Probably going to be more boring than that if Abrams end up there since the things need about 300 gallons of fuel for every 8 hours of operation.
Damn things will probably end up sitting around Kiev as static defenses like some modern version of this.
The AFU can simply bleed out the Russians until it becomes to untenable then retreat their troops onto the next defensive line.
Ohh noes how will Abrams NATO fans ever recover. One of the export (non depleted uranium armor, basically a fancy M63 Patton without all the goodies.) Abrams
Abrams are multifuel engines ie if it burns it runs, so anything from a confiscated fuel truck to camel piss can run an Abrams turbine tank. If you've talked to a table that's 8 hours per fuel cell. Most Abrams tend to run 2 cells about 16hours with a turbine engine. This means you have something that's about as loud as a vacuum cleaner vs something with a notoriously loud engine.Probably going to be more boring than that if Abrams end up there since the things need about 300 gallons of fuel for every 8 hours of operation.
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Again, if Ukraine failed to make good use of all their other tank resources, what makes you think that Abrams will magically make them not retarded? It's bigger, clumsier, and more complex than a T-72, but still blows up like one when hit with a 60-year-old ATGM.
yeah they do go through a lot of fuelProbably going to be more boring than that if Abrams end up there since the things need about 300 gallons of fuel for every 8 hours of operation.
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And I like how you all are literally begging to get rounded up, SBU style, to "bleed out" Russia. And before I get a few walls of text how no way they'd be drafted, I bet all those dead/POW Ukrainian grandpas thought so too.
damn dude am i making u seethe tht much tht u gotta put on the tinfoil? ive been lurking in this thread for ages and finally made an account. ur gonna ignore me, yet im the coward? this is a thread where u like to mock and dance on the graves of soldiers yet u dont even have the balls to argue on the internet.
Learn to spell, nigger.
You're the coward. You blocked someone.
That was another problem that came up in one of the videos from Douglas Macgregor Col that I can't seem to find now - The M1 Abrams uses a gas turbine, which guzzles fuel even when idling, so they usually have to shut it down if not in active use, and then start it up once needed, with all the drawbacks (time, the thing being in the cold etc etc)Probably going to be more boring than that if Abrams end up there since the things need about 300 gallons of fuel for every 8 hours of operation.
Ukraine didn't fail to make good use of their older generation T-62s and T-72 tanks. If anything they used them to good effect. Have you not paid attention to the Kharkiv and Kherson offensives. They were even able to double the size of their tank force by capturing Russian gear that was top tech circa 1998.
I mean last I checked how many people said we're going to kill and defeat those dumb HolHols only to have their future corpse pissed on by some Ukrainian neo Nazi fighting on his home turf. I'm not a Ukrainian or a Russian citizen here. I'm just a mutt (American for those who are boomers.) watching the shit show unfold. I have to say the mental gymnastics I keep seeing in this thread is Wonderful from both sides thinking Dumb vatnik zigger we will defeat them, or We will defeat those Gay Holhols only to find out both sides are stuck in the 21st century version of Verdun Unwilling to see that this war might end badly for everyone and no one wins on the map.
If Ukraine used their tank forces to good effect, where are those tank forces? In fact, where's the effect? All I see is a series of losses for Ukraine, burned tanks, and dead tank crews.
That's right blyat
When there are no more holhols to drive those Abrams, who's next into the meatgrinder? I do believe you're a mutt, with all that implies but you should read up on how small regional conflicts become world wide ones throughout history.
Вашими бы устами, бегемотик, да медок из бочки наворачивать.
Вашими бы устами, бегемотик, да медок из бочки наворачивать.
I am cautious to proclaim Russia's recent successes a decisive victory. Right now Ukraine has two lines of advance, one to counterattack and retake its recent territorial losses (unlikely), or to pummel Melitopol/Berdyansk/Mariupol to sever the land bridge to Crimea to checkmate it. This will effectively roll back the entire war to February, 2022 status quo, and that's where these leopards will most likely be going... Assuming they go anywhere at all, that is.
