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President Joe Biden on Tuesday said that the United States will impose sanctions “far beyond” the ones that the United States imposed in 2014 following the annexation of the Crimean peninsula.

“This is the beginning of a Russian invasion of Ukraine,” Biden said in a White House speech, signaling a shift in his administration’s position. “We will continue to escalate sanctions if Russia escalates,” he added.

Russian elites and their family members will also soon face sanctions, Biden said, adding that “Russia will pay an even steeper price” if Moscow decides to push forward into Ukraine. Two Russian banks and Russian sovereign debt will also be sanctioned, he said.

Also in his speech, Biden said he would send more U.S. troops to the Baltic states as a defensive measure to strengthen NATO’s position in the area.

Russia shares a border with Estonia, Latvia, and Lithuania.

A day earlier, Russian President Vladimir Putin ordered troops to go into the separatist Donetsk and Lugansk regions in eastern Ukraine after a lengthy speech in which he recognized the two regions’ independence.

Western powers decried the move and began to slap sanctions on certain Russian individuals, while Germany announced it would halt plans to go ahead with the Russia-to-Germany Nord Stream 2 pipeline.

At home, Biden is facing bipartisan pressure to take more extensive actions against Russia following Putin’s decision. However, a recent poll showed that a majority of Americans believe that sending troops to Ukraine is a “bad idea,” and a slim minority believes it’s a good one.

All 27 European Union countries unanimously agreed on an initial list of sanctions targeting Russian authorities, said French Foreign Minister Jean-Yves Le Drian, and EU foreign affairs head Josep Borell claimed the package “will hurt Russia … a lot.”

Earlier Tuesday, Borell asserted that Russian troops have already entered the Donbas region, which comprises Donetsk and Lugansk, which are under the control of pro-Russia groups since 2014.

And on Tuesday, the Russian Parliament approved a Putin-back plan to use military force outside of Russia’s borders as Putin further said that Russia confirmed it would recognize the expanded borders of Lugansk and Donetsk.

“We recognized the states,” the Russian president said. “That means we recognized all of their fundamental documents, including the constitution, where it is written that their [borders] are the territories at the time the two regions were part of Ukraine.”

Speaking to reporters on Tuesday, Putin said that Ukraine is “not interested in peaceful solutions” and that “every day, they are amassing troops in the Donbas.”

Meanwhile, Ukraine President Volodymyr Zelensky on Tuesday morning again downplayed the prospect of a Russian invasion and proclaimed: “There will be no war.”

“There will not be an all-out war against Ukraine, and there will not be a broad escalation from Russia. If there is, then we will put Ukraine on a war footing,” he said in a televised address.

The White House began to signal that they would shift their own position on whether it’s the start of an invasion.

“We think this is, yes, the beginning of an invasion, Russia’s latest invasion into Ukraine,” said Jon Finer, the White House deputy national security adviser in public remarks. “An invasion is an invasion and that is what is underway.”

For weeks, Western governments have been claiming Moscow would invade its neighbor after Russia gathered some 150,000 troops along the countries’ borders. They alleged that the Kremlin would attempt to come up with a pretext to attack, while some officials on Monday said Putin’s speech recognizing the two regions was just that.

But Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin told reporters Tuesday that Russia’s “latest invasion” of Ukraine is threatening stability in the region, but he asserted that Putin can “still avoid a full blown, tragic war of choice.”

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@Blatant hypocrite
Regarding ISW (et. al), I use them as a starting point... sort of like Drudge, etc.

Rarely do I take anything from ISW as a whole, unless what they're summarizing is fairly unambiguous (i.e. battle locations, lines of advance, etc). I try to follow anything OSINT aggregators post, back to the original sources, and then come up with my own conclusions or further articles of interest.
 
Scholz ready to deliver battle tanks – on one condition

Most recently, however, the pressure from the partners in the traffic light coalition had increased. The Chancellor is now open to supplying "Leopard 2" battle tanks to Ukraine. Under one condition.

