What is the point of telling Null to get out of a thread?

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reporting the activities of a LOLcow or LOLcow-adjacent third party to an agency such as the IRS made you a co-conspirator with the so-called “synagogue of Satan”.
Trying to utilize the tax enforcement arm of a government to fuck with people you don't like is pretty evil. It's certainly not any better than if people in the Luna Slater thread encouraged calling the police to report her and her boyfriend doing drugs. Or if people in the Peetz thread encouraged calling animal welfare agencies for his and Chantal's cats.

Regardless, Null is not secret about his feelings towards the federal government's enforcement agencies, has told people to fuck off from messing with lolcows (and lolcow communities), and specifically expressed ire at using the federal government to mess with thread subjects. You can't complain after the fact that there are consequences for encouraging the exact type of activity that Null explicitly doesn't want on his forum.
 
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Trying to utilize the tax enforcement arm of a government to fuck with people you don't like is pretty evil.
I suppose, then, it's a good idea I never suggested any such thing.

If we're referring to @Caverlock or the one or two people who mentioned it in the Fatty thread, nothing in anything they've done or said is indicative that any report they might make to the IRS with regard to the SFWA is about "fuck[ing] with people you don't like".

Fatty purports to be a "well-known" author - a public figure, in other words. The SFWA purports to be a serious advocate for persons who are authors in the science-fiction and adjacent genres.

Further, the SFWA is currently organized as a publicly-funded "charity" which put dollars earmarked for its legal fund behind a frivolous lawsuit that, had it succeeded, would have, at the very least, stifled criticism of science fiction and sci-fi-adjacent authors, regardless of whether or not it was deserved and, at worst, potentially destroyed this website and the community of users thereof.

Whether or not they did this with knowledge of what their plaintiff's true goals were - I submit to you that they likely had no such knowledge nor did they realize their plaintiff was such an obnoxious fruitcake - or whether or not their intention was simply to defend people from abuse of "review" functions such as those on Amazon and "Good"reads [to the extent they put any great amount of thought into it at all, it probably went no farther than that] and regardless of any failure of their own legal counsel to actually delve into the individual who requested the funds and the arguments he and counsel hired on the SFWA's dime would make in the lawsuit, they did take the extraordinary step of expending even more legal funds to avoid answering the question we already know the answer to: did they fund the lawsuit.

Beyond that, one of their rationale's for their opposition to Jerry Jen attempting to obtain relevant information from them regarding the matter was that - and, again, I'm paraphrasing - their members allegedly feared their personal information being revealed to a "community of stalkers" or something along those ridiculous lines.

As absurd as all of this is when looked at objectively and when considering all the facts and nuances, there was a potentially serious problem first for the defendants and for this website and its community [and other similar ones].

I don't fault anyone for any good-faith belief they may have that the SFWA should be held accountable in some way - and, it bears repeating, I don't endorse the idea of reporting them to the IRS for "tax fraud" for reasons previously enumerated - for putting funds received from their members as dues and from the "public" [that is the community of authors of science fiction and adjacent genres and persons who consume their works] behind what, in hindsight, appears to have been nothing but an effort by a self-aggrandizing piece of shit to use the legal system to, in your words, fuck with people who opined that he - at the very least a limited-purpose public figure by virtue of his alleged "well known" science fiction author status and his very public [and inflammatory] social media presence - was a lousy writer [ a very clear statement of opinion which cannot be "defamatory"] who is fat and has bitch tits [two objective truths, which also cannot be "defamatory"].

It's certainly not any better than if people in the Luna Slater thread encouraged calling the police to report her and her boyfriend doing drugs. Or if people in the Peetz thread encouraged calling animal welfare agencies for his and Chantal's cats.
I don't follow either of those particular cows, so I have no idea what, if anything, they may have done to warrant any involvement by lew enFARCEment in their lives.

There is a particular cow on this site whose true identity was used fraudulently on a website very similar to the Other Forum where anyone could post using any name they liked to post a threat to commit violence against elementary school students. That person - the cow, not the person who fraudulently used his identity - was arrested, charged with a felony and spent approximately one month in jail as a result of the hoax threat made in their name [their own idiocy and cowish ways played into the charge and the jail time, but never-mind that now].

Obviously, evil people who wanted nothing more than to "fuck with people they didn't like" were behind that effort.

That doesn't change the fact that several years prior that same cow publicly stated that he wanted to "blow up" a local business [along with a picture of what appeared to be a home-made pipe-bomb]. He was rightly reported to LE and was convicted of a misdemeanor with regard to that event.

I hope you, and others, can see the distinction between "fucking with" a person and doing the right thing by reporting what you have a good-faith reason for believing is a genuine threat.

Regardless, Null is not secret about his feelings towards the federal government's enforcement agencies, has told people to fuck off from messing with lolcows (and lolcow communities), and specifically expressed ire at using the federal government to mess with thread subjects.
Indeed, but irrelevant as far as it concerns the matter at hand as described in my responses to your first quote above.

You can't complain after the fact that there are consequences for encouraging the exact type of activity that Null explicitly doesn't want on his forum.
You're right, and I have neither encouraged the type of behavior he explicitly doesn't want or complained about the consequences.
 
