Star Wars Griefing Thread (SPOILERS) - Safety off

starborn427614 said:
Corrupt? Probably not. Naive and ironically shortsighted is closer to how I'd describe the Jedi.
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Agreed. They're more akin to the guy who goes on routine, punching in his time card and blindly following the boss at work without thinking twice about what's going on. The worst thing one can say about them is that they didn't realize you can't serve two masters, and when given the choice between following the Light Side and following the Republic, they chose the latter, and got fucked for it. But that doesn't make them evil or corrupt, that just makes them blind, naive, and stupid, especially with how they handled the Chosen One. I remember this bit from the 2003 cartoon where the Jedi Council is debating after the whole Grievous thing in Hypori, and Ki-Adi-Mundi says something along the lines of "in this time of need, why do we hold back the Chosen One?" If they treated him with full trust and faith, he'd have sided with Windu over Sidious, but them screwing that up doesn't mean they were corrupt. There's a difference between someone who screws up something at work due to mismanagement, and someone who is actively screwing people over for his own personal gain.
 
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I don't think it's possible to create a topic for me to give less than a shit about than "was Faction A or Fictional Warrior Group B morally justified". Spergs have debated this about the Empire, about the Mandos, about Jedi...as if there's some actual philosophizing or armchair posturing to be had over who has the moral high ground, the Cosmic Samurai or the Space Spartans.

It's, like, bitch...they're not real.

The only thing that matters is what makes for a good or engaging character in each faction or sect...something that, even after pinching hordes of forgettable Jedi characters, Filoni has yet to grasp or accomplish in his utter joke of a career.
 
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What did people think the Jedi Order was like in the timeframe of the prequels and why the Jedi fell before the prequels actually came out?
 
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Mississippi Motorboater said:
I don't think it's possible to create a topic for me to give less than a shit about than "was Faction A or Fictional Warrior Group B morally justified". Spergs have debated this about the Empire, about the Mandos, about Jedi...as if there's some actual philosophizing or armchair posturing to be had over who has the moral high ground, the Cosmic Samurai or the Space Spartans.

It's, like, bitch...they're not real.

The only thing that matters is what makes for a good or engaging character in each faction or sect...something that, even after pinching hordes of forgettable Jedi characters, Filoni has yet to grasp or accomplish in his utter joke of a career.
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The difference is, we're not talking about whether or not the Jedi were right, we're talking about whether or not the Jedi were corrupt.

The difference between someone who is corrupt and a regular incompetent is that the latter is loyal, just not the brightest bulb in the closet. Corrupt people tend to be somewhat smart, and they use their smarts to manipulate the system to benefit themselves at the cost of others.

The Jedi fit the former category, not the latter. They accept getting blue-balled, they accept becoming emotionless robots, they accept not having the right to inherit or bequeath landed property to an heir, if the Jedi were corrupt, there'd be no reason for them to deny themselves carnal pleasures or personal wealth. Instead, all we see is wealth held in common among an order of lemmings who sacrifice themselves for the sake of the public good, who were too gullible or too incompetent to see the coming doom that awaited them.

Sneed F91 said:
What did people think the Jedi Order was like in the timeframe of the prequels and why the Jedi fell before the prequels actually came out?
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During the Prequels, some people accepted their authority, others did not. (see: the Baby Ludi case) Some just accepted handing over Force-sensitive kids to the Jedi because the Jedi ensure peace. Others questioned why an order such as theirs should get extralegal status, tax money, and starfighters. People on the Separatist side, especially, veer towards the latter, while on the surface, Republic citizens were the former, until a certain popular politician who kept getting re-elected accused the Jedi of treason, activating Order 66 and had them all eradicated. And since the Senate went along with him.........it seems that there were some pent-up aggression the people had towards the Jedi before they went down.
 
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Ghostse said:
Couldn't happen to a nicer company.
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The best thing about this is that this is all happening amidst a furious investor battle within the company, the likes of which haven't been seen since the 2004 "Save Disney" campaign.

