Ben Shapiro / The Daily Wire - Commentator, Lawyer, Writer, WAP Sommelier, Vanquisher of SJWs, Podcast Host, Mara Wilson's cousin

[Vic Smackey]

Maybe they would've, but we aren't going to find out since he reacted how he did, and most importantly he even recorded their CEO straight up admitting that they're punishing their creators on behalf of media platforms like it's a given, which is everything you need to know they're compromised, really. We all fucking know what happens when people go against the accepted narrative on these platforms.

That's the part too many are overlooking and what I think has nudged Crowder to this crusade (one worthy of being waged). Most people agree with ConInc (GOPe, DW, Fox etc..) on social issues either completely, or that movement should be towards their direction . This attracts people to ConInc who make their views on social issues outward facing. The problem is ConIncs' views on economic issues which for them, takes prescience, are far closer to "80's guy" than most of their audience they attract. The likes of Shapiro care far more about tax breaks and making more money than issues related to the "culture war". However the majority of Americans, even conservative Americans loathe "80's guy".

So ConInc by their very nature are very easy to compromise as long as someone has lots of money. That's where Silicon Valley plays their role. Silicon Valley is less bothered about absolute profit maximisation (see Twitter) and more concerned with power, control and ideology, but they have A LOT of money. It makes sense from Silicon Valleys' point of view to negotiate with ConInc on how to best present social issues where ConInc enjoys the majority opinion. If I had to guess, ConInc has pretty much negotiated with Big Tech on what they are and aren't allowed to say. As Silicon Valley will gladly lose a bit of money to gain control and ConInc will gladly lose a bit of control to make money.

The main hurdle that the "Conservative movement" is facing right now is that their more popular stances on many issues can get snuffed out by Big Tech/Silicon Valley throttling reach. What should happen is that firms like DW shield prospect conservative creators from being financially throttled. In the long run this should benefit firms like DW as their prospects become stars and attract massive numbers of subscribers and customers. There are a few reasons why the DW isn't taking the long view and they are all pretty damning. Firstly (and most likely) they have reached an agreement with Big Tech to extend their throttling by proxy. Second, they are just incompetent and think that jewing their prospects is a good idea both for them and the movement. And last (least likely) they are competent and are just grifters who wholesale lie about their real values.

So I support Crowder here, as addressing the conservative extension of the Big Techs' censorship regime is far important than keeping the peace and getting along. I'm aware that Crowder recording the phone call was a little shady, but I have news for you. The whole contract business was shady and being shady with people who from the looks of things are very shady, is actually, quite reasonable.

 

[AgendaPoster]

DW is a company with investors and a board. The founders and executives all answer to the board. The board has power to force things if they lose confidence in the company's leadership.
Shapiro and Jeremy have the power to give Crowder the deal he wants, however if they did, and it ends up being a bad move (ie getting their main channel taken down), the board has the power and reason to severely limit the company leadership's power. I don't think they would force any of the founders to quit since their brand is a big part of the value of the company, but they can force their own babysitter to be hired in an executive role and make sure leadership is not doing anything that the board doesn't approve of. That is exactly what happened at one of my previous companies when the CEO forced through the acquisition of his friend's company and that decision eventually ended up fucking everything up.

Everyone in this topic needs to answer one question.
What is more important, promoting an ideology you believe in and using your money to do it, even if it might incur a financial loss, or the profit for shareholders/investors reigns supreme over all other considerations.

 

[Bolo_the_Second]

Everyone in this topic needs to answer one question.
What is more important, promoting an ideology you believe in and using your money to do it, even if it might incur a financial loss, or the profit for shareholders/investors reigns supreme over all other considerations.

Without Shareholders and investors you won't get nowhere near the amount of money to put out a product that promotes your ideology, And I mean actual product, with production value and distribution that can be seen by the mainstream audiences.

You can keep yourself pure in your convictions and deny any money that might change that, but you'll remain doing shows in small sets, with spirit of halloween costumes and keep the same circle jerking talking hosts and interviews and never change a thing.

Not saying DW is a bastion of right wing ideology, I honestly don't care much about North American politics or DW, but they are making waves in a environment has been dominated by the left, with the exception of Fox News, which is the reason why so many people think the american Right, or republicans for that matter, are a monolith.

 

[AgendaPoster]

Without Shareholders and investors you won't get nowhere near the amount of money to put out a product that promotes your ideology, And I mean actual product, with production value and distribution that can be seen by the mainstream audiences.

