Russian Invasion of Ukraine Megathread - Episode III - Revenge of the Ruski (now unlocked with new skins and gameplay modes!!!)

[JambledUpWords]

Honestly, at some point I’d expect some more places to try and find ways to stick it to the US/NATO mindset, which many feel Ukraine represents, up to and including supporting Russia in this conflict, be it arms, men, or citizens fighting as foreign legions. We already got some nations working to oust pro NATO people in the government, what’s to say we won’t see more?

The spending on Afghanistan was roughly 115B per year. So far, US spending on Ukraine has amassed to 26B. Ukraine is way cheaper by comparison. I’ve been quite resigned to the fact that all sides seem to want to escalate and can’t really change much about it though, and the spending could stand to get even greater due to it. That’s why I’ve invested some money in defense manufacturing stocks because if these people want war, may as well try and make a bit of extra money out of a sucky situation.

As for NATO, even with incompetency present in the US military, the US has the biggest defense budget in the world and a lot of NATO aligned countries can’t afford to leave it. Germany, France, and the UK all benefit from NATO protection, and without it, their militaries could not stand against Russia. If NATO aligned countries were to get more serious about impending war, they would be cutting their social programs in order to put money towards making their militaries better. Countries like Turkey obviously create tension within NATO, but a war like the one between Russia and Ukraine sadly makes the elites view NATO as more necessary.

Overall, I wish the war wasn’t happening to begin with, but not like we can change that now. The only real question is how it will end. I’m predicting an eventual breakout of WWIII, but with majority of the fighting in Eastern Europe and attacks happening more on US allies than the US itself due to geographical reasons.

 

[Glowie]

I was a tanker. Ultimately became a commander on an M1A1 Abrams. I was also a transition instructor getting crews of the M60A3 and earlier Abrams models up to speed on the M1A1.

The Abrams is incredibly complex and even experienced tank crews require extensive training to safely and effectively operate the M1A1. You cannot simply "figure out how to use them in a day".

That's why Leopard 2 is preferred, low maintenance, highly adapts to different biomes outside peat bogs.
At best Abrams are used in few skirmishes with crews that are instructed over the spring. US is very anal about training on training Abrams even to other NATO members.
Id like to add that Abrams requires more time in maintenance with every hour in the field, especially in hostile climates.
Russian soviet Era a tank like T 72 are shit to say the least, only fielded by former soviet states and Russia.
I wouldn't spend a hour in that shit box even more so if troops around that are supposed to look out for other tanks, infantry and mines are disorganized mess.

Russians repeated the same mistake as in WW2, archaic tactics, command structure which is corrupt and doesn't give two shits about troops under their control.

Leopard 2 has been go to tank for modern European armies since they're made for that climate on Abrams you have to take care of jet engine, lubricate every single piece and replace broken tracks.

Leopards are 10 hours in field, Abrams are the opposite.
Russian tanks are weak shit boxes useful in shock and awe tactics, pioneers and anti tank weaponry will them into steel coffins.
Since Russian's only elite armored core who were given shitty T72s got their teeth kicked in.
Number of much hyped T-12s are less than a dozen and NEED Taiwanese components to run and Abrams tier crews, Russia is short of manpower and trained crews, since most of them are dead.
Tanks rolling out of factories in Russia are based on old T-72 design with the peashooter of gun and armor, current NATO anti armor guns eg , both large and small will pop the lid out of those fuckers with ease even with Stuhna-Ps not to mention memed to death javelin launchers, drones helping artillery.
French AMX-10s haven't hit Ukraine soil yet, not mention train crews for them.
I can tell from experience that training tanks take 3 months at very minimum, depending on the armored vehicle in question.
French AMX-10s haven't seen Ukrainian soil, assuming if France and Ukraine knows their opsec. They will keep quiet about crews undergoing those tank destroyers.

Ukraine has a lot of rank and file left with low maintenance weapons and weapons that they're familiar with.

Frankly as someone with pioneer training, I found lack of use of IEDs by army of Ukraine. Russian armor are soft and Mobiks are stupid and undisciplined.
Ukraine's army had a massive reform in 2014. There's still room left for improvement and gutting the corrupt elements.

 

[Elämällä on väliä]

Russian soviet Era a tank like T 72 are shit to say the least, only fielded by former soviet states and Russia.

Funfact: after unification of Germoney Bundesrepublik cpatured a lot of soviet-produced equipment from former East Germany.

