Philosophy Tube / Oliver Lennard / Oliver "Olly" Thorn / Abigail Thorn - Breadtube's Patrick Bateman.

Tooba apparently has the hots for Blaire White, or some other right wing trans influencer I'm not aware of.
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Claire must be out of the picture for real :(
I agree it’s Blaire White. The word cancellable is similar in length to the black out part and also to blair white when you type it, its about the same number of letters.
I bet the second part says “it has nothing to do with blaire white being trans” … which would be funny if true because we all know he has GAMP.

Also fits with the lip comments.
 
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OK so here's what we now know about Choob's adaptation idea:
  • Author died after 1948 (as not currently public domain) but probably before 1990 (as Ollie anticipates making an adaptation when the works are public domain). Probably died after 1958 as otherwise Choob wouldn't be seeing this as an "outlast" situation, so it's not going to be public domain particularly soon.
  • This particular work has never been adapted (but other works may have been adapted)
  • Managed by a man who's the head of his own literary agency that is also named after him
  • Has an associated foundation and one of the members lives in London, but the rest don't
  • Ollie judges the author to be needing more attention from his adaptation
It's got to be Nabokov, right? At one point I was thinking maybe he wanted to do an adaptation of Evelyn Waugh's Love Amongst The Ruins (it has a whole bit where a bearded woman is forced to submit to society and get a rubber jaw installed, so obvious trans parallels, and the main character is an arsonist) but it's this literary foundation that's got me swayed back. Most dead authors don't have foundations.

We don't know for certain Andrew Wylie is the literary agent (although it makes sense for previously described reasons) but there's only 10 or so foundations on his agency's client list and they're either children's books or visual artists - Nabokov is the only adult fiction author.

Furthermore here's the list of people associated with the Vladamir Nabokov Literary Foundation:

Andrew Wylie - President
Lila Azam Zanganeh - Secretary
Morris Kahn - Treasurer
Brian Boyd - Trustee
Gennedy Barabtarlo - Trustee
Olga Voronina - Trustee

The first two live in New York City, Morris Kahn lives just outside Tel Aviv, Brian Boyd is a lecturer at the University of Auckland, Gennedy Barabtarlo died recently but was a lecturer at the University of Missouri... but Olga Voronina is a lecturer at University College London's School of Slavonic and Eastern European Studies. She's based in UCL. She lives in London.

The arguments against it being Nabokov are a) surely Choob wouldn't be so arrogant as to think he could adapt Nabokov (he would) and b) Ollie thinks his adaptation could bring Nabokov more attention. Nabokov is a well known author, but your average person probably doesn't know who he is and most people who've heard of Nabokov probably haven't read him or at most have read Lolita. The average PhilosophyTube enjoyer (you know, people who'd never been to the theatre before) is unlikely to read a dense modernist 600 page novel about philosophy and incest written by a dead Russian guy, but they would watch an adaptation of it (because they know claiming to have read Nabokov makes you sound smart).

So I'm calling it. Just like how we second guess ourselves in the Tranch thread thinking they can't really be that stupid (and then they wow us by being that stupid), we've all been hedging that Ollie wouldn't actually go out of his way to try and adapt Ada, Contrapoint's favourite book. But nah, I think this is about as much confirmation I need short of Ollie openly admitting it that he's been trying to adapt Ada.
 
Tooba apparently has the hots for Blaire White, or some other right wing trans influencer I'm not aware of.
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Why would a classy lady kiss and tell? Despite claiming to be obsessed with presenting a safe brand for himself Choob keeps on choobing along.

Why did we need to read this convo that doesn’t seem to reveal anything of note besides Choob is objectifying a right wing woman and only considering the optics of it dubious?

Grifting trannies sure live life in easy mode.
 
OK so here's what we now know about Choob's adaptation idea:
  • Author died after 1948 (as not currently public domain) but probably before 1990 (as Ollie anticipates making an adaptation when the works are public domain). Probably died after 1958 as otherwise Choob wouldn't be seeing this as an "outlast" situation, so it's not going to be public domain particularly soon.
  • This particular work has never been adapted (but other works may have been adapted)
  • Managed by a man who's the head of his own literary agency that is also named after him
  • Has an associated foundation and one of the members lives in London, but the rest don't
  • Ollie judges the author to be needing more attention from his adaptation
It's got to be Nabokov, right? At one point I was thinking maybe he wanted to do an adaptation of Evelyn Waugh's Love Amongst The Ruins (it has a whole bit where a bearded woman is forced to submit to society and get a rubber jaw installed, so obvious trans parallels, and the main character is an arsonist) but it's this literary foundation that's got me swayed back. Most dead authors don't have foundations.

We don't know for certain Andrew Wylie is the literary agent (although it makes sense for previously described reasons) but there's only 10 or so foundations on his agency's client list and they're either children's books or visual artists - Nabokov is the only adult fiction author.

