Diseased Sanctioned Suicide - "Kill yourself" but unironically with sodium nitrite. Higher death count than the Farms. Targeted by parents, legislators, and journalists looking to alter Section 230.

[Fentanyl Floyd]

Calling it now @porch_day is away777

 

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And yes, if you believe SS should survive, then so should tranny advocacy sites and DIY-HRT manuals and everything else you hate.

This is a good thing to point out, but it's important to note that the only reason people here tend to be so against DIYHRT is because people like Bobposting and that Brazilian guy explicitly target children with their products, even publically bragging about how many minors they've "pinkpilled". If you go look back at threads that have covered DIYHRT stuff, you'll see a good handful of people saying they wouldn't give a shit if it was just adult troons shooting up bathtub estrogen, but it isn't just adults, so we give a shit.

If SS mods and users were making posts like "Just SN-pilled my first minor!" or posting their collections of cutting images they receive from children over Discord with no pushback or consequences, I can assure you the thread OP would be very different. But (as far as we can tell currently) they aren't doing that, so it isn't. I think it's also worth pointing out that when we were neck-deep in a-logging the DIYHRT shit, there was never this big push to needlessly and dangerously drag Section 230 into it. So while there are definitely parallels that can be drawn here, one "crusade" (for lack of a better term) is clearly more unhinged than the other.

 

[Womble of Wimbledon]

This is a good thing to point out, but it's important to note that the only reason people here tend to be so against DIYHRT is because people like Bobposting and that Brazilian guy explicitly target children with their products, even publically bragging about how many minors they've "pinkpilled". If you go look back at threads that have covered DIYHRT stuff, you'll see a good handful of people saying they wouldn't give a shit if it was just adult troons shooting up bathtub estrogen, but it isn't just adults, so we give a shit.

If SS mods and users were making posts like "Just SN-pilled by first minor!" or posting their collections of cutting images they receive from children over Discord with no pushback or consequences, I can assure you the thread OP would be very different. But (as far as we can tell currently) they aren't doing that, so it isn't. I think it's also worth pointing out that when we were neck-deep in a-logging the DIYHRT shit, there was never this big push to needlessly and dangerously drag Section 230 into it. So while there are definitely parallels that can be drawn here, one "crusade" (for lack of a better term) is clearly more unhinged than the other.

Fully agree, and I would argue that "pinkpilling" is a crime, the crime of grooming. Unfortunately the political compass is currently pointing directly up the troonhole so we won't see anyone actually getting prosecuted in current year.

 

[LinkinParkxNaruto[AMV]]

if you believe SS should survive, then so should tranny advocacy sites and DIY-HRT manuals and everything else you hate

well, yeah. I'd still laugh at them and call them degenerates. If insane people were censored KF would have nothing to talk about. Problem is only one side of every argument gets shut down every time.

Fully agree, and I would argue that "pinkpilling" is a crime, the crime of grooming. Unfortunately the political compass is currently pointing directly up the troonhole so we won't see anyone actually getting prosecuted in current year.

Thats always a real concern but i see no solution other than collectively agreeing underage kids should not be online at all, Even kids browsing kids sites might get targeted , like what happened with vaping advertisements, its a really broad problem.

 

[GenociderSyo]

@Markass the Worst Not sure if you found this its a giant 90 page meta-analysis into these sites focusing on SS.

 

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Op feels way too one sided, takes everything Sanctioned Suicide says as the truth and goes out of it's way to not mock or criticize anything about the site.

Nobody is ever pushed into doing it; at most they're simply not discouraged.

But are they encouraged? (not pushed), that is the whole talking point of those that want the site banned. I would say that quote is 100% wrong looking by just at the screen grabs you have later when debunking Tantacrul's video. You do have some users that are saying to have a second thought about it which is clearly somewhat discouraging but also have some such as FuneralCry who is clearly encouraging and romanticizing suicide.

Why? Because the common assumption is that if you stop someone from suicide, "they'll just get better" which is not always true.

However, what is almost always guaranteed (as a natural consequence of modern attitudes towards suicide) is the use of violent, painful, and unpreferred suicide methods by people who choose to go through with it. Because of the risks associated with these methods, people may decide to continue their unsatisfactory lives in a perpetual state of misery, rather than resort to the unsafe methods that suicide prevention advocates have provided no alternatives for. Many individuals will spend their entire lives hiding their true feelings to avoid involuntary hospitalization (and the psychiatric meds that are forced upon them against their will in these institutions), and resign themselves to responding with inauthentically-brief statements like “I’m fine.” to any inquiries regarding their lives or mental state.

In order to prove this, you quote Sanctioned Suicide themselves, as if people aren't saying they are full of shit. That quote may or may not be truthful, but you should have looked for a site unaffiliated to make that point. All that this tells me as a reader you take anything Sanctioned Suicide says at face value to be true.

