Microsoft is fucking butthurt no one wants Windows 11 so they're stopping the sale of Windows 10 licenses this month

I just want something that doesn't feel like it's either held by glue and piss or hasn't had an update in 20 years.
These are mutually exclusive concepts, though, and it's not just operating systems - every relevant piece of software that's been regularly updated through the years necessarily has so much legacy and compatibility cruft that it's all held together by piss and glue.

The fact that anything ever works nowadays is a small miracle.
 
Welcome to 2013, get with the times or be trampled. This shit is nothing new sadly.

Been dailying Linux for 6 years and I only use win 10 for a few games that don't work and for racing sims due to hardware support. Not "upgrading" to 11 ever for any reason. Either Linux will support it by then or I'll cut my losses.
I'm doing something similar as my Linux OS of choice is Zorin. I'm too old and too tired going back to being a code monkey so if it feels like Windows 7 then I'm in.
I pray linux devs get their shit together by 2025.
Heh, They haven't got their shit together since 2001. And that Holier than Thou attitude from many of the DEV's well they need to have their dicks removed and have them choke on them.

Yea seen this happened first hand.
 
They're forcing people off of 7 by making every browser not work with it, they didn't do that to XP, oddly enough
They're doing this specifically so they don't have a repeat of XP. XP proper remained in support until 2014, and its more specialized variants until 2019. Given XP came out in 2001, that's eighteen years of support, the longest any version of Windows has ever been supported. It even beat Windows 1.0 by a year!

12? More like Windows 360. Or Operating System Product.
Unironically, this is where I believe Microsoft will ultimately take the entire Windows family. You don't see it so much on the consumer/home front yet, but if you connect the dots in the business world the picture becomes crystal clear. For years, Microsoft has had a product called Azure Active Directory which copies your company's domain information to Azure so your employees have a single, company-managed signon for Exchange Server, Teams, Office 365, and anything else that can hook AAD. Microsoft Intune is their cloud-manage device management system, which I think another Kiwi said they're working hard to obsolete Group Policy and get people to migrate over to Intune. I have not used Intune yet, so I don't know what it can do beyond what the marketing retards say.

The two things you will want to pay close attention to over the coming years is Windows 365 and Microsoft Pluton. Windows 365 effectively is a Windows VM running in Azure that you just connect to through Remote Desktop Protocol. You pay so much per month for cloud-hosted VMs, and let Microsoft take care of maintenance and the power bill. All you need is a thin client to get connected. Microsoft Pluton has been brought up on the Farms before, but it's a security chip like a TPM that so far has remained completely unbroken - a precursor to Pluton apparently was first introduced in the Xbox One, and to date nobody has ever broken the Xbox One.

I believe we're going to start seeing little terminals take over the market that are wholly dependent on Azure AD for authentication, Intune for management and configuration, OneDrive for storage, Windows 365 as the OS, and Pluton to ensure you don't hack your terminal to get free service or to make it into a little Linux box. And all of this, of course, for a monthly fee. And if you say bad words on the Internet, expect Microsoft to brick your terminal, erase all your data, and ban you for life from the service.

It asks you like 20 questions before you even hit the desktop for the first time. Then tries to get you to sign up for Office 365, OneDrive, and Xbox Game Pass.
I think you can bypass all of this with an unattended answer file. Never used one; for now on Windows 11 Pro disconnecting from all networks entirely and using the Shift + F10 and OOBE /BYPASSNRO backdoor is still good enough for me.
 
What exactly is so bad about Windows 11, especially compared to 10? The only place I've ever touched it is a few display models in Best Buy and Target in spite of working in IT (we can't justify updating if it's still officially supported) and I've used Linux as my daily driver before Windows 7 was even a thing. All I can say about it is that it looked like the baby that came out of a KDE, Xfce, and Microsoft threesome.
 
People are not installing Win11 as much as M$ wants them to not because it's bad and to be avoided, but because it's too much alike Win10 but you also need a TPM.
Most of these normie rely on Windows Update for a new OS, so they are oblivious to various ways to remove the TPM (and other) requirements, they have no idea how to get an ISO that's genuine, how to Rufus it to a USB since it's larger than a DVD and DVD drives are obsolete and more.
So they end up getting stuck.
Microshit needs to hire smarter people to guide them through OS releases and how to increase adoption.
Also don't buy Windows, are you fucking insane? You literally can generate an account bound, HWID activation that will work forever and be kept through reinstalls.
 