According to information from the Süddeutsche Zeitung, Chancellor Olaf Scholz (SPD) is apparently ready to deliver Leopard 2 main battle tanks to Ukraine, but on one condition. In a telephone call with US President Joe Biden on Tuesday, Scholz made it clear that Germany could only give in to the pressure to deliver if the US in turn delivered Abrams-type main battle tanks.

Scholz has always emphasized that Germany will not go it alone when it comes to providing military support to Ukraine. Biden apparently did not commit himself to the conversation. The USA apparently demands that the Chancellery not only allow other countries to supply Leopard 2 main battle tanks, but also deliver some itself if it is involved in such a main battle tank delivery. This Friday, a meeting of the Ukraine contact group will take place in Ramstein at the invitation of the USA. The new Defense Minister Boris Pistorius (SPD) will take part on behalf of Germany. It is not yet clear whether there will be an agreement. Most recently, the pressure on Germany from other EU countries had increased significantly, since the Leopard tanks were German-made and Berlin therefore had to give its approval for each delivery.

Defense politicians in the SPD also expect an early agreement on the issue. It is seen with concern that Russia could be planning new offensives. At the World Economic Forum in Davos, Switzerland, Scholz kept a low profile in public. Germany is already supplying Ukraine "in coordination with our partners on a continuous basis in large quantities - including anti-aircraft systems such as Iris-T or Patriot, artillery pieces and armored personnel carriers." This is part of a far-reaching turning point in German foreign and security policy. For the war to end, "Russia's aggression must fail," said Chancellor Scholz. Above all, the G-7 countries would support Ukraine "financially, economically, humanitarianly and militarily" for as long as it was necessary.

God, I hate Germans for being such fucking pussies.
Sweden have bigger balls then Germany with US going to send over Archers and such. Germany are so fucking pussy.
If they want to take a leading part in Europe, they need to get over their WW II past.
 
Na, the Leopard 2 did pretty badly when the Turks sent it into Syria. On the one hand, yes its Turks, but on the other hand it was left a twisted wreck with total crew casualties after hits that would have had an Abrams need to be towed away with at least some of the crew not needing to be rinsed out with a hose.

Plane crashes were by far the number one killer of US generals during WW2.

Since he's talking about the Atlanta commute I'd rather have a Bradley since that thing is immune to small arms fire.

https://twitter.com/faytuks/status/1615819287343816708?s=46&t=a7mBlT6g5TUoXgP-g4lbGg


https://www.politico.com/news/2023/01/18/major-military-package-ukraine-russia-00078331

More Strykers! Pity to any Ukrainians expected to take them near the front lines but they'd do great work as armored ambulances and cargo haulers.

https://twitter.com/nexta_tv/status/1615716771620585472?s=46&t=XfG7X2VJKtEuxqEFB1o0eg
There was some shit about how the Turks were using their Leopards that make them especially vulnerable to Jihad, but I cannot remember what it was.

I'm starting to see some of the articles here(and A&N in general) showing up in the algorithm of Chrome when I open it up again on my tablet after a few hours; it recommends a bunch of bullshit like an MSN front page instead of just being on whatever you were last looking at. It got me wondering, what sources are you guys following in general to find articles to post, or where do you go looking to find content in general?

Usually I see a breaking story on my recommendeds, then like @Blatant hypocrite I see where its actually from, and then I skim the first part of the article and keep going, past where the average normie has stopped reading so the Journo will feel safe doing equivocating to keep themselves from reamed by anyone doing any actual reason, then look up what they're writing about if you don't already know.

I watch Live UA Map; the runners have a heavy ukraine bias, but it hasn't affected their map. Only thing is they are slow to update.

I also go around MilSperg, GeoPoliSperg, and I had occasion to know some doofuses from some ambassadorial type roles, so you can

The most reason bit of breaking news I posted, about Russia moving out their troop transport, you see a can DuckDuckGo the transport

tl;dr: Multiple sources, synthesize, research, find the least cringeworthy MSM article with that least amount 'trust me bro, anonymous sources' in it to post here.
 
