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[General Emílio Médici]

Sending tanks to Ukraine is exactly the sort of thing the current breed of Chateau Generals and Armchair Strategists in NATO and D.C. would do. As mentioned before the Abrahams might be pretty good tanks but they require a absurdly good logistical setup to make them work well and be deployed. You don't just drop tanks randomly in a place and then get a buff.

I would expect a lot of these tanks are gonna end up being lost because of minor issues snowballing into bigger ones. Ivan is gonna forget to do maintenance on the turbine one day, then the next someone is gonna run it on shitty diesel instead of the high octane gasoline they are designed and calibrated for because "eh it's turbine will work", then on the weekend someone runs the maintenance like if it was a old T-55, and soon enough it pops some engine shit and they have to abandon it in the field to flee Vlad and his buddies.

It's all about the money. A single one of those tanks costs a fortune. General Dynamics Land Systems is probably popping champagnes and having a massive party over the fact they are gonna get a order to replace the ones just sent to UA with new ones.

 

[JosephStalin]

Something from Ben Garrison.

Sending tanks to Ukraine is exactly the sort of thing the current breed of Chateau Generals and Armchair Strategists in NATO and D.C. would do. As mentioned before the Abrahams might be pretty good tanks but they require a absurdly good logistical setup to make them work well and be deployed. You don't just drop tanks randomly in a place and then get a buff.

I would expect a lot of these tanks are gonna end up being lost because of minor issues snowballing into bigger ones. Ivan is gonna forget to do maintenance on the turbine one day, then the next someone is gonna run it on shitty diesel instead of the high octane gasoline they are designed and calibrated for because "eh it's turbine will work", then on the weekend someone runs the maintenance like if it was a old T-55, and soon enough it pops some engine shit and they have to abandon it in the field to flee Vlad and his buddies.

It's all about the money. A single one of those tanks costs a fortune. General Dynamics Land Systems is probably popping champagnes and having a massive party over the fact they are gonna get a order to replace the ones just sent to UA with new ones.

Good point. Been thinking they'd send Egypt-built M1s. These tanks don't have all the special bells and whistles on them. Also suggest Egyptian logistics/maintenance not the greatest, likely on a par with Ukraine. Least those are the tanks I would send. And 31 tanks are rather meaningless, just over two companies. Wake me when we send 500 M1s to Ukraine.

 

[Jet Fuel Johnny]

Sending tanks to Ukraine is exactly the sort of thing the current breed of Chateau Generals and Armchair Strategists in NATO and D.C. would do. As mentioned before the Abrahams might be pretty good tanks but they require a absurdly good logistical setup to make them work well and be deployed. You don't just drop tanks randomly in a place and then get a buff.

I would expect a lot of these tanks are gonna end up being lost because of minor issues snowballing into bigger ones. Ivan is gonna forget to do maintenance on the turbine one day, then the next someone is gonna run it on shitty diesel instead of the high octane gasoline they are designed and calibrated for because "eh it's turbine will work", then on the weekend someone runs the maintenance like if it was a old T-55, and soon enough it pops some engine shit and they have to abandon it in the field to flee Vlad and his buddies.

It's all about the money. A single one of those tanks costs a fortune. General Dynamics Land Systems is probably popping champagnes and having a massive party over the fact they are gonna get a order to replace the ones just sent to UA with new ones.

Fuck, I could give a whole lecture on the logistics of supporting Abrams and Bradleys with only a Cold War era platoon sized element (Back in the days when they treated privates like highly trained but slightly retarded and possibly drunk adults) for fuel, parts, POL, ammunition and maintenance. I took part in REFORGER, WINTEX, and RECONSTITUTION all back to back in 1988 and got to take part in handling tank and infantry units at battalion sized with our officers and SNCOs acting as graders. (Simulating Soviet targeting of the upper ranks, leaving behind only E-5's and below)

You CAN keep a lot running with only about 40-60 men, but those guys are going to be run ragged and have to be highly trained, well fed, well motivated, and have careful management, as well as at least 4 on-site medics and about 10 combat lifesavers.