You never go into the reasons why places don't name the site, even if you think it's a dumb reason, you should cover it. Hell could even write about the hypocrisy of them not naming the site or details but will go against specialist advice when it comes to school shootings where they name every little detail. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5296697/


You claim Tantacrul was being an ass and got banned from the forum for it but you never show it outside part of his first post and the mod posts banning him. Not saying what you said isn't true but it's more "dude trust me on it" rather than showing it.

In it, he advocates for a protocol to ask three questions if someone wants to kill themselves: Are they underage, have they tried to receive treatment, and have they spoken to a professional.

The thread was met with mixed reaction. Some agreed, while others didn't. Most notably, people disagreed because it just simply wouldn't help. People lie about their age all the time, and many people on the site are still suicidal after receiving countless treatments and talking to countless professionals.

Again, how do you know it won't help? Just saying it won't help doesn't mean shit. If you want to make that claim it won't help then back it up.


Also real lack of going into the lolcows that use the site such as FuneralCry who clearly has a fetish for this, or any other users of note the site may have. Not sure if you are overly protective of this site because you somehow believe everything they say or because of threat to Section 230, but you can criticize / mock the site without calling for it to be banned.

 

[AnOminous]

I mean if you want a massive thread where you all lie about SS due to bogus fears about muh section 230 go ahead.

No we'd rather have a thread where you constantly make up bullshit like "500 confirmed deaths" then run away like a coward when asked for your basis for your made-up nonsense.

 

[InFO Digger]

I find @porch_day to be very suspicious. This is the first post from the account, to the Incels.is thread

https://kiwifarms.st/threads/why-is...els-is-is-shutting-down.137565/#post-13642644

Seems to be people confusing incels.net with incels.is

incels.net/org and incels.is/co/me/site were competing forums with non-overlapping owners, and non-overlapping staff

They started around the same time. Incels.net was run by a supposed Ukrainian named 'Vcelguy', the owner of incels.is is someone separate and his real name has been in the news these last two years.

Both forums were r/incels ban evasions. incels.net was a more traditional bulletin board and contained less spam and also less users. It was about as awful as incels.is, except they discouraged violence-advocacy posts unlike incels.is the first 5 years

Notice how he evades naming the owner, despite the name apparently being in the news and openly naming him earlier in thread here

SS shared the same BuyVM Florida IP in 2022 as incels.is. Lamarcus (original founder of both SS and incels.is) still openly runs incels.is, where the moderators openly/publicly instruct their users to commit class A felonies, including rape. The other founder had a criminal investigation launched against him because of the website, in Uruguay.

www.wbur.org/hereandnow/2022/01/18/suicide-websites-caution

Vokl is listed as the LLC that registered SS. RainandSadness can't do tech adminisitration and Lamarcus registered Vokl as the company that owns SS way after most of this stuff you are posting.

He has been railing against Lamarcus in this thread, so why avoid naming him in another thread that was already public with more views? Was he specifically waiting for this thread? Whatever answer it is, I smell alogging here

 

[AnOminous]

He has been railing against Lamarcus in this thread, so why avoid naming him in another thread that was already public with more views? Was he specifically waiting for this thread? Whatever answer it is, I smell alogging here

I'd make a wild guess whoever this is has been mentioned already in this thread.

 

[afounder]

I find @porch_day to be very suspicious. This is the first post from the account, to the Incels.is thread

Notice how he evades naming the owner, despite the name apparently being in the news and openly naming him earlier in thread here

He has been railing against Lamarcus in this thread, so why avoid naming him in another thread that was already public with more views? Was he specifically waiting for this thread? Whatever answer it is, I smell alogging here

Yes, it seems that they appeared shortly after I made my first reply. However, it isn't worth even engaging with them any longer. They obviously have some grudge against me and they can't back up many of their claims with proof. Whatever proof they have shown doesn't really back up what they're saying either.

Like others said here, much of what he is saying may be validated when new evidence is uncovered. eventually, but are a-logging for sure.

 

[Prince Vegeta]

But are they encouraged? (not pushed), that is the whole talking point of those that want the site banned. I would say that quote is 100% wrong looking by just at the screen grabs you have later when debunking Tantacrul's video. You do have some users that are saying to have a second thought about it which is clearly somewhat discouraging but also have some such as FuneralCry who is clearly encouraging and romanticizing suicide.

I looked at the OP, are you talking about the responses that say "godspeed, see you on the other side?" and "you have balls to choose this method?" Or is it a different one? FuneralCry looks mental yeah, and with over 17k posts she has not yet sampled what she sells.

 

[Humbert Humbert]

Very optimistic they are actually leaving and won't be back bright and early tomorrow.

Shhh, let me have a crumb of hope! (Edit: None to be had. Sperg was back and still double posting. Ugh.)

Good riddance, that was some high level autism. They stalked and replied to the thread for seven hours straight. Fresh Meat was a mistake.

