Inactive Chelsea Lawrence / TanzChelsea - Munchie kicked out of two hospitals, home care and multiple treatment teams; Flagged and blacklisted by EPIC; Munched Herself to Death

They don't do that to alert patients. If you're having a conversation with them they won't just start rubbing your sternum. This tard is like oh no I was unresponsive enough to warrent a sternum rub but responsive enough to remember it happening. They'll usually start slow and escalate until they get a response. So if you're faking being unresponsive then yeah they'll inflict pain on you to figure out how unresponsive you are. Some people might be unresponsive enough that a trap squeeze won't do anything but a sternum rub will. If you react to the trap squeeze then they won't continue to a sternum rub. So some how she was alert enough to feel the trap squeeze and remember it happening but obviously didn't react to it so they went for the sternum rub which she also remembers. If you want it to stop then groan when they do it. But if you're faking and trying not to react then they'll keep trying with more painful stimuli
 
When she someone comes in with a seizure and its beleived to be fake EMTs and doctors will do certain thiings to check. There are certain pain stimuli that cannot be ignored, but people during a seizure are not going to stop their seizure due to them, fakers will. She makes reference to these pain tests and equates them to being beat up. These same things are done to check mental awareness in people who appear unresponsive another thing she likes to pretend to do.

These are examples of things done to attempt to ellicit a pain response:
  1. Sternal rub is one of the primary methods used by EMS for applying a painful stimulus. This technique is performed by rubbing the knuckles of a closed fist firmly and vigorously on the patient's sternum.
  2. The trapezius pinch is applied by grasping approximately two inches of the trapezius muscle at the base of the neck between your thumb and index finger. Simultaneously twist and squeeze the muscle firmly and watch the patient's face for a grimace, eye-opening or some other response.
  3. To apply supraorbital pressure, it is necessary to locate the bony ridge along the superior border of the orbit that contains the eyeball. Pain and severe discomfort are achieved by applying a straight upward pressure with the tip of the thumb to the midline of the supraorbital bony ridge. Be sure your thumb is on the bony ridge and no pressure is being applied to the eyeball, which can damage the globe or promote a vagal response.
Onto the recap:
  • This video was to explain why she films inside an ambulance.
  • EMTs have ""beaten the shit out of her" in the past.
    • She complains that instead of using a neck collar and backboard to put her on a gurney.
      • Which they would have no reason to since she did not get in any situation which would affect her cervical spine.
    • Instead they used the sheet she was on and transfered her with it to the gurney.
      • Once again this is standard way to transfer someone who WON'T or cannot move themselves from a bed to a gurney.
    • They then took her into the cold in the clothes she was in without a blanket.
      • Wait...She just said they had her in a blanket.
    • She says they were saying very dirty things about her seizures.
      • The exact thing she states they said was "What 30 year old suddenly starts having seizures?" A valid question.
        • Followed by "Stop your shit. Your fucking faking it." Which is still valid. It is ususally VERY obvious when someone is faking a seizure.
    • She suddenly now has neuropathy as well and her and her mom told them don't touch that leg its bad for neuropathy.
      • So they did just that for the pain/awareness test.
    • She states that she knows she should do a sternum rub but instead she beat on her chest multiple times. As well as jamming her long nails into her cuticles. And bent her fingers back.
    • She stabbed her with some unknown medicine and slashed it around inside going:
      • "Yea that is what she wanted."
  • She blathers on that her first SPS attack is when this happened. That this attack also caused her cerivical instability.
    • After this she could no longer get to the bathroom or raise her head anymore.
Hi, powerleveling time, Emergency Medicine dude here.

Chelsea is full of absolute shit and everything the EMT’s did was 100% protocol.
When patient’s fake it, we have every right to call you out and question you, and we will sternum rub you if your not responding.
No EMT said “Quit your fucking…” anything to this whiney, drug addicted faggot; that would be grounds for disciplinary action.

Everything @GenociderSyo said is correct.


Fuck you, Chelsea. Anyone who treats you could file an Abuse of EMS report and have you made a felon. But they’re nice and play along with your delusions.

Absolute waste of air.
 
I don't know what kind of seizure it was, but I once saw a guy in town jerking violently. It was on concrete slabs next to a marble bench and the sight of a fully grown adult man trying to prevent him from dashing his own brains out, unable to ring an ambulance himself due to the efforts involved, was fucking terrifying. I felt powerless to help either of them (someone else was ringing for help pretty swiftly) It made me think of the munchies thread and how offensive these faking bitches are.

First responders must see cases where someone hasn't been able to prevent injury to the patient. Seeing someone LARP like this, whilst in the knowledge that the time spent there they could be helping someone else in a genuine emergency, must be infuriating as fuck. It must take hella professionalism and restraint to *not* snap and beat the fuck out of them tbh.