All of that (beside some ships) was scrapped or gived away to other former Warsaw Pact members. It was worthless.

 

[Feline Supremacist]

If it will die under ruzzkie rocket shelling or die after rape by ruzzkie snow monkey it will be better.

You do realize the Ukrainians who are left are going to come after the chickenhawks that were perfectly fine sacrificing them so they could grab more NATO/EU gibs while your Turk bf pozzed the neghole, right? You think you're biggest worry is Russia? I think its the Ukrainians.

Hell hath no fury than an Eastern slav out for revenge. Throw in some East Germans pissed off at their carpet munching Green bitches who, along with their polack counterparts, destroyed what was left of Germany for Daddy America and get ready for Molotov-Ribbentrop, 21st century edition.

America was wrong to let the slav genie out of the bottle; that was the whole rationale for us being in Europe in the first place. It was to stop this from happening, not encourage it.

Air alert announced throughout Ukraine

 

[Vince McMahon]

you're taking a job that could be done by a local Pollack.
But, you didn't answer the question, did you register yourself as your country legally required you to do so?

I competed with local talent on the same ground and I can assure you, the job I've taken is something locals usually don't take, as evidenced by a diverse cast of people working there (some locals there too, sure but they've been working there for literally years).
I'd like to educate you, I'm not legally required to register with the consulate per the law you're talking about. The registration is voluntary and I have to pay money to register. So no, I didn't register.

 

[Feline Supremacist]

The registration is voluntary and I have to pay money to register. So no, I didn't register.

You have to pay to register at your country's embassy? Dude, that's awful. Americans are encouraged to register at an embassy/consulate when abroad for any length of time in case they need help. It's free to register.

 

[Vesperus]

Here's some interesting shenanigans I wasn't expecting: A two year old Turkish needlework channel just spontaneously turned into a Ukrainian cope channel on youtube.

https://www.youtube.com/@HeroUkraine/videos

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LOL LMAO.

 

[Meh123]

One of the things I love most about this war is how a Pro-Russians have almost unanimously put a pedophile on a pedestal just because he shits on West military capablities and praises Russia military capablities.

You're shooting blanks, honey. Can you refute his points (apart from saying "nuh, that's stupid") or all you have is ad hominem?
He was fucking FBI glowniggers

 

[Vince McMahon]

You have to pay to register at your country's embassy? Dude, that's awful. Americans are encouraged to register at an embassy/consulate when abroad for any length of time in case they need help. It's free to register.

To be fair, it's not expensive but again, I didn't register. Hopefully that answers all questions regarding yours truly.

 

[Glowie]

Did you register though? And, you know it's not that difficult to repatriate; you are there on a special visa, so it's as simple as 'oops VISA expired' and you're in the trenches where you belong instead of sucking at our nipples.

I'm not a refugee like you, it's my hobby to snitch on border hopper and arrange visa inspections.
Read Russians. You said that you lived in Russia and you were born there.

You do realize the Ukrainians who are left are going to come after the chickenhawks that were perfectly fine sacrificing them so they could grab more NATO/EU gibs while your Turk bf pozzed the neghole, right? You think you're biggest worry is Russia? I think its the Ukrainians.

Hell hath no fury than an Eastern slav out for revenge. Throw in some East Germans pissed off at their carpet munching Green bitches who, along with their polack counterparts, destroyed what was left of Germany for Daddy America and get ready for Molotov-Ribbentrop, 21st century edition.

America was wrong to let the slav genie out of the bottle; that was the whole rational for us being in Europe in the first place. It was to stop this from happening, not encourage it.

Air alert announced throughout Ukraine
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You're trying too hard to be slav. You're a 56% certified with rich family history of race mixing over course past two centuries.

Also
Air alerts are standard when big centers are getting bombed
Russia has habit of breaking Geneva convention after bombing civilian targets and historic monuments.
Gee wonder why these alerts are issued.
Russia made itself modern equivalent of third Reich, symbols, police state and collapsing military and economy. Not to mention cult of personality.
I hope you do realize unlike in WW 2 where soviet union had heavy allied backing both military and economy wise to the point allies sent supplies to Russians in their Finnish frontier/meat grinder, you do know that, right?

Russia's only allies include North Korea, Iran and China who is waiting Russia to weaken to get another vassal state with nukes. China would love that territory for cities, mines and oil fields.

