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President Joe Biden on Tuesday said that the United States will impose sanctions “far beyond” the ones that the United States imposed in 2014 following the annexation of the Crimean peninsula.

“This is the beginning of a Russian invasion of Ukraine,” Biden said in a White House speech, signaling a shift in his administration’s position. “We will continue to escalate sanctions if Russia escalates,” he added.

Russian elites and their family members will also soon face sanctions, Biden said, adding that “Russia will pay an even steeper price” if Moscow decides to push forward into Ukraine. Two Russian banks and Russian sovereign debt will also be sanctioned, he said.

Also in his speech, Biden said he would send more U.S. troops to the Baltic states as a defensive measure to strengthen NATO’s position in the area.

Russia shares a border with Estonia, Latvia, and Lithuania.

A day earlier, Russian President Vladimir Putin ordered troops to go into the separatist Donetsk and Lugansk regions in eastern Ukraine after a lengthy speech in which he recognized the two regions’ independence.

Western powers decried the move and began to slap sanctions on certain Russian individuals, while Germany announced it would halt plans to go ahead with the Russia-to-Germany Nord Stream 2 pipeline.

At home, Biden is facing bipartisan pressure to take more extensive actions against Russia following Putin’s decision. However, a recent poll showed that a majority of Americans believe that sending troops to Ukraine is a “bad idea,” and a slim minority believes it’s a good one.

All 27 European Union countries unanimously agreed on an initial list of sanctions targeting Russian authorities, said French Foreign Minister Jean-Yves Le Drian, and EU foreign affairs head Josep Borell claimed the package “will hurt Russia … a lot.”

Earlier Tuesday, Borell asserted that Russian troops have already entered the Donbas region, which comprises Donetsk and Lugansk, which are under the control of pro-Russia groups since 2014.

And on Tuesday, the Russian Parliament approved a Putin-back plan to use military force outside of Russia’s borders as Putin further said that Russia confirmed it would recognize the expanded borders of Lugansk and Donetsk.

“We recognized the states,” the Russian president said. “That means we recognized all of their fundamental documents, including the constitution, where it is written that their [borders] are the territories at the time the two regions were part of Ukraine.”

Speaking to reporters on Tuesday, Putin said that Ukraine is “not interested in peaceful solutions” and that “every day, they are amassing troops in the Donbas.”

Meanwhile, Ukraine President Volodymyr Zelensky on Tuesday morning again downplayed the prospect of a Russian invasion and proclaimed: “There will be no war.”

“There will not be an all-out war against Ukraine, and there will not be a broad escalation from Russia. If there is, then we will put Ukraine on a war footing,” he said in a televised address.

The White House began to signal that they would shift their own position on whether it’s the start of an invasion.

“We think this is, yes, the beginning of an invasion, Russia’s latest invasion into Ukraine,” said Jon Finer, the White House deputy national security adviser in public remarks. “An invasion is an invasion and that is what is underway.”

For weeks, Western governments have been claiming Moscow would invade its neighbor after Russia gathered some 150,000 troops along the countries’ borders. They alleged that the Kremlin would attempt to come up with a pretext to attack, while some officials on Monday said Putin’s speech recognizing the two regions was just that.

But Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin told reporters Tuesday that Russia’s “latest invasion” of Ukraine is threatening stability in the region, but he asserted that Putin can “still avoid a full blown, tragic war of choice.”

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About 100 Ukrainians will be landing in Oklahoma to Fort Sill relatively soon to begin training for the Patriot systems, operating them and how to maintain them for fighting conditions.

If that's the maintainer component, I know the officers have already been in schools stateside & Poland; so now they'll link up & train together, probably do a live fire, then redeploy as complete units.

US Patriot battery AIT school for enlisted is 13 weeks; but the Ukrainians will probably get an abbreviated course, based on training already done back in the EU. Plus there's already been a small contingent trained prior to this class, who are likely instructor-translators now, and will serve as the advance guard to get things running for when the main body shows up. The Ukrainians do things differently; but they still model their training on ours, so the timelines will be similar.
 
