Russian Invasion of Ukraine Megathread - Episode III - Revenge of the Ruski (now unlocked with new skins and gameplay modes!!!)

[Napoleon Bonerfart]

Borders are still open, by the way, and it's 16th already.

Russian men of fighting age are already being turned back by border guards at checkpoints.

 

[Sister Miriam Godwinson]

Well, there have certainly been instances of people being stopped at the border, not allowed to leave, mostly those lucky enough to be on the lists.
As for deserters being shot, that's mostly Wagner's cannon fodder recruited from prisons, so he's not entirely wrong. All kinds of shit happens to regular soldiers refusing to fight though.

All in all, it's likely to get worse before it gets better.

To be frank, I am actually surprised all that shit is not happening MORE often.

The border checkpoint had been abolished even before the active stage of the draft was, and nobody was pursuing draft dodgers. The idiot lawmaker who proposed obligatory military training for every male older than 30 was reprimanded by a superior military officer later that very same day and rescinded his statement. Back in the days of the active draft, one of the government talking heads in the news made a scathing remark about "overly zealous idiots who overheated the society to the boiling point".

It doesn't look like they are ready to go full blown North Korea on us just yet, although I am sure some of them would very much love to.

Here's some food for thought: Putin's government is not in fact monolithic, although it certainly likes to present a unified facade. A legacy of the Soviet days when everybody voted in lockstep. They still do, but much bargaining is happening in the corridors before the theatric display of loyalty can take place, and right now there are several factions tugging at the wheel. The fossils from the last days of the USSR pine for Putin's strong hand. The merchants back from the 90's are wheeling and dealing and giving/taking bribes as they are used to. Армейские сапоги would love to declare mass mobilization and want wartime economy now, now now. Economists want oil selling for 110$ again and no sanctions. The technocrats want 1$ = 50 rub and access to foreign high tech. The centrists want a military parade in Kiev on by May, 9 at the latest.

And all of the Western "analyslts" and propagandists keep posting shit that never, ever recognizes any of the above, falling for the cheap masquerade of unified Putinist Russia hook, line and sinker.

But yes, it is likely to get worse before it gets better. Largely because there isn't any "better" even in best case scenario to begin with.

 

[AgendaPoster]

I live in Russia and your claims are absolute bullshit. Please stop making a fool of yourself, your posts are killing me with second-hand cringe.

No, things are far from being all rainbows and roses here. The society is divided, many have left, and the threat of total mobilization hasn't gone anywhere. This does not make your claims any less unhinged.

Your avatar looks suspiciously close to a furry

 

[Sister Miriam Godwinson]

Your avatar looks suspiciously close to a furry

It's super effective!

 

[Astro Galactic Megalul]

To be frank, I am actually surprised all that shit is not happening MORE often.

The border checkpoint was abolished even before the active stage of the draft did, and nobody is pursuing draft dodgers, at least, not yet. The idiot lawmaker who proposed obligatory military training for every male older than 30 was reprimanded by a superior military officer later that very same day and rescinded his statement. Back in the days of the active draft, one of the government talking heads in the news made a scathing remark about "overly zealous idiots who overheated the society to the boiling point".

It doesn't look like they are ready to go full blown North Korea on us, although I am sure some of them would very much love to.

Here's some food for thought: Putin's government is not in fact monolithic, although it certainly likes to present a unified facade. A legacy of the Soviet days when everybody voted in lockstep. They still do, but much bargaining is happening in the corridors before the theatric display of loyalty can take place, and right now there are several factions tugging at the wheel. The fossils from the last days of the USSR pine for Putin's strong hand. The merchants back from the 90's are wheeling and dealing and giving/taking bribes as they are used to. Армейские сапоги would love to declare mass mobilization and want wartime economy now, now now. Economists want oil selling for 110$ again and no sanctions. The technocrats want 1$ = 50 rub and access to foreign high tech. The centrists want a military parade in Kiev on by May, 9 at the latest.

And all of the Western "analyslts" and propagandists keep posting shit that never , ever recognizes any of the above, falling for the cheap masquerade of unified Putinist Russia hook, line and sinker.