Furthermore here's the list of people associated with the Vladamir Nabokov Literary Foundation:

Andrew Wylie - President
Lila Azam Zanganeh - Secretary
Morris Kahn - Treasurer
Brian Boyd - Trustee
Gennedy Barabtarlo - Trustee
Olga Voronina - Trustee

The first two live in New York City, Morris Kahn lives just outside Tel Aviv, Brian Boyd is a lecturer at the University of Auckland, Gennedy Barabtarlo died recently but was a lecturer at the University of Missouri... but Olga Voronina is a lecturer at University College London's School of Slavonic and Eastern European Studies. She's based in UCL. She lives in London.

The arguments against it being Nabokov are a) surely Choob wouldn't be so arrogant as to think he could adapt Nabokov (he would) and b) Ollie thinks his adaptation could bring Nabokov more attention. Nabokov is a well known author, but your average person probably doesn't know who he is and most people who've heard of Nabokov probably haven't read him or at most have read Lolita. The average PhilosophyTube enjoyer (you know, people who'd never been to the theatre before) is unlikely to read a dense modernist 600 page novel about philosophy and incest written by a dead Russian guy, but they would watch an adaptation of it (because they know claiming to have read Nabokov makes you sound smart).

So I'm calling it. Just like how we second guess ourselves in the Tranch thread thinking they can't really be that stupid (and then they wow us by being that stupid), we've all been hedging that Ollie wouldn't actually go out of his way to try and adapt Ada, Contrapoint's favourite book. But nah, I think this is about as much confirmation I need short of Ollie openly admitting it that he's been trying to adapt Ada.
Initially I was most partial to the idea that its Virginia Woolf and the novel is Orlando, like she seems to be comparable to Nabokov if Olly really, truly thinks that an author of that calibre needs his profile in 2023.

Though I'll admit this is more to do with the fact that Orlando so perfectly fits into early 20th century troon interest literature more than anything else. Woolf died in 1941, which jeopardises that theory, do you know where her work stands in terms of public domain and who handles her estate?
 
Why would a classy lady kiss and tell? Despite claiming to be obsessed with presenting a safe brand for himself Choob keeps on choobing along.

Why did we need to read this convo that doesn’t seem to reveal anything of note besides Choob is objectifying a right wing woman and only considering the optics of it dubious?

Grifting trannies sure live life in easy mode.
I don’t think Tube would have qualms talking like that even if Claire was still around- the clue I fnd more likely to hint at a breakup is his angry Dolly Parton secret long term husband reply.
The proof will be in if Claire’s youtube has magically reappeared so she can get back on with work on her own career instead of hiding away meekly holding Tubes coat.

For what is worth, I liked the Isherwood suggestion, but I’m unsure of if all the pieces fit.
I know a lot do.
 
He did say goodbye to a “Claire” from the chat in his last live stream. Then he blew them a kiss. (Yes, really). So it seemed they were together as of then. 🤷‍♂️ That’s been a little while now though.

Off topic I only just recently learned of the buccal fat removal trend. I mention it because it explains so much of what I have watched/endured in the live streams. Olly is always sucking his cheeks in and sucking on a straw. It looks crazy but I see now what he’s trying to do. High cheekbones like a fashion model. It looks crazy enough in the stream, imagine if this literary agent took Oliver up on his dinner offer and sits down to see this:
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He did say goodbye to a “Claire” from the chat in his last live stream. Then he blew them a kiss. (Yes, really). So it seemed they were together as of then. 🤷‍♂️ That’s been a little while now though.

Off topic I only just recently learned of the buccal fat removal trend. I mention it because it explains so much of what I have watched/endured in the live streams. Olly is always sucking his cheeks in and sucking on a straw. It looks crazy but I see now what he’s trying to do. High cheekbones like a fashion model. It looks crazy enough in the stream, imagine if this literary agent took Oliver up on his dinner offer and sits down to see this:
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buccal fat removal is such a flat out retarded idea.
if God didnt bless you w checkbones, too bad babes. *flicks cheekbones*
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it does explain how Olly doesnt have such a moon face now- but the results plus like, a year or two (then the rest) of ageing, are gonna be catastrophic.

even just without thinking about it for like two seconds, it's idiotic removing fat from a face- the thing that keeps you looking young.
Olly only had to wait a year or two before he starts naturally hollowing out anyway into his 30s !?
I suppose he's natch a fat cunt tho so he can just keep some heavy Lb's on?
it'd possibly help him achieve some tits too, but on the other hand definitley wont benefit his Absolute, by Allah & Vast Unit problem.
Cos for all the fat that lands in your 'tits' (/weird, spaced out troonmoobs)- ever more is gonna be roped around the huge shoulders and arms. Mans upper body is gonna be looking like a chameleon with a huge brain tumour.
 
