Science Pfizer Executive: ‘Mutate’ COVID via ‘Directed Evolution’ for Company to Continue Profiting Off of Vaccines … ‘COVID is Going to be a Cash Cow for Us’

  • Jordon Trishton Walker, Pfizer Director of Research and Development, Strategic Operations - mRNA Scientific Planner: “One of the things we're exploring is like, why don't we just mutate it [COVID] ourselves so we could create -- preemptively develop new vaccines, right? So, we have to do that. If we're gonna do that though, there's a risk of like, as you could imagine -- no one wants to be having a pharma company mutating f**king viruses.”
  • Walker: “Don’t tell anyone. Promise you won’t tell anyone. The way it [the experiment] would work is that we put the virus in monkeys, and we successively cause them to keep infecting each other, and we collect serial samples from them.”
  • Walker: “You have to be very controlled to make sure that this virus [COVID] that you mutate doesn’t create something that just goes everywhere. Which, I suspect, is the way that the virus started in Wuhan, to be honest. It makes no sense that this virus popped out of nowhere. It’s bullsh*t.”
  • Walker: “From what I’ve heard is they [Pfizer scientists] are optimizing it [COVID mutation process], but they’re going slow because everyone is very cautious -- obviously they don’t want to accelerate it too much. I think they are also just trying to do it as an exploratory thing because you obviously don’t want to advertise that you are figuring out future mutations.”
[NEW YORK – Jan. 25, 2023] Project Veritas released a new video today exposing a Pfizer executive, Jordon Trishton Walker, who claims that his company is exploring a way to “mutate” COVID via “Directed Evolution” to preempt the development of future vaccines.

Walker says that Directed Evolution is different than Gain-of-Function, which is defined as “a mutation that confers new or enhanced activity on a protein.” In other words, it means that a virus such as COVID can become more potent depending on the mutation / scientific experiment performed on it.

The Pfizer executive told a Veritas journalist about his company’s plan for COVID vaccines, while acknowledging that people would not like this information if it went public.

“One of the things we [Pfizer] are exploring is like, why don't we just mutate it [COVID] ourselves so we could create -- preemptively develop new vaccines, right? So, we have to do that. If we're gonna do that though, there's a risk of like, as you could imagine -- no one wants to be having a pharma company mutating f**king viruses,” Walker said.

“From what I’ve heard is they [Pfizer scientists] are optimizing it [COVID mutation process], but they’re going slow because everyone is very cautious -- obviously they don’t want to accelerate it too much. I think they are also just trying to do it as an exploratory thing because you obviously don’t want to advertise that you are figuring out future mutations,” he said.

“Don’t tell anyone. Promise you won’t tell anyone. The way it [the experiment] would work is that we put the virus in monkeys, and we successively cause them to keep infecting each other, and we collect serial samples from them.”

Walker drew parallels between this current Pfizer project and what may have happened at the Wuhan Institute of Virology in China.

“You have to be very controlled to make sure that this virus [COVID] that you mutate doesn’t create something that just goes everywhere. Which, I suspect, is the way that the virus started in Wuhan, to be honest. It makes no sense that this virus popped out of nowhere. It’s bullsh*t,” he said.

“You’re not supposed to do Gain-of-Function research with viruses. Regularly not. We can do these selected structure mutations to make them more potent. There is research ongoing about that. I don’t know how that is going to work. There better not be any more outbreaks because Jesus Christ,” he said.

Walker also told the Veritas journalist that COVID has been instrumental for Pfizer’s recent business success:

Walker:Part of what they [Pfizer scientists] want to do is, to some extent, to try to figure out, you know, how there are all these new strains and variants that just pop up. So, it’s like trying to catch them before they pop up and we can develop a vaccine prophylactically, like, for new variants. So, that’s why they like, do it controlled in a lab, where they say this is a new epitope, and so if it comes out later on in the public, we already have a vaccine working.

Veritas Journalist:Oh my God. That’s perfect. Isn’t that the best business model though? Just control nature before nature even happens itself? Right?

Walker:Yeah. If it works.

Veritas Journalist:What do you mean if it works?

Walker:Because some of the times there are mutations that pop up that we are not prepared for. Like with Delta and Omicron. And things like that. Who knows? Either way, it’s going to be a cash cow. COVID is going to be a cash cow for us for a while going forward. Like obviously.

Veritas Journalist:Well, I think the whole research of the viruses and mutating it, like, would be the ultimate cash cow.