But yes, it is likely to get worse before it gets better. Largely because there isn't any "better" even in best case scenario to begin with.

These morons in Duma keep trying to outdo each other with retarded suggestions, trying to appear useful and show that they're more patriotic than the other guy.
To my knowledge (from people I got to talk to and their contacts, including people who were mobilized and friends in city administration who were directly involved in making it happen), many of the mobilized men пинают хуй, as we say, doing fuck all instead of receiving any sort of relevant training or participating in war. They're luckier than the guys who were used to plug holes in the frontline at the beginning of it, at least. For now.

The whole thing was a fucking mess, and it's a good sign for those who doesn't want to die in Putin's meatgrinder. Administrative burden proved to be too much (which likely means even further expansion of the bureaucracy, if Putin's regime survives that long), they're short on equipment, and training personnel is nowhere to be seen.
The structure of Russian army is more optimized toward making young conscripts paint the grass green, rather than effectively preparing men from all walks of life for war. So when it comes to mobilization, they have no clue on how to properly do it, thank god for that. It's probably the only reason they didn't go harder on it, because they know they'd only have a bigger mess on their hands.

Yeah, Kremlin not being monolithic is perhaps the only thing that gives me some optimism regarding the situation. It implies there's at least some tard-wrangling being attempted.

 

[Honeybadger v2]

Well, there have certainly been instances of people being stopped at the border (or not being allowed on trains/planes etc), not allowed to leave, mostly those lucky enough to be on the lists.

In September 2022. Right now, as I know, there are no problems.

Russian men of fighting age are already being turned back by border guards at checkpoints.

Citation?

 

[Glowie]

Borders are still open, by the way, and it's 16th already.

No.

But they leave.

Stop, it's embarassing.

Interestingly People are forced to enlist Russian natives know that
Drafting is still going on first wave nevet stopped leading to
Men arrested in Georgia-Russia border
Many mobile enlistment station stations
like ones are on Russian Kazakhstan border sre used to block and send back russian men back to Russia with contracts in hand.
Only handful 'essential' citizens, politicians and wealthy can leave the country.
Kremlin wants to disaster from last year that resulted in exodus of 700.000 people even Kremlin confirmed this

Moreover

Draft dodgers are ruined economically or thrown to prison

The most recent mobilization campaign in Russia will not be covered by the new legislation, according to Valeev, “because it’s been officially announced that mobilization is over.”

If you live in Russia or countries in borders

Russia seeks more eligible men for the draft

I don't know about you when Minister of defense Sergei Shoigu announced in December 2022 that Russia aims to expand armed forces to 1.500.000

When Shoigu himself said that there is little doubt that this still ongoing draft isn't stopping any time soon.

Call me a shill all you want. I have to watch this shit show unfold in real time. Unlike slavaboos in Anglosphere who believe Z propaganda.

 

[Honeybadger v2]

Interestingly People are forced to enlist Russian natives know that

September.

Drafting is still going on first wave nevet stopped leading to
Men arrested in Georgia-Russia border

September.

like ones are on Russian Kazakhstan border sre used to block and send back russian men back to Russia with contracts in hand.

September.

Kremlin wants to disaster from last year that resulted in exodus of 700.000 people even Kremlin confirmed this

Borders were closed, according to you, but 700000 people left? Huh.
As today there is absolutely no info on preventing any Russian on leaving the country for any reason.

Draft dodgers are ruined economically or thrown to prison

> kyivpost
As I searched to how many cases were opened in last year, total number is 410. There is actually no big fine if you just ignore the writ.

I don't know about you when Minister of defense Sergei Shoigu announced in December 2022 that Russia aims to expand armed forces to 1.500.000

Armed forces, that is the point.

Call me a shill all you want. I have to watch this shit show unfold in real time. Unlike slavaboos in Anglosphere who believe Z propaganda.

I just want you to support yourself with actual info. Maybe it's your input that's actual? Who knows.

I'm like, a third Russian that tells you that you are spreading misinfo? I think.