You watch, the biggest thing they'll fuck up first is the air filters on the engines. That was such a problem that there were posters in the maintenance building reminding mechanics to FUCKING MARK THE FILTERS when they pulled them out because you couldn't swap them left to right any more. Once used, they can ONLY be put on that one side.

Edit (Just a slight autism detour): The thing I forgot to mention is YES, you can support 30 tanks with a Cold War Era platoon, BUT (and this is a huge hambeast butt) that platoon has to be supported. That's where the US military's autism comes in. That platoon will need support in getting the fuel, ammo, parts, food, medical supplies to them, and that shit doesn't teleport. Just ammo will require a battalion of transportation to get the shit on the ground before Ivan spots the convoy and blows it to shit. For planes to be used, air superiority MUST have been achieved. I doubt the Air Force still goes with the old "Acceptable Losses" theory of the Cold War. That platoon will need food and fuel, lots and lots of fuel. Just to break ground they're going to need 2-4 bulldozers and those guys have to be trained on running a dozer so they can build the berms. A backhoe to build the 'ammo pits' of an open air ASP. Same with POL. You want that shit below ground level if possible, which means more berms and pits.

I doubt, HIGHLY doubt that the retarded slavs have the infrastructure training to support those 30 tanks beyond driving them in circles till they throw a track. Sure, me and the crew could have built an ASP and POL depot in about 5 hours with dozers, fully loaded it and camo'd it in another 12 hours, but we'd have been snorting Ranger Speed there at the end and hot-bunking it for the next week. But we were cross trained to fuck and back and highly trained.

For reference, during a winter exercise they had the platoon I was part of go out and build a fully functional ASP and POL depot as fast as possible with as limited resources as we could get. It took slightly less than 72 hours to get EVERYTHING online, including the computer network, the uplink, the commo shed, the generators, the pits, the berms, the foxholes (with air cover), the weapon emplacements, the concertina wire, everything. We had our MRE's packed in our rucks, "no support" so there was a lot of running jerry cans by hand. When the trucks started rolling in we had to either hand-pack it or use the few rough terrain forklifts we had. We were able to build it, to support 8th Infantry Division and 3rd Armor Division, with what we could carry and pack in a single small convoy.

That's why I say that field exercises are vital to running a functioning military and think the whole "simulated field problem" that I see used a lot nowadays is a mistake.

 

[April Ryan]

It should be noted that the Germans were not going to budge on letting lepards be sent until Biden okayed the abrams. There is no evidence that any abrams will ever see the front lines or even get to Ukraine, I've seen people saying it would take at least a year probably closer to three, until the training and logisical systems could be in place.

Until I see otherwise I consider this to be a empty promise to make the Germans take their thumbs out of their arses.

 

[General Emílio Médici]

Fuck, I could give a whole lecture on the logistics of supporting Abrams and Bradleys with only a Cold War era platoon sized element (Back in the days when they treated privates like highly trained but slightly retarded and possibly drunk adults) for fuel, parts, POL, ammunition and maintenance. I took part in REFORGER, WINTEX, and RECONSTITUTION all back to back in 1988 and got to take part in handling tank and infantry units at battalion sized with our officers and SNCOs acting as graders. (Simulating Soviet targeting of the upper ranks, leaving behind only E-5's and below)

You CAN keep a lot running with only about 40-60 men, but those guys are going to be run ragged and have to be highly trained, well fed, well motivated, and have careful management, as well as at least 4 on-site medics and about 10 combat lifesavers.

You watch, the biggest thing they'll fuck up first is the air filters on the engines. That was such a problem that there were posters in the maintenance building reminding mechanics to FUCKING MARK THE FILTERS when they pulled them out because you couldn't swap them left to right any more. Once used, they can ONLY be put on that one side.

Edit (Just a slight autism detour): The thing I forgot to mention is YES, you can support 30 tanks with a Cold War Era platoon, BUT (and this is a huge hambeast butt) that platoon has to be supported. That's where the US military's autism comes in. That platoon will need support in getting the fuel, ammo, parts, food, medical supplies to them, and that shit doesn't teleport. Just ammo will require a battalion of transportation to get the shit on the ground before Ivan spots the convoy and blows it to shit. For planes to be used, air superiority MUST have been achieved. I doubt the Air Force still goes with the old "Acceptable Losses" theory of the Cold War. That platoon will need food and fuel, lots and lots of fuel. Just to break ground they're going to need 2-4 bulldozers and those guys have to be trained on running a dozer so they can build the berms. A backhoe to build the 'ammo pits' of an open air ASP. Same with POL. You want that shit below ground level if possible, which means more berms and pits.

