Russian Invasion of Ukraine Megathread - Episode III - Revenge of the Ruski (now unlocked with new skins and gameplay modes!!!)

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I love how this thread has permanently become 1-dumb-Ukie-bait post followed by 20 quotes of it for every page. Before the Keffals downtime, every highlight was breakdowns of the actual territory that's changed hands, recent videos from the front lines, analyses of the technology used by both sides, etc. I can't even remember the last drone or bodycam video I saw in this thread now.

Jannies should really return the thread to the former setup -- @mindlessobserver / @teriyakiburns etc. are banished back to posting their spam in A&N, and keep the thread focused on informative updates/analyses rather than endless sperging. Thread's a useless dumpster fire as it is right now. Here's some drone vids for a change.

Battle of Bakhmut -- Essentially all of the 2-story+ buildings in the city are rubble. Regardless of who takes it in the end, it will be impossible for any of the population to resettle. The meatgrinder continues with no clear winner, heavy losses by all.

Drones dropping grenades on AFU trenches and 2 disabled tanks. NW outside of Bakhmut.
@Givi gave up or died; he kept this going with some outstanding analysis.
Get the people with wrong opinions out of my hugbox, reeeeeeeee!

How shameful. Literally asking for Jannies, on kiwifarms, to clean up for you. When Soledar ends up in Ukrainian hands by February 1, I am going to take special pleasure in smug posting with you tagged.
Cope 3: Return of the Cope.
Somewhat off-topicish, but the US is really going to be hurting if it doesn't start developing some of these smaller cheaper drones like what either side is using next time it has a conventional war
The small cheap drones are a decent move...cheap to produce and soak up expensive as shit SAM/Air Defence. if $20,000 balsawood drone from Iran can eat up a $400000 missile...it doesn't need to hit target to do damage
 
You stated Soledar was "strategically unimportant" yet you manage to explain why it is important (while still being absolutely confused):"Its not important, only in so far as its in the way towards something that IS Important."

Yes, it's important because it's fall leads to the encirclement of Bakhmut, which is a strategic and vital location as it's a supply/road hub and its capture means the collapse of Ukrainian defense lines, opening up the roads into Kiev.
I said no such thing. I Said, hang on.... let me quote myself.
The map you posted says it all. Let me break it down for youSoledar is essentially a Salient position in front of the main Ukrainian Battle Line. It sits astride the main vector of advance towards the more strategic position at Blahodatne.
Ah yes. I said Soledar is in the way to Blahodatne. Not Bakhmut. Now, if Russia were to take Blahodatne, that would be an issue for Bakhmut because it sits astride the North/South axis of the Ukrainian Battle Line. But then I also pointed out there was no chance of Russia doing that, because...
And what is there? The map you posted spelled it out. Two BRIGADES of Infantry. One territorial guards and regular. An entire Regiment of Special Operations Forces, a Battalion of Artillery and just to the south another Brigade of Mechanized infantry and a brigade of TANKS.
Also, lol at Bakhmut opening up the road to Kiev. All Bakhmut does is open up the Road to Sloviansk, and even in the scenario where Russia wins absolutely fucking everything we will be right here 6 months from now arguing over whether or not Sloviansk will fall. Which incidentally I don't think will be the case.
 
I said no such thing. I Said, hang on.... let me quote myself.
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Also, lol at Bakhmut opening up the road to Kiev. All Bakhmut does is open up the Road to Sloviansk, and even in the scenario where Russia wins absolutely fucking everything we will be right here 6 months from now arguing over whether or not Sloviansk will fall. Which incidentally I don't think will be the case.
All you prove by this retardation is you have no idea of what Ukraine looks like; there really isn't a Ukrainian Army anymore, it collapsed a while back. It's mercs, PMCs, "volunteers" aka Polish soldiers/other retards like Romanians/Georgians/ISIS rejects, US SF/advisors and whatever poor Ukrainian men they can snatch off the streets, provide very basic training and then throw into the meatgrinder, buoyed by Western Cold War cast offs that have been neutered so as to not reach Russia lest we get into WW3 for reals.

