Inactive Chelsea Lawrence / TanzChelsea - Munchie kicked out of two hospitals, home care and multiple treatment teams; Flagged and blacklisted by EPIC; Munched Herself to Death

@Thomas Eugene Paris and our other medpros.. or those who have experience with hospice-is there any reason other than a person not dying that a hospice would not accept you (disregarding no beds available)?
Too dangerous to transport perhaps? Not dying fast enough? Nowhere can provide the amount of K she desires?

Not a nurse etc but I was a care worker and provided end of life care at clients homes and care homes alongside the med pros plus had a family member opt for end of life care at home through a hospice and I helped with him.

I can't think of any reason they wouldn't accept someone but I'm limited to the old and cancer care.

I mean, they're designed for dying people.
 
@Thomas Eugene Paris and our other medpros.. or those who have experience with hospice-is there any reason other than a person not dying that a hospice would not accept you (disregarding no beds available)?
If you're likely to die within the next 24hr (or may die during transport) they won't accept you, because it's just too distressing for everyone involved. Better to stay put and have end of life care where you are.

That, or you're likely to live >3 months (some places it's 6).

Also if you're still having "active" treatment like IV fluids, antibiotics, etc they may decline to accept care. Oxygen is fine if it's being used for comfort.
Sometimes something that looks like "active" treatment may be allowed, for example someone with metastatic cancer in their spine might get a sudden impingement on their spinal cord so they may get an urgent heavy dose of radiotherapy to try to shrink it purely for symptom management. Another example is someone with a bowel blockage from colon cancer may get a stent put in to open the bowel (dying from a bowel obstruction is probably a top 10 worst way to die).
 
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Based on your experience, what is her next move?

From what you’ve said, there is no way she’s being admitted to hospice. I’m a bit over it when it comes to Chelton crying hospice when she’s been doing it for a year. If she’s flagged on Epic, how should health care respond to this?

Do those in health care ever take a looky-loo at social media?
 
I wonder if she's actually being given/was being given palliative care rather than hospice care and has just been (likely deliberately) conflating the two terms?

I can see her being offered palliative back when she was still considered to be genuinely ill, given what she claimed to be suffering with.

And I can definitely see her being either stupid enough or devious enough to accidentally start calling it hospice care because she knows most laypeople don't know the difference and assume both are hospice.

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I wonder if she's actually being given/was being given palliative care rather than hospice care and has just been (likely deliberately) conflating the two terms?

I can see her being offered palliative back when she was still considered to be genuinely ill, given what she claimed to be suffering with.

And I can definitely see her being either stupid enough or devious enough to accidentally start calling it hospice care because she knows most laypeople don't know the difference and assume both are hospice.


This would make a lot of sense. I think most people have no idea how to differentiate the two.

She never did seem to understand that a terminal diagnosis is needed for hospice, which she doesn't have.
 
This would make a lot of sense. I think most people have no idea how to differentiate the two.

She never did seem to understand that a terminal diagnosis is needed for hospice, which she doesn't have.
I thought she was trying to say that SPS was terminal, and was trying to use that to get into hospice, but because she's obviously not at the end-of-life stage of SPS (if that even exists) they rejected her. She's probably just on Medicaid which doesn't pay jack shit for end-of-life services in most states because it's assumed that if you're actually dying you'll have gotten Medicare, making Medicaid a secondary form of insurance. She's a burden on not only her poor old mother, and the health system, but also the state!

Chels, if you're reading this, just fucking kill yourself already since you wanna die so badly.
 
@Thomas Eugene Paris and our other medpros.. or those who have experience with hospice-is there any reason other than a person not dying that a hospice would not accept you (disregarding no beds available)?
Not Thomas, but here's a rudimentary list:
  • Diagnosed with a life-limiting condition with a prognosis of max six months to a year if their disease runs its normal course
  • Frequent hospitalizations within past six months
  • Progressive weight loss (taking into consideration edema weight)
  • Increasing weakness, fatigue, and somnolence
  • A change in cognitive and functional abilities
  • Compromised Activities of Daily Living (ADLs) such as eating, bathing, dressing, toileting, transferring/walking, and continence
  • Deteriorating mental abilities
  • Recurrent Infections
  • Skin breakdown
  • Specific criteria for hospice for the diagnosis itself
Edit: If the stars align just right, she might pull this off if palliative care is willfully ignorant.
 
