Tech you miss/ new tech trends you hate - ok boomers

I remember a linux distribution that was made extra to be used like this and would fit on a floppy. It had a 4 in it's name I think? A quick google didn't tell me anything. My current, all-fat-trimmed kernel with just hardware support for things this computer actually has is 17 mb big, and that's compressed. About ~6-7 mb is the initramfs programs so that leaves an 10-11 mb kernel with firmware blobs needed for this computer only. And practically, this computer isn't more usable than a 1998 486 with the kernel of back then probably weighting in at about 1 mb, like at all. The other day I noted my very lightweight alpine installation on the Thinkpad with basically just a browser, a terminal emulator minmal X with ratpoison and a browser+supporting tools weights in at about 1 GB. Just system files, /home not included. It's kinda disturbing if you think about it.
I'm guessing the browser is some massive part of the install you've got there?

There's an interesting project that endeavors to graph kernel LoC over releases here. The growth in drivers over time is certainly a thing, with more LoC in GPU drivers in recent kernels (admittedly, some of them probably for non-X86 systems and thus not relevant for the comparison) than in all of the 2.2.0 kernel. Of course, that entirely functional 2.2x kernel series was also similar in line count to what systemd is nowadays.

I imagine there's also some changes in the default optiimizations applied over time, with GCC getting smarter about what it can make faster but bigger. I might have to have a play around to see what difference -Os actually makes with today's kernels.
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Y'all acting like strapping 100 incompatible pieces of hardware together and getting them to barely work after 3 months of trying is somewhat nostalgic?

I'm glad stuff has been standardized and a lot of stuff just works now and you don't have to configure it all yourself, because the devs got it to (barely) work on their outdated, custom modded version of Apple and his instructions are "plug it in it just works".
 
I'm guessing the browser is some massive part of the install you've got there?
But of course, these alone pull in gtk 3.0, mesa and friends. Admittedly, a lot of these software components would also be used for other programs.

There's an interesting project that endeavors to graph kernel LoC over releases here. The growth in drivers over time is certainly a thing, with more LoC in GPU drivers in recent kernels (admittedly, some of them probably for non-X86 systems and thus not relevant for the comparison) than in all of the 2.2.0 kernel. Of course, that entirely functional 2.2x kernel series was also similar in line count to what systemd is nowadays.
Indeed, interesting. At least the x86 arch bar doesn't keep growing significantly for no reason, it'd be interesting to know what "other" is, though. Well out of curiosity I checked the kernel I set up for my Thinkpad (Kaby Lake with iGPU) and it weights in at 14 mb with an almost identical initramfs. It'd be interesting to see how big both kernels would be without the drivers compiled in but I'm too lazy to do it right now. Of course you can't really compare the drivers for modern GPUs with the generic VESA framebuffer drivers for old cards. All that hardware does "a bit" more and it'd be an unfair comparison.

I hand assembled a 1.44MB floppy I used as a Linux router for my ISDN(128K, 115.2 usable, minus framing, due to the PC serial port) to my 10Base-T at home in the mid-late 1990s. I think the PC was a 386sx 25 or so. Now I have microcontrollers with more RAM and CPU power than that.
That line between microcontroller and proper computer is so blurry at this point, at least performance wise, Microcontrollers still being Harvard Architecture machines usually. Then again I've seen people emulate x86 PCs running DOS/Win 3.0 and giving output via VGA .. you rationally do understand but still it just kinda boggles the mind sometimes. (The mcu in that video costs $5-$10, btw., depends where you buy it)

I really don't miss molex connectors in PCs. Those thing could be hard as hell to unplug sometimes yet you had to be careful so nothing breaks.
Ah yes, the old pull on the molex until it suddenly gives way and you slam your hand directly into some sharp case corner and now there's blood everywhere.

I bought a Node 202 case for my mini ITX system and people online in the customer reviews were on about how hard it was to put together because it is so small. It wasn't the sheer engineering elegance that were 90s Apple computers while Jobs didn't work there, but compared to these bigger and nasty 90s PC cases it was a walk in the park.
 
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Y'all acting like strapping 100 incompatible pieces of hardware together and getting them to barely work after 3 months of trying is somewhat nostalgic?

I'm glad stuff has been standardized and a lot of stuff just works now and you don't have to configure it all yourself, because the devs got it to (barely) work on their outdated, custom modded version of Apple and his instructions are "plug it in it just works".
What, you didn't like moving jumpers around on a board for hours trying to get your sound card and video card not to shit all over each other? What are you, gay?
 
Ah yes, the old pull on the molex until it suddenly gives way and you slam your hand directly into some sharp case corner and now there's blood everywhere.

I bought a Node 202 case for my mini ITX system and people online in the customer reviews were on about how hard it was to put together because it is so small. It wasn't the sheer engineering elegance that were 90s Apple computers while Jobs didn't work there, but compared to these bigger and nasty 90s PC cases it was a walk in the park.
They were surprisingly sharp. And it wasn't thumbscrews and side panels, it was phillips screws and yanking off the whole thing like a sharp sheet metal foreskin that goes "broing!" when it gets released from the clips. Then putting that shit back again...
What, you didn't like moving jumpers around on a board for hours trying to get your sound card and video card not to shit all over each other? What are you, gay?
I had a special mother with more PCI slots than any other model and I used all of them, that was fun.