Ukraine war is prelude to post Putin politics much like Afghanistan debacle was followed by collapse of soviet union. Since you were born after 91, you do not have slightest idea what shit show that was and Putin who is ex KGB agent copy pasted soviet anthem
Banned discussion about Jewish Bolsheviks during soviet revolution.
Banned discussion about Holomdor
Banned independent free thinking media after attests, show trial and prison time.
Banned discussion about soviet war crimes.
Everything important is controlled by the state, companies follow orders by the state

I don't know about you, that's not exactly free speech. It might be if you are a tankie.

 

[Feline Supremacist]

tl;dr

Look here Glowie, you ain't convincing anyone to drink the schizo Kool Aid with AI generated walls of text. Just sayin'.

Anyway...

Ukrainian military claimed all Russian cruise missiles have been shot down

Confirmed damage to critical infrastructure in:

Kiev:
Kiev region (Kiev HPSP);
Odessa region (Substation near Usatovo)
Odessa region (Substation in Mayakov area)
Odessa region (Substation in Malinovsky district)
Odessa region (Substation SS 110/35/6 kV "Chumka")
Zaporozhye region
Nikolaev region
Dnepropetrovsk region
Vinnitsa region

Emergency shutdowns in:
Odessa
Odessa region
Vinnitsa region
Nikolaev region
Kiev region

Problems with water supply in:
Odessa.

 

[RSU 1741]

Funfact: after unification of Germoney Bundesrepublik cpatured a lot of soviet-produced equipment from former East Germany.

All of that (beside some ships) was scrapped or gived away to other former Warsaw Pact members. It was worthless.

Alas, that's true but for the wrong reasons. Former DDR equipment was divided into three categories (I, II and III) and the amalgamation of the NVA and the Wessies was a complete disaster.

Spoiler

It's widely known that former nazis were treated better than NVA officers, because there was no need to integrate them as it had no value. Likewise, the entire military industry of the DDR - even some of their excellencies, like Suhl - was bulldozed to the ground like the vast majority of East Germany's industry, their efficiency was irrelevant to the point. Suhl at least still managed to stay a Waffenstadt despite HK trying to kill every opposition possible with their .... connections. If you want people mad, you should talk to NVA vets, they're an interesting bunch (I still find hilarious the cases of "yeh, the DDR was shit at the end but goddamn we were a Real Army and the Federal Army has become a shitshow, we would have crushed them". Jingoism is fun.)

But what about equipment? The vast majority of the DDR's equipment ended up in Category III, disposable. Small arms were packed up and sold for pennies, simply gifted or demilitarized for civilian sales - the DDR was already a quite successful weapon exporter, so selling a shitton of AKs to brown people was a good solution for everyone involved. Some of them ended up even in Finland.

What about more complex equipment? Well, the only Category I that's widely recognized are the DDR Mig-29, that were integrated and managed quite well in the period before the introduction of the Eurofighter, so category I. Mi-8 copters were also appreciated for utility, while their armoured forces were mostly of non-DDR production (so spare parts would have been supplied from former WarPact states) so it ended up in Category II and sometimes updated (BMPs, for example, in a very basic way) but more often dumped to those who could maintain them.

Furthermore, one needs to understand that the roots of the contemporary laughable state of the German Army starts here: there's no longer any need for any functional army in the post-1991 world, only a functional weapon industry for foreign sales: the entire NVA inventory was left to rot because it was useless, and even the entire inventory of the Federal army was useless and it needed 30+ years to rot due to complete mismanagement and cuts (see, German Defense ministers nowadays).

Also, I get offended easily. Suhl may had problems in building LMGs, but their AKs are the nicest Cold War AKs around, maybe the Polish ones go close. But pardon for the spergin', keep on discussing how the embarrassing heir to the Soviet Union barely manages to not conquer a town with 30k people.

 

[CaptainAutism69]

I competed with local talent on the same ground and I can assure you, the job I've taken is something locals usually don't take, as evidenced by a diverse cast of people working there (some locals there too, sure but they've been working there for literally years).
I'd like to educate you, I'm not legally required to register with the consulate per the law you're talking about. The registration is voluntary and I have to pay money to register. So no, I didn't register.

I dunno man, it uses the words 'Obliged to register' here...

Military accounting abroad: new duties and obligations

The government approved the rules for military registration of conscripts, conscripts and reservists. From now on, diplomatic missions will deal with the return of men home during mobilization. Learn more about the new powers of diplomatic institutions of Ukraine abroad

visitukraine.today

 

[Vince McMahon]

I dunno man, it uses the words 'Obliged to register' here...