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All things considered, the likelihood of it actually being hospice care is slim. Nurses, doctors, and hospitals all talk. They’re also (most of the time) not stupid. I’d bet it’s palliative.
Kween Ketamine is both stupid and morally bankrupt enough to call it hospice for that ever so sweet clout.

At the rate she’s going, she’d be better off to just drop the act and try to just get drugs off the street. Assuming that doesn’t happen when the camera cuts out.
 
All things considered, the likelihood of it actually being hospice care is slim. Nurses, doctors, and hospitals all talk. They’re also (most of the time) not stupid. I’d bet it’s palliative.
Kween Ketamine is both stupid and morally bankrupt enough to call it hospice for that ever so sweet clout.

At the rate she’s going, she’d be better off to just drop the act and try to just get drugs off the street. Assuming that doesn’t happen when the camera cuts out.
I would pay money to see Chelsea trying to cold cop ketamine in the Minneapolis ghetto :story:
 
Hey Chels, hey you all. By the way, you look and sound fantastic for someone who is dying! You're speaking clearly, you're emotionally involved enough to be angry at trolls (newsflash: dying people don't care about that stuff, emotional disconnection is part of the dying process), you're as mentally all there as you were before this saga, which, admittedly, may not be saying much.

If you're serious about showing us all how wrong we are, here's what's going to happen -- it's going to take you a long time to die, probably upwards of two months. Starving yourself to death is immensely painful, which is why it's been used as a means of torture and passive execution since antiquity. Your hair will turn white, your skin will get flaky, and you'll bloat and swell. When things get really bad, you'll probably go blind. You'll be preoccupied with thoughts of food, so much that you won't be able to concentrate. But on the bright side, your addiction to ketamine won't matter as much because you'll want food and water so bad.

Maybe, if you're lucky, hospice might give you morphine to end it faster, but your family will have to feed it to you. Their nurses can't do it once you're home for legal reasons. I had to give my family members the fatal doses myself. Do you think your mom will be willing to do that for you? Or your sister?
 
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I would pay money to see Chelsea trying to cold cop ketamine in the Minneapolis ghetto :story:
Ketamine would be better obtained by horse trainers, student vets, and ravers than street dealers.

Powerlevel: I really liked a girl when I was younger who was a horse trainer and occasionally dipped in to the horse supply. Thankfully I had wise people around me who advised me to ignore her. I'm fairly sure she had least had some munchie features herself.
 
She’s very limited on options. As she’s blacklisted on Epic, she’ll probably hunt down a mom and pop “hospice” home who don’t have access to her FULL medical record.

I think a doctor will come in clutch and be the savior and will give her the miracle treatment she’s so desperately sought (although she’s has the top medical providers overseeing her care-her words, not mine).

She will continue “hospice” at home and go take a page from Hope or Rara and continue to alter her voice/tone/color until people start asking questions and she’ll suddenly disconnect without a trace.

Anyone else find it weird how she’s obsessed with dying, but has not mentioned her funeral arrangements? Like…nodda. Also whenever someone asks for the information she’s held back on mentioning on social media for her “safety” 🙄 her response is basically “I’ll wait until the end?” If you are actively dying, many people aren’t exactly aware of when that downhill slide starts and to think she’ll have that frame of mind between “stiff attacks” and hypoxia is downright laughable.
 
While we wait for Chelton to die, enjoy this video of her talking about her time in a nursing home. It was August 2020, you’ve come such a long way, Chels!
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edit to add: Sincere thank you to our little spoonie warrior for helping me get out of the Fresh Meat title.
I'm starting to think she has a fetish for other people seeing her shit.
 
Do those in health care ever take a looky-loo at social media?
Yes.
While we wait for Chelton to die, enjoy this video of her talking about her time in a nursing home. It was August 2020, you’ve come such a long way, Chels!
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edit to add: Sincere thank you to our little spoonie warrior for helping me get out of the Fresh Meat title.
Aren't bed pans made of disposable plastic? Why would you save the bed pan when it's made of a polymer and just going to be embedded with bacteria? That's a potential infection control nightmare.
 
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