 

[CaptainAutism69]

Go through 2000 pages and tell me the bits you don't like, so I can distract from the point you were making.

you're being an obtuse faggot. The EU deal was tied to an IMF bailout, which was dependent on austerity measures that were crippling such as
- Devaluing the currency
- Raising gas prices
- Freezing public sector wages and pensions
- Releasing Tymenshenko (a corrupt as fuck oligarch) from prison so she could go to hospital in Germany (and never return)

Meanwhile Russia came in with a 15 billion sweetner, which would have probably made old yanko more electable the following year and not cut ties with the countries biggest trading partner.

And you know, for all the talk about democracy...the government at the time were entitled to choose the direction they wanted to take as the legitimatly elected government through free and fair elections, not to have McCain and Nuland start another colour revolution.

 

[Feline Supremacist]

Interestingly People are forced to enlist Russian natives know that

Russian anti-draft protesters being ordered to enlist, rights group says.

Some Russians detained while protesting against President Vladimir Putin's partial mobilisation have been handed draft papers while in custody

Ngl that's based. This is a Reuters article from September 2022, when mobilization began, states that "Under Russian law, police have the power to stop people who are thought to be evading mobilisation". As I am sure you are aware, it ended in October 2022.

Drafting is still going on first wave nevet stopped

The article you link to does not state that. It states "Russia Forced to Address New Draft Rumors for Planned Ukraine Offensive" with a weasel subtext of "Ahead of a reported late-winter offensive, the Kremlin offered carefully crafted language that didn’t deny reports it plans to draft 500,000 new soldiers and press them into service." What Peskov said was “There are many provocative messages on social media” during a call with reporters and urged the public to “rely on information coming from the Defense Ministry and the president and not to pay attention” to those who claim something different.

Like you, I suppose.

Men arrested in Georgia-Russia border

Four month old article, and yes, Americans fled to Canada and Mexico when we had a draft, and again, were arrested by the FBI. This is less news than it is sensationalism. Also, africanews, great source of hard hitting journalism about Eastern Europe, kek

Many mobile enlistment station stations
like ones are on Russian Kazakhstan border

Yet Russia isn't sending the FSB to roam the streets and grab men to conscript like the Ukrainian SBU has been filmed doing hundreds of times; Ukrainians post on social media to tell males where the SBU is so they can avoid getting conscripted.

Only handful 'essential' citizens, politicians and wealthy can leave the country.

Rich people grease palms to get their way, more news at 11. Yawn.

Draft dodgers are ruined economically or thrown to prison

Same shit happened here, and will happen again if we have a draft.

Russia seeks more eligible men for the draft

From the link you posted:

Fierce fighting continued in Soledar as Russian attempts to capture the town in the eastern region of Donetsk were failing,

Soledar had already been captured and Wagner were mopping up when this article was posted. This is literally "believe whatever Kiev says, goy!" despite concrete evidence to the contrary.

When Shoigu himself said that there is little doubt that this still ongoing draft isn't stopping any time soon.

Never happened.

You've proven you're a shill posting months old articles and then claiming its fresh and ongoing news. You are, in fact, a disingenuous shill-you think we can't click your links and read them ourselves? I mean this may work in the Saloreich but we ain't there, son. Also, this seems like an AI generated this post, with the reddit spacing as well.

 

[Quindoll]

you're being an obtuse faggot. The EU deal was tied to an IMF bailout, which was dependent on austerity measures that were crippling such as
- Devaluing the currency
- Raising gas prices
- Freezing public sector wages and pensions
- Releasing Tymenshenko (a corrupt as fuck oligarch) from prison so she could go to hospital in Germany (and never return)

Meanwhile Russia came in with a 15 billion sweetner, which would have probably made old yanko more electable the following year and not cut ties with the countries biggest trading partner.

And you know, for all the talk about democracy...the government at the time were entitled to choose the direction they wanted to take as the legitimatly elected government through free and fair elections, not to have McCain and Nuland start another colour revolution.

I just go with the gas prices. Maybe there are a few people with economic background in here.

What's the advantages/disadvantages of having a de facto price cap via subsidies on gas/electricity? Generally a good or a bad thing?