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This is not really about Ukraine, but it is connected to Russia and its spy organisation:
article in is in Swedish so I will sum it up:
Two brotheres who was working for MUST(Swedish secret service) has been sentenced to life in prison and 9 years and ten month respectively for espionage and treson.
They sold secrets to Russia for around ten years and got arrested in 2021.
It makes me wonder how many other Agency in Europe have people like this?

english source: https://www.theintelligencer.com/news/article/2-Swedes-get-lengthy-sentences-in-Russia-17727430.php
archive of the swedish newspaper: https://archive.ph/pPevZ
Note that both of the brothers are of Iranian descent ( not sure if they were born there)
 
This is not really about Ukraine, but it is connected to Russia and its spy organisation:
article in is in Swedish so I will sum it up:
Two brotheres who was working for MUST(Swedish secret service) has been sentenced to life in prison and 9 years and ten month respectively for espionage and treson.
They sold secrets to Russia for around ten years and got arrested in 2021.
It makes me wonder how many other Agency in Europe have people like this?

english source: https://www.theintelligencer.com/news/article/2-Swedes-get-lengthy-sentences-in-Russia-17727430.php
archive of the swedish newspaper: https://archive.ph/pPevZ
Note that both of the brothers are of Iranian descent ( not sure if they were born there)
Apparently, they're setting up shit in France too, just recently they received some propaganda whore from Federal Penitentiary Service / FSB who worked to cover up systemic torture in Russian prisons and coaxed Interpol in order for Russian intelligence agencies to extradite people from countries that hold human rights in some regard to Russia.
Here's a post from Gulagu.net on the matter, their organization was conceived in order to fight this very shit: https://www.youtube.com/post/Ugkxbx_GFi3NqJiR-6GibZCB-spuLoLbCvfS

According to them, there's a whole bunch of glowie cunts that were exported to France over the past year on behalf of Russian agencies, no doubt to infiltrate for the purpose of espionage and god knows what else. Watch out for Russia's critics and Ukrainian allies falling from the windows in Paris.

Frankly (no pun intended), I'm not surprised, France was lenient on Russia and even kept selling them weapon components after 2014 when according to Budapest Memorandum they were supposed to be exterminating Russian invaders along with US and other partners who gave Ukraine security assurances in exchange for them giving up strategic bombers and nukes.
Speaking of which. Interesting interview where guys come to the same conclusion as many of us have, that US is likely using Ukraine to bleed Russia of their offensive potential for the fraction of its military budget, as one of the reasons why they get just enough equipment to hold on rather than decisively win.
 
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Apparently, they're setting up shit in France too, just recently they received some propaganda whore from Federal Penitentiary Service / FSB who worked to cover up systemic torture in Russian prisons and coaxed Interpol in order for Russian intelligence agencies to extradite people from countries that hold human rights in some regard to Russia.
Here's a post from Gulagu.net on the matter, their organization was conceived in order to fight this very shit: https://www.youtube.com/post/Ugkxbx_GFi3NqJiR-6GibZCB-spuLoLbCvfS

According to them, there's a whole bunch of glowie cunts that were exported to France over the past year on behalf of Russian agencies, no doubt to infiltrate for the purpose of espionage and god knows what else. Frankly (no pun intended), I'm not surprised, France was lenient on Russia and even kept selling them weapon components after 2014 when according to Budapest Memorandum they were supposed to be exterminating Russian invaders along with US and other partners who gave Ukraine security assurances in exchange for them giving up strategic bombers and nukes.
Watch out for Russia's critics and Ukrainian allies falling from the windows in Paris.
Do any of them include the hundreds of thousands of refugee guys who fled russia when the war started last year
 
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I'm starting to see some of the articles here(and A&N in general) showing up in the algorithm of Chrome when I open it up again on my tablet after a few hours; it recommends a bunch of bullshit like an MSN front page instead of just being on whatever you were last looking at. It got me wondering, what sources are you guys following in general to find articles to post, or where do you go looking to find content in general?