I doubt, HIGHLY doubt that the retarded slavs have the infrastructure training to support those 30 tanks beyond driving them in circles till they throw a track. Sure, me and the crew could have built an ASP and POL depot in about 5 hours with dozers, fully loaded it and camo'd it in another 12 hours, but we'd have been snorting Ranger Speed there at the end and hot-bunking it for the next week. But we were cross trained to fuck and back and highly trained.

For reference, during a winter exercise they had the platoon I was part of go out and build a fully functional ASP and POL depot as fast as possible with as limited resources as we could get. It took slightly less than 72 hours to get EVERYTHING online, including the computer network, the uplink, the commo shed, the generators, the pits, the berms, the foxholes (with air cover), the weapon emplacements, the concertina wire, everything. We had our MRE's packed in our rucks, "no support" so there was a lot of running jerry cans by hand. When the trucks started rolling in we had to either hand-pack it or use the few rough terrain forklifts we had. We were able to build it, to support 8th Infantry Division and 3rd Armor Division, with what we could carry and pack in a single small convoy.

That's why I say that field exercises are vital to running a functioning military and think the whole "simulated field problem" that I see used a lot nowadays is a mistake.

Your input is exactly the sort of thing these "people" can't even begin to comprehend. They are so used to things being a certain way they don't actually realize what goes on into holding up the status quo. The people in charge of current shit have been completely and thoroughly spoiled by the end supply bonanza of the end of the Cold War and the feeling of power of being the sole global power. They have forgotten the basic concepts, they are absolutely accustomed to the idea of a enemy that cannot fight back at all and who they can simply take their time to organize a attack on from the comfort of a D.C. meeting room.

A lot of them are Obama era types that got used to just drone striking places with impunity after Bush made deploying troops actually icky and bad for polls. It would absolutely not surprise me if the people giving the O.K. to this deployment idea is some 35yo who was in his diapers when the USSR was still a thing thinking a tank is about the same as a large truck and the Ukrainians will just figure it out if they keep sending the ammo for it.

Then again, actually making Ukraine win this war is literally the tertiary objective. The first priority is to feed the MIC and grift as much money with Zelensky Landering Services as possible, and the second is to make Putin kill as many Russian zoomers as possible and waste all stocks of ammo and supplies he has doing it so they can get the fossils in congress and senate their fix of nostalgia and the Chinese the assurance they won't be paying attention to them.

 

[XYZpdq Jr.]

Fuck, I could give a whole lecture on the logistics of supporting Abrams and Bradleys with only a Cold War era platoon sized element (Back in the days when they treated privates like highly trained but slightly retarded and possibly drunk adults) for fuel, parts, POL, ammunition and maintenance. I took part in REFORGER, WINTEX, and RECONSTITUTION all back to back in 1988 and got to take part in handling tank and infantry units at battalion sized with our officers and SNCOs acting as graders. (Simulating Soviet targeting of the upper ranks, leaving behind only E-5's and below)

You CAN keep a lot running with only about 40-60 men, but those guys are going to be run ragged and have to be highly trained, well fed, well motivated, and have careful management, as well as at least 4 on-site medics and about 10 combat lifesavers.

You watch, the biggest thing they'll fuck up first is the air filters on the engines. That was such a problem that there were posters in the maintenance building reminding mechanics to FUCKING MARK THE FILTERS when they pulled them out because you couldn't swap them left to right any more. Once used, they can ONLY be put on that one side.