What exactly is so bad about Windows 11, especially compared to 10? The only place I've ever touched it is a few display models in Best Buy and Target in spite of working in IT (we can't justify updating if it's still officially supported) and I've used Linux as my daily driver before Windows 7 was even a thing. All I can say about it is that it looked like the baby that came out of a KDE, Xfce, and Microsoft threesome.
The biggest complaint since day one has been the TPM 2.0 and the arbitrary Intel Kaby Lake/AMD Zen minimum requirements leaving billions of older but still serviceable PCs stranded. Since Windows 11 came out, I have also noticed that Microsoft is hard at work effectively making core components of the OS - like the taskbar and parts of Explorer - into Electron webapps. Seriously, install Windows 11 in a VM without Internet, pull up Task Manager, and you'll see a few dozen MSEDGE.EXE processes running in the background. Kill them, and bits of the UI start breaking.

Microsoft somehow also fucked up the window manager in Windows 11 where if you have a program that's maximized and you want to close it, sometimes the click phases through the active window and kills the window behind what you actually wanted to close. I blame the rounded corners.
 
Unironically, this is where I believe Microsoft will ultimately take the entire Windows family. You don't see it so much on the consumer/home front yet, but if you connect the dots in the business world the picture becomes crystal clear. For years, Microsoft has had a product called Azure Active Directory which copies your company's domain information to Azure so your employees have a single, company-managed signon for Exchange Server, Teams, Office 365, and anything else that can hook AAD. Microsoft Intune is their cloud-manage device management system, which I think another Kiwi said they're working hard to obsolete Group Policy and get people to migrate over to Intune. I have not used Intune yet, so I don't know what it can do beyond what the marketing retards say.

The two things you will want to pay close attention to over the coming years is Windows 365 and Microsoft Pluton. Windows 365 effectively is a Windows VM running in Azure that you just connect to through Remote Desktop Protocol. You pay so much per month for cloud-hosted VMs, and let Microsoft take care of maintenance and the power bill. All you need is a thin client to get connected. Microsoft Pluton has been brought up on the Farms before, but it's a security chip like a TPM that so far has remained completely unbroken - a precursor to Pluton apparently was first introduced in the Xbox One, and to date nobody has ever broken the Xbox One.

I believe we're going to start seeing little terminals take over the market that are wholly dependent on Azure AD for authentication, Intune for management and configuration, OneDrive for storage, Windows 365 as the OS, and Pluton to ensure you don't hack your terminal to get free service or to make it into a little Linux box. And all of this, of course, for a monthly fee. And if you say bad words on the Internet, expect Microsoft to brick your terminal, erase all your data, and ban you for life from the service.
I think they wanna do that. But I don't think it will actually happen. Its all dependent on internet access. What happens if some idiot cuts the demark cable for an entire building? I guess the company loses money. Sorry employees, go home. And even though companies like Dell and Lenovo would love to sell a cheap product at markup, they do depend business through support and repeated sales. So I don't think they would be happy to just sell a thin client only to major businesses and that's it. This idea you propose requires MS to flip the table over the tech sector house of cards is built upon and everyone being fine with it. I don't see it.

Also, nothing is unhackable. It just takes time and effort. The reason the Xbox One / Series hasn't been hacked is because Microsoft has provided ways, through a $20 dev account, to give people what they want if they hacked an xbox. Mainly emulation. Look at Sony. The PS3 wasn't hacked until they took Other OS away. The PS4, PS5, and Switch have all been hacked. Sony and Nintendo have probably poured millions into their security as well. Its just PCs are cheap and get great ports of console games. MS is the second fiddle to Sony & Nintendo in the console space. So its not worth the time and effort to hack the Xbox.

 
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Imagine even considering Windows 11 absolute laugh.

Linux is the way for anyone who values their own liberty and freedom. I recommend Manjaro for new users as it is a Arch distro with a simple way to manage software and install stuff easy, pretty much 99% of what runs on windows works on it. Actually nah Mint is probably the best place for new users to start, as it is even easier than Manjaro and just as nice in compatibility. The penguin has really been working hard to keep the autismo to a minimum, you no longer need to memorize and understand command lines perfectly to simply get a basic install going. And you can always count on the community to keep pumping out new stuff every day.
 
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I'm an IT Janny so I have to switch over 1300+ laptops to this garbage.