Also thanks for the tank question answered by several posters, I forgot which thread I posted that in. Very informative though
An aggregation of sources.
Generally ISW is good for daily updates, even if they are starting to moralfag a bit in the absence of actual battlefield developments.
 

Absurd': Russian Foreign Minister Lavrov sparks backlash for invoking Holocaust​


Once again, Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov has caused widespread outrage by comparing his nation’s international isolation — the result of last year’s unprovoked invasion of neighboring Ukraine — to the murder of European Jews during the Holocaust.

“Just as Hitler wanted a ‘final solution’ to the Jewish question, now, if you read Western politicians ... they clearly say Russia must suffer a strategic defeat,” Lavrov, a close and longtime ally of Russian President Vladimir Putin, said Wednesday.

Israel sharply denounced Lavrov’s self-pitying view of European history — and of the European present, where Russia, not Germany, is seen as the greatest threat to peace and prosperity on the continent.

“Any comparison or relating current events with Hitler’s final solution plan for the extermination of the Jewish People distorts the historical truth, desecrates the memory of those who perished and the survivors and should be strongly rejected,” the Israeli Foreign Ministry said.

Yad Vashem, the Holocaust museum and memorial in Jerusalem, criticized what it described as “an affront to the actual victims of Nazism” on Lavrov’s part, according to the Israeli newspaper Haaretz.

In Washington, Lavrov’s comments — which singled out the United States, the organizing force behind the coalition supporting Ukraine — were met with an equally strong rebuke.

“Our first reaction is, how dare he compare anything to the Holocaust — anything — let alone a war that they started?” National Security Council spokesman John Kirby told Yahoo News at a Wednesday press briefing. “It's almost so absurd that it's not worth responding to,” Kirby said of Lavrov’s provocative musings.

Kirby pointed out that since it was Russia that invaded Ukraine — first in 2014, then much more extensively in early 2022 — claims of victimhood made little sense. “Today and from the very beginning,” he said, Putin “has tried to cast this as Mother Russia being under threat. False.”

Kirby went on to describe the comparison to the Holocaust as both “ludicrous” and “ridiculous,” in a departure from the carefully crafted statements that White House officials tend to use when discussing sensitive international concerns. When it comes to Russia, those concerns vanished long ago.

The so-called Endlösung der Judenfrage, or “Final Solution to the Jewish Question,” was the genocide implemented in stages by the Nazis as they conquered much of Europe. The campaign culminated in the creation of several death camps, mostly in Poland, where millions of Jews and other people were murdered.

Though it lost millions of civilians and soldiers in World War II, the Soviet Union was instrumental in defeating Hitler. The victory over Nazism remains a central tenet of Russian national identity.

When he first invaded Ukraine, Putin said his intention was to “de-Nazify” the nation’s leadership, a claim made especially dubious by the fact that Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky was the first Jew to have been elected to that post.

As the invasion faltered, Russia began to invent increasingly outlandish reasons for a war that had been poorly conceived from the start.

In an apparent effort to revive the original justification for the war, Lavrov told an Italian outlet last spring that Hitler “had Jewish blood.” The falsehood appeared to serve — however preposterously — the argument that Zelensky’s heritage did not absolve him of allowing Ukraine to lapse into fascism.

Despite international outrage, the Russian Foreign Ministry deepened the conflict with a social media post that alluded to “tragic examples of Jewish-Nazi collaboration,” a willfully grotesque misreading of history. Putin eventually apologized to Israel’s prime minister at the time, Naftali Bennett.

The Kremlin’s latest invocation of the Holocaust could damage the fraught relationship between Russia and Israel, where a new far-right coalition government led by Benjamin Netanyahu is now taking shape. Although domestic issues, including the enduring conflict over Palestinian territorial claims, have dominated Israeli politics, the question of Russia is unignorable in the long run.