 

[Napoleon Bonerfart]

September

Borders closed in September and never reopened.

 

[mindlessobserver]

Urgh I may regret this;

Why is Putin in Ukraine and what will Russia get if they win and get the clay their asking for?

It's a delayed outbreak of extreme violence from the breakup of the Soviet Union. In an intensly schizophrenic turn of events in the early 90s, Ukraine actually supported preserving the USSR. But when Yeltsin and the Russian Federation declared independence it became a moot point and so the question instead became whether or not Ukraine would stick with Russia.

All the provinces of Ukraine by almost 3/4th voted for independence from Russia. The only exception being Crimea which narrowly voted in favor of Independence.

This is a problem for Russia geo stragically because it moved their border east of the Dniper, which for Russian strategic thinkers is a nightmare as there are no longer any natural barriers between the border and Moscow. It also cut them off from the two major Black Sea ports of Odessa and Sevastapol which are critical for Russias ability to project power, both economically and militarily.

Russia was however in no position to belabor the point, as it was two busy fighting brush fire wars in Chechnya and Moldova that also resulted from the breakup of the Soviet Union. They took what they could get, which was Ukraine leasing them Sevastapol. This was never a long term strategy however. Especially once a Pro-Western government came to power.

Russias Maximilist objective is the complete restoration of Ukraine to Moscows control. Either directly or through a puppet regime. Their primary objective however has always been the seizure or the oblasts East of Dniper and the capture of Odessa, which would reconnect to them to Tranistria in Moldova, and stabilize their hold on Crimea.

Saving Russian lives and sticking it to the west were always the excuses. This would have been the result even if the USA and EU hadn't starting mucking around in Ukraine. It just would have happened less violently and through a perfectly legit referendum like the ones held last year where 98% of the population agreed to annexation.

 

[CaptainAutism69]

I just go with the gas prices. Maybe there are a few people with economic background in here.

What's the advantages/disadvantages of having a de facto price cap via subsidies on gas/electricity? Generally a good or a bad thing?

What the living fuck are you on about? This isn't the economics discussion wankfest.
Here's a thing for you. My gas bill in Kiev was just over $150 a month during the peak of winter when it was -20 outside; double what it was the year before. The average salary for a typical Ukranian was around $400-ish. The UAH was in freefall so people's savings had pretty much vanished, and places like Privatbank were offering 19% interest rates for fixed term savings accounts (9% for EUR).
you can jerk off to MMT and shock doctraine economics, but it doesn't change the fact of the matter that the EU/IMF deal was dogshit, whereas the Russian one at the time was much better.

It's a delayed outbreak of extreme violence from the breakup of the Soviet Union. In an intensly schizophrenic turn of events in the early 90s, Ukraine actually supported preserving the USSR. But when Yeltsin and the Russian Federation declared independence it became a moot point and so the question instead became whether or not Ukraine would stick with Russia.

What planet are you on? Ukraine held a referendum on independence in 1991, with 90% voting for independence from the USSR. Before that Ukraine declared independence in a movement that had been brewing for a few year.

All the provinces of Ukraine by almost 3/4th voted for independence from Russia. The only exception being Crimea which narrowly voted in favor of Independence.

By 'narrowly' you mean 94% in the 1991 referendum right? or are you mixing up Russia and the USSR again?

This is a problem for Russia geo stragically because it moved their border east of the Dniper, which for Russian strategic thinkers is a nightmare as there are no longer any natural barriers between the border and Moscow. It also cut them off from the two major Black Sea ports of Odessa and Sevastapol which are critical for Russias ability to project power, both economically and militarily.

Russia was however in no position to belabor the point, as it was two busy fighting brush fire wars in Chechnya and Moldova that also resulted from the breakup of the Soviet Union. They took what they could get, which was Ukraine leasing them Sevastapol. This was never a long term strategy however. Especially once a Pro-Western government came to power.

Russias Maximilist objective is the complete restoration of Ukraine to Moscows control. Either directly or through a puppet regime. Their primary objective however has always been the seizure or the oblasts East of Dniper and the capture of Odessa, which would reconnect to them to Tranistria in Moldova, and stabilize their hold on Crimea.

