data is not out yet, and thus 2022 is not out yet). Japan's low inflation is in part due to is extremely low GDP growth, and has been since the 90s. Hence why it was "stagflation," broken by the return of real inflation.
But, just to be clear. Germany hitting its highest rate of inflation in 70 years is the US's fault. Spain's inflation (choose 25Y on the model) hit record highs because of US spending. French - that's the US. The UK, that's the US too. Poland was definitely the doing of the US. Brazil's spike was us. Argentina was us. Mexico (10Y better here, as it can be hard to see with some of their historic insanity), us. Canada, us. Indonesia (5Y or 10Y work), us. India was actually a poor example, as it's doing its own thing - but that shouldn't surprise me, as India has never fully integrated into Bretton-Woods and is sortof its own subcontinental economy.
But China was apparently doing just fine over this recent global explosion, and they'd never fudge their economic stats.
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This thread is nothing but scorned Trump lovers like you who realized he's a big MIGA conman and shameless retards like Hoak Hoagie spouting bargain bin leftism. Occasionally a hot button topic like Section 230 pops up and everyone reveals they don't know shit about it, they just want excuses to strike back at their orange daddy.
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A Qtard claiming that other people don't know shit about a topic is peak irony.
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Hypocrisy - Wikipedia
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I just read the OP and I wanted to chime in. I helped create r/the_donald. I’m not going to say how or in what capacity but I will say that my initial involvement was with the original founder. Before CWM got involved - under 10k subs. I watched r/the_donald steamroll several subs as it grew, one of which I was originally apart of. It wasn’t fun to be on the side getting your ass kicked. And believe you me, the only battle t_d lost was the final one with Reddit. They beat the everliving shit out of any sub they targeted. It was amazing to watch. And it could be said that at the end instead of getting “fired” from Reddit they said “fuck you, I quit.” Posting was restricted for months before the sub finally got the shoah from the admins. They jumped on the grenade before Reddit could throw it. I just want to give them credit where credit is due because the OP seems to downplay the success they had. That sub single-handedly forced Reddit to reprogram their entire algorithm so that the entire front page of Reddit wasn’t t_d posts. They changed site-wide rules, sub rules, hell the CEO even edited a user’s post because it hurt his feelings. They froze the counter that showed how many subscribers the sub had so no one knew how popular it was, and they also fired the entire admin team on multiple occasions. (If you ever read this, OhSnapYouGotServed, you did a great job as head mod) They we’re a force to be reckoned with.
That sub brought a lot of fun back to Reddit that I hadn’t seen in years, if ever. (Late 00’s/early 2010’s Reddit was lit. My highest voted comment the first year I was there was a racist slur). Even if you hated them you had to admire their ability to attack an enemy headfirst and not give a single solitary fuck about the outcome, whether it was r/Sweden or the admins. They came up with memes that influenced mainstream culture and other social media companies even banned some of that sub’s top creators because they were so effective.
One day the algorithm fucked up and the entire front page of Reddit was t_d posts. It let everyone know the power the sub had and the behind-the-scenes machinations of what the admins were doing to battle it. In a lot of ways it was the first wave of censorship by big tech because of political views. Reddit started it and the other tech companies followed suit. And here we are today.
Anyway, I’ll quit rambling. But I just wanted people to know how much fun that subreddit was in the early stages, and the effect it had on Reddit, and the Internet, as a whole. It deserves more credit than it is given in this OP. And I watched it from beginning to end.
And before anyone says “Reddit is gay, you’re a fag” yes I get that. Yes reddit is gay but it wasn’t always. (And for the record I deleted my account years ago) It was a natural step from the progression of the old normie Internet to the new normie Internet. It was founded just a few years after I got my first mobile phone. And a few years before that I experienced my first high speed internet connection at college. The pictures on the screen loaded in a couple of seconds now instead of half a minute! Before Reddit came along it was the Wild West. Once it became popular, the Internet finally got some semblance of a decent aggregator website and it wasn’t half bad. Oh and the cat memes were lit.
That sub brought a lot of fun back to Reddit that I hadn’t seen in years, if ever. (Late 00’s/early 2010’s Reddit was lit. My highest voted comment the first year I was there was a racist slur). Even if you hated them you had to admire their ability to attack an enemy headfirst and not give a single solitary fuck about the outcome, whether it was r/Sweden or the admins. They came up with memes that influenced mainstream culture and other social media companies even banned some of that sub’s top creators because they were so effective.
One day the algorithm fucked up and the entire front page of Reddit was t_d posts. It let everyone know the power the sub had and the behind-the-scenes machinations of what the admins were doing to battle it. In a lot of ways it was the first wave of censorship by big tech because of political views. Reddit started it and the other tech companies followed suit. And here we are today.
Anyway, I’ll quit rambling. But I just wanted people to know how much fun that subreddit was in the early stages, and the effect it had on Reddit, and the Internet, as a whole. It deserves more credit than it is given in this OP. And I watched it from beginning to end.
And before anyone says “Reddit is gay, you’re a fag” yes I get that. Yes reddit is gay but it wasn’t always. (And for the record I deleted my account years ago) It was a natural step from the progression of the old normie Internet to the new normie Internet. It was founded just a few years after I got my first mobile phone. And a few years before that I experienced my first high speed internet connection at college. The pictures on the screen loaded in a couple of seconds now instead of half a minute! Before Reddit came along it was the Wild West. Once it became popular, the Internet finally got some semblance of a decent aggregator website and it wasn’t half bad. Oh and the cat memes were lit.
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Well, first of all, fuck you. The rapefugees from that plebbit were the last nail in the coffin of /pol/ which has never been remotely worth reading since, never mind those of you who got here.
But aside from that, reddit done you dirty so feels. At least you were the last hurrah of genuine shitposting on that site.
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Gee, can't imagine why the sub might've got itself nuked.
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You would have been, too, in 2009.
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It was fun to read and look at memes when the mood there was "we're probably not going to win this but we'll have fun". Then when Trump won it was just a barely readable wall of asskissing. Then after Trump lost and it moved to those .win sites it's constant coping and seething - so fun again but not for the intended reason.
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They were never the one who started it. But they were always the ones who finished it.
Here is an archive of a post from the head mod, OhSnapYouGotServed, where she outlines the unfair treatment they were experiencing from all the tranny jannies at headquarters in SF. It was common knowledge that OhSnapYouGotServed was a woman but I don’t know if there was any evidence confirming that. The mods there tried to keep good opsec so maybe it was a head fake. Either way she was a great mod. I believe Reddit canned her account shortly after this post. Also be sure to read the comments. Take note of the energy everyone had. It was a trump party 24/7.
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Congratulations, you created a hug box WITHIN a hug box. That r/sweden debacle was the funniest moment of The Donald yet. Quite sad that Reddit proved your point.