Russia, on the other hand, has dozens of potential assault venues. Round and round it goes... But it won't be a blitzkrieg. Do you really expect the entire thing to be over in six to eight months? I am not trying to mock you, this is a serious question. Odessa street raids aside, Ukraine does not appear to be hurting for manpower, and the gibs keep on coming.
That's what I am talking about. Melitopol/Berdyansk/Mariupol is the southern front, the land bridge to Crimea I mentioned in the original post. Should they successfully drive a wedge there, the situation will become, for lack of a better word, complicated.
Six months to finish the whole thing may have been a slight exaggeration, but I do expect to see the western public lose all their appetite for supporting Ukraine by then. Most of the western public has no taste for it now anyway, but the economy will really put them between a rock and a hard place by then. We're already seeing politicians resigning and being purged over this (see Germany, Hungary), this pattern will only continue.Вашими бы устами, бегемотик, да медок из бочки наворачивать.
I am cautious to proclaim Russia's recent successes a decisive victory. Right now Ukraine has two lines of advance, one to counterattack and retake its recent territorial losses (unlikely), or to pummel Melitopol/Berdyansk/Mariupol to sever the land bridge to Crimea to checkmate it. This will effectively roll back the entire war to February, 2022 status quo, and that's where these leopards will most likely be going... Assuming they go anywhere at all, that is.
Russia, on the other hand, has dozens of potential assault venues. Round and round it goes... But it won't be a blitzkrieg. Do you really expect the entire thing to be over in six to eight months? I am not trying to mock you, this is a serious question. Odessa street raids aside, Ukraine does not appear to be hurting for manpower, and the gibs keep on coming.
Ukraine has more tanks in its current arsenal (yes deferred maintenance.) Then it started the war with.
If those tankers we're so poor and so unskilled why doesn't Russia have 100% of Ukraine, why don't they have even 50% of Ukraine? Why did Russian equipment and logistics and tank advantages fail in the battle for Kyiv, the Kharvkiv offensive, and the Kherson campaign.
You have trained tank crews who already are trained on Older tech, you take the best and most competent tankers ie who survive multiple engagements, send them to behind the likes to train and do R&R while private conscriptovich is trained to use the Older T-62/T-72 systems.
Have you ever seen how long it takes to cold start an Abrams? It's not even a minute, it's quieter then most stealthy diesel engines, and can be started by battery systems.
This is my concern right here. Too many of the Z people are like Russia will Blitzkrieg in the first freeze or during the summer. If anything the terrain right now in Ukraine is mostly muddy and cold. You can't really move tanks or operate well in this type of weather. This is basically Verdun in the 21st century.Вашими бы устами, бегемотик, да медок из бочки наворачивать.
I am cautious to proclaim Russia's recent successes a decisive victory. Right now Ukraine has two lines of advance, one to counterattack and retake its recent territorial losses (unlikely), or to pummel Melitopol/Berdyansk/Mariupol to sever the land bridge to Crimea to checkmate it. This will effectively roll back the entire war to February, 2022 status quo, and that's where these leopards will most likely be going... Assuming they go anywhere at all, that is.
Russia, on the other hand, has dozens of potential assault venues. Round and round it goes... But it won't be a blitzkrieg. Do you really expect the entire thing to be over in six to eight months? I am not trying to mock you, this is a serious question. Odessa street raids aside, Ukraine does not appear to be hurting for manpower, and the gibs keep on coming.
I'm prettysure that northern counteroffensive was based on tanks and was better than anything ruzzkies can due whit their T-62.
When Ukraine is recapturing a vast area with main cities in region it is only a tactical retreat of ruzzkies, when ruzzkies are capturing a middle of nothing with price around ten thousand KIA nad WIA this is a major victory.
Only and only important thing with Abrams vs T-72/T-62/T-shitty is that never soviet-eguiped side has won a conventional war. The main failures of western powers was:
Nigger the thing could run on Tyrone's grape kool aid and you'd still need to have either a massive supply chain or make a trip to a gas station every day. Neither really being a realistic option given the situation on the ground.
