Manosphere Andrew Tate / Top G / Cobratate - Egotistical MRA "influencer", arrested for trafficking in Romania, lied about having lung cancer

[ABE LINN COHN]

So do you guys think he'll stay silent or will he Andrew Cooperate?
sorry that's stretching it a bit

 

[CAPTAIN HAPPY]

So do you guys think he'll stay silent or will he Andrew Cooperate?
sorry that's stretching it a bit

I don't think there'll be any Andrew Statement.
If he'll snitch, the mob will surely Andrew Exterminate him.

 

[Oxyjen]

So do you guys think he'll stay silent or will he Andrew Cooperate?

I think he will Andrew Facilitate such a discussion.

 

[The News Crews]

Heres is one of his former camgirls speaking out

I don't like Tate, but seeing all these women coming out to defend him, even when they have no financial motive makes me question the legitimacy of these accusations. Still doesn't explain why he made those videos admitting to crimes like a fucking retard.

 

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I get the feeling Tate exaggerated his wealth, but not he antics being a sex pest.

I almost 100% sure he did. He has a massive ego, but he also has a lot of contempt for the average/normal person. So I am not sure how much it really feeds him that they believe in it. I think this is a cash grab.

When you think about it, the only thing he was really good at was Kick Boxing, and now he is too old for that. I am assuming he did not retire with much, because there is not that much money in this sport.

Then, when you consider camming and what they were bragging about. I am sure it's good money, but it is not fuck you money. Like maybe once or twice a year, you run into a sucker you can skin for 50/100K, otherwise it's probably just some dude who spends a few dollars until he nuts and goes. That's the bulk of it.

Then you need to split revenue with your model, but also with the fucking site. I am guessing the cut of the site 30% already. I'd be shocked if it was less, and I'd be even more shocked if he had his own platform and processed payment himself. Then you need to pay taxes.

Let's be generous and assume that Andrew had 10 girls 8 hours a day for 1 year.

• Each girl binks a high value target and is credited with a hundred K
• Then we give them the average cam girl hourly from this random website of $58.77.
• That's an additional $171 608
• These 10 girls earned $2 716 084/yr
• Which becomes $1 901 258.8 after the platform takes its cut
• Which, assuming a generous 70/30 cut means $1 330 881.16 for Andrew

Now, it's time to pay for the rent, and for the taxes. This also does not take into account customer acquisition efforts. Because given how in tune he is with social medias, you just know he was spending some type of money to advertise.

I don't want to spend some time going over the Romanian tax system, but there won't be more than $1M left. Probably much less than that.

All this to say. I fully believe he has money, but not fuck you money. I would bet he is leveraged as fuck, because that's what egomaniacs do.

 

[Ponzo]

I don't like Tate, but seeing all these women coming out to defend him, even when they have no financial motive makes me question the legitimacy of these accusations. Still doesn't explain why he made those videos admitting to crimes like a fucking retard.

If you look at early Tate as the "chad" version of Athene and Reese it makes a lot more sense. Athene used to do the exact same "shtick" of being overly arrogant, self absorbed with outrageous statements but instead of pandering as a successful progamer that gets chicks, Tate pandered being rich and successful getting chicks.

here is an old video of athene "powerleveling his bitch" that reminds me of 2019 Tate

Tate in 2022/23 is a lot like a bootleg version of Morpheus from the Matrix with inspirational videos and quotes and less "over the top" acting like he used to do to get famous.

 

[CAPTAIN HAPPY]

I don't like Tate, but seeing all these women coming out to defend him, even when they have no financial motive makes me question the legitimacy of these accusations. Still doesn't explain why he made those videos admitting to crimes like a fucking retard.

You have to be retarded to believe the legitimacy of women who defend Tate by saying "he respects wamen" all the while his whole shtick is being a camwhore pimp.

 

[JaneThough]

You have to be retarded to believe the legitimacy of women who defend Tate by saying "he respects wamen" all the while his whole shtick is being a camwhore pimp.

Also, where are "all these" women? I've seen two. And the women who would speak against him likely cannot as there's an open investigation. Just wait til this goes to trial.

 

[Lemmingwiser]

When you think about it, the only thing he was really good at was Kick Boxing, and now he is too old for that. I am assuming he did not retire with much, because there is not that much money in this sport.

Then, when you consider camming and what they were bragging about. I am sure it's good money, but it is not fuck you money. Like maybe once or twice a year, you run into a sucker you can skin for 50/100K, otherwise it's probably just some dude who spends a few dollars until he nuts and goes. That's the bulk of it.