You can keep yourself pure in your convictions and deny any money that might change that, but you'll remain doing shows in small sets, with spirit of halloween costumes and keep the same circle jerking talking hosts and interviews and never change a thing.

Not saying DW is a bastion of right wing ideology, I honestly don't care much about North American politics or DW, but they are making waves in a environment has been dominated by the left, with the exception of Fox News, which is the reason why so many people think the american Right, or republicans for that matter, are a monolith.

OK, so money first, but with an explanation why.
Just to be clear I understand the motivation and everything.
I also know that embracing capitalism and money will erode your convictions and lead to many, many compromises with the other side, as they'll often be able to increase your profits. And they are never, ever enough. Grow, grow, grow. Hire more talent. Buy another studio.
Yet you will always be caught within the trap of the system, and unable to promote anything outside the tacitly agreed upon boundaries.
This is why criticizing Israel is not a thing on DW and never will be on mainstream media. This is why Jordan Peterson, on DW, had questions and advice for every group but Jews. This is why his interview with Netanyahu was a promotion of Zionism without any critical angle.
This is why they promote free markets, but not free American people, i.e. freedom of association where you can decide you don't want to hire or serve blacks, for example.
This is why they never talk about which books were burned by the Nazis.
This is why Matt Walsh has conveniently lied about when the tranny shit started to get promoted, so he skipped the whole Weimar/Magnus Hirschfeld era in his speeches, because mentioning it means telling the story of Nazis doing cancel culture on trannies and degenerates and successfully fighting their infestation, unlike current year conservatives.
It goes on, and on, and on. And no, I'm not a wignat or Nazi. A lot of my posts are in the TRS/NJP lolcow thread pointing their lies and propaganda out.
I simply like truth and dislike degeneracy.
You want a lot of money, great, but you will be trapped.

 

[SpergioLeonne]

Everyone in this topic needs to answer one question.
What is more important, promoting an ideology you believe in and using your money to do it, even if it might incur a financial loss, or the profit for shareholders/investors reigns supreme over all other considerations.

Crowder has a million Rumble subs in addition to his six gorillion YouTube subs.

If he believes what he says about “ConInc,” then why would he damage the message with this poorly executed schtick that’s transparently hypocritical and about money?

He literally segued straight into his 537th pitch to his paypigs about how this proves they need to sign up to mugclub v3.23.107 to “fight for conservative values.”

Trying to paint DW as a gatekeeper is dumb, because everyone out there is self made in the first place. A contract with DW would NEVER increase Stethan Cralphs’ profile. He has more subscribers than any of them already. He just is demanding that they give him money to make up for his dumb decision of selling his mug club multiple times already.

When the dust of denial settles, he’s going to be worth LESS than if he had just grown a sack and struck out on his own instead of begging and getting asshurt. He leveraged his credibility.

 

[Weeb_Killer]

Can one of you spergs sum up what's been happening in one/two sentences? I've tried watching videos on the subject but I'll be fucked if I'm gonna watch a 30 minute video on a fall out between a couple of zionist grifters

 

[SpergioLeonne]

Can one of you spergs sum up what's been happening in one/two sentences? I've tried watching videos on the subject but I'll be fucked if I'm gonna watch a 30 minute video on a fall out between a couple of zionist grifters

Timeline:

In october Crowders’ agent solicited DW to make him an offer before it was publicly known he was leaving the Blaze

By mid November, DW decided to stop trying to negotiate because Crowder told them $12.5 million/ year was an insult, they should rip up the term sheet and start at $30 million/ year

December 12 2022 Crowder registered “stopbigcon.com”

Early January, Crowder texts Jeremy Boreing to ask if they can talk on the phone and secretly records it

Mid January, Crowder kicks this all off with a video about how evil Big Con is for gatekeeping conservativism even though he himself has bigger reach than DW

 

[wtfNeedSignUp]

Everyone in this topic needs to answer one question.
What is more important, promoting an ideology you believe in and using your money to do it, even if it might incur a financial loss, or the profit for shareholders/investors reigns supreme over all other considerations.

I wanted to write something more constrained, but fuck it, ready my black hat.

This entire all or nothing attitude the right has is retarded and a blight on the entire community. I've been following the right wing sphere on social media the last decade and EVERY single time it ends the following ways:
* The channel stops growing and becomes an echo chamber saying the same tired points forever.
* The channel dies after being caught as massive degenerate/psy ops/grifting.
* The channel tries going legit and is immediately destroyed in real life politics/economics.

