Global Depression 2022 - Time to do the Breadline Boogaloo!

Who is going to get hit the hardest?

  • North America

  • South America

  • Asia

  • Europe

  • Australia

  • Africa

  • The Middle East

  • Everyone's fucked

  • Nothing will happen


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I'm sure we all know this already but -
If you ever need to sell collectible money, DO NOT TAKE IT TO A BANK! They'll only give you face value at best. Look for reputable dealers or collectors.
If you have collectible money, make sure anyone that might inherit your estate when you die knows this. Leave a note with your coins if needs be.
I told the people in my inner circle that if anything happens to me and they want/need to sell my Kiwi coin, to check online for buyers because a lot of folk out there will not know it's value. (Plus I would hate for it to go to a buyer who would just melt it instead of it going to a fellow Kiwi Farmer.)
 
I think what annoys me about the neo malthusian argument that we need less people on the planet is the fact that less people means less productivity and less chance to generate high ability individuals.

The most offensive thing to me though is the argument there is limited fresh water. Which is not true. Fresh water is massively abundant. Just not on earth. Luna literally has mountains of the shit, and there are asteroids and comets made up entirely of it. Hell, Jupiter and Saturn have entire MOONS made up of H20.

The fix to our "population crisis" is not less people. Its more people, propelling us into more Space. Literally Space.
Do you have any idea how absolutely infeasible space mining water is at current tech levels? It costs about a $1,000/gram to send something to space.

Lets just say it doesn't cost any extra to bring it back. Right now gold is about $60/gram. We couldn't even mine a solid 24K gold meteor without going broke, and you want to do it with water?
 
Do you have any idea how absolutely infeasible space mining water is at current tech levels? It costs about a $1,000/gram to send something to space.

Lets just say it doesn't cost any extra to bring it back. Right now gold is about $60/gram. We couldn't even mine a solid 24K gold meteor without going broke, and you want to do it with water?
I would suggest permanent undersea mining settlements before space.... Not unless we hit the mother lode of rare metals like Iridium.

Fuck, if anyone wants to be the next Elon, go fund underwater habitats for resource extraction.
 
Do you have any idea how absolutely infeasible space mining water is at current tech levels? It costs about a $1,000/gram to send something to space.

Lets just say it doesn't cost any extra to bring it back. Right now gold is about $60/gram. We couldn't even mine a solid 24K gold meteor without going broke, and you want to do it with water?
You're orders of magnitude off. Even the notoriously inefficient Space Shuttle was about $65.4/gram in today's money. Today's rockets are far more efficient. The widely used Falcon 9 for instance is $2.6/gram and the Falcon Heavy is $1.5/gram. For non-SpaceX, the Russian Angara is $4.5/gram. Source.
I would suggest permanent undersea mining settlements before space.... Not unless we hit the mother lode of rare metals like Iridium.

Fuck, if anyone wants to be the next Elon, go fund underwater habitats for resource extraction.
Undersea mining is actually more akin to oil drilling. It's also never been done because environmentalists protest like crazy since the method is scraping and scraping at the sea bed to kick up a toxic sludge that then gets brought to the surface and processed. Some company actually tried like a decade ago, got a permit in some shithole country, but then couldn't start operations for a variety of reasons (including IIRC the price of metals collapsing).

I don't think it's really a viable tech because there's already too much ocean pollution and it's better to just build more nuclear power plants to give the energy needed to process low-grade ores/recycle shit or hell, even process it out of seawater.
 
Undersea mining is actually more akin to oil drilling. It's also never been done because environmentalists protest like crazy since the method is scraping and scraping at the sea bed to kick up a toxic sludge that then gets brought to the surface and processed.
More like environmentalists won't protest outside of safe countries (Not in my back yard strikes again!) to begin with. You go protest dredge mining in a third world country and you're ending up in the bottom of the ocean or your legs broken.
 

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If all the people in Davos this week in the WEF offed themselves in Minecraft they could probably solve some of these problems and reduce their carbon footprint. Win/Win for everyone.
They would solve all those problems. Because they are the reason each one of them exists in the first place.
 
Amazon is ending its Smile program, where it donated a portion of a person's purchases to a charity of their choice. Supposedly they will still give out charity money, but with a greater level of control over who receives funding with an emphasis on becoming landlords of 'affordable housing' units. link

Between the hundreds of thousands of layoffs in the tech sphere, and the moribund job market where a person can apply for hundreds of jobs without hearing back from any of them, it's going to be more difficult to spin the economy like it's going well. But the media has made the total destruction of the American high living standards seem like a good thing before, and it's likely they can do so again.
 