Saving Russian lives and sticking it to the west were always the excuses. This would have been the result even if the USA and EU hadn't starting mucking around in Ukraine. It just would have happened less violently and through a perfectly legit referendum like the ones held last year where 98% of the population agreed to annexation.

Quoted the rest just incase anyone else was in doubt that you're a fucking idiot who should have been aborted.

 

[IKOL]

I'm like, a third Russian that tells you that you are spreading misinfo? I think.

Fifth, actually.

*old articles, cope and autistic screeching*

You keep sharting all over the place, stop embarrassing yourself nigger. Or else, I'll post Van Darkholm's political cameo. You don't want me to post Van Darkholm's political cameo, trust me.

*schizophrenia*

And you too.

 

[102]

Checking in on Holhol supporters. @mindlessobserver is this you, fruitboy?

Uh Oh, looks like we got some infighting!!!!!! This will help Putler!!!1!

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[Quindoll]

What the living fuck are you on about? This isn't the economics discussion wankfest.
Here's a thing for you. My gas bill in Kiev was just over $150 a month during the peak of winter when it was -20 outside; double what it was the year before. The average salary for a typical Ukranian was around $400-ish. The UAH was in freefall so people's savings had pretty much vanished, and places like Privatbank were offering 19% interest rates for fixed term savings accounts (9% for EUR).
you can jerk off to MMT and shock doctraine economics, but it doesn't change the fact of the matter that the EU/IMF deal was dogshit, whereas the Russian one at the time was much better.

I do not find any economic theory particulary arousing but thank you for your concern.

The issue is that you might pay less, maybe only 50 bucks a month. But if the price in reality is at the 150 bucks a month, the difference is not coming out of thin air. It is paid by the government. The same government has to get the money from somewhere. So it can raise taxes, cut cost or take on debt.
This is not something complicated. It also makes energy saving mechanisms less attractive. Triple glazed windows? Nah it takes 10 years to amortize the costs. With double the price it's 5 years and there is cost mitigation potential.

And it seems to have been rather expensive.

Saying that removing that is a bad thing is just weird to me, because continuing like that will lead to the abyss at some point. Just saying.

But I can let it stand to agree to disagree if the economic aspect of this particular matter is too thread derailing.

 

[IKOL]

Checking in on Holhol supporters. @mindlessobserver is this you, fruitboy?

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>Fruitboy
Say no more king

I fucking love Young Scrolls.
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Something from Lvov letters

Is this that Russian mobilisation glowie screech about?


Next in the list, Wagner. Salty sausage memes, everyone? We've already had a guy with a cheesy dick.

 

[Feline Supremacist]

It's a delayed outbreak of extreme violence from the breakup of the Soviet Union. In an intensly schizophrenic turn of events in the early 90s, Ukraine actually supported preserving the USSR.

I don't even need to refute this false narrative mindless probably picked up from some Beltway stooge but I quoted it just you all can see what he thinks is true and honest historical fact (it's not, its revisionist bullshit).

Russias Maximilist objective is the complete restoration of Ukraine to Moscows control. Either directly or through a puppet regime. Their primary objective however has always been the seizure or the oblasts East of Dniper and the capture of Odessa, which would reconnect to them to Tranistria in Moldova, and stabilize their hold on Crimea.

This is actually not far from the truth, but he fails to understand had the US not interfered, fomented a coup and began making plans to admit Ukraine to NATO Russia would not have given a shit and the salo factory would be making bank right now as Mykola went about his business. The US began to believe it's own bullshit about Russia being weak so it used Ukraine to fuck around and is now finding out.

Spoiler: inconvenient truth

Wars expose a nation's weaknesses, and the USA is not exempt from this rule. In a way, Russians, being realistic about their country and its leaders, just do their best so they're coping better but Americans act like we didn't just scramble to leave Afghanistan and Iraq after 20 years of pointless deaths and destruction so it will be a while before we learn to do same.

 

[TheDarknessGrows]

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Get those fuckers off our soil. This is their war and Joe Biden's war. Joe and all the warmongering whores can go over there if they want this so bad.