I fucking hate my life.

Kill me.
Does Win11 still refuse to run on any machine that doesn't have those special chips like what was happening when it was first released? If so, that can't be good for businesses to shell out a fuck-ton of money for new PC's even if they are under contract. Is the OS also still dependant on Edge at all times or is that no longer a thing?

Asking so I know what I'll be looking forward to.
 
I think they wanna do that. But I don't think it will actually happen. Its all dependent on internet access. What happens if some idiot cuts the demark cable for an entire building? I guess the company loses money. Sorry employees, go home.
You forget that all of these tech companies believe that 10Gbps service is commonplace to every home in America. Why else do we have 200GB day one game patches? And, everything that happens inside a business requires Internet access in some form these days anyway. Everything has some sort of "offline mode" that syncs your stuff back up to the cloud when Internet gets brought back online. Maybe these hypothetical Windows 365 terminals will offer a little bit of storage space for such a scenario. Microsoft also sells a product called Azure HCI which I think is intended to be an on-premises middleman between your local infrastructure and Azure? Everything I can find about Azure HCI is so full of marketing buzzwords I can't actually tell what Azure HCI is used for.

If Windows 365 for Home ever takes off, though, expect home users to be completely fucked if the Internet goes down.

Does Win11 still refuse to run on any machine that doesn't have those special chips like what was happening when it was first released? If so, that can't be good for businesses to shell out a fuck-ton of money for new PC's even if they are under contract. Is the OS also still dependant on Edge at all times or is that no longer a thing?

Asking so I know what I'll be looking forward to.
TPM 2.0 is sill a hard requirement in Windows 11, but it can by bypassed with registry tweaks. Microsoft is also hard at work rewriting the Windows 11 UI to run as a webapp, so Edge is still a hard dependency.
 
Imagine even considering Windows 11 absolute laugh.

Linux is the way for anyone who values their own liberty and freedom. I recommend Manjaro for new users as it is a Arch distro with a simple way to manage software and install stuff easy, pretty much 99% of what runs on windows works on it. Actually nah Mint is probably the best place for new users to start, as it is even easier than Manjaro and just as nice in compatibility. The penguin has really been working hard to keep the autismo to a minimum, you no longer need to memorize and understand command lines perfectly to simply get a basic install going. And you can always count on the community to keep pumping out new stuff every day.
I once made the mistake of recommending Manjaro to a non-technical friend. Then one day he brought his laptop to me and told me that he bricked his laptop by installing VLC. Never again will I recommend any Arch-based distro. Mint is solid but Fedora Silverblue is my distro of choice these days, even for my own use.
 
These are mutually exclusive concepts, though, and it's not just operating systems - every relevant piece of software that's been regularly updated through the years necessarily has so much legacy and compatibility cruft that it's all held together by piss and glue.

The fact that anything ever works nowadays is a small miracle.
If anything the current version of Windows is less held together by duct tape and spit than usual - one of the VERY few good things the migration off of XP and onto Vista accomplished is that it let them clear out 20 years of crusty NT 4.0 code that was totally holding the OS back.
Granted, just about everything they added is bullshit for entirely different reasons, but OSX carries more tech debt than Windows does at the moment.

I once made the mistake of recommending Manjaro to a non-technical friend. Then one day he brought his laptop to me and told me that he bricked his laptop by installing VLC. Never again will I recommend any Arch-based distro. Mint is solid but Fedora Silverblue is my distro of choice these days, even for my own use.
Fedora Silverblue is basically the Cadillac of Linux distros and if Gaben can ever get SteamOS to work as a better emulation layer than Wine it will immediately become my daily driver
 
Remember when Windows 10 came out and every retard said they would pry 7 out of their cold dead hands then those same retards started praising Windows 10?
Speaking as a Win7 dead-ender, the situation with Windows 10 has improved significantly since its initial release. You can debloat it and turn off most of the telemetry without having it all "grow back" at the next Windows update now. The initial FUD around LTSC versions has been debunked, and there are a lot of good tools, scripts, and tweaks available to secure your installation and get back to a Win7-style experience.

And let's be real, Win7 was no picnic toward the end. Microsoft kept slipping telemetry in with the Windows updates and if you didn't keep a constant eye on it and comb through blogs and forums to find out which "bad updates" to disable, you'd be in nearly as bad a place as a stock Win10 install.
 
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