Your numbers and assumptions are off. You're going by average cam girl, but much there is a lot of difference in earning potential and the low earnings is typically unmanaged girls that talk about their cats (the ones that don't sell a dream).

His one discord server was making him about 5 million a month. The other one was harder to calculate, but possibly close. He owns casinos (their lack of profit during covid lockdown is why he built the discord get rich quick scheme).

I'm sure he inflates his perceived wealth like he does with everything else, but it's also possible to undersell it.

The idea that he was only good at kickboxing is kinda dumb. They don't call him top grifter for nothing. Getting people to spend $5000 dollars to be let into a discord server "secret society" is pretty good marketing of an almost worthless product.

 

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His one discord server was making him about 5 million a month. He owns casinos (their lack of profit during covid lockdown is why he built the discord get rich quick scheme).

This is what I mean when I say he is over leveraged. You don't know how he owns them, and you don't know how liquid he really is.

It is extremely likely that he borrowed a lot of money, because as long as you are making a lot of money, it's the best way to handle your finances. You can just use your assets to guarantee your loans, knowing that you make enough money that is never going to be a problem as long as you diversify. You can then use these very assets to guarantee other loans.

The numbers you give from the $5M come from him. But they are also gross revenue. He remunerates people on a pyramidal level, this is already an expense. I have no idea what the split is, but I am sure it's not too far from 70/30.

Even if true, this also does not account for the other expenses he has to produce this content, maintain, engage, analyse and administer his community and company. That's a whole fucking team in multiple departments that you need here so it can just run smoothly.

Even assuming he did make a $5M month, there was a very significant growth before that. He was not making 5M every month for years.

He could very well be very rich, but I very much doubt so.

Which casinos does he own btw? There has been a lot of presence from casinos online recently, even for table games, so I am surprised he never tried to go digital with it. If you own a license, there is no reason not to. You don't even need to build the software, you can just buy a sublicense to an existing software, make your own skin and push it.

Nothing else to do. Pure marketing.

 

[The News Crews]

You have to be retarded to believe the legitimacy of women who defend Tate by saying "he respects wamen" all the while his whole shtick is being a camwhore pimp.

I still think he's guilty, but the schizo in me always looks for some kind of conspiracy

And the women who would speak against him likely cannot as there's an open investigation. Just wait til this goes to trial.

this is also a really good point

 

[Ashkenazi Porn Actress]

Austria blocks Schengen accession of Romania and Bulgaria

Austria has indeed blocked Schengen accession of Romania and Bulgaria over a combination of concerns including a) human trafficking, b) corruption and c) rapefugees.

 

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Austria blocks Schengen accession of Romania and Bulgaria
and c) rapefugees.

It's so much easier to say the truth when they are white and Christian is it not?

 

[Lemmingwiser]

This is what I mean when I say he is over leveraged. You don't know how he owns them, and you don't know how liquid he really is.

It is extremely likely that he borrowed a lot of money, because as long as you are making a lot of money, it's the best way to handle your finances. .

Even assuming he did make a $5M month, there was a very significant growth before that. He was not making 5M every month for years.

You make some good points. I agree that it's likely he's over leveraged. I hadn't considered him having plenty of loans, but it's quite possible and even likely.

The 5 million doesn't come from him. It comes from adversarial/neutral youtube vids that comment on the program by signing up and examining it and multiplying the amount of subscribers by cost. I suppose botting is a possibility, but I think someone might have noticed. I don't think he ever mentioned how much he makes on this. His line always seemed to be "I don't so this to make money, I need more high net worth individuals around me".

It's also not pyramid structured marketing, but affiliate marketing. So anyone that uses an affiliate link and gets a signup receives half of the first month subscription and nothing in the future. This means that the only overhead is the handful of feckless teachers and some administration.

And yes, this was rapid growth and also lasted only briefly, as part of his cancelling was also the discord removal and some kind of relaunch. I haven't caught up, but I'm sure it's cratered the numbers.

 

[Lemmingwiser]

Which casinos does he own btw?

Lmao, I thought I'd look it up. Looks like his "casino's" look like this:

 

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The 5 million doesn't come from him. It comes from adversarial/neutral YouTube vids that comment on the program by signing up and examining it and multiplying the amount of subscribers by cost. I suppose botting is a possibility, but I think someone might have noticed. I don't think he ever mentioned how much he makes on this. His line always seemed to be "I don't so this to make money, I need more high net worth individuals around me".

It would be interesting to look at how the money is being processed and would lead to much more accurate ballpark numbers imo.

If the money is processed through crypto, it will take work, but an autist like Coffeezilla will dive into it and figure it out.