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I don't think TorqueJob understands what happened, When someone makes a post about willing to attack a specific group of people or location anywhere on the internet, The crime is already committed. Just because it wasn't carried out doesn't mean a federal law wasn't broken when making the post. Threatening to SWAT someone also falls under this category or the conspiracy part at least because the police are being used as weapons against a target and if anyone payed attention to the Wichita swatting incident, Someone actually died because two dumb retarded gamers threatened to SWAT each other over $1.50 and one gave a swatter the other's old address after daring him to do it.
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If you're gonna snitch to the IRS, do it off-site and don't talk about it here.
I don't think TorqueJob understands what happened, When someone makes a post about willing to attack a specific group of people or location anywhere on the internet, The crime is already committed. Just because it wasn't carried out doesn't mean a federal law wasn't broken when making the post. Threatening to SWAT someone also falls under this category or the conspiracy part at least because the police are being used as weapons against a target and if anyone payed attention to the Wichita swatting incident, Someone actually died because two dumb retarded gamers threatened to SWAT each other over $1.50 and one gave a swatter their old address.
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That homo was cheering for a board war. Fuck him.
 
Trying to utilize the tax enforcement arm of a government to fuck with people you don't like is pretty evil. It's certainly not any better than if people in the Luna Slater thread encouraged calling the police to report her and her boyfriend doing drugs. Or if people in the Peetz thread encouraged calling animal welfare agencies for his and Chantal's cats.

Regardless, Null is not secret about his feelings towards the federal government's enforcement agencies, has told people to fuck off from messing with lolcows (and lolcow communities), and specifically expressed ire at using the federal government to mess with thread subjects. You can't complain after the fact that there are consequences for encouraging the exact type of activity that Null explicitly doesn't want on his forum.

You haven't seen one word of what I, possible evildoer, have been working on. It doesn't even involve Patrick in any meaningful way; it involves the SFWA’s leadership and the organization as a whole. I was just going to go ahead and drop it in the KF thread when it was done because regulars have heard of the SFWA because Patrick is a member, and I think most of them would find certain parts of it very funny.

I understand the practical concerns about “cow-tipping,” even though that’s not what I was going to do, and have never done–and I’ve known about Patrick since 9/11/2018. I’ve never wanted to cause anyone any problems here.

Now that I know Null's position on the IRS, I won't post it here. I was just going to point out how out of line they have behaved for a 501(c)(3) from an angle that no one has taken before (not kid diddling or probable lolsuit funding), and then just plop that ready-made info into an email and send it to a couple of .gov addresses that will never even read it anyway. The main agency isn’t even the IRS, if that matters.

It’s not like calling the goddamn cops on a thread subject while cackling like a warlock dabbling in the dark arts, or encouraging others to do so. It doesn’t even involve Patrick. It’s like seeing a big tire-busting pothole in the background of one of Patrick’s fat fuck selfies, circling it, and emailing the pic to the Milwaukee Department of Public Works to see if they think they should fill it in–they won’t.

I won’t even report the SFWA. Fuck it.
 
Now that I know Null's position on the IRS, I won't post it here. I was just going to point out how out of line they have behaved for a 501(c)(3) from an angle that no one has taken before (not kid diddling or probable lolsuit funding), and then just plop that ready-made info into an email and send it to a couple of .gov addresses that will never even read it anyway. The main agency isn’t even the IRS, if that matters.
I can't and won't speak for Josh, but I generally don't think there's any problem with providing investigative info about an organization breaching tax laws. The problem comes from not just reporting it here so people can laugh and/or be informed, but reporting it to the feds so the government can get involved. If you really believe it's so great a travesty that it has to be reported to a government agency, then fine. Just don't come posting on KF about it for ass pats or clout. That's a clear bright line rule that's easy to follow.

I hope you, and others, can see the distinction between "fucking with" a person and doing the right thing by reporting what you have a good-faith reason for believing is a genuine threat.
Reply glitch, but @Uncle Buck, see my response above. Pretty much covers everything you said.
 
@artilleryfroth has strong opinions about who is responsible for the lock
Reminder that @artilleryfroth was the one who got the thread locked by continuing to pester Null and others with disingenuous combative posts like these, these and these. He started after the IRS kerfuffle had died down and shortly before the ''Patrick threatened to kill his wife and baby daughter'' bombshell hit that drew everyone's attention back to Pat and united everyone in their hatred of the $30.000 Dollar Fugitive.

Another, less friendly reminder that I called his shit out from the beginning and people still took the fucking bait.
 
I can't and won't speak for Josh, but I generally don't think there's any problem with providing investigative info about an organization breaching tax laws. The problem comes from not just reporting it here so people can laugh and/or be informed, but reporting it to the feds so the government can get involved. If you really believe it's so great a travesty that it has to be reported to a government agency, then fine. Just don't come posting on KF about it for ass pats or clout. That's a clear bright line rule that's easy to follow.

I said I was going to post it because regular readers of the Patrick thread that I started would likely find it informative and/or entertaining. Is everyone who actually contributes content looking or ass pats or clout? Can I cash out my Reaction Points for gift cards?

I basically left this site. Look at my fucking post history. Weeks between posts more and more often. But yeah, I'm trying to get that sweet, sweet Kiwiclout.

I'm just here to try to smooth shit over between the two forums. You've made two bullshit mischaracterizations of me in two posts.
 
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