Walker:Yeah, it’d be perfect.
Walker went on to explain how Big Pharma and government officials, such as at the Food & Drug Administration [FDA], have mutual interests, and how that is not in the best interest of the American people:

Walker:[Big Pharma] is a revolving door for all government officials.

Veritas Journalist:Wow.

Walker:In any industry though. So, in the pharma industry, all the people who review our drugs -- eventually most of them will come work for pharma companies. And in the military, defense government officials eventually work for defense companies afterwards.



Veritas Journalist:How do you feel about that revolving door?

Walker:It’s pretty good for the industry to be honest. It’s bad for everybody else in America.

Veritas Journalist:Why is it bad for everybody else?

Walker:Because when the regulators reviewing our drugs know that once they stop regulating, they are going to work for the company, they are not going to be as hard towards the company that’s going to give them a job.

 

Reading this reminds me of the South Park episode where Stan calls the Home Shopping Network and tells the host to kill himself because he's irredeemably evil. That's how I see the pharmaceutical industry. I used to think that industry could be fixed by raking them over the coals the same way the tobacco industry was for marketing their products to kids while saying their products weren't addictive and there weren't any long term effects of using them. Now I think pharma execs should hang like Nazi war criminals in Nuremberg. They don't care who they hurt because they're the very definition of greed and God forbid the pile of money they're sitting on doesn't get just a little bigger. The only way these execs can hope to restore the public's faith in their companies is by committing ritualistic suicide on Wall Street as an apology to everyone they've hurt for their profits.
 
Ok, say I go with your line of thinking. They do their due diligence, and have a line of vaccines sitting around for varients. That doesn't make them money if they don't crop up in the wild. It's very virtuous, but it's a lot of money spent with no reward. Why would that satisfy them? What then? Virtuous science continues? That hurts the bottom line. How does COVID continue to be their "cash cow"?

Wasnt the whole point of mRNA vaccine was that they could tweak and get the vaccine out at a moments notice? Not a virusologist but doesn't that mean they don't need their vaccine variants made beforehand since they could do it on the fly?
 
Why is this surprising? What do you think virologists do at big pharma corporations? Their entire job is manufacturing and studying viruses so they can then defeat said viruses. It's saying the quiet part out loud a bit to talk about the massive amounts of money this generates, but there's nothing surprising here imo. Do you expect them to wait for new strains to generate on their own and then start the process of reverse engineering it?

The whole industry is disgusting, Big Pharma is all (((criminals)), etc etc, but specifically I don't get why this is such a shocker. The people who are in the know already knew this was happening, anyone in the middle could assume this was happening, anyone who's quintuple-vaxed-double-masked is going to see this as heroic.
 
Wasnt the whole point of mRNA vaccine was that they could tweak and get the vaccine out at a moments notice? Not a virusologist but doesn't that mean they don't need their vaccine variants made beforehand since they could do it on the fly?
That was one of the selling points, but apparently no one thought about things like manufacturing and transporting the damn things. Then we get to the distribution. When all is said and done, even with the red tape peeled off, the virus has moved on.
 
Plus, from my understanding nobody deliberately “mutates” the influenza virus for the flu vaccine. Instead they just kind of guess from the newest strains that pop up in the wild at the end of the flu season and base the next vaccine off those.
Yes. There’s a global surveillance effort for flu. What they do is send sentinel samples from various centres of patients respiratory infections to certain labs so they’re constantly sampling what’s out there and what’s becoming prevalent. Even with that, it has a fairly low success rate of getting the right strain mix (they usually pick 2-4) for the coming season.
Which means it can't work in the way they're saying they want it to work (predict strains so they can make their vaccine ahead of time), because they can only make variants that are more dangerous than what's currently circulating.
Yes, correct
Wasnt the whole point of mRNA vaccine was that they could tweak and get the vaccine out at a moments notice? Not a virusologist but doesn't that mean they don't need their vaccine variants made beforehand since they could do it on the fly?
Yes. Correct.
How many years has gain-of-function been done in labs for the flu virus? This could just be same shit, different day.
Not deliberately. See the Ron Fouchier affair. Passaging flu repeatedly throigh animals can equal turbo mega flu. GoF work is bioweapon work. All of it, all the time. I dont care what euphemisms they use or how much they whine it’s researching, it’s weapons.
As all the astute kiwis above have pointed out, this work is not justified. At all. It’s not mutating it in the way it would go in natural circulation. mrna is supposed to be quick to get into production. Nobody gives a shit about testing for safety any more. So there’s no reason to do any GoF work for finding vaccines.
This is a very peculiar thing the guy is claiming. If it’s true, in a decent world we’d be seeing some heads roll. This is not at all the standard big pharma RandD. It really isn’t. This is black ops stuff
 
