Manosphere Andrew Tate / Top G / Cobratate - Egotistical MRA "influencer", arrested for trafficking in Romania, lied about having lung cancer

A big question that no one ever asks in regard to Andrew Tate is what the hell is going on with men and masculinity in the west that this bald retard became a messiah to hundreds of thousands of young men? No one wants to talk about the root cause that would allow someone like Tate to become popular.
@Corporate Gigachad is right, but to give a broaser perspective, he's also capitalising on a vacuum of masculinity and masculine messaging.

Long story, since feminism became default thinking pattern slowly from the 70s on, masculinity has been villified. I used to to teach a very male centric skill at schools for example and every successive class was a little more feminised. Schools treat boys as defective boys. Exercise is limited more and more (also due attractiveness of games) and dopamine spiking of games, lack of exercise and girl focused education are three important causes of overdiagnosis adhd (and frying dopamine receptors further by giving adhd medication).

You now have two successive generations of feminist centric thinking being the default to the mainstream way of analysing the world. One of the biggest resistance against is supposedly christianity or right wing views (you can't be brainwashed towards something if you're already brainwashed), but in practice those resistances have crumbled as the smarter/ higher ducated of those go to university and absorb the feminism way of thinking anyways, and as they become and replace the thought leaders of their communities, change the communities from within (or from the top).

Prior to the 70s, studying theology was the path of someone becoming a thought leader of communities basicly in the west. A gender studies degree is basicly a shortcut into all media positions as it's exactly the message media wants to boost. If you doubt it, I've dated two graduates and it was insane how many book, tv, radio deals always came their way despite them both being basically just store clerks somewhere with gender studies pet projects.

In the internet landscape you see it with things like gamergate where there is this momentary backlash by smelly nerds that are too autistic and don't understand who is boss yet.

You got to these academic feminist events and they think that the biggest problems for men is that they don't get to be weak. So the advice that men get is that they should allow themselves to be weak, cry, be vulnerable. While being open instead of closed of has value, being weak is death sentence to men romantically, as what women say contrasts with what makes them tingle. It's not how we evolved.

But because of the risks of cancellation, false accusations and because the media generally prefers female or doofus eye candy male role models, there is a real shortage of masculine role models for younger generations.

So when someone embodies a male role model and highlights the traits of masculine success coupled with good sounding retorts to the tried and true wisdom of feminism that boys and young men have heard all their lives, much like a woman who hears a man act like the way she wants men to be deep down, these men hear what they feel at a deep evolutionary level has been wrong with the world all this time.

Add to that that Tate is a pretty good salesman and makes it both entertaining and he adds all these lies to his offer, and he is reckless enough to challenge the mainstream narrative and he had a good strategy of using the new and still relatively underutilised tiktok media platform, he spread his message far and wide. He took the "red pill" community which is essentially a reddit take on masculinity that was its own thing completely different from say, 4chan's take on what red pill means, and instead of letting it be this kinda weird subculture, he advertised it and brought the ideas to the mainstream and use the outrage to develop his brand and sell his products.


Tl;Dr: he took an already burgeoning reddit sub culture and had an effective media strategy and did it in a reckless way that allowed him to bring those ideas to a wider audience, who already experienced a vacuum of masculinity. Then added some lies to make it sound even more attractive and sold them nearly worthless products.

He even says it in one of his videos. "Younger generations have less money than previous ones, but they're more likely to apend it in stupid shit"
 
I've barely been following what's going on but it's fascinating watching the Top G himself take a massive L in the timespan of two weeks.

Meanwhile, Aba and Preach weigh in on Andrew Tate's self-snitching.


Tl;dw:

>He admits to being a pimp, not paying his taxes, and stealing from his employees (only giving his girls 30%).
>You can't do business with women. You need to control their minds otherwise some other man will and that's bad for business.
>>There's also the issue of employing the motherfucking "Epstein method" (think back to Ghislaine Maxwell, a female child sex trafficker). Tate's main bitches, Luana Radu and Georgiana Naghel, were also arrested. The former is an ex-policewoman from Romania and the latter is his current girlfriend. Radu recruits and manages his women. It's easier to trick impressionable young women when another woman controls them.
>Judge has denied appeal because of evidence.
>There's a full leaked transcript from the court revealing all the crimes of the Tate brothers. Including his two main bitches threatening to kill the other girls if they don't rake in enough money.
 
