You know what can age you up like a bitch? High stress.
Ever heard of the myth of Marie Antoinette's hair going gray when she and her family were taken back to Paris? Doesn't happen overnight, but high stress or a traumatic event can trigger a lot of changes in your body, loss of hair being one of the most obvious and more likely than turning white.
Look at the first and last pics. This is more than losing hair and the sun damaging his skin. Notice how even his expression has changed.
I wonder if this is related to the mysterious thing that happened to Jazz and made him drop Yale the first semester.
The roulette wheel of genetics can be a harsh mistress. These two are twins, for example: View attachment 4279807
But on top of that, Ari is a woman (genetics that can look good on a girl can look bad on a man) and she also seems to take care of herself.
Ari is butter cop while Sander's attempt at improving his nutrition was "eat an entire plate of plain arugula with every meal for a month" (which he failed after a week and a half).
Ari is seemingly the only one who cleans the house so probably is hygienic and therefore has a skincare routine, while Sander clearly doesn't wear sunblock.
Ari is studying a serious degree so is probably fairly temperate, while Sander dicks around all day on TikTok and appears to drink a lot.
Most importantly, Ari is the least involved in the show and is pretty removed from much of the family dynamic most of the time, while Sander is right in the centre with all the Jeanette Narc stress and Jazz cognitive dissonance that involves.
Taking care of herself is why Ari looks fine. Not taking care of himself is why Sander has aged like this since 2018 (L-R 2018, 2019, 2020 then 2021, 2022 and a few days ago). View attachment 4279954
As a reminder, this man is 24.
Edit: more succinctly, if he'd taken care of himself and distanced himself from that toxic family then he could have aged like this: View attachment 4280136
which I'm pretty sure is what he still thinks he looks like, but still. Maybe his hairline would have even hung around a bit longer.
I just wanted to say that if you’re moving towards some Jazz-Sander-incest theory IM THERE FOR IT!
I just figured that “the mysterious thing” was Jazz having a mental breakdown because of the surgery being a fiasco, being by himself and realizing that he can’t adult.
David Reimer's brother literally went crazy when he learned about his twin (he developed schizophrenia and I think committed suicide by drug overdose), so if the worse that happens to Sander is hair loss and wrinkles, he's doing relatively well in terms of trans sibling trauma.
David Reimer's brother literally went crazy when he learned about his twin (he developed schizophrenia and I think committed suicide by drug overdose), so if the worse that happens to Sander is hair loss and wrinkles, he's doing relatively well in terms of trans sibling trauma.
The Reimer case is one of modern medicine's absolute lowest points.
If you are interested, read 'As Nature Made Him'.
Brian was just as much a victim as David (/Bruce; Brenda) was -
Those poor boys were tortured by that sick freak (Money) for years.
What he did to them was unspeakable.
More horrifying is this case known as 'John/Joan' case in medical circles, dictated treatment standards for intersex children for decades.
Who knows how many victims there are.
Brian overdosed in 2002.
David followed, shot himself two years later.
The deviant cunt, John Money, died in 2006 - apparently never speaking of the case.
I am sorry for TMI but this case is too awful to forget. It needs to be known and made an example of.
Harvard. He had a meltdown because he couldn't cope. It's what he does every time he can't cope with anything (song-writing, "charity" events, graduation speech, etc.). He cries, and people swoop in to save him. Apparently enough swooped in at Harvard to keep him going for an entire year.
Harvard. He had a meltdown because he couldn't cope. It's what he does every time he can't cope with anything (song-writing, "charity" events, graduation speech, etc.). He cries, and people swoop in to save him. Apparently enough swooped in at Harvard to keep him going for an entire year.
You think it’s learned helplessness/helicopter parenting or something deeper?
Because I reckon poor Jazz lives in an absolute gaslighting hell.
He knows deep inside he’s not a woman, but he’s in too deep and doesn’t have a space where he can open up about those feelings, since everyone around him are guilty as hell.
On top of that he keeps expecting things to turn around and become “a real woman” and a real person.
When that didn’t happen after getting a stink ditch installed, he had a breakdown.