I would also wonder WHERE they plan of doing this. There aren’t many higher level labs (which I would hope they’d be using) with primate facilities in the states. If anyone’s doing this it needs to be in BSL4 IMO. And even then, shit happens. Fort deitrick, wihan, portion down, all have had leaks because are human and working in a spacesuit through an airlock is extremely stressful and tiring.
Did the mention of doing it in monkeys stick out to you? From what I've read, directed evolution is most often done in e coli to drastically increase the number of iterations that can be achieved. Perhaps mutating covid isn't possible in e coli, but you would imagine that they would start with a smaller, less complex mammal like mice rather than going straight to primates. It seems like directed evolution in primates would be incredibly slow and not cost efficient whatsoever. Maybe this guy just isn't great with the experimental details, but that jumped out to me as odd.
 
hey guys, thanks for reading my post and actually engaging with it instead of instantly slamming the Dumb/Autistic/MATI sticker and posting a smarmy comment. keep telling yourself you're not shackled to groupthink unlike those dumb people on twitter because you post on a Big Boy Forum



sure Pfizer is full of shit, I'm not saying they aren't. I'm just saying that doesn't mean Project Veritas isn't full of shit themselves just because they posted a cheap gotcha story ostensibly poaching them

The reason I react emotionally to what you posted is because I don't fund Project Veritas. But if I ever decide to stop funding Pfizer, I'll be sent to prison for tax evasion. Pfizer is truly an evil organization that profits from covid continuing to exist.

We'll never know if Pfizer had a chance to make a vaccine that eradicated the disease because they had no incentive to do so. Our government sold us for 30 pieces of silver by deciding to give Pfizer endless money forever to give us "free" endless boosters forever. They wanted this to become the next flu shot (except fully paid for by our taxes instead of the usual way healthcare is funded).

Also, "Hurr durr, both sides are bad/imperfect/full of it," is the most braindead take and it's a very transparent way to mindlessly back Pfizer, an evil organization that is doing everything it can to fan the flames of the culture war.
 
Ok, say I go with your line of thinking. They do their due diligence, and have a line of vaccines sitting around for varients. That doesn't make them money if they don't crop up in the wild. It's very virtuous, but it's a lot of money spent with no reward. Why would that satisfy them? What then? Virtuous science continues? That hurts the bottom line. How does COVID continue to be their "cash cow"?
I just wanted the guy @Hugger Brother to follow his own logic all the way through. The only way this works for Pfizer, the only way the cash cow keeps giving milk, is if they release the variants into the population that they've created vaccines for. As @Otterly says, bioweapons.
 
Thank you for making a new thread on this, this is huge.

It's a pretty wild to think about they're doing gain of function research that could leak out again like in Wuhan and kill us all this time. Like literally tomorrow there could be another lab accident and super-COVID gets unleashed into the world and the media will cover for them.
 
Did the mention of doing it in monkeys stick out to you? From what I've read, directed evolution is most often done in e coli to drastically increase the number of iterations that can be achieved.
Yes.
1. Primate work is expensive, slow, and dangerous in itself (monkeys are smart, strong, and dangerous. Chimps can rip you apart but even a small monkey can wreck you.
2. Primate work is pointless. For this anyway. Like you say, för ‘directed evolution’ (another nice word for GoF) you use in silico, or the lowest form of life you can. Obviously if it’s a respiratory transmitted virus and you want to simulate transmission you need something with lungs. Ferrets are actually the best flu model. Using primates is inefficient.
3. What non human primates ARE useful for is looking at things like adjuvant efficacy, how early exposure to things harms them over life, and how their immune systems respond.
So yeah, the idea of using primates for this is very strange because it kind of implies a rather different program of work than ‘see what comes up.’ And that kind of program is usually military.
Apropos of nothing, there are rumours that the Reston Ebola outbreak featured a group doing exactly this - repeated exposure under conditions that favoured air bourne transmission. In effect, forcing Ebola to transmit only if airborne. Apparently transmission was achieved, and they lucked out becasue it simultaneously became less lethal. But who knows, everything about that has been rewritten since it happened
 
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