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Initially I was most partial to the idea that its Virginia Woolf and the novel is Orlando, like she seems to be comparable to Nabokov if Olly really, truly thinks that an author of that calibre needs his profile in 2023.

Though I'll admit this is more to do with the fact that Orlando so perfectly fits into early 20th century troon interest literature more than anything else. Woolf died in 1941, which jeopardises that theory, do you know where her work stands in terms of public domain and who handles her estate?
Virginia Woolf is public domain (except for Orlando in the US, which is public domain in 2024). Her estate is managed by Society of Authors (mostly the rights for things like translations). I'd agree Orlando was my first thought too, but if I'm not imagining it (too lazy to go back and check) he did say that the work hadn't been adapted before and doesn't mesh with what we know about the literary agency.

Christopher Isherwood is also managed by Wylie, although he doesn't become public domain until 2061 (so is pushing it a bit with the Choob Outlast Literary Agent project). He's got a few great works that have never been adapted afaik like Prater Violet and The Berlin Stories (prequel to Goodbye to Berlin) and he does have a literary foundation, headed up by Isherwood's partner and whose members all appear to live in California, except for Katherine Bucknell who lives in London (although the foundation is "supported" by Xenobe Purvis, who also lives in London).

Hmm. Worth noting that the author's family are all already dead, whereas Christopher Isherwood's partner Don Bachardy is still alive. Would we put it past Choob to discount a 30 year relationship between gay men?

(NB Christopher Isherwood is listed on the client list but doesn't mention having an estate - I guess there might be some other dead authors with literary estates on there. The client list is so long I wasn't autistic enough to try googling every author)
 
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We don't know for certain Andrew Wylie is the literary agent (although it makes sense for previously described reasons) but there's only 10 or so foundations on his agency's client list and they're either children's books or visual artists - Nabokov is the only adult fiction author.

Now, I frankly agree it's probably Ada, but I'd like to offer an alternative: it's one of the kids authors. Troons have a great affinity for children's books, it's part of why Rowling is such a devil figure for them.
 
Virginia Woolf is public domain (except for Orlando in the US, which is public domain in 2024). Her estate is managed by Society of Authors (mostly the rights for things like translations). I'd agree Orlando was my first thought too, but if I'm not imagining it (too lazy to go back and check) he did say that the work hadn't been adapted before and doesn't mesh with what we know about the literary agency.

Christopher Isherwood is also managed by Wylie, although he doesn't become public domain until 2061 (so is pushing it a bit with the Choob Outlast Literary Agent project). He's got a few great works that have never been adapted afaik like Prater Violet and The Berlin Stories (prequel to Goodbye to Berlin) and he does have a literary foundation, headed up by Isherwood's partner and whose members all appear to live in California, except for Katherine Bucknell who lives in London (although the foundation is "supported" by Xenobe Purvis, who also lives in London).

Hmm. Worth noting that the author's family are all already dead, whereas Christopher Isherwood's partner Don Bachardy is still alive. Would we put it past Choob to discount a 30 year relationship between gay men?

(NB Christopher Isherwood is listed on the client list but doesn't mention having an estate - I guess there might be some other dead authors with literary estates on there. The client list is so long I wasn't autistic enough to try googling every author)
Isherwood does seem like a good choice, the only thing is that Olly cannot be bothered to maintain the illusion that he has any connection with or interest in the male gay experience since he fully trooned out and abandoned making being Bi a big part of his persona.
 
I'm finally reminded of what Olly's pestering the 'the Rights Holder' (and Contrapoints) reminds me of


Escalation


Seriously unhinged



DJ Cook called the cops and he got btfo



DJ Cook's side of the story



It really makes you think, this Dominic Schmidt guy is mentally and physically indistinguishable from the average Twitter troon. A change of pronouns were all it would have taken for DJ Cook to have been the one getting arrested for 'harassment'









 
We don't know for certain Andrew Wylie is the literary agent (although it makes sense for previously described reasons) but there's only 10 or so foundations on his agency's client list and they're either children's books or visual artists - Nabokov is the only adult fiction author.
Not so. Apart from Christopher Isherwood, John Updike and Philip K. Dick for example both have their literary affairs managed in a similar way. Possibly others too. I'm very certain Olly's not an Updike fan though.

Isherwood does seem like a good choice, the only thing is that Olly cannot be bothered to maintain the illusion that he has any connection with or interest in the male gay experience since he fully trooned out and abandoned making being Bi a big part of his persona.
He can always insert a trans character here and there though - a version of Isherwood's Berlin material with a trooned-out Sally Bowles? Already been famously adapted as Cabaret though.


Edit: Had a quick look and Kurt Vonnegut, Susan Sontag, José Saramago and Albert Camus can also be added to the above list of jointly-managed literary legacies. Also worth pointing out that while Wylie's is very likely the agency in question, there are other possibilities. David Higham for example also manages several literary estates.
 