The modern new right wing absolutely refuses to engage in optics, pummeling its head against the overton window and as result keeps being seen as a joke (or worse, a live strawman) and the window still moves to the left regardless. They saw Trump saying shit and thought that they'll get the same treatment as a man with fuck you money.

Call Shapiro a grifter but so far he achieved more than the entire right wing sphere combined by having optics and making conservative media a thing, so parents will feel safe showing their children tv, without the fear it will groom them. And that also includes making a push back against trannies and offering contracts to people blacklisted for having the wrong opinions. The end goal is making conservative opinion legitimate again.

And the question you asked can be easily reversed on Crowder - What was the point of revealing the contract? It hurts the entire conservative movement by (for the billionth time) engaging in cannibalism, and his only achievement will be a small bump in viewers.

If the left will cover up for everyone with their opinion, even if it's outright sex pests, the right constantly self polices - You go too far, you are a fed. You don't stick to some arbitrary set of talking points, you are a grifter.

 

[Weeb_Killer]

Timeline:

In october Crowders’ agent solicited DW to make him an offer before it was publicly known he was leaving the Blaze

By mid November, DW decided to stop trying to negotiate because Crowder told them $12.5 million/ year was an insult, they should rip up the term sheet and start at $30 million/ year

December 12 2022 Crowder registered “stopbigcon.com”

Early January, Crowder texts Jeremy Boreing to ask if they can talk on the phone and secretly records it

Mid January, Crowder kicks this all off with a video about how evil Big Con is for gatekeeping conservativism even though he himself has bigger reach than DW

Ah so it's Crowder just acting the faggot again. Cheers for confirming my suspicions

I can't stand Steven and I don't get what his appeal is. At least Shapiro has some degree of intellect.

 

[AgendaPoster]

I wanted to write something more constrained, but fuck it, ready my black hat.

This entire all or nothing attitude the right has is retarded and a blight on the entire community. I've been following the right wing sphere on social media the last decade and EVERY single time it ends the following ways:
* The channel stops growing and becomes an echo chamber saying the same tired points forever.
* The channel dies after being caught as massive degenerate/psy ops/grifting.
* The channel tries going legit and is immediately destroyed in real life politics/economics.

The modern new right wing absolutely refuses to engage in optics, pummeling its head against the overton window and as result keeps being seen as a joke (or worse, a live strawman) and the window still moves to the left regardless. They saw Trump saying shit and thought that they'll get the same treatment as a man with fuck you money.

Call Shapiro a grifter but so far he achieved more than the entire right wing sphere combined by having optics and making conservative media a thing, so parents will feel safe showing their children tv, without the fear it will groom them. And that also includes making a push back against trannies and offering contracts to people blacklisted for having the wrong opinions. The end goal is making conservative opinion legitimate again.

And the question you asked can be easily reversed on Crowder - What was the point of revealing the contract? It hurts the entire conservative movement by (for the billionth time) engaging in cannibalism, and his only achievement will be a small bump in viewers.

If the left will cover up for everyone with their opinion, even if it's outright sex pests, the right constantly self polices - You go too far, you are a fed. You don't stick to some arbitrary set of talking points, you are a grifter.

Not completely incorrect. But Ben has achieved more not because optics, but because he is fucking sheltered by his pinnacle of the oppression pyramid Jewish identity.
I don't like Crowder, BTW. He's a useful tool against a large cuckservatard corporation though, so I'll take that.
And take the post you replied to as example of the Overton window.
Did I lie?
Did I call anyone a slur?
Did I demand some group to be oppressed, destroyed, genocided?
Did I put in it any unreasonable demands that were not a thing during the LIBERAL era of the 90s?
I assume you'd agree I didn't do any of that.
Yet my post would result in my account being closed on almost any mainstream platform, simply because of noticing patterns, even if I do it in a civilized manner.
These lies cannot continue, sorry.

 

[SpergioLeonne]

Ah so it's Crowder just acting the faggot again. Cheers for confirming my suspicions

I can't stand Steven and I don't get what his appeal is. At least Shapiro has some degree of intellect.

Yeah, Ben pisses me off, or has traditionally pissed me off with a lot of his takes, but at least he literally did sue to prevent vaccine mandates for his staff. That’s an actual action, at least.

But the part I’m stuck on is how Crowder makes the claim that DW is somehow affecting things as a net negative when it literally does not have the power to gatekeep. All DW has is Ben Shapiro, Candace Owens, Matt Walsh, Michael Knowles, Jordan Peterson and some new guy I haven’t heard of.