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That's a bit of a personal interpretation, if you read what's happening, basically they allowed some limited downloads and support to function from Russian IPs as they thought (probably after legal issues) that it's stipulated by the warranty. Needless to say that a VPN already bypasses these restrictions.
I'm somewhat split on the tech stuff and Russia, it always hosted a large community of hackers and pirates and everything that makes East Europe cool and cozy. Russian developers and webmasters are creating and hosting many interesting websites and software.
On average, I am willing to bet very few of these people love Putin and his war, but things did change with Western animosity vs Russia getting more overt and all sorts of NAFO shenanigans. When I first started to post here I was very careful to not generalize anything against Russians themselves or call them names, but the idiots on that other topic made me say things that I don't really think, which is only my fault, yet they are still deserving of a night encounter with a bunch of rabid lunatic gypsies.
As things got more and more in the ethnic resentment area and Westerners could openly profess anti-Russian sentiments with no repercussions, I've noticed a hardening of attitudes for the few Russian people I talk to and what seems to be an understanding that they'll be forced to side with the tribe, or else. Not ideal.
TL;DR corpos are not returning as in reopening factories and stores, just a few limited downloads; there are many Russians in tech and most of those did not like Putin at all, but the situation might've changed, regrettably.
 
I have so many questions.
How do we know this was the work of an AT4? It's not like the video shows a dude shooting it.
New production and ERA, but the ERA didn't work? How? Did somebody steal it, or was it just manufactured badly or what?
I'd have expected a modern MBT to be able to tank an AT4 to the front, even without ERA? Am I overly optimistic about protection, or is there indeed something wrong with this tank?
Author of the video claims it:
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"AT-4 in the face (in the area of mechanic's triplex (?))"
"What's with the crew?"
"Partially escaped"

That actually reminded me of Speak The Truth recently interview where dude who fought in Ukraine claimed that survivability rate of tank crews is surprisingly high, one of theirs changed multiple tanks.
I mean an AT-4 to the face resulting in a mission-kill or slow cook-off rather than a 1HKO turret-toss is a little more believable tbf
 
The Jordanians could always just send the tanks themselves. Their an independent state. They make their own policy.

Does the UK have a requirement where they need to give permission? I know the Germans have that with the Leopards where you need to submit a request for it because Germans get fucking horny at the thought of paperwork.

Speaking of the Germans, it looks like their Defense Minister resigned after doing such a shit job.

 
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Are France or Korea known for their tanks? I'm not a War Thunder player but am curious.
K2 Blank Panther (Korea) and the LeClerc (France) are both modern MBTs.
The former arguably has some of the more cutting-edge electronic features of any modern MBT; the latter basically markets itself on being just as good as an Abrams or Leo-2 but without having to buy American or German (a selling point for the French).

That being said, neither of them have seen combat like the Leo-2 or Abrams have, much less the actual conventional war fighting enemy state-army combined arms units like the Abrams has; but on paper both countries produce extremely viable and modern tanks.
 
A wagner commander is seeking asylum in Norway.
He claim that he has seen deserters being shot by Wanger internal service.
With Wanger being a mercnary group, I would not be suprised that unless he has some really good shit, he will get charged with warcrimes (which he claims to have also witness)

also, the serial killer Michael Popkov (who killed over 80 people and is suspected of having killed over 300) is requsting to join Wagner.
If this keep on going, Wanger will turn into a modern Dirlewanger Brigade.
 
Are France or Korea known for their tanks? I'm not a War Thunder player but am curious.
Korea is an up and coming player in the armored vehicle industry, the reason many people are interested in their shit is because they're willing to give deeper discounts compared to the us as their government is effectively subsidising it

A wagner commander is seeking asylum in Norway.
He claim that he has seen deserters being shot by Wanger internal service.
With Wanger being a mercnary group, I would not be suprised that unless he has some really good shit, he will get charged with warcrimes (which he claims to have also witness)

also, the serial killer Michael Popkov (who killed over 80 people and is suspected of having killed over 300) is requsting to join Wagner.
If this keep on going, Wanger will turn into a modern Dirlewanger Brigade.
Dirlewagner's force was only made out of hunters and poachers for most of its history, it was only late in the war due to belarusians and polish resistance did they get worser guys and commited atrocities
 
Dirlewagner's force was only made out of hunters and poachers for most of its history, it was only late in the war due to belarusians and polish resistance did they get worser guys and commited atrocities
Only at the start did they have poachers. It did not take long before they got started to get the scum of the earth.
They were involved in atrocities from the start and they spend most of their time killing civilians. They created chaos wherever they went and even the rest of the SS hated their guts.
 