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@Corporate Gigachad is right, but to give a broaser perspective, he's also capitalising on a vacuum of masculinity and masculine messaging.
While i do agree with a number of points you bring up, I'm not sure if I agree with the idea that feminism has really "taken over". Sure, a lot of "feminization" has taken place as you mention, but outside of the media, does anyone really care about what the journalists even have to say? I don't think so.

And then there's the question of content curation. Anyone interested in "masculine" stuff will find it, and surround themselves in it, and it's not like social media algorithms arent gonna help you with that. For one, my youtube feed is mostly guns, weightlifting and war, and I don't think anyone considers those feminine.

What I'm saying is that people like Tate are even worse and more insidious than you claim them to be, since they take something that might not even be a threat and make people believe it is
 
What I'm saying is that people like Tate are even worse and more insidious than you claim them to be, since they take something that might not even be a threat and make people believe it is
Add on top an army of teenage and college age yes men who feel so disenfranchised and let down by the system, which is how the PUA community keeps rolling. It's how politics work: people will side with someone who seems to have it figured out and promises them a sense of security, while also establishing an Us vs. Them mindset. It's always been an ongoing game of football in their heads.
 
Did the VICE "Special Report" air last night or not? I can't seem to find it or information on it anywhere.
 
While i do agree with a number of points you bring up, I'm not sure if I agree with the idea that feminism has really "taken over". Sure, a lot of "feminization" has taken place as you mention, but outside of the media, does anyone really care about what the journalists even have to say? I don't think so.

And then there's the question of content curation. Anyone interested in "masculine" stuff will find it, and surround themselves in it, and it's not like social media algorithms arent gonna help you with that. For one, my youtube feed is mostly guns, weightlifting and war, and I don't think anyone considers those feminine.
I think it's an interesting discussion and besides my rant I don't want to derail the thread too much. I'm sure not everyone embraces feminism in their heart anymore than pre enlightnemnent europe not everyone embraced jesus into their heart.

All mainstream messaging and school education is from feminist perspective. This works as a kind of feedback loop, because new generations of educators never leave school, they simply move from in the class to being in front of the class. It's a feedback loop where every successive generation is more feminist.

To some degree the holdouts are the more rural areas, that are less dependant, more self sufficient. They may feed tomorrow, but they don't create the culture of tomorrow.

You mention guns weightlifting and war. How many of these channels discuss philosophy, marriage/relationships (and how its changed in the modern world from a supposedly realistic perspective), life paths, higher callings?

One of the things that makes Tate compelling to listen to, is because he often aims for that kind of higher purpose in discussions when he isn't bragging about his cars or being "le most googled man".

Personally I don't think it's a threat because of Tate, I think it is a threat because I saw the endemic problems when teaching new generations, where on the one hand other teachers wanted to learn from me because they could see what I was achieving and how well boys participated in my classes and on the other hand that they refused to take my advice because their unconscious indoctrination kicked in and were in practise scared of letting "boys be boys".

I agree that he's insiduous in the sense that a false messiah is insidious because he's taking a lot of energy that has built up and directs it into his bank account instead of trying to fix the problem (and if anything, exerbates it considering the percentage of scammed boys that will now believe in toxic masculinity).

Shit I wrote a long one again.

I think in essense my point is that not everybody will believe "the journalists", but when alternate messages are attacked effectively (they are), then their messages is the default and only minorities of people resist them and find alternate sources of info. You see this with covid messaging, for example. And that too creates fertile ground for people to then use anti-covid messaging to quickly get more credibility than they otherwise would with the anti-establishment people (which also is another thing Tate benefited from).
 
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One of the things that makes Tate compelling to listen to, is because he often aims for that kind of higher purpose in discussions when he isn't bragging about his cars or being "le most googled man".

Personally I don't think it's a threat because of Tate, I think it is a threat because I saw the endemic problems when teaching new generations, where on the one hand other teachers wanted to learn from me because they could see what I was achieving and how well boys participated in my classes and on the other hand that they refused to take my advice because their unconscious indoctrination kicked in and were in practise scared of letting "boys be boys".

I agree that he's insiduous in the sense that a false messiah is insidious because he's taking a lot of energy that has built up and directs it into his bank account instead of trying to fix the problem (and if anything, exerbates it considering the percentage of scammed boys that will now believe in toxic masculinity).
I found a quote the other day which sums up my views on Tate's message:
"In general, throughout the work, what is new is not good; and what is good is not new."
 