It actually was kind of fun. Crashes was just part of life back then and I could fix my retarded setup and learn stuff about IRQs and what is more appropriate for available IRQs(this was in Win95/98). I have now forgotten all of that of course but it was an exciting time and even if was painful there is reason to look fondly back at things like that. So much was suddenly happening so fast and I'm always a bit impressed that I don't have to deal with that stuff anymore. They solved it.
 
A lot of boards were incredibly poorly designed from an engineering standpoint. I wouldn't be surprised if a ton of the crashes people saw were things like excessive noise on the bus, crosstalk, garbo I/O and spurious interrupts. Couple that with power supplies that caused component-brown outs and bypass caps that were placed more or less randomly and yeah. (A special of that time e.g. were also tantalum caps that were wrongly derated to cut costs) The late 80s and 90s were a weird time of bleeding edge technology meeting very low production costs and the absolute minimum of QA. It was like your new iPad Pro but it was actually made of silver-sprayed cardboard. (and one out of every tenth unit didn't have the spray applied for unknown reasons) But you accepted it because that's how things were for the most part in PC town where the raw performance lived.

There was of course also quality hardware but the prices were severe and it also wasn't always easy to find.
 
Indeed, interesting. At least the x86 arch bar doesn't keep growing significantly for no reason, it'd be interesting to know what "other" is, though. Well out of curiosity I checked the kernel I set up for my Thinkpad (Kaby Lake with iGPU) and it weights in at 14 mb with an almost identical initramfs. It'd be interesting to see how big both kernels would be without the drivers compiled in but I'm too lazy to do it right now. Of course you can't really compare the drivers for modern GPUs with the generic VESA framebuffer drivers for old cards. All that hardware does "a bit" more and it'd be an unfair comparison.
It still wouldn't fit on a diskette if you actually wanted it to do anything useful, modern x86 is complex as hell with nearly 40 years of legacy. Dropping the old bits hasn't made it cleaner, especially the need to talk to the modern ACPI, APICs, and managing page tables. Walking through the PCI hierarchy and config space was straight forward in comparison.

The tinyconfig on kernel 6.1.1 managed to go pretty small, but I'm not going to try to boot it for obvious reasons:
# ls -lh arch/x86/boot/bzImage
-rw-r--r--. 1 root root 490K Dec 30 03:07 arch/x86/boot/bzImage
Some highlights from the configuration
# CONFIG_64BIT is not set
# CONFIG_SMP is not set
# CONFIG_ACPI is not set
# CONFIG_PCI is not set
# CONFIG_TTY is not set
# CONFIG_BLK_DEV_INITRD is not set
It doesn't have any filesystems enabled, not even initramfs :story:
 
I remember a linux distribution that was made extra to be used like this and would fit on a floppy. It had a 4 in it's name I think?
I used muLinux back in the early 2000s to learn Linux since it fit onto a single floppy. But then moved to Minix since it was more lightweight and featureful.
 
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Is idiot tech tubers a new trend? I get pretty annoyed that youtube keeps trying to recommend incompetent tech tubers to me like Linus Cuck Tips and other similar tards that I have no interest in. I swear I keep clicking don't recommend channel but they keep coming back like digital herpes. This came up in in my feed and made me chuckle
The guy got a broken CPU from eBay and spent like 10 minutes bitching about losing money and how buying second hand is dangerous. Bruh, ebay buyer protection has been in place for years, just request a refund. Sure enough the comments are full of people telling him he is an idiot and wondering if its the first time he has used ebay in his life.
 
I miss Netscape Navigator, circa the mid 90s. More specifically I miss the splash screen - the ship's wheel etched with constellations, rising above the horizon: The harbinger of an certain voyage into uncharted virtual waters, along the brackish estuarial swampland of somebody's Korn tribute page, and the densely forested coastlines of early blogs, before a stream of coloured text, flashing on and off like a wrecker's beacons, yielded the inevitable crash onto digital rocks.

Now the Internet is like Manhattan - noisy and obnoxious. There is no sense of discovery anymore.

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Silently updating TnA should be illegal under the guise that you modified a already signed contract. Locking a customer out of their product till they agree the new TnAs should be punishable by law.

The "by browsing this site/installing our app you agree to our TnA" thing should also be illegal. I know these are usually "by using our service you agree not to use it maliciously" kind of TnAs but still...

TnAs signing your rights away (for a product you paid) should not only not be legally enforceable, they should not be a thing.

I'm thinking specifically of Blizzard who has the kind of "if you make this game mode in WC3 we own everything and you need to sell it to us". That's literally signing away your rights and the whole thing should be dismissed in court. Companies do not own what you make with their tools.

Silicon valley tech companies are assholes and they know your average consumer is law illiterate enough to put up with their bullying, but most of this shit is illegal.
 
Silicon valley tech companies are assholes and they know your average consumer is law illiterate enough to put up with their bullying, but most of this shit is illegal.
They don't care if you're law illiterate, they just know they can fuck you over whether or not you know it's illegal and you don't have the money to fight it, and you're further hamstrung by the fact they can just force you into rigged arbitration through arbitrators they basically own in all but name.
 
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