*The guy I saw in town was put onto his side with a coat to try and cushion his head from what I could tell. Ambulance arrived swiftly. Hoping he ended up ok. The guys who helped him deserve a pint for stepping up so effectively.
 
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Always find it amazing that in mid attack she can still use her phone to record..Wonder why these EMTs think shes faking...
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The guy I saw in town was put onto his side with a coat to try and cushion his head from what I could tell.
Pretty much all you need to do!
Make sure they're safe from injury, call for help. Seizures that last less than 5min are usually fine (in a person with a known seizure disorder), but if it's a stranger you have no idea about just call for help because seizures can be caused by all sorts of issues.

Never put anything in the person's mouth. It's very common for people to bite their tongue, but it's usually fine and safer than them choking on a shoe or whatever else someone shoves in their mouth.

They'll wake up groggy and confused, so just reassure them until help arrives.

edit: when I was very junior I had a patient with new seizures that turned out to be psychogenic (pseudoseizures), and those people really do look and act like a "real" seizure, but the learning point for me was that he had no post ictal period. He would not respond to painful stimuli during a seizure, but when it ended was immediately awake and quite distressed.

The brain is a very funny thing.
 
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What a lying moron. No organization could or would discuss personnel matters with someone who said they were abused. That would just open them up to a lawsuit. Not to mention there are laws to protect an employee's internal records from being openly discussed. She is a really bad liar.

Also, she is an idiot if she is in a 2-party state and is willfully recording. It is a criminal offense in most 2-party states to record someone without their consent, not to mention the civil consequences. She likely just willfully and intentionally admitted to the whole world that she frequently commits legal offenses against emergency and medical providers. I have no doubt that will help her.
 
Not to mention-somebody is seizing and/or in a stiff attack and you can still turn the camera and/or audio on your phone? And remember to hide it if you think an encounter is gonna go bad? A person in agony thinks to do that? Especially if it’s first time and no diagnosis yet?

Nah dude. When my relative was having a seizure I could hardly call 911 myself. He was incapable, and I was scared shitless. (A 25 minutes status seizure, I might add-he’s fine now)

How many ambulance rides does she’s take anyway? Does nobody have a car? Whe even call an ambulance for not immediate life-threatening things?

(Never mind, I know.)
 
Get this con artist declared a vexatious patient, nigga.

But really, I wish that were possible. The system is so fucked allowing these frauds to abuse health care. We as HCPs aren't even allowed to discuss malingering or consider it in their care. We just have to keep admitting these losers every time and letting them stay practically as long as they want.
 
Get this con artist declared a vexatious patient, nigga.

But really, I wish that were possible. The system is so fucked allowing these frauds to abuse health care. We as HCPs aren't even allowed to discuss malingering or consider it in their care. We just have to keep admitting these losers every time and letting them stay practically as long as they want.
She actually has been deemed this it seems she is blacklisted in the main system for malingering or is simply listed as a pain med seeker.
 
She actually has been deemed this it seems she is blacklisted in the main system for malingering or is simply listed as a pain med seeker.
She's been listed as a pain seeker. You can't be listed as a malingerer and barred from health care, sadly. She just triggers an alert when she shows up in the ED.
 
I think it's so fucking funny when people like Chelton act smug about their mistrust for healthcare providers, openly bragging about her "secret" tricks to record caregivers, as if she's the first person to think of this & every EMT and nurse was born yesterday. "How would they know" because the people who have to deal with your bullshit are smarter than you!! That's how you got to this point!
 
Get this con artist declared a vexatious patient, nigga.

But really, I wish that were possible. The system is so fucked allowing these frauds to abuse health care. We as HCPs aren't even allowed to discuss malingering or consider it in their care. We just have to keep admitting these losers every time and letting them stay practically as long as they want.
Sadly, even a faker can get a real illness. Probably why HCPs have to at least start the diagnostic process.

But that’s what makes it evil for all the others who actually are sick and just have to wait a bit longer…
 
Just pondering - if they pegged her as a drug seeker only, why would they take her hickman and feeding tube and cut her off from all services? I think it seems more like she was actually flagged as malingering.
A Hickman port would be taken away from a drug seeker because the likelihood that they would use said port to inject illegal drugs or illegally gotten prescriptions is very high. Any kind of central line in a patient who isn't in supervised in-patient care (or like full time chemo or something) is looked at as suspect by medical providers because it's a super easy way to take IV meds without blowing up your veins and ending up with track marks. If she got pegged as nothing more than a drug seeker that'd be one of the first things they'd want to take away from her so she can't abuse it.
 
Just pondering - if they pegged her as a drug seeker only, why would they take her hickman and feeding tube and cut her off from all services? I think it seems more like she was actually flagged as malingering.
It's almost unheard of to discharge an IV narcotic-abusing patient with a central line. There are policies forbidding it. Is there documented evidence that she's "cut off from services" or is that her exaggerated description of having her lines d/c'd?
 
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