I found a quote the other day which sums up my views on Tate's message:
"In general, throughout the work, what is new is not good; and what is good is not new."
It's accurate, but it's pretty much the case for everything ever, to be honest, save the couple of genuine revolutions.
 
I think it's an interesting discussion and besides my rant I don't want to derail the thread too much. I'm sure not everyone embraces feminism in their heart anymore than pre enlightnemnent europe not everyone embraced jesus into their heart.

All mainstream messaging and school education is from feminist perspective. This works as a kind of feedback loop, because new generations of educators never leave school, they simply move from in the class to being in front of the class. It's a feedback loop where every successive generation is more feminist.

To some degree the holdouts are the more rural areas, that are less dependant, more self sufficient. They may feed tomorrow, but they don't create the culture of tomorrow.

You mention guns weightlifting and war. How many of these channels discuss philosophy, marriage/relationships (and how its changed in the modern world from a supposedly realistic perspective), life paths, higher callings?

One of the things that makes Tate compelling to listen to, is because he often aims for that kind of higher purpose in discussions when he isn't bragging about his cars or being "le most googled man".

Personally I don't think it's a threat because of Tate, I think it is a threat because I saw the endemic problems when teaching new generations, where on the one hand other teachers wanted to learn from me because they could see what I was achieving and how well boys participated in my classes and on the other hand that they refused to take my advice because their unconscious indoctrination kicked in and were in practise scared of letting "boys be boys".

I agree that he's insiduous in the sense that a false messiah is insidious because he's taking a lot of energy that has built up and directs it into his bank account instead of trying to fix the problem (and if anything, exerbates it considering the percentage of scammed boys that will now believe in toxic masculinity).

Shit I wrote a long one again.

I think in essense my point is that not everybody will believe "the journalists", but when alternate messages are attacked effectively (they are), then their messages is the default and only minorities of people resist them and find alternate sources of info. You see this with covid messaging, for example. And that too creates fertile ground for people to then use anti-covid messaging to quickly get more credibility than they otherwise would with the anti-establishment people (which also is another thing Tate benefited from).
I’d like to bring up a point that is completely missed by basically everything Tate has ever said.

What is masculinity, when it’s removed from the context of reproduction?

This guy talks about the generic collapse of western civ meme and what, his answer is to pwn the bitches and take their money?

The point of gender roles, the reason they exist at all, isn’t -complete- until reproduction. Having kids and raising them well is the biggest impact you can possibly have on the future, and any version of masculinity that doesn’t culminate there is actually just hedonism.

Edit to add: Tate grew up without a dad. Single moms have a harder time with discipline for boys, so instead of growing up with ideas about doing things because it’s honorable to do them or dishonorable not to, he probably came to see women the way he does because his mom had to resort to some form of emotional manipulation to keep her boys somewhat in line.
 
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The point of gender roles, the reason they exist at all, isn’t -complete- until reproduction. Having kids and raising them well is the biggest impact you can possibly have on the future, and any version of masculinity that doesn’t culminate there is actually just hedonism
He actually has talked about exactly that on a number of podcasts.

He's often moved conversation from just fucking to that topic and that just sex isn't special or interesting, that it's like food, it only matters a lot if you can't have any. Like he'd tell the story of a grandmother and her 30 children in the room and how much happier and accomplished she is than a career woman with her gucci bag.

It's also not precisely correct to say he grew up without a dad. I think he was like 12 when he moved to england and parents seperated? I mean it's always hard to know what to believe with this character, but considering how hard his father pushed him to become a chess player, which I don't think is a lie, it's not like he had no influence from his father in his life.

But who knows, I also thought he had casinos instead of a couple of gacha machines.
 