Returning to office for his sixth term, Netanyahu boasts a close relationship with Putin — and none at all with Zelensky. Russia’s ties with Syria and Iran make it difficult for Netanyahu to offer meaningful military aid to Ukraine. At the same time, Israel’s closest ally, the United States, is leading the pro-Ukrainian alliance.

The United States recently moved some ammunition it was storing in Israel to the battlefield in Ukraine.

“These are sovereign decisions that nations have to make,” Kirby said on Wednesday regarding Israel’s cautious approach to the war in Eastern Europe. “We’re not twisting arms.”
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The Russian cries out as he bombs you.
 

Zelensky says he's not sure Putin 'still alive'​

by The Kyiv Independent news deskJanuary 19, 2023 11:50 am

During his online address at the World Economic Forum's annual meeting in Davos on Jan. 19, President Volodymyr Zelensky said that he was not "entirely sure" that Russian dictator Vladimir Putin is still alive and makes decisions in Russia.
"I don't quite understand who to talk to and about what. I'm not sure that Russia's president, who sometimes appears against the chroma key is really him," Zelensky responded when asked about the possibility of peace talks.
The chroma key that Zelensky referenced is a visual effects technique used to alter the background around the subject of a video. Some believe that Putin has been using it for his televised public engagements, to appear like he is visiting places while actually staying in safety.
Zelensky emphasized that Ukraine did everything to liberate its territories through diplomacy, but it hasn't worked out.
"Peace negotiations are not yet peace. It should be recognized by both sides," said the president.



Ukraine's president repeatedly called on partners to provide the country with more military equipment, adding that Ukrainian air defense remains a weak spot with another series of Russian drone attacks likely to be launched soon.
"There are moments when there is no need to hesitate. When people say, 'I'll give you tanks if someone else does,'" Zelensky said, cited by CNN.
At the "Ukrainian Breakfast" session panel, Zelensky again confirmed that Ukraine aims to liberate the Russian-occupied Crimean peninsula.
"Crimea is our sea and our mountains. Give us your weapons, and we will regain ours," Ukraine's president said, according to CNN.
Russia invaded and occupied Crimea in February 2014 during the EuroMaidan Revolution that ousted pro-Russian ex-President Viktor Yanukovych. The peninsula houses Russia's Black Sea Fleet and tens of thousands of Russian troops.
Amid Russia's full-scale invasion of Ukraine, President Volodymyr Zelensky has vowed to retake the peninsula. Ukraine has also targeted Russian air and military bases in Crimea to hamper Russia's war effort.

Sounds like Z-Man's been at the coke again...he should probably stick to playing the piano with his penis rather than politics. And to think this clown is addressing world leaders and actually successful people, with this level of insanity and begging. I wonder how many of the hookers at Davos are Ukranian...
 
Sweden is giving CV90s to Ukraine.
https://www.defense-aerospace.com/n...ludes-cv90-armored-vehicles-archer-howitzers/

Advanced Heavy Weapons to Ukraine​

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STOCKHOLM --- The government has today presented a large support package to Ukraine in three parts. The package consists partly of a procurement collaboration, partly of an assignment to the Swedish Armed Forces to prepare the transfer of the Archer artillery system and partly of the largest package of defense equipment to date.

This consists of, among other things, grenade launchers and their ammunition, anti-tank launchers, automatic rifles and mine clearance equipment, CV 90 armored vehicles with ammunition and Robot 57 (NLAW) anti-tank missiles for a value of SEK 4.3 billion (approx. $419 million--Ed.)

Swedish-Ukrainian procurement cooperation

The Swedish Defense Materiel Agency, FMV, has received permission from the government to negotiate with the competent Ukrainian authority, and enter into international agreements, regarding, among other things, the procurement of defense materiel.
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Sweden will also provide Ukraine with an undisclosed number of CV90 infantry fighting vehicles, which along with German Marders and US Army Bradleys will give Ukrainian mechanized infantry units much better vehicles than the tracked BMPs and wheeled BTRs operated by Russian forces. (Swedish Army photo)



The agreement also includes cooperation on support in the construction and development of the procurement organization and procurement activities, as well as the exchange of information and experience in the field.