I haven't talked a great deal about here, since this isn't exactly a Disney Thread per se, but the gist of it is that a notorious corporate raider who has close to a billion dollars in Disney Stock has teamed up with former Marvel CEO Ike Perlmutter to force his way onto Disney's Board of Directors, stating the company's recent financial blunders as a "historic failure" (which, considering Disney's stock value fell into its worst state since its all-time low in the 1970's, isn't really an exaggeration). He's battling with good ol' Bob Iger as we speak, with the company firing back defense after defense to dampen this investor revolt, with limp-dicked defenses like "muh COVID", and "w-well, that Avatar movie did really well" and the most bizarre counter-strategy of all, to indoctrinate and school their in-house writers to write movie scripts that better cater to the cultural norms and sensibilities of Communist China.

This probably isn't going to have a massive effect on SW in terms of their usual banal streaming content about Armored Assholes engaging in aimless side quests, but I think it'll have a more serious impact on their future film plans.
Not helped by the fact that on top of the growing briar patch of unrealized Star Wars film projects that have been announced at this point, Rian Johnson recently declared that his next film project is Knives Out 3...yet again postponing that elusive trilogy of his for what'll probably be another five years.

Not to worry, I'm certain Patty Jenkins' unnamed film, Taika Waititi's unnamed film,, Damon Lindelof's unnamed film, Shaw Levy's unnamed film, or Kevin Feige's unnamed film can fill in that slot.

"No better time to be a Star Wars fan", amirite, guise?
 
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LORD IMPERATOR said:
Thoughts? It's a Filoni tradition to bash the Jedi as corrupt, but he was far from being alone in that regard. I'm pretty sure Karen Traviss would've agreed with him, albeit for far different reasons.
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I'm a big believer in pendulum effects. Jedi get bashed all the time, primarily because a lot of people think religion is icky and they're like a cult for having established beliefs. So hopefully we're starting to see the other school of thought become more prominent to counter all this Grey Jedi stuff.
 
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Gondolindrim said:
I'm a big believer in pendulum effects. Jedi get bashed all the time, primarily because a lot of people think religion is icky and they're like a cult for having established beliefs. So hopefully we're starting to see the other school of thought become more prominent to counter all this Grey Jedi stuff.
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To be fair, that's very accurate. A lot of this Jedi-bashing came about in the 2000s when atheist movements were having a slow start in the West and religious people went from respected authority figures to people getting caught in scandals.

As for Grey Jedi, they never struck me as effective. Jolee had some pearls of wisdom, but he was hiding out like a hobo instead of helping people out there in the galaxy, and Kreia is too spiteful to even bother being dark or light. Be a kind person? She hates you. Be an asshole? She hates you. That grey Jedi shit never made much sense. I have more respect for those who go full Light or Dark. Like with Master Fay from the Clone Wars comics, or Darths Vader and Sidious. At least they chose a path and dedicated themselves to it.
 
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Mississippi Motorboater said:
I haven't talked a great deal about here, since this isn't exactly a Disney Thread per se, but the gist of it is that a notorious corporate raider who has close to a billion dollars in Disney Stock has teamed up with former Marvel CEO Ike Perlmutter to force his way onto Disney's Board of Directors, stating the company's recent financial blunders as a "historic failure" (which, considering Disney's stock value fell into its worst state since its all-time low in the 1970's, isn't really an exaggeration). He's battling with good ol' Bob Iger as we speak, with the company firing back defense after defense to dampen this investor revolt, with limp-dicked defenses like "muh COVID", and "w-well, that Avatar movie did really well" and the most bizarre counter-strategy of all, to indoctrinate and school their in-house writers to write movie scripts that better cater to the cultural norms and sensibilities of Communist China.
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What are some implications or changes that can happen now that they're on the board? It seems that Disney is in for some serious trouble with anger mounting over the lessened quality of the the theme parks, them running out of animated movies to remake(doubt they have the balls to do Black Cauldron) and now Star Wars/Marvel are on their way out in terms of popularity.
 
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Mississippi Motorboater said:
"w-well, that Avatar movie did really well"
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I wonder how much Disney is going to focus on Avatar 2 making all this money to distract from how Star Wars continues to flounder as a TV franchise? It did way better than I thought it was going to in terms of box office, but I have no idea if they're going to try to use Avatar to keep themselves afloat as their new tentpole. It really sucks how even if one franchise does worse than expected Disney can just fall back on another one of the hundreds they own.
Mississippi Motorboater said:
"No better time to be a Star Wars fan", amirite, guise?
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To be fair I haven't heard anyone spout that insipid phase since before TLJ came out. The Star Wars fandom back in 2016 was obnoxious.
Grave Ghost said:
them running out of animated movies to remake(doubt they have the balls to do Black Cauldron)
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After The Little Black Mermaid they're making Lilo and Stich, Hercules and a sequel to the Lion King remake (jfc). They won't do Black Cauldron because they don't have the rights to it iirc and they refuse to acknowledge it exists because it flopped. They've only made live action remakes to the animated movies that made money. The crazy thing is the TBC could use a remake to do the story justice, but I refuse to believe Disney won't absolutely fuck it up and pray that they never do it.
 