Ukraine is mostly steppe, a flat plain; all roads/rail lead to Kiev from Bakhmut and once the defensive lines at Bakhmut break, the AFU has to erect them further up, then they will collapse again and so on until its clear all the way to Kiev.
 
Somewhat off-topicish, but the US is really going to be hurting if it doesn't start developing some of these smaller cheaper drones like what either side is using next time it has a conventional war.
That, and maybe re-thinking complete reliance on these hyper-expensive SAMs and "multirole" aircraft. I've been saying for years that the US military giving up a proper SPAAG is one of the worst ideas it has ever come up with.

I'm willing to bet all the Americans in Ukraine really wish they had a few M163s right now. 20mm Vulcan with radar and computerized fire control in the body of an APC would be very helpful against these little kamikaze drones the Russians are using.
 
I love how this thread has permanently become 1-dumb-Ukie-bait post followed by 20 quotes of it for every page. Before the Keffals downtime, every highlight was breakdowns of the actual territory that's changed hands, recent videos from the front lines, analyses of the technology used by both sides, etc. I can't even remember the last drone or bodycam video I saw in this thread now.

Jannies should really return the thread to the former setup -- @mindlessobserver / @teriyakiburns etc. are banished back to posting their spam in A&N, and keep the thread focused on informative updates/analyses rather than endless sperging. Thread's a useless dumpster fire as it is right now. Here's some drone vids for a change.
How fucking fragile are you and everyone that supports the separation of the two threads which are THE SAME THING, one pro-Ukraine and another pro-Russia.
It's really pathetic that instead of suspending users that cannot behave in a shared thread, we have separation of people and ideas like this. We should have a common thread with moderation instead of two threads with spergery.
Also nobody gives a shit about your "we lost 2 houses and 3 cows" analysis crap, nor about the trillionth grenade dropped on top of sleeping or wounded soldiers, and the tank turrets sent flying stopped being entertaining after the 3rd or so.
We should instead burn with the hot iron into everyone's mind that each and every of those videos, a mother or wife or sister will have to mourn some bloody mass of organs that was once a human like you.
No I don't care you're sociopathic enough to not care. You should be fixed, preferably in the psychiatric ward.
 
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We should instead burn with the hot iron into everyone's mind that each and every of those videos, a mother or wife or sister will have to mourn some bloody mass of organs that was once a human like you.
They are not human like me, I'm better. And Ukranian women are used to loss, they may shed a tear then move on.
 
That, and maybe re-thinking complete reliance on these hyper-expensive SAMs and "multirole" aircraft. I've been saying for years that the US military giving up a proper SPAAG is one of the worst ideas it has ever come up with.

I'm willing to bet all the Americans in Ukraine really wish they had a few M163s right now. 20mm Vulcan with radar and computerized fire control in the body of an APC would be very helpful against these little kamikaze drones the Russians are using.
Well I'd say yes and no about the 20mm Vulcan. I think there's going to be a new drone doctrine which comes about with this, and weapons like the 20mm will be the best counter of currently available tech, but I think it will come up short if you start seeing these drones used to their full potential. So this is something I've thought for years about drones, both kamikaze drones and with more conventional air to surface missile type drones (really just A type aircraft without pilots). The biggest advantage of a drone over a piloted aircraft is the lack of a pilot. The lack of the pilot means that when one is lost, your only actual loses are material. This means, the more you minimize that material loss, the more meaningless the loss of said drone becomes for your forces. With that in mind, the most practical way to use drones is as aerial cannon fodder.

With this in mind here's the doctrine I'd propose for using the cannon fodder approach to drones.

At standard attack would be in 3 waves, with additional waves added on METT-tC dependent.

Wave 1: Most inexperienced drone operators, and most expendable drones in the fleet. The drone operators would be instructed to attack a list of secondary targets which would be nice to kill, but not mission critical. This wave would draw all AA fire and cause them to expose their positions for the next wave.

Wave 2: Most experienced drone operators fitted with the best load out for killing any AA on the ground. Their orders would be to strike any AA which should now have exposed itself, and then standby to assist with Wave 3

Wave 3: These would be fitted with the mission appropriate load out to take out primary targets now that AA has been scrubbed from the area or has wasted much of is ordinance on waves 1&2. They would kill all primary targets and then switch over to moping up any other targets with the remainder of waves 1 and 2.