Transfer of artillery systems

The government has instructed the Armed Forces to prepare a gift of artillery pieces of the Archer B type with peripheral equipment and associated ammunition to Ukraine.

The armed forces are also instructed to present a timetable and the need for international cooperation for the preparation and transfer of current artillery pieces. The armed forces will also make an assessment of the required training on the artillery system.

In its report, the Armed Forces must also inform the government of the conditions for how the corresponding artillery pieces, peripheral equipment and ammunition are to be replaced and the cost of this. The armed forces must also make an assessment of possible risks if artillery pieces are lost or end up in the wrong hands and how this should be handled.

Large support package of defense equipment

The government intends to propose in a bill that Sweden should assist Ukraine with a large package of military equipment that the Swedish Armed Forces can spare for a limited time.

The package contains Carl Gustaf grenade launchers with ammunition, AT4 anti-tank rockets; anti-tank Robot 57 (NLAW) anti-tank missiles, automatic rifles, mine clearance equipment and CV 90 combat vehicles to a value of not more than SEK 4.3 billion.

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Damn, the swedes are really using this war as a massive advertisement for Swedish weapons. Wonder how long until they try sending gripens in the hope that a good performance would finally get them more than token export sales.
They should send PewDiePie for special bridge operations next
 
Damn, the swedes are really using this war as a massive advertisement for Swedish weapons. Wonder how long until they try sending gripens in the hope that a good performance would finally get them more than token export sales.
I kinda want to see how AMOS or NEMO mortars would do in combat zone.
 
Daily reminder: Both the US and the USSR used arms supplies to try to keep any side in the middle east from gaining too much advantage in the 50s/60/70s (and see how well that turned out). The US refused to sell fighters and newer model tanks to Israel, so they went to France for arms. basically any county in the eastern corner of the Mediterranean is very cognizant of not doing anything to fuck with their ability to get future arms sales from the major suppliers.

Making toothless motions in the UN will just create political slapfighting, but If they are sending bullets to Ukraine will be an issue the next time Israel needs to bypass UN sanctions and strike a deal with Russia.

This won't change anything - it was US arms & ammo simply being stored by our greatest ally - but Israel has to at least go through the act of being pissed.


I'm going to tl;dr this as both sides are avoiding a "Fuck around and find out " scenario. Russian mobilization is less a fear than Uzbek mobilization.

The US doesn't fear Russia going full mobilization so much as they fear Russia tapping their alliances and expanding the conflict.

Belarus has allowed Russian forces to transit their territory, and used their facilities to train Russian troops, and iirc allowed Russia flights to leave their bases, but that's not too different from weapon shipments being allowed through Poland, or France training Ukrainian soldiers. Belarus has not become an active combatant and has limited the use of their territory, and Russia has been reluctant to use Belarus directly, i.e. a second push on Kiev, because if Belarus becomes an active belligerent in the conflict, that means the door is now open for another country to come in on the side of Ukraine and invade Belarus.

So if Ukraine is now able to deep strike into Russia, Putin will need to be seen as doing something and may get open support in the form of troops from the *stans. That means its now open for other countries to openly send troops to Ukraine... And that's how World Wars get started. And as the front line would be their homes, this is why Ukraine has been pushing for arms but not ground troops.

As @Fanatical Pragmatist points out the red lines for both sides have been shown to be more pink, but NATO had been reluctant to allow that one to get pushed, since giving Ukraine long-ranged weapons is a double edged sword.
Either you give them to Ukraine and hope you don't regret arming the brave fighters of the Yookajideen later, or you lease them in which case your are more responsible to every strike because you green lit each launch.


And advanced is less important than having the thing, being able to pull it apart and work on novel countermeasures.