If the money is being processed any other way, it will be very interesting to see what kind of payment processor took this on.

There are not this many payment processors when you want to accept international currency, and they are often very annoying. Depending on which party is processing the payment, it could be an indicator of minimum monthly volumes (because they do have minimums), as well processing fees, which can go quite high.

If it's a third party, well fuck. But that's like a 15/20% commission on top, so no way he is this retarded.

I personally don't trust something as easy to manipulate as discord accounts.

It's also not pyramid structured marketing, but affiliate marketing. So anyone that uses an affiliate link and gets a signup receives half of the first month subscription and nothing in the future. This means that the only overhead is the handful of feckless teachers and some administration.

I'll be honest, I am really not super familiar with the inner working of Tate's scheme. More with others in the same space however. I made an assumption that there was some form of pyramidal structure to it, and I still believe that there must be at some level. Because it's a very cost efficient and profitable way to build something like this.

Like the War Room, or whatever the upgrade is called. It's hard to push a scam like this by yourself, and if you can be everywhere at the same time without doing anything and reaching people you would not have reached otherwise, it's a win win.

If anything, the university itself is probably a Ponzy. It mostly teaches nothing more than how to become a freelancer for Tate, which is basically the 5ver version of a pyramidal model. I get your point, if it is the case, it technically is affiliate marketing. I think however that anybody working in affiliate marketing would be revulsed at the idea that they have anything in common with this. No value is being created anywhere.

I have no idea how Tates groups actually work, but I'll try to give you an example of what I mean.

Spoiler: sperging

Let's say Tate has 10K students. There is no way that he can deal with this himself. He needs to segment it into groups, which implies roles, which implies a lot of loss of direct control which will be redirected into analytics and some targeted coaching. You need to pay the backbone of your infrastructure, and what better way to keep them motivated but a cut of the profit.

If I am Tate and I grew my community to a few K from the ground up, I know how things work. I know my retention rates, my average view time, my average engagement ratio, my average lifetime customer value, my average return/customer, where my traffic is coming from, what my demographic is like and where they intersect with other demographics I could expand to.

My older paypigs are struggling, but they are OGs by now, and if they all fail, I fail. I pick the best of the bunch to be my group managers. It also gives hope to the others that this could be their next step, something to reach for, hope.

I tell them "my numbers" (I take my actual numbers and 2x them) and tell them that's the target. If they reach this, they get whatever position and 25K cash.

To get them pumped up, I put them in the same position that every MLM does. It's "be your own boss" time. Pick your team, get some fucking people in, make me money and you get money for every person you bring. Not only the regular affiliate com, but a com on everything other product they buy after this. I give you your own dashboard log in and now you feel like a kingpin. You also get pocket money to redistribute in the group depending on results.

You need to push your team to push that shit for you so you can earn more, and there are additional roles dangling as prizes for people to be the next best paypig. They grow underneath each other, progressively leeching from new blood without any value ever being created, and keep reinvesting themselves to keep on progressing.

I set targets for you and reward you accordingly. I give you bonuses if you bring me new efficient recruiters.

If you fail you are fired, if you are good in one area and someone else is good in another. I charge the both of you to teach you how to make a course I'll be selling you and others later, on which you will get 30%. But you'll get a lot of clout lol.

Maybe I am going a little bit nuts and giving him more credit than due here, but this is the way these things are usually structured. He did not create the grift, he is merely one version of many.

All this is not even illegal in many places btw, and it's really not difficult to do if you are willing to put yourself out there like is and have this type of personality.

Lmao, I thought I'd look it up. Looks like his "casino's" look like this:

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Lol Ok, this is not a casino license.

That's basically a bar.

 

[Lemmingwiser]

If anything, the university itself is probably a Ponzy
It mostly teaches nothing more than how to become a freelancer for Tate

That's one of the paths offered. Others are crypto, dropshipping, amazon affiliate.

I think most of the attention was focused on turning people into copywriters and affiliate marketers in general and tips on how to approach streamers and other online entities and try to sell them copywriting, as well as info on various affiliate marketing sites.

I was curious about the material so I grabbed a leak version of the videos and one of the videos advices something close to a ponzi scheme without using the word.

He talks about his experiences as a tv commercials salesman and how the goal was always to cover costs by getting bigger clients each time, to fund the commercials by the previous clients. After a year or so his boss' business went belly-up in a cocaine induced haze, but his analysis was that it's because they slowed down and they could've kept it going if the guy wasnt always gone partying.

As for the war room; I wanted to see their process so I went up to the point of where I'd have to pay.