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I'm finally reminded of what Olly's pestering the 'the Rights Holder' (and Contrapoints) reminds me of


Escalation


Seriously unhinged



DJ Cook called the cops and he got btfo



DJ Cook's side of the story



It really makes you think, this Dominic Schmidt guy is mentally and physically indistinguishable from the average Twitter troon. A change of pronouns were all it would have taken for DJ Cook to have been the one getting arrested for 'harassment'

That was deeply, viscerally disturbing but I'll admit "So recently the cops came to my house and they told me to stop stalking people. Now, here's the thing, I enjoy stalking people" was actually pretty funny.

Beyond the obvious (not wanting to appear disgusting) the biggest difference between this guy and Ollie is that Ollie probably doesn't consider anything he does to be unjustified because he rationalises what he's doing as being persistent and constructive. This guy just doesn't care that he's doing something bad and leans into it, but Ollie's always the good guy or victim in his head and crafts narratives around it to reassure himself to that end. A trait unfortunately common to narcs.
 
Beyond the obvious (not wanting to appear disgusting) the biggest difference between this guy and Ollie is that Ollie probably doesn't consider anything he does to be unjustified because he rationalises what he's doing as being persistent and constructive. This guy just doesn't care that he's doing something bad and leans into it, but Ollie's always the good guy or victim in his head and crafts narratives around it to reassure himself to that end. A trait unfortunately common to narcs.
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weird to get older and instead of the humbling that comes with realising you didn't know everything in your early 20s and becoming more open and tolerant to ideas, and aware of your own limits- truly being clever / intelligent tends to only reveal more and more you ignorance, to know how little you know,.reverse Dunning Kruger...
then there's Olly.

RE Project COLA, ~Choob Outlasts Literary Agent~ I'm still betting Isherwood (admittedly as a lazy one, in that not bothering to see if all the little details match up);
because despite him being. a DIRTY CIS GAY WHITE MAN, he was in Berlin in PEAK Magnus Hirschfeld hours. Could easily be jimmied to fit Tubes Troon myopia.


@Markass the Worst Do we know what costume she's referring to?
Sorry, and I know this is a Me problem, but literally i haven't been able to stay awake for a whole tube video for several years now, so miss things, even after repeated attempts (i keep falling asleep each time)- i have never seen the end of any of the post Troon ones after the "Coming Out", so really I have no idea what this is in reference to.

What he's wearing in that clip seems to refer to the beleaguered health system at lage (which makes it more insane, self serving, and grabby, that he's (loudly) had is eyes on that sweet govt compensation for troons, as a priority over investment of funds and reform energy, into the health service)

Tf?! So, initially I thought the guy was joking a first (and still kinnnda do?) but then it went like...way far.
I find it puzzling how tidy and put together his house was.though... he might just be an autistically dedicated self aware performance artist troll...but thats such an extreme level of time and energy...300 new numbers? And the spit?!
And unrelated, but guy has like...a certain genre of Tif aesthetic down to a T.
 
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weird to get older and instead of the humbling that comes with realising you didn't know everything in your early 20s and becoming more open and tolerant to ideas, and aware of your own limits- truly being clever / intelligent tends to only reveal more and more you ignorance, to know how little you know,.reverse Dunning Kruger...
then there's Olly.

RE Project COLA, ~Choob Outlasts Literary Agent~ I'm still betting Isherwood (admittedly as a lazy one, in that not bothering to see if all the little details match up);
because despite him being. a DIRTY CIS GAY WHITE MAN, he was in Berlin in PEAK Magnus Hirschfeld hours. Could easily be jimmied to fit Tubes Troon myopia.

Tf?! So, initially I thought the guy was joking a first (and still kinnnda do?) but then it went like...way far.
I find it puzzling how tidy and put together his house was.though... he might just be an autistically dedicated self aware performance artist troll...but thats such an extreme level of time and energy...300 new numbers? And the spit?!
And unrelated, but guy has like...a certain genre of Tif aesthetic down to a T.
Also anyone in Bongland who likes Stewart Lee is an insufferable, know-it-all cunt so unsurprising that Olly has one of his skits to hand.
 
Also anyone in Bongland who likes Stewart Lee is an insufferable, know-it-all cunt so unsurprising that Olly has one of his skits to hand.
I mean, i think this needs the qualifier "anyone in the year 2023(proablably reaching back to uhh..2014/15? he used to be alright..or at least, I was younger)
For Olly still to be on that superiouristic shit...saying that i guess SL was too old for his own stuff when he was putting it out, so.

Hey look- From the replies to Mrs Nicky Clark, we have a witness from the protest where Tube was spotted!
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another one peaked by his fetishism, lol. Come join us, babes!
 
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