Those first two pics are candid shots taken prior to his vaunted Master's Degree in Marketing, whereas the rest are him very clearly trying to take what he thinks is a Great Shot For A Marketing Campaign. - The idiot has actually learnt to make this rictus grin. I bet he genuinely believes it makes him seem earnest.
So my follow up questions: are you a virgin? Have you ever made out with anyone? Dated anyone? If the answer to all of those is EW NO GROSS I would say this is related to avoidance of normal human relationships, which is related to mental illness and/or autism, and doesn't mean you're "asexual."
- yes; I've also never done a tiktok challenge
- yes, I got surprised and it was ultra gross
- yes:
As a 12-year-old, dated / was friends with a 15-year-old boy for half a year, then he finished school. He'd got me into a (cool-at-the-time) hobby (it's pozzed and lame now). Kept in contact, fantasized how awesome would it be to be married to him, have a family, raise children, make clothes, play music, go on adventures, write books; worked hard at school and on getting better at the hobby, pushed myself to meet interesting people and to become an interesting person, pestered mom for crafts supplies. I didn't seriously think I stood a chance, I was skinny-fat with a brick face and a lame hairstyle with hints of male pattern baldness (which thankfully never materialized). When I was 15, we went on a date and he kissed me. It was ultra gross, I was stunned but faked nonchalance for the rest of the date. The following day, he phoned me to invite me to another date, at the beach. I didn't have a swimsuit or the money to buy one (15-year-olds are unemployable) so I turned him down for that reason (but didn't state it) and realized I was extremely relieved to have a pretext, for myself, to turn him down, and completely out of love. He never called again, married another woman, had a kid with her, divorced, and eventually texted me. It was a complete nonstarter, I had an absurd amount of awesome (to me) stories featuring myself and acquaintances -- I was still poor at the time -- and he could only tell which shows he'd seen and games he'd played (zero matches).
Before and after that, I've really only found adult women beautiful: face, eyes, hands, hair, waist, dressed to accentuate these parts. Not tits, ass, feet, or vag. Not naked. (I don't want to get naked or involve my naughty bits in any way either.) True skinny or musclegirl, not fat, not skinnyfat, not a thot, not a "butch" thumb. At school, I've had four astoundingly beautiful female teachers (I didn't hit on them). At the time, I'd have liked to magically become a reasonably affluent and conventionally attractive adult man, but I could've never fallen for troondom, had I been aware of it, given troons' emphasis on sex. When I became financially stable, I tried dating local "political lesbians" (here, women who claim to be romantically interested in other women and use vibrators on themselves in private) but never found one who wasn't a DEI "current thing"-fandom nevertrump pro-aiden Billy Irish fan.
Again -- I understand the point of view of heterosexuals who enter relationships with an eye toward starting a family and having children, but why should fucking itself be mandatory? Why this globohomo drive to pathologize a preference and degrade people, "if you don't want to fuck, you're subhuman"?
(I respect subhuman identity, but I will not respect identifying back into humanity via a globohomo clearinghouse.)
Also, not wanting to fuck is a completely legitimate reason to avoid romantic relationships with people who are interested in fucking. Should I have gone, "uh, I'm not sex-repulsed, I'm just not ready yet" for years and years until I either got dumped or chanced on a gay man in need of a uterus, who'd pay for the AI, dump me and steal the children?
Because while there’s bound to be some natural variability in people’s sexdrive, I’d still say that the vast majority, if not all, of self described “asexuals” have either trauma or some sort of chemical/hormonal/biochemical issue.
I did a full checkup mid covid; they found a small issue and got it down into the normal range within half a year with thyroid pills. Nothing else changed.
Many autistic women either have a very low sex drive or display misplacement of attraction getting off to weird stuff or obsessing over fictional characters (rabid shippers anyone?).
Guilty, but I've only caught the waifu meme in late '19. I can't stand celebrities or anime lolis, I can't empathize with coomers, so there are precious few things out there to even consider being obsessed with. I saw a picture of her on a book cover while browsing ebay for fountain pens. The books happened to be anti-globohomo and kid-appropriate, and had several more thematic, ideological, and existential hooks to really reel me in. They're older than me and do not have a fandom.