There would be a wave commander in each wave to handle the details and an over all commander who would be given the authority to make decisions like for example "AA discovered by Wave 1 was too intense, moving to abort mission," or "all targets destroyed, moving all waves to seek and destroy until bellow fuel needed to return," or even a decision like "more high value targets found than expected and we have ordinance for. Ordering kamikaze strikes on remaining high value targets."

I think this really maximizes the potential of drones if uses in conjunction with drones that are built for mass production. Of course this doctrine doesn't restrict them from CAS or recon roles it just sets a versatile attack pattern for these drones. There's also some obvious psychological impacts to this. Because of this wave structure, you're basically making any AA role a suicide mission for the defenders since they will be targeted and most likely wont have a way of fighting back after having engaged.
 
Somewhat off-topicish, but the US is really going to be hurting if it doesn't start developing some of these smaller cheaper drones like what either side is using next time it has a conventional war.
They have been but they don't post war footage and don't use them to drop nades. The US is well beyond everyone else when it comes to drones.
How fucking fragile are you and everyone that supports the separation of the two threads which are THE SAME THING, one pro-Ukraine and another pro-Russia.
It's really pathetic that instead of suspending users that cannot behave in a shared thread, we have separation of people and ideas like this. We should have a common thread with moderation instead of two threads with spergery.
Also nobody gives a shit about your "we lost 2 houses and 3 cows" analysis crap, nor about the trillionth grenade dropped on top of sleeping or wounded soldiers, and the tank turrets sent flying stopped being entertaining after the 3rd or so.
We should instead burn with the hot iron into everyone's mind that each and every of those videos, a mother or wife or sister will have to mourn some bloody mass of organs that was once a human like you.
No I don't care you're sociopathic enough to not care. You should be fixed, preferably in the psychiatric ward.
The A&N thread is in A&N. It is exceptional in that it's just the pro-Ukrainian version of this thread but its intent was to consolidate relevant articles and the discussion of those articles.
The Happenings thread is in Happenings. It's for discussing the Russian Invasion of Ukraine which is how it's used most of the time with some shitflinging throughout.

The divide in posters between roughly pro-Ukrainian and pro-Russian (used very loosely) is because most pro-Ukie posters set up camp in the A&N thread early on because it's the only place people don't reliably shit on Ukraine. Also the only thread in A&N where people trust journalists.
 
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I'm willing to bet all the Americans in Ukraine really wish they had a few M163s right now. 20mm Vulcan with radar and computerized fire control in the body of an APC would be very helpful against these little kamikaze drones the Russians are using.
May I suggest the unholy fusion of the Otomatic's 76mm with a Stryker/Humvee body, a revolver styled clip loading magazine and the Crotale radar system?
 
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They have been but they don't post war footage and don't use them to drop nades. The US is well beyond everyone else when it comes to drones.

The A&N thread is in A&N. It is exceptional in that it's just the pro-Ukrainian version of this thread but its intent was to consolidate relevant articles and the discussion of those articles.
The Happenings thread is in Happenings. It's for discussing the Russian Invasion of Ukraine which is how it's used most of the time with some shitflinging throughout.

The divide in posters between roughly pro-Ukrainian and pro-Russian (used very loosely) is because most pro-Ukie posters set up camp in the A&N thread early on because it's the only place people don't reliably shit on Ukraine. Also the only thread in A&N where people trust journalists.
Should keep A&N for posting news, and here for discussion. That's it.
 
It is evident to any informed observer that NATOkraine expects Bakhmut to fall. This explains the recent fusillade of stories in outlets such as NYT and WaPo that "Bakhmut is strategically worthless yet psychologically important to Russia." This is prefabricated cope for the NPCs so that they can continue to believe the Ukraine is winning even as Russia makes key strategic gains.
 
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It is evident to any informed observer that NATOkraine expects Bakhmut to fall. This explains the recent fusillade of stories in outlets such as NYT and WaPo that "Bakhmut is strategically worthless yet psychologically important to Russia." This is prefabricated cope for the NPCs.
Don't forget Pyrrhic victory as well. Expecting that to be the next thing parroted by mindlessidiot over there. This will be followed by 'WELL WE DIDN'T WANT BAKHMUT SO BLEUGH!!!!''
 