Lucy Arestovich resigned. Letting the truth slip out was too much to him to keep his position even though he's been a loyal agent for the last year. They are eating their own now...
 

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Dirlewagner's force was only made out of hunters and poachers for most of its history, it was only late in the war due to belarusians and polish resistance did they get worser guys and commited atrocities
Late, like 1940 late? The shit they got up to in Poland horrified everyone who encountered them, even the General Government, which is why as early as 1942 they got sent to the front to clean up any partisans.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oskar_Dirlewanger#World_War_II
At the beginning of World War II, Dirlewanger volunteered for the Waffen-SS and received the rank of Obersturmführer. He eventually became the commander of the so-called Dirlewanger Brigade (at first designated as a battalion, later expanded to a regiment and a brigade, and eventually a division), composed originally of a small group of former poachers along with soldiers of a more conventional background. It was believed that the excellent tracking and shooting skills of the poachers could be put to constructive use in the fight against partisans. Later, Dirlewanger's soldiers were mostly recruited from among the ever-increasing groups of German convicted criminals (civilian and military) and concentration camp inmates, eventually including mental asylum patients, homosexuals, interned Romani people, and (at the end of the war) even political prisoners sentenced for their anti-Nazi beliefs and activities.

The unit was assigned to security duties first in General Government (occupied Poland), where Dirlewanger served as an SS-TV commandant of a labour camp at Stary Dzików. The camp was the subject of an abuse investigation by the SS judge Georg Konrad Morgen, who accused Dirlewanger of wanton acts of murder, corruption and Rassenschande or race defilement (Morgen consequently himself was reduced in rank and sent to the Eastern Front). According to Morgen, "Dirlewanger was a nuisance and a terror to the entire population. He repeatedly pillaged the ghetto in Lublin, extorting ransoms." Atrocities committed by Dirlewanger included injecting strychnine into young Jewish female prisoners, previously undressed and whipped, to watch them convulse to death in front of him and his friends for entertainment. According to Raul Hilberg, this camp was where "one of the first instances that reference was made to the 'soap-making rumor". According to the rumor, Dirlewanger "cut up Jewish women and boiled them with horse meat to make soap."
I will point out that Morgan was not appointed out of any moral concerns but to make sure things were running smoothly and efficiently... which they most certainly were not. In true German fashion Morgan hated the camps not because they killed millions but because they induced the men running them to engage in various forms of corruption and excess, such as you know... poisoning prisoners for fun instead of working them to death.
 
Late, like 1940 late? The shit they got up to in Poland horrified everyone who encountered them, even the General Government, which is why as early as 1942 they got sent to the front to clean up any partisans.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oskar_Dirlewanger#World_War_II

I will point out that Morgan was not appointed out of any moral concerns but to make sure things were running smoothly and efficiently... which they most certainly were not. In true German fashion Morgan hated the camps not because they killed millions but because they induced the men running them to engage in various forms of corruption and excess, such as you know... poisoning prisoners for fun instead of working them to death.
There's no whitewashing the Dirlewanger Brigade - they were a bunch of disgusting, degenerate rabble that SS High Command hoped would die somewhere on the front but for some fucking reason they kept surviving: a disgusting mistake, a disgusting error, and a bunch of degenerates who should've been shot early on by the SS themselves as opposed to being sent off into the frontline where they could commit heinous atrocities against innocents & disrupt the overall war effort.
 
Are France or Korea known for their tanks? I'm not a War Thunder player but am curious.