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The Decimator said:
So what’s The Lion King sequel going to be a remake of? Simba’s Pride?
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Simba's Pride Parade.

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Nala FtM's under advice from the hyenas who are well versed in such things; Ed comes out explicitly as asexual during this sequence. Scar comes back as Scarlette; all of his previous bad acts were the result of the gender binary forcing him to deny his truth. Nala and Scarlette try to convince Simba that the patriarchy is toxic, he resists until he is shown the truth by James Earl Jone's digital zombie who reveals Mufasa was gay. Simba realizes that like his uncle he was also a lioness this whole time, and dyes & shaves his mane into a blue/green undercut while forgiving Scarlette as he is shown explicitly on the screen how to order hormones on the internet and hide them from parents, then how to inject them.

Simba declares an end to the horrible practice of determining cubs' sex at birth, and announces that instead of the racist circle of life they will now only celebrate the gender spectum. To commemorate this, there will be the first pride parade, and all the creatures work together to build the float and return the Hyena's stolen land to them.
The float rides through the pride lands. At the top of the float, Timon is in a biker leather daddy outfit, with Pumba in a gimp suit, and they fuck (Timon is a power bottom).

All the animals clap at how stunning and brave they both are, and Simba & Nala leave Scarlette unsupervised with their young children.
 
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Grave Ghost said:
What are some implications or changes that can happen now that they're on the board? It seems that Disney is in for some serious trouble
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I wouldn't anticipate the company undergoing some massive overhaul, but I would expect things to return somewhat to the 2010-2015 output of media and park supervision...that being, still obnoxious, poorly-made, and suffocatingly-corporate, but with more critical voices leashing them in and forcing them to be accountable. You might notice these last couple of years, Disney and their corporate overlords have shrugged off almost all criticism and negative press about their failures from theme parks to shrinking financial returns on films--almost displaying an arrogance, a handwave at investor meetings and financial reports, as if operating under the mentality that they're too big to fail. "Oh, what's that? Onward, Lightyear and Strangeworld all bombed? No worries! The MCU and all the fatass consoomers at the Theme Parks will make all that money back for us!" The growth of both of these and domination of several markets has allowed this mindset of theirs to bloat, and essentially block out or handwave the dissenting voices of disgruntled shareholders. Everyone at the highest level stays safe, executive grunts like Catherine Powell take the fall for their failures, and they get to continue the trainwreck without anyone on the board of directors twisting their arm.

I say all this because one of the major sticking points by both Peltzer and Perlmutter in their activist shareholder outcry is that they believe that Bob Iger spent a great deal of his time as CEO evading accountability, arranging things to benefit him and his ilk handsomely, and above all else, avoiding having to answer to anyone. Where his predecessor Eisner accepted a cut to his salary when the company was underperforming, Iger tripled his salary. Where Chapek was forced to take most of his hired hands with him on the way out, Iger is currently placing people who will work to his best interests to stay rooted in key parts of the company after he leaves...effectively stamping his influence in these branches of the company and appointing people loyal to him in top positions, despite the fact that he's supposed to be on his way out. It's these actions that would only be stymied if someone from outside the Disney echo chamber was on the board of directors, and not just one of Iger's sycophants...which is precisely what both Iger and the company are racing desperately to prevent.