1. They have various offers like "we're gonna raise the price, but if you want you can contact us now and lock in the current price"
2. When you want to sign up, there's some bs of "we don't accept everyone, please let us know you're serious by sharing what you've done to improve yourself in the last 3 months or what your plans are for the next 3 months"
3. Then you get a message saying how proud they are of you and give you a direct chat message contact and an offer of how and when to pay
4. Then you receive a newsletter like 2 or 3 times a week

War Room goes through a guy named justin waller officially, but in practice it's probably some rando typing form letters somewhere.

 

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That's one of the paths offered. Others are crypto, dropshipping, amazon affiliate.

lol, OK. Thank you for this, he is basically just your random of the mill pseudo guru.

I won't comment about crypto, because I don't know shit about it.

However, I can tell you that he is late to the party for the drop shipping and Amazon niche, by like 2 years. The reason everybody was shilling that shit is because the niche was dying. Hardcore.

On the SEO side (organic rankings) Google fucked them really hard with new updates to fight this very kind of spam. The immense majority of the niches are already filled by the very companies they are trying to grift on, with their own in house SEO teams. Black hat does not work anymore.

SEA is becoming more difficult. FB and IG were fucking goldmine for a longtime. They would let anything go. Not anymore. When it comes to Google ads I know agents who will not touch clients who do drop-shipping with a ten foot pole. It's good money, but they always get banned or investigated. And if Google freezes your manager account, you can't do shit for any client until you get that cleared up.

Also, Amazon reduced their affiliate com rates massively at the beginning of Covid, because "what the fuck you're gonna do, stop ordering on Amazon?"

Cherry on the cake, the fact that these guys did so fucking good before the whole thing became well known is the very reason of their downfall. They made a lot of money for a lot of people who ended up figuring out that it was just as easy to cut out the middle man. With Amazon warehousing, who the fuck needs an agent when you can pay a Pilipino pennies on the dollar to do the same thing.

Edit ; I almost forgot the best part, the cost per acquisition

You only make a fraction of the total revenue, and you need to pay for your ads. Now, the ad system is built in a very fair way. It's a competition. If I say, I want my ad to show here, and I am willing to pay 2 cents a view, but my next competitor is only willing to go up to 1.9, I go first for 1.91.

What happens when the niche is bloated and everyone is bidding is that your artificially drive up the cost per acquisition. Thus, making it unprofitable for everyone working commission based.

He talks about his experiences as a tv commercials salesman and how the goal was always to cover costs by getting bigger clients each time, to fund the commercials by the previous clients. After a year or so his boss' business went belly-up in a cocaine induced haze, but his analysis was that it's because they slowed down and they could've kept it going if the guy wasnt always gone partying.

Enlightening. Let's see if there will be any disclosure of his actual net worth, I am curious.

War Room goes through a guy named justin waller officially, but in practice it's probably some rando typing form letters somewhere.

Sorry for double post. I see you edited your post, not sure if I edit mine and @ you you will be notified?

Anyway, can you share the landing page, or even better the payment stage if you have screenshots? I am curious to know who is processing this.

 

[Lemmingwiser]

Sorry for double post. I see you edited your post, not sure if I edit mine and @ you you will be notified?

Anyway, can you share the landing page, or even better the payment stage if you have screenshots? I am curious to know who is processing this.

Yeah until I get farms working on pc again I'm on mobile and if I want to copypaste stuff, I lose my entire post.

It was a while ago, before he was purged from social media what I'm reporting on. Here are the links (post will be edited to include all):

Regular get rich ("the real world"):

Cobratate | Live What You Dream

I'm Andrew Tate - World champion kickboxer & multi-millionaire. People used to tell me that a lifestyle like the one I live today is impossible to achieve, but I made it. It's not easy, but with a few secrets, and a lot of hard work, you can join me at the top.

www.cobratate.com

War room:

The War Room | Cobratate

The War Room is a global network in which exemplars of individualism work to free the modern man from socially induced incarceration.

cobratate.com

Merch:

Cobra Tate Store

Handmade Italian Clothes and Ebooks inspired by Andrew Tate

cobratate.it

(May not be legit)

 

[CAPTAIN HAPPY]

I still think he's guilty, but the schizo in me always looks for some kind of conspiracy

this is also a really good point

Be wary of the shizo. The shizo seeks destruction of all, you included.

Also, where are "all these" women? I've seen two. And the women who would speak against him likely cannot as there's an open investigation. Just wait til this goes to trial.

I don't know this latest one, but I do know the first one does porn. Never trust porn people. Cooming too much burns out their brains.