Ben, Jordan, and Candace were all known on their own prior to the Daily Wire either existing or having anything to do with them. I admit to only having heard of Walsh and Knowles afterwards, but between them “what is a woman” is the only thing I can remember being significant between either of them. So DW is just trying to exist as a company and build out the capacity to make movies or something, right?

Crowder is Crowder, and there’s nothing he really stood to gain. Of course he could make more money from his own followers than he could expect DW to pay him for making the money off his followers for him. DW was never an obstacle to anything Crowder wanted to do and it’s weird to pretend they were

 

[The Saltening]

Ah so it's Crowder just acting the faggot again. Cheers for confirming my suspicions

I can't stand Steven and I don't get what his appeal is. At least Shapiro has some degree of intellect.

this a retarded take. its almost like you need to watch knights watch's 3 hour video to understand just how fucking terrible the contract was. you literally can not sum it up in a few sentences without misleading the entire thing.

 

[mandatorylurk]

Fuck, Trump did more for the right and did so coming out of absolutely nowhere than Shapiro has done, a guy who Shapiro swore up and down would be the end of the party.

 

[Weeb_Killer]

this a retarded take. its almost like you need to watch knights watch's 3 hour video to understand just how fucking terrible the contract was. you literally can not sum it up in a few sentences without misleading the entire thing.

I have a thing called "a life". Like fuck I'm going to watch a 3hr video on some nonsense beef between two internet personalities.

Besides, if you don't like the contract, here's an idea; don't fucking sign it.

 

[The Saltening]

I have a thing called "a life". Like fuck I'm going to watch a 3hr video on some nonsense beef between two internet personalities.

Besides, if you don't like the contract, here's an idea; don't fucking sign it.

"I don't know what is going on so I will just believe some skewed untrue version because it is shorter and I don't actually care what happened"

Fixed it for you.

There is a reason he made it public. If you actually looked into it then it would make sense. If you don't care about what happened then why ask at all? It is almost like not everything can be condensed into a tik tok length format.

 

[Iron Hamster]

Ah so it's Crowder just acting the faggot again.

It would be if DW didn't out themselves as Crowder never mentioned them. If they had let Crowder just hang there, it would have been funny.

 

[Blobby's Murder Knife]

Crowder just comes off as a turbo grifter in this. He has known the (()) for years, he knew fully what working for the DW would be about, he demanded way more money than what the (()) would negotiate for because...well...more than double the money a year is a lot and I can see why the DW told him to pound sand. However, they knew it was in their best business interest to keep things civil as there is a lot of crossover between Crowder and DW. Both could continue to drive subs to the other. Crowder is a fucking moron who never fully considered this. Also DW was just keeping intact his current business model which is that he would have a public censored show (which is already demonetized, lol, a point of serious negotiation) and then a DW+ exclusive 30-60 minutes where he could say and do whatever he wanted. I think them mentioning that was really what drove me to thinking Crowder needs a kick in the nuts. Besides the ad reads, basically everything else about the model he is running would stay the same. It was also scummy of him to have Boring call him only in an attempt to get him to say things that he could easily soundbite over a recorded line. WTF? Jews going to Jew but somehow Crowder made himself look way worse.

 

[anustart76]

I still say Crowder's in the right, the only thing questionable here is his actual behavior: the secret recording and registering the site before the phone call, and maybe acting overly aggressive with the initial video. Looking at the numbers and terms, the contract DW was offering was incredibly one-sided, with Crowder effectively assuming all the risk for what would probably be a loss financially, considering he'd be responsible for all production costs. He's not a small operation, he has something like 30 employees. The most entertaining part of this by far though, has been the Candace Owens meltdown. Seeing her ranting on Tim Pool was gave me Jack Murphy flashbacks.

Anyway, dropping off some memes here.

 

[TheRaptorJesus]

I don't understand why candice took this so personal. She kept referring to DW as "we"; like she has any say on the goings on. I think she was upset at the amount crowder was offered because she got lowballed. Boring was the one who called new people "wage slaves".

 

[anustart76]

I don't understand why candice took this so personal. She kept referring to DW as "we"; like she has any say on the goings on. I think she was upset at the amount crowder was offered because she got lowballed. Boring was the one who called new people "wage slaves".

Yeah, Nick Rekieta was speculating it was because she got a shit deal and didn't call it out the way Crowder did, and now she's upset about it. I think she also likely has some beef with Crowder historically though.