In fact, if you want to know why Ike Perlmutter in particular is part of this investor war, it's because he himself was burned by Iger's sneaky tactics when he had control wrested from him over the Marvel films, in one of many moves that has allowed Disney to grow insular and sceptic like a toenail, creating an echo chamber that placates to internal decisions and interests. And if you want to know the end result of Disney exercising more control and ousting Marvel's original top execs, the article paints a pretty clear picture:

In his memoir, Iger wrote that Perlmutter had stood in the way of Marvel’s first films with Black and female leads. “I called Ike and told him to tell his team to stop putting up roadblocks and ordered that we put both Black Panther and Captain Marvel into production,” Iger wrote.​

This is not to say Perlmutter is some kind of saint; he did a fair share of his own cutthroat corporate damage to Marvel...but it's clear that his focus was solely on profit, and would never compromise profitability or alienation of foreign markets in pursuit of chasing social and political trends...which is precisely the situation Disney finds itself in now, with most of its Marvel films banned in China thanks to them aggressively pursuing the likes of Black Widow, Eternals and soon crap like The Marvels. No inside voice has been there to slap down this prioritization of trend-chasing over profit, and no one has deigned to sabotage the board of directors to become that voice....until now. If Peltzer and Perlmutter get their way, there will be a loud opposing voice on the inside that will force them to be more of a cutthroat business that prioritizes safe returns like their rivals at Warner Bros., and take David Zazlav-tier measures in axing whole projects and throwing PR to the wind to meet shareholder interests.

Make no mistake: the quality will not improve. In fact, we'll probably start seeing more of the banal, "safe" projects they were belting out before, like their 2010's assembly live-action crap like those Burton Alice in Wonderland films, Tron: Legacy, the Pirates sequels, Oz the Great and Powerful, Wrinkle in Time, and of course, plenty of soulless remakes like Lion King and Mulan. They will continue to dick-ride social trends and cringe politics, race-swapping and defiling source material galore. But unlike the last five years, they won't be able to shit out those kind of productions with the frequency, the carelessness, and the dismissal for financial repercussions as before. Someone will be holding their feet to the fire, making greater demands for course-correction and executive firings every time something goes wrong.

That is, of course, if all of this comes to pass. It's too early to say.

Grave Ghost said:
them running out of animated movies to remake(doubt they have the balls to do Black Cauldron)
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Oh, they certainly lack the balls to adapt The Black Cauldron in live-action. And what makes that doubly-frustrating is that no other studio can attempt to adapt the series of fantasy novels it was based on, either.

Disney purchased the film rights to Lloyd Alexander's Chronicles of Prydain novels all the way back in 2015, and they not only have done fuck all with them, they're just sitting on those rights like eggs, preventing any other studio from taking a stab at re-doing a more faithful adaptation.

It's such a bitch move; they aren't willing to do anything with those rights themselves, and they're obstructing anyone else from doing anything with that material either. When I say this shithouse company is more than just a plague on stuff like Marvel and Star Wars, this is what I'm talking about.
 
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This is not to say Perlmutter is some kind of saint; he did a fair share of his own cutthroat corporate damage to Marvel...but it's clear that his focus was solely on profit, and would never compromise profitability or alienation of foreign markets in pursuit of chasing social and political trends...which is precisely the situation Disney finds itself in now, with most of its Marvel films banned in China thanks to them aggressively pursuing the likes of Black Widow, Eternals and soon crap like The Marvels. No inside voice has been there to slap down this prioritization of trend-chasing over profit, and no one has deigned to sabotage the board of directors to become that voice....until now. If Peltzer and Perlmutter get their way, there will be a loud opposing voice on the inside that will force them to be more of a cutthroat business that prioritizes safe returns like their rivals at Warner Bros., and take David Zazlav-tier measures in axing whole projects and throwing PR to the wind to meet shareholder interests.

Make no mistake: the quality will not improve. In fact, we'll probably start seeing more of the banal, "safe" projects they were belting out before, like their 2010's assembly live-action crap like those Burton Alice in Wonderland films, Tron: Legacy, the Pirates sequels, Oz the Great and Powerful, Wrinkle in Time, and of course, plenty of soulless remakes like Lion King and Mulan. They will continue to dick-ride social trends and cringe politics, race-swapping and defiling source material galore. But unlike the last five years, they won't be able to shit out those kind of productions with the frequency, the carelessness, and the dismissal for financial repercussions as before. Someone will be holding their feet to the fire, making greater demands for course-correction and executive firings every time something goes wrong.

That is, of course, if all of this comes to pass. It's too early to say.
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I didn't hate Tron:Legacy, so if we go back to boringly safe shit instead of queers and niggers every 5 feet, good.

I'm excited to see Disney putting out literal ChiCom propaganda.
 
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