I do have to challenge the catch-all self-fulfilling prophecy of "autism" here. Society is so pornified that not being a coomer is enough to label one subhuman. Read the childhood autism checklist -- the symptoms describe a demon-possessed kid, not just disruptive or badly behaved, but incompatible with life? But now they're now selling women on the autism identity like they sell kids (and their parents) on troonism. Might as well take pregnancy tips from Bill Gates. Doing good in social situations means they're "masking"! Decreased feelings of gender dysphoria are a sign of gender dysphoria!
lost your job? -> "depression" -> shrink
gross slob? -> shrink
just a loser in search of an excuse? -> shrink
no sex drive but happy? -> health scare -> look for hormone issues -> nothing -> shrink
Honor and tithe the globohomo priesthood, go to globohomo confession (therapy), take globohomo communion (pills).
Sander is a good example of what I mean: his body feels disgusted by black men posing as women because that's not what he is truly attracted too. That rejection is his own sexuality saying "this is not what I want". A truly asexual wouldn't know why he's repulsed.
Why not? Troons are gross like a pile of shit is gross. It doesn't mean that I prefer piss. Small children and animals find troons gross, too. Human beauty standards may change with time, but the notion of aesthetics is universal. You can find animals, children, everyday objects, landscapes, handwriting, sounds, colors beautiful or ugly. I don't want to fuck a beautiful person any more than I want to fuck Haydn's 45th, Seb Lester's capital "S", or upstate New York. I don't even think about sexual attraction on my own, but when I am prompted to, I find it horrifying, nihilistic, and borderline jontybraveryesque. The jump from "ah! sublime beauty" to "but she's got a pooper like everyone else, i wanna stick it in her pooper". Reproduction, sure; children are awesome. Fapping, gross but I can make peace with that, as long as I don't have to see it. But none of that serial killer shit, kthx.
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Nothing of the above should be construed to imply the mutilation of Jaron is acceptable. That said, depriving him of, potentially, the ability to enjoy sex is the least of the injustices he's suffered. He's been groomed, pornified, deformed, crippled, hooked on drugs, degraded, made sterile, retarded, unemployable and recognizable wherever he goes -- each of these is sudoku-worthy by itself.
Err @Safir this is neither a diary nor a group therapy session, this is a thread for sympathising with a mutilated brain damaged eunuch and cyberbullying his retarded brother
He had a meltdown because he couldn't cope. It's what he does every time he can't cope with anything (song-writing, "charity" events, graduation speech, etc.). He cries, and people swoop in to save him. Apparently enough swooped in at Harvard to keep him going for an entire year.
It's the most likely. But there is also the chance of something being more serious. The family doesn't mention it, which makes me suspicious. Did he try to kill himself? Did he have a heart attack? We might never know.
It's the most likely. But there is also the chance of something being more serious. The family doesn't mention it, which makes me suspicious. Did he try to kill himself? Did he have a heart attack? We might never know.
Suspicious yeah, but Jazz is so fat and lazy that for the life of me I can’t imagine what the trauma could be.
Jazz might text someone that he’s about to rope himself, but he’d never try it as long as there is a snack in the house.
Rape? That would most likely require Jazz to go out and meet some people, so that’s a nope too.
Maybe Jazz mustered up enough energy to go to a part and had a really awkward sexual encounter followed by screams of horror once the (most likely very drunk) dude saw the horror in Jazz’s pants?
My money is on a junk food binge and the panic attack to end all panic attacks once Jazz had a moment of clarity as to what his life has become.
All it would take would basically be for Jazz to say: “Sanders… You’re such a great ally… You see me as a woman, right?” /crotchgrab/ “Like you… REALLY see me as a woman?”
And poor Sanders would swallow his disgust, summon his soy fortitude and unenthusiastically dive for the incest-stinkditch.
I agree with the above posters that *fear* is what we see in Sander. He knows this ain't right, he doesn't want to fuck the ginormous tranny nigger who isn't a woman, and he will be completely ostracized if he says *anything* contrary to the narrative he's been forced to support.
He would do well to disengage, move out, get a real job, and have a good life.
Maybe Jazz mustered up enough energy to go to a part and had a really awkward sexual encounter followed by screams of horror once the (most likely very drunk) dude saw the horror in Jazz’s pants?