They have been but they don't post war footage and don't use them to drop nades. The US is well beyond everyone else when it comes to drones.

The A&N thread is in A&N. It is exceptional in that it's just the pro-Ukrainian version of this thread but its intent was to consolidate relevant articles and the discussion of those articles.
The Happenings thread is in Happenings. It's for discussing the Russian Invasion of Ukraine which is how it's used most of the time with some shitflinging throughout.

The divide in posters between roughly pro-Ukrainian and pro-Russian (used very loosely) is because most pro-Ukie posters set up camp in the A&N thread early on because it's the only place people don't reliably shit on Ukraine. Also the only thread in A&N where people trust journalists.
>They have been but they don't post war footage and don't use them to drop nades. The US is well beyond everyone else when it comes to drones.
No, even the cartels are way ahead of the US when it comes to drones. Most US drones cost tens of millions of dollars a piece like the predator UAV and the low end drones are basically shit like this, which have no real use outside of "recon," which most of them aren't even any good at this since they sound like flying lawnmowers.
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Also I'd be willing to bet, even these meme drones cost at least 500k a pop, and can only do recon... which is something you can do as your average hobbyist who can afford a civilian drone.
 
Russia is likely to succeed in fully integrating the Donbas into the Russian Federation because of a variety of reasons. Russia has made strategic investments in strengthening its physical presence, infrastructure and political ties at the rebel-controlled Donetsk and Luhansk regions through forming a military alliance agreement with them. Russia has recognized passports and other documents issued by these breakaway states, granting further social benefits to their citizens.

In addition, Moscow has also implemented an effective propaganda campaign aimed at convincing local people of the superiority of a unified Russia over other countries. Moreover, it recently gave exclusive control to rule over Donbass to local governance bodies that are loyal to Moscow, between which agreements on movement restrictions and taxes have been reached so as to restrict access from other countries seeking influence on the region.

Finally, Russian troops continue to be deployed in large numbers along the conflict zone, backed up by well-equipped military forces and high defensive capabilities, making any attempts by outside forces to intervene or influence difficult. These combined efforts indicate that Russia is indeed likely to succeed in integrating Donbas into her fold completely.

Putin has proven adept at using military force to change the terms of engagement in conflicts which were previously seen as intractable. His ability to project strength and capitalize on opportunities where others have failed have been critical elements in achieving his strategic goals thus far. Moreover, he has been able to leverage cooperation from other states when pursuing his aims while avoiding direct confrontation with more powerful opponents such as the United States or NATO forces.

Overall, it seems that while success is never guaranteed with any foreign policy goal - Vladimir Putin’s Special Military Occupation seems likely to generate a degree of success relative to its ambitions if pursued carefully and efficiently.
 
Well I'd say yes and no about the 20mm Vulcan. I think there's going to be a new drone doctrine which comes about with this, and weapons like the 20mm will be the best counter of currently available tech, but I think it will come up short if you start seeing these drones used to their full potential. So this is something I've thought for years about drones, both kamikaze drones and with more conventional air to surface missile type drones (really just A type aircraft without pilots). The biggest advantage of a drone over a piloted aircraft is the lack of a pilot. The lack of the pilot means that when one is lost, your only actual loses are material. This means, the more you minimize that material loss, the more meaningless the loss of said drone becomes for your forces. With that in mind, the most practical way to use drones is as aerial cannon fodder.

I'm going to tl;dr this.
Until you start getting truly autonomous drones, and they're about 60% of the way there with stuff like the Switchblade, the US counter for the low-flying grenade droppers both sides have been using is to basically sweep the radiowaves and microwave pulse the frequency frying the coms equipment, or lay down so much interference operations are impossible. They also have fun systems that can crack the flight control's encryption. These are super secret squirrel systems because they don't want any slick operators to have a jump start on countering them. So they aren't getting sent to Ukraine for the obvious reason (slavs).