Military accounting abroad: new duties and obligations

The government approved the rules for military registration of conscripts, conscripts and reservists. From now on, diplomatic missions will deal with the return of men home during mobilization. Learn more about the new powers of diplomatic institutions of Ukraine abroad

visitukraine.today

Obliged to register IF I want to have consulate protection or want to vote. The "obligation" isn't reinforced by any penalties and the consulate can only assist in return, only if the person wishes to return and serve.

Stop your weenery dude, I'm not sucking off anyone's tit and I'm not going anywhere. I have a life here and I have an opinion that you don't like. You can get over it, I'm sure.

 

[just a banana]

literal minutes of searching hasn't got me any sources for this chatter

 

[CaptainAutism69]

Obliged to register IF I want to have consulate protection or want to vote. The "obligation" isn't reinforced by any penalties and the consulate can only assist in return, only if the person wishes to return and serve.

No, it doesn't say that at all, you're obliged to register for military service anyway at your age, and if you're abroad for more than 3 months, you're now obliged to register with the consulate. There's a number of fines/penalties baked into the law for refusing to return for example.

Stop your weenery dude, I'm not sucking off anyone's tit and I'm not going anywhere. I have a life here and I have an opinion that you don't like. You can get over it, I'm sure.

Are you at work now? If so, stop posting and get back to picking vegetables.
The opinion of 'I sup Ukr and don't support Russia' is fine, but being a chickenhawk wanting other people to risk their lives for your cause from the safety of Poland, while this war had a negative effect on the whole of the EU is not. Anyway, thought you had a meltdown in A&N and was going to leave Ukr threads or something.

 

[Elämällä on väliä]

You think you're biggest worry is Russia? I think its the Ukrainians.

You are awful at propaganda - try to decide if Ukrainians are DANGEROUES, THEY WILL EAT AND KILL EUROPE! or they are on extinct. Enemy cannot by in the same time DANGEROUS and PATHETIC.

Look at me, I just dehumanize ruzzkies and pushing the agenda about exploating fallen ruzzkieland after war.

Same with the maps - try to decide if mighty ruzzia is occuping 20% of Ukraine (that means: use maps wtih ukrainian Crimea) or the mighty Ukraine is bullying ruzzia (and then use maps with "annexed"oblast in ruzzia, but with occupied Kherson).

 

[Vince McMahon]

There's a number of fines/penalties baked into the law for refusing to return for example.

I'm sure you can quote those, right?

The opinion of 'I sup Ukr and don't support Russia' is fine, but being a chickenhawk wanting other people to risk their lives for your cause from the safety of Poland, while this war had a negative effect on the whole of the EU is not.

That was my position from the start but it seems that the line between what makes one a "supporter" and what makes one a chickenhawk is very blurry. I guess it depends on one's mood and allegiance. It's fine, I know for a fact that it doesn't matter what I say - I will be a chickenhawk to some just because I don't shout from the rooftops that Ukrainians should surrender.

 

[Elämällä on väliä]

There's a number of fines/penalties baked into the law for refusing to return for example.

Their aren't.

Confirmed damage to critical infrastructure in:

Kiev:
Kiev region (Kiev HPSP);
Odessa region (Substation near Usatovo)
Odessa region (Substation in Mayakov area)
Odessa region (Substation in Malinovsky district)
Odessa region (Substation SS 110/35/6 kV "Chumka")
Zaporozhye region
Nikolaev region
Dnepropetrovsk region
Vinnitsa region

Emergency shutdowns in:
Odessa
Odessa region
Vinnitsa region
Nikolaev region
Kiev region

Problems with water supply in:
Odessa.

Didn't ruzzkie destroyed that infrastructure months ago? Ge, so they aren't able even to smash water pipes?

Former DDR equipment was divided into three categories (I, II and III) and the amalgamation of the NVA and the Wessies was a complete disaster.

I was sure that MiG's was put in deposit and shortly after that sold. I'm highly suprised that they was in use to 2003.

 

[CaptainAutism69]

I'm sure you can quote those, right?

Found it earlier, but cba to dig again. Anyway it's your life and your risk to take. The Ukr govt talking about conscripting people abroad is not healthy, and you better hope that the current govt *doesn't* win unless you want to be a forever exile.

Get back to work, you're not being paid to post on KF.