France has the LeClerc and Korea has the K1/2, which are generally regarded as better then Japan's T-90 or the Merkava.
Basically only the US, Russia, Germany, Britain, France, Korea, Japan, and Israel have developed modern MBTs. (we are not counting the Swede's gunwedges as MBTs) and tossing out US/Russia/Germany, only Korea and France have anything close to the industrial infrastructure to scale up production in a manner that could pressure Russia.
There are lots of countries with domestic production of Soviet clones & upgrade packages for same, or who developed upgrade packages for M-48s/M-60s that make those tanks viable on the battlefield.


The current LeClerc upgrade level, if I remember right, has never actually been tested in armor-on-armor combat, only low-intensity conflicts in Africa, Kosovo, and Yemen. It looks good on paper, and partly looks as good as it does because France drills the hell of their tankers; they only have 200-some in-service tanks, and about that in storage, so if tanks do start rolling they won't have any option for slackers.
The issues with the LeClerc is the last tanks rolled off the line in 2008. The contractor gets money to keep the factories available to crank out more, but it'd be a long spin up time.
IIRC the LeClerc has the same problem as the AMX-10/30, namely it is pre-Frances return to NATO so it takes french moon rounds, so you'd also need to buy your ammo from France/French suppliers.

Korea's K1 is practically an Abrams clone, but its got a few unique design elements and the A1 upgrade makes it different. I have forgotten all the stuff that makes it different, but if you couldn't get an Abrams and don't want an ammo explosion to kill your crew, the K1A1 might be your huckleberry.
The K1 was developed with US help to, essentially, stop Russia & China from bitching about US arms shipments to Korea. The A1 was a large upgrade, and development was driven largely by Korean engineers.
They also have the K2.
These have also never been tested in combat, but they have had the shit tested out of them in Korea. The dogeaters don't fuck around with Kim & the chinks to their north.

Japan also has the T-90, but the T-90 is very big X-factor. It has never seen combat, or even left Japan.
It is 100% japan-domestic production, and everything except the gun was Japanese design. There are two huge problems with the T-90, other than neve being tested in combat. First is the entirely weeb construction - they'd be built and assembled in Japan, and would need to ship from Japan. the other is Japan shipping arms would open up an entire global can of worms literally no one except the most Make the Emperor Great Again coke-huffers wants to even think about.

Israel has the Merkava, but forgetting production issues and being Ukraine's Greatest Ally, the Merkava has critical issues with armor protection & mission design.
to tl;dr this part, based on experiences in the Yom Kippur War, Israel lost tank crews holding the Golan at an unstainable pace. They redesigned the Merkava for crew protection including putting the engine in the front. this allowed the Merkava to have lighter armor and better crew survivability. This was great until modern Top-shot ATGMs started showing up, and then the engine wasn't doing much for protection.
 
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There's no whitewashing the Dirlewanger Brigade - they were a bunch of disgusting, degenerate rabble that SS High Command hoped would die somewhere on the front but for some fucking reason they kept surviving: a disgusting mistake, a disgusting error, and a bunch of degenerates who should've been shot early on by the SS themselves as opposed to being sent off into the frontline where they could commit heinous atrocities against innocents & disrupt the overall war effort.
Dirlewanger himself was headed to the camps due to his sexual proclivities before some friends in high places said he'd be useful to the war effort. And this being Nazi Germany, having friends in high places was enough to protect a man from just about anything.
 
Dirlewanger himself was headed to the camps due to his sexual proclivities before some friends in high places said he'd be useful to the war effort. And this being Nazi Germany, having friends in high places was enough to protect a man from just about anything.
Bureaucratic cronyism being allowed to remain throughout the war effort was one of the primary weaknesses & cancers the Reich suffered from, this is undeniable too - Dirlewanger belonged in the camps, realistically the man should've been fed to a pair of hungry Rotts; it's all unfortunate trash that exposed one of the primary weaknesses the Reich suffered from (and by extent, the ethos) while disrupting the war effort at the same time by allowing a rabble of fuckheaded, low-IQ convicts to kill civilians at a greater rate than they could kill soldiers...personally I think their survival despite being constantly thrown into situations where they'd be expected to die was up to the fact that they often preferred to engage civilians and one has to wonder if they didn't simply fuck off from their orders of engaging superior numbers of partisans numerous times to go commit atrocities.
 
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