Drones like the Reaper are (semi) immune from this - they are getting their controls from space, not the ground, and flying high. You could still microwave their comsuite, but the radios are up top so the whole drone body is an insultator, and then you have signal attenuation. tl;dr: You'd need to sight in the drone and used a focused microwave beam.
OTOH, Reapers are thus flying high and easier for traditional AA to detect and engage.

Soledar is such a massive shitfest when it comes to the infospace I'm taking anything and everything with a massive grain of salt.

Yesterday a lot of the Pro-Russian sources that are pretty accurate and worth looking through were saying Soledar has completely fallen, then it became the central area of Soledar, and now it seems central Soledar wasn't actually captured and is instead no man's land and a Ukrainian counterattack may or may not have been the cause of that.
yeah, I can't believe that Vatniks and Yookniks both are rushing to claim victory. We'll see who's there next week.

also
> Pro-Russian
>Accurate
KEK.


>unless they are killing 10 for every ukrainian lost, the attrition numbers aren't on their side.
lol I'm going to go out on a limb and say the "K/D ratio" is probably pretty close on both sides. Ultimately, Ukraine refuses to even so much as hint at their loses, and are now trying to conscript people who've fled the country with the help of the countries they're in. Just by pure brutally honest war math, the casualty ratios are likely increasingly favoring the Russians. This is because the Ukrainian force composition should be steadily declining in overall training quality since you're introducing more and more untrained, or minimally trained conscripts into the fighting pool whereas Russians are mostly replacing loses with at least semi trained reserves, and what sounds like a "back door draft" similar to what the US did during the Afghan surge.

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To evidence what I said about just attacking to inflict casualties, I'd argue that Wagner being the ones to carry out the attack was not coincidental.

I need to self correct: I was confusing Russian with USSR population counts; the pre-invasion numbers are 40 million vs 145 million, ukraine is winning attriation at 4 to 1. Russia also can't full commit, so just pulling number out of my ass we'll say they can only commit half their numbers. so maybe 2 to 1.
This is also making a bunch of (incorrect but maybe not incorrect enough to matter) assumptions about similar demographics and discounts the Donbros, so probably take the 4 to 1 to 5 to 1.

Wagner supposedly gets a bonus if they take Bakhmut which sounds about as plausible as anything.

Bakhmut is being made overly important; I think the Gettysburg comparison is apt - just like Gettysburg was on the way to New York, Bahkmut itself doesn't have any great strategic importance its just on the way to somewhere. The primary draw of focus is there are enemy forces there you can fight. Russia has a brigade near by, so Ukraine needs to position two incase they break through the lines. Ukraine as two so Russia needs to station three incase Ukraine counter-attacks ....on and on. It definitely is not strategically important enough to justify the loss of life & equipment - this applies to both sides but more so for Russia being they could stop attacking and focus somewhere else. Ukraine both doesn't want to cede territory to Russia and doesn't want to have to try to retake it being there isn't any great positions to attack it from the west. I'd think Russia would be more wanting to push Ukraine further back from their major rail hub in the north, but whatever. Slavs gonna Slav.

tl;dr: They are fighting for Bakhmut because the other side has troops in Bakhmut. If the russians are shelling Bakhmut, they aren't shelling a place that moderately intact.

Ukraine is wisely taking the opportunity to deplete Russian forces before the impending Russia invasion denazification of Odessa.

The Ukrainian Draft Push does not say what you think it says.
Populations before invasion:
Ukraine - 40 million
Russia - 150 million

LOL FUCKING HOHOLS IMPLEMENTING A DRAFT HOW HARD CAN THEY BE GETTING OWNED LOL WHY WOULD A COUNTRY FOUR TIMES SMALLER THAN THE ONE INVADING IT NEED TO DO A DRAFT FUCKING LOL
anyway here's how the russian mobilization was completely based and why shrink wrapping trees because they have no tents triggers the left.

Worse for Russia, they are charging across the open under the guns with no cover.
No cover AND ground too hard to dig fighting positions.

(they have some cover and taking the area gives them cover for the swing south to Bakhmut)

People will be writing about this battle for centuries.
Pressing X on this one. I don't think Bakhmut will matter in two years.
There's no slick tactics, just a meat grinder.
If this is mentioned at all, it'll only be as a footnote in papers about early drone warfare.