He's often moved conversation from just fucking to that topic and that just sex isn't special or interesting, that it's like food, it only matters a lot if you can't have any. Like he'd tell the story of a grandmother and her 30 children in the room and how much happier and accomplished she is than a career woman with her gucci bag.
Tate, like so many internet celebritoids, abuses the point in that although having a family is a pinnacle of fulfillment, the retard sets up and then falls into this bizarre trap of discarding any different point of view, even though he doesn't follow his own established creed.
What if you can't have kids?
What if you're too fucked up to raises kids?
Tate spews grifter bullshit from the sake of grift. Whether he actually believes what he says or not is meaningless.
It's also not precisely correct to say he grew up without a dad. I think he was like 12 when he moved to england and parents seperated? I mean it's always hard to know what to believe with this character, but considering how hard his father pushed him to become a chess player, which I don't think is a lie, it's not like he had no influence from his father in his life.
In Tate's case it's worse. Better to not have a father at all than having a father that's such a massive piece of shit like Emory was.
 
Here's the Vice hit piece:
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Andrew Tate has done the impossible, he has made a VICE reporter look like a Chad.
 
He actually has talked about exactly that on a number of podcasts.

He's often moved conversation from just fucking to that topic and that just sex isn't special or interesting, that it's like food, it only matters a lot if you can't have any. Like he'd tell the story of a grandmother and her 30 children in the room and how much happier and accomplished she is than a career woman with her gucci bag.

It's also not precisely correct to say he grew up without a dad. I think he was like 12 when he moved to england and parents seperated? I mean it's always hard to know what to believe with this character, but considering how hard his father pushed him to become a chess player, which I don't think is a lie, it's not like he had no influence from his father in his life.

But who knows, I also thought he had casinos instead of a couple of gacha machines.
He claims on his site he grew up poor with a single mom, so hey.

Anyways, I don’t see anything about him having kids or being married, so at best I think he tried to rehab his image a little or maybe slide into conservatism for access to a new market.

Hard to settle down when you’re busy e-pimping/trafficking/lying to poor Eastern European camgirls and sexting other men on their behalf.

The being gay part is definitely substandard
 
If you aim for the queen you better not miss
The reaper apparently didn't miss. It's the King you gotta concern yourself with now.
“Come sign up for our sex dungeon. It’s better than what baldie runs, plus you get a medium 2-topping pizza with each prostitute!”
As long as they serve good beer I'm down.
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C’mon, that’s quite good.
On one hand, anyone who calls himself an alpha male needs to be exterminated. On the other hand, the account is called "right wing cope."

I didn't know being a sexually inexperienced and/or unattractive man was a political thing, let alone a "right wing" one.
 
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The most Tate has to do with kids is grooming and molesting them.

Nasty but unsurprising one of his main accomplices was like 15 when they got together.

Wonder if any of moral busybodies freaking out about groomers has said anything about Tate?

Not sure all the sperging about boys supposedly getting more feminine or w/e has much to do with anything. Even if it's true, why the fuck would it be a problem unless you think femininity is inherently inferior?
 
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That required quite a bit of selective editing. I remember watching the stream he did with the tate brothers and my impression was of a very nervous boy getting bullied by two older boys, who weren't even that serious. Let me see if I can find it and put it in this post with an edit.


Wonder if any of moral busybodies freaking out about groomers has said anything about Tate?
Good point in general.
Not sure all the sperging about boys supposedly getting more feminine or w/e has much to do with anything. Even if it's true, why the fuck would it be a problem unless you think femininity is inherently inferior?
I'll make it simple since you don't understand it. Feminisation of boys means they're pressured/influenced to not be as they are, XY. It would be like for a lesbian like you if you saw that lesbians en masse were pressured to seek heterosexual marriage. You aren't disgusted by it because you consider heterosexual marriage inferior (or perhaps you do), but it's both the external pressure and because at every level it seems to go against the nature of what the person is, inherently.

The reason it is discussed in this thread is because censorship generally creates exactly the conditions for a Tate like person to get so much clout so quickly: the censorship creates a vacuum, so there is a demand for something, but no supply. It's the same kind of think that led to success of mafia during prohibition in US. Restrictions of supply leads to conditions where more daring people and/or criminals can capitalize on the vacuum of supply and yield success.
 
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Goddamn, I've never gave this many posts in a thread a MATI rating. The incels that listen to Andrew Tate are truly faggot simps for him, just like the guys that simp for the webcam girls he's whoring out. It's just as sad, just 100% more gay.
Andrew Tate is basically what Elliot Rodger aspired to be, it's kinda funny how designer clothing, expensive cars, and even a halfway decent sport fighting record can't make you not a douchebag.

It's even more ironic considering that he was able to get rich off of cum dumpsters instead of crying about how none of them will ride his two inch pecker.
 
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