I wouldn’t have minded if that much if they edited their fucking posts to contain their autism a little bit.

Yeah I find them to be suspicious too with their autism posting. I skimmed, but even I could see that dude made an account to crusade here and is clearly autistic based on double and triple posting after being told not to. I was wondering what he wasnt telling us, but I didn’t look too much into it.

I’m here for the extremely exceptional users of the site like FuneralCry, because the people fighting for Section 230’s removal are one of the few things on this site that make me MATI.

Spoiler: Repeating sentiments in the thread

Of course, yes, I understand that parents are reasonably distraught after the loss of their children, but they channeled their grief into something very dangerous and they’re completely blinded by their emotions. I’m going to repeat what everyone else has said, their efforts would be much more worthwhile and earnest if they focused on what drives people to suicide, and working with anti-suicide places to raise awareness for these things. They didn’t kill themselves because they woke up and found Sanctioned Suicide, they were going through a lot and got to the point that they felt that using Sanctioned Suicide’s advice would stop their suffering.

 

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I looked at the OP, are you talking about the responses that say "godspeed, see you on the other side?" and "you have balls to choose this method?" Or is it a different one? FuneralCry looks mental yeah, and with over 17k posts she has not yet sampled what she sells.

That was a fuck up on my part, not a image but a post where op says, which are archived. Which I would class as discouraging or least trying to get the person to second guess it.

Here are two threads in which the first reply is "Don’t have to go if you don’t feel right with it." and "Maybe there is still a part of you that wants to live."

But the more encouraging or least romanticizing suicide posts aren't hard to find. Here is one of the post from the op that would fit that bill of romanticizing suicide.

 

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But the more encouraging or least romanticizing suicide posts aren't hard to find. Here is one of the post from the op that would fit that bill of romanticizing suicide.

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This shit just baffles me. If life is so pointless and miserable, why continue to go on living it for years writing textwalls romanticizing death and blathering on about how miserable life in and of itself is? Total self-absorption in giving advice to others that they're unwilling to take themselves. The dopamine they get from seeing all those positive reactions to their posts must offset all that existential misery.

 

[Markass the Worst]

That was a fuck up on my part, not a image but a post where op says, which are archived. Which I would class as discouraging or least trying to get the person to second guess it.

But the more encouraging or least romanticizing suicide posts aren't hard to find. Here is one of the post from the op that would fit that bill of romanticizing suicide.

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When the site unprivates I'll add more to the OP on FuneralCry.

Edit: Would you look at that, they're back. Now on sanctioned-suicide.net because people kept complaining to their domain registrar. Unfortunately it looks like the "Suicide discussion" subforum is still private so anything in there (like FuneralCry's sperging) will be hard to archive.


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This domain is also not excluded from the Wayback Machine yet but we all know people will complain to them enough to get them blacklisted.

 

[afounder]

When the site unprivates I'll add more to the OP on FuneralCry.

Edit: Would you look at that, they're back. Now on sanctioned-suicide.net because people kept complaining to their domain registrar. Unfortunately it looks like the "Suicide discussion" subforum is still private so anything in there (like FuneralCry's sperging) will be hard to archive.

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This domain is also not excluded from the Wayback Machine yet but we all know people will complain to them enough to get them blacklisted.

I think FuneralCry was after I resigned, as I don't really recall them.

I know a lot of people complain about long time community members with lots of posts, but you do have to remember that there is a offtopic section and people sometimes go there to rack up their post count too. So, it's not just 17,000 suicidal rants, most of those posts are most likely off topic posts.

 

[Markass the Worst]

I think FuneralCry was after I resigned, as I don't really recall them.

I know a lot of people complain about long time community members with lots of posts, but you do have to remember that there is a offtopic section and people sometimes go there to rack up their post count too. So, it's not just 17,000 suicidal rants, most of those posts are most likely off topic posts.

That's a good point. Still, having 17,000 posts is an outlier based on a cursory glance of people's post counts in any randomly selected thread.

Congrats on being verified btw.

 

[afounder]

That's a good point. Still, having 17,000 posts is an outlier based on a cursory glance of people's post counts in any randomly selected thread.

Congrats on being verified btw.

Thanks!

 

[Markass the Worst]

Anti-SS'ers are already gloating about the site moving domains. Also a FuneralCry post (can't find the archive though).


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Whois says the domain registrar is now Cloudflare. It's the exact same situation that KF was in when Dreamhost terminated Null's account after an emulator developer faked his death, with both DDoS protection and domain registration handled by the same company. If the same thing happens to SS after that then Cloudflare will kick them off after a year or so. And then they'll probably go back to the deep web like they were in 2015.

Here's another FuneralCry post I found.


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[Bioniclelover]

All these boomer parents suddenly caring about their dead kids after they ignored them for years lol

If they spent at least half the time of virtue-signalling on the internet for clout with their children instead, maybe they wouldn't commit suicide.