I love how this thread has permanently become 1-dumb-Ukie-bait post followed by 20 quotes of it for every page. Before the Keffals downtime, every highlight was breakdowns of the actual territory that's changed hands, recent videos from the front lines, analyses of the technology used by both sides, etc. I can't even remember the last drone or bodycam video I saw in this thread now.
There hasn't been any yuge changes in the front lines. So this there isn't anything big to talk about there.

Not everyone cares to see slight variations of the same war porn set to eurodance beats. Both sides are still using about the same kit so its really hard to tell who is killing who (deep.txt) and for all the casual observer can tell from infrared we're watching Russian friendly comrade fire incidents. They promise me that's a Russian T-72 doing the pringles impersonation, but who the fuck knows.

Also most of the footage has no date stamps, so it could be from last week or last year; a few pages back the Vatniks were outted as reposting Airsoft LARPers gear spreads as a dead & looked burger merc.

Maybe just start a "Jerk off to war porn" thread if you only care about seeing contextless drone footage.

we don't let grunts make decisions on the ground
Who let your civie ass out of the kitchen?
 
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>the US counter for the low-flying grenade droppers both sides have been using is to basically sweep the radiowaves and microwave pulse the frequency frying the coms equipment, or lay down so much interference operations are impossible.
...you're talking about things like the CREW my nigger. That shit didn't even work that good with Akmed's cellphone unless you were pretty much standing next to him (no shit did test this personally). Also that shit WILL NEVER be used against a country with any degree of modern technology for a very simple reason. RF jamming works on the principle that if you "match" (massive oversimplification but I'm going to bed here in a bit) another frequency you can jam it. Here's the problem with that. When you're doing this, you are emitting an RF signal and one that is very easy to pinpoint and identify. You're also doing this on a constant basis which makes your signal very distinct. You're essentially telling every single receiver in range of you your precise location.

Also there's ways to beat that shit anyway. There are some EM spectrums you simply can't jam, and I mean you can't jam them because doing so would violate the laws of physics. Granted these have a whole host of their own limitations, but not so much that they would prevent them from being used.
 
...you're talking about things like the CREW my nigger. That shit didn't even work that good with Akmed's cellphone unless you were pretty much standing next to him (no shit did test this personally). Also that shit WILL NEVER be used against a country with any degree of modern technology for a very simple reason. RF jamming works on the principle that if you "match" (massive oversimplification but I'm going to bed here in a bit) another frequency you can jam it. Here's the problem with that. When you're doing this, you are emitting an RF signal and one that is very easy to pinpoint and identify. You're also doing this on a constant basis which makes your signal very distinct. You're essentially telling every single receiver in range of you your precise location.

Also there's ways to beat that shit anyway. There are some EM spectrums you simply can't jam, and I mean you can't jam them because doing so would violate the laws of physics. Granted these have a whole host of their own limitations, but not so much that they would prevent them from being used.

That's different. CREW worked, but the juice wasn't worth the squeeze.
Firstly, it was easily defeated by a spool of wire. Second, the cellphone trigger was rarely used as the detonator itself - the cellphone would usually just activate the actual pressure or proximity sensor that would set off the IED - usually when it was still out of the range of CREW. And Third, the amount of EF, if cranked too high, would interfer with other systems.

The evolution of CREW, the Duke, was hoping for more intelligent jamming.

Additionally, IEDs had more robust commsuites than these smaller drones. An IED would be triggered from a Nokia 1100, which you fish out the wreckage and reuse that is a joke you fucking spergs drones need to save weight and power, while taking over longer distances to a less powerful transmitter. They are much easier to cook than a cellphone.

And please, tell me what EM spectrums that would be viable for drone control physics says you can't jam.
 
Ghostse said:
Who let your civie ass out of the kitchen?
General, remind this disgrace of a grunt who has control of the US military-oh, that's right, civilians, ie the US government. Put him to work cleaning the kitchens at Guantanamo to remind him who pays his wages. That would me, make sure he knows it.

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See if you can bust him down to private while your at it. Give me an update after I come back from getting my nails done.
 
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