Additionally, there is the issue is that someone else gets an Iskandr derivative, Russia's fingerprints are all over the deal. If Russia sells them a captured ATACM on the d/l, its easier for Russia to disavow their hand in it happening.
Kazakhstan was said to have refused any requests from Moscow for troops, its Pres Tokayev refusing an official decoration, at a St Petersburg economic summit and mocked the FSB statelets. This was after Putin had probably saved his rule a bit early that year. Official propagandists making menacing comments regarding the Russian minority probably confirmed the pivot away. Azerbaijan has very much moved from the Russian orbit signing deals with the EU for gas and Aliyev making menacing noises towards the remaining Russian forces in Ngorno Karakabk. Uzbekistan seems very much like an isolationist post Soviet dictatorship with the workers who picks its cotton almost slaves, but unlike DPRK it has pivoted gently westwards after the death of Karimov. I would be suprised if Mirziyoyev, who like Tokayev has spearheaded a Latinization of the official language script (away from Cyrillic) would do much beyond some deal where he might get some cheap, cheap oil (which it has potentially but has been little tapped) in returns for shaking Putin's (if the little man still lives) hand and smiling, like India does where oil is shipped to it and sold at a loss. Sending troops to Ukraine would create unneeded problems for the Uzbekh dictator, I think.

 
Kazakhstan was said to have refused any requests from Moscow for troops, its Pres Tokayev refusing an official decoration, at a St Petersburg economic summit and mocked the FSB statelets. This was after Putin had probably saved his rule a bit early that year. Official propagandists making menacing comments regarding the Russian minority probably confirmed the pivot away. Azerbaijan has very much moved from the Russian orbit signing deals with the EU for gas and Aliyev making menacing noises towards the remaining Russian forces in Ngorno Karakabk. Uzbekistan seems very much like an isolationist post Soviet dictatorship with the workers who picks its cotton almost slaves, but unlike DPRK it has pivoted gently westwards after the death of Karimov. I would be suprised if Mirziyoyev, who like Tokayev has spearheaded a Latinization of the official language script (away from Cyrillic) would do much beyond some deal where he might get some cheap, cheap oil (which it has potentially but has been little tapped) in returns for shaking Putin's (if the little man still lives) hand and smiling, like India does where oil is shipped to it and sold at a loss. Sending troops to Ukraine would create unneeded problems for the Uzbekh dictator, I think.


There was articles posted earlier about the Czech president "REFUSING TO SEND AID TO UKRAINE" or some clickbait shit, and then when you read the article, you see that he just doesn't want to send fuel a forever war, since no one has given any end goals. And I think that's a reasonable position to hold, and about where the *Stans are.

Again, this is internet wonking so grain of salt, but there is a difference between just sending troops to the foreverwar and Moscow signing a full alliance which would almost certainly include exchanges of military technology & licenses for Russian arms, as well as civilian tech and removal/relaxing of tarifs.
Kazakhstan would happily murder some Ukrainians to tech up their Hydrocarbon and mining industries, and wouldn't need too care to much about pissing off the EU for a while because they can sell to China.
Uzbekistan (which I mainly pick as my CCCP satellite stand in because Uzbek is fun to say) was doing a Westward pivot until the government was rebuked for cracking down on protests and asked US troops to leave, and that's largely put an end to that. Uzbekistan is also sitting on a large percentage of the Afghan airforce when the pilots flew there and pretty much defected in the collapse; the hardware is still there as I recall, though without a supply of spareparts the blackhawks aren't very useful.
Kyrgyzstan was playing Russia and the US against each other for nearly a decade, but is now back in the Russosphere.
And Tajikistan no one cares about.

They are not exactly Russia puppets, but they know what side their bread is buttered on.

These countries don't have huge populations (and no borders with Ukraine) but we're looking at around another Ukraine in terms of population, and would probably be good to replace the ~100,000 casualties Russia has suffered so far.

This is also why taking some sort of objective like Bakhmut is important for Russia. Its going to be harder to drum up support for your cause while getting your shit pushed in by a country that on a good day is 1/4th your size regardless of the support its getting. Its a whole other thing to be going up against the combined forces of the Eurocucks and still prevailing.
 
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