Amazon is ending its Smile program, where it donated a portion of a person's purchases to a charity of their choice. Supposedly they will still give out charity money, but with a greater level of control over who receives funding with an emphasis on becoming landlords of 'affordable housing' units. link

Between the hundreds of thousands of layoffs in the tech sphere, and the moribund job market where a person can apply for hundreds of jobs without hearing back from any of them, it's going to be more difficult to spin the economy like it's going well. But the media has made the total destruction of the American high living standards seem like a good thing before, and it's likely they can do so again.
I imagine replacing Smile with controlled "charity" (all likely going to left-wing causes) will raise their ESG score.
 
Do you have any idea how absolutely infeasible space mining water is at current tech levels? It costs about a $1,000/gram to send something to space.

Lets just say it doesn't cost any extra to bring it back. Right now gold is about $60/gram. We couldn't even mine a solid 24K gold meteor without going broke, and you want to do it with water?
I agree that it's retarded thinking we'll send people into space to mine fucking water of all things, and in general Earth has massive amounts of resources that are more than sufficient.

For the benefit of others, here is what my PhD in vidya and sci fi books has taught me:
The big expense of doing things in space is, of course, the huge amount of rocket fuel it takes to get up there. It takes a bunch of fuel due to the tyranny of the rocketry equation (the more fuel you add, the more fuel you need just to move that fuel, so like diminishing returns).

However, you can do things to cut down on this dramatically. If you produce as much of your goods up there as possible, you can minimize inputs (of expensive Earth-based launches) per output. Supposedly the chemical and industrial processes it would take to manufacture in space has already existed for a long time, so as long as you can make rocket fuel from water (which as I understand has still not been done, but is theoretically sound), you could potentially, with automation, get huge amounts of minerals for a small input of the little things that just can't be done up there. In the novel Delta-v, they build shitty barges from scratch out of their mined asteroid production, quite a bit like muh Mississippi River barges I ramble about on occasion, it's just a piece of shit you send one way and then bust up for salvage.

It takes tons of fuel to get up there, but perhaps not so much to get down. Have not heard any proposal, but I've thought before that you might do it through a controlled crash (if this is a one-way drop, literally drop it to Earth with minimal fuel or parachutes or whatever to slow it so it doesn't crack the Earth like a rod from god, then have a recovery team go in and get it; drop this shit on something like the Sahara).

Even the rocket fuel issue may be simplified if you have networks of railguns and recovery probes to catch the payloads they shoot.

Of course, just because the stuff is plentiful, that still doesn't mean that even with a possible way to do it cheaper that it would still be cheaper than just digging it out of the Earth. I also think the idea of permanent habitation in space is completely retarded, there is no reason to talk about settling people by the millions out there, the only value in it as far as I'm concerned is just a network to rip open those asteroids for their juicy innards.
 
I agree that it's retarded thinking we'll send people into space to mine fucking water of all things, and in general Earth has massive amounts of resources that are more than sufficient.
The water mining stuff is more because when you have a space industry, it would be a necessary thing (even if no humans are in space, it's needed for industrial processes) and at a very early point its cheaper to mine ice in space than bring it from Earth, ergo you need more space industry so more investment.
Of course, just because the stuff is plentiful, that still doesn't mean that even with a possible way to do it cheaper that it would still be cheaper than just digging it out of the Earth. I also think the idea of permanent habitation in space is completely retarded, there is no reason to talk about settling people by the millions out there, the only value in it as far as I'm concerned is just a network to rip open those asteroids for their juicy innards.
The biggest reason is strategic concerns--either you mine unprofitable local deposits (often at terrible environmental cost) or you deal with shithole countries and their politicians. Environment is also a very good reason. Look at the devastation coal mining has done to Appalachia's beautiful forests, or the massive toxic sludge ponds of rare earth refining in China (if the deposits have thorium like what India is doing, they're also fucking radioactive).
 
Plant based diets are way better for your heart health
Genetics would like to disagree with you. It's like how Europeans react poorly to Soy or Chinese (or Native Americans) react really badly to the Western diet. It's a shame that there aren't more studies on this out there because race is a big verboten now a days.
 
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