Edit (Just a slight autism detour): The thing I forgot to mention is YES, you can support 30 tanks with a Cold War Era platoon, BUT (and this is a huge hambeast butt) that platoon has to be supported. That's where the US military's autism comes in. That platoon will need support in getting the fuel, ammo, parts, food, medical supplies to them, and that shit doesn't teleport. Just ammo will require a battalion of transportation to get the shit on the ground before Ivan spots the convoy and blows it to shit. For planes to be used, air superiority MUST have been achieved. I doubt the Air Force still goes with the old "Acceptable Losses" theory of the Cold War. That platoon will need food and fuel, lots and lots of fuel. Just to break ground they're going to need 2-4 bulldozers and those guys have to be trained on running a dozer so they can build the berms. A backhoe to build the 'ammo pits' of an open air ASP. Same with POL. You want that shit below ground level if possible, which means more berms and pits.

I doubt, HIGHLY doubt that the retarded slavs have the infrastructure training to support those 30 tanks beyond driving them in circles till they throw a track. Sure, me and the crew could have built an ASP and POL depot in about 5 hours with dozers, fully loaded it and camo'd it in another 12 hours, but we'd have been snorting Ranger Speed there at the end and hot-bunking it for the next week. But we were cross trained to fuck and back and highly trained.

For reference, during a winter exercise they had the platoon I was part of go out and build a fully functional ASP and POL depot as fast as possible with as limited resources as we could get. It took slightly less than 72 hours to get EVERYTHING online, including the computer network, the uplink, the commo shed, the generators, the pits, the berms, the foxholes (with air cover), the weapon emplacements, the concertina wire, everything. We had our MRE's packed in our rucks, "no support" so there was a lot of running jerry cans by hand. When the trucks started rolling in we had to either hand-pack it or use the few rough terrain forklifts we had. We were able to build it, to support 8th Infantry Division and 3rd Armor Division, with what we could carry and pack in a single small convoy.

That's why I say that field exercises are vital to running a functioning military and think the whole "simulated field problem" that I see used a lot nowadays is a mistake.

yeah I'm no army-ologist but afaik that's always been sort of a "feature not a bug" that a lot of USA military gear depends on the logistics of the USA military keeping it running for longer than a day or so at best
a) MIC gets paid
b) shit gets in enemy hands? well okay go pay Raetheon contracts a jillion dollars for your tech support dumbass enjoy your paperweight lol

 

[Drag-on Knight 91873]

It should be noted that the Germans were not going to budge on letting lepards be sent until Biden okayed the abrams. There is no evidence that any abrams will ever see the front lines or even get to Ukraine, I've seen people saying it would take at least a year probably closer to three, until the training and logisical systems could be in place.

Until I see otherwise I consider this to be a empty promise to make the Germans take their thumbs out of their arses.

It sounds like some seriously stupid batchall logic to me.

"I refuse to send any."
"I'll send in 30 tanks."
"Fine, I'll put in 50."
"I'll add 100 Bradley Infantry vehicles."
"Well bargained and done."

It's in numbers that are too small to drastically affect the outcome, puts the roads of Western Ukraine and Poland at risk since the Russians will disrupt these supply lines, and who knows what the state of the war will be when they actually get to their destination assuming these tanks also don't fall off the back of a truck like the Javelins did. Especially when these same people were saying that they just need Javelins and HIMARS to win the war.

 

[Jet Fuel Johnny]

yeah I'm no army-ologist but afaik that's always been sort of a "feature not a bug" that a lot of USA military gear depends on the logistics of the USA military keeping it running for longer than a day or so at best
a) MIC gets paid
b) shit gets in enemy hands? well okay go pay Raetheon contracts a jillion dollars for your tech support dumbass enjoy your paperweight lol

The Duffle Blog summed it up perfectly.

(Use the archive link since they went faggy paid-to-read like the vetbro scumbags they are)
Old Article

Insurgent Offensive Bogs Down After Capturing US Humvees

Jun 11, 2014

MOSUL, Iraq — Just days after the Islamic State of Iraq and Syria (ISIS) seized control of Iraq's northern cities of Mosul and Tikrit, the group's lightning offensive has reportedly ground to a halt after ISIS unsuccessfully attempted to use dozens of captured U.S. M1114 Humvees.

"We were considerably more mobile with Toyota Technicals," complained ISIS cell leader Ibrahim ibn Abdullah ibn Sabah Al-Rahman. "But once we captured these unreliable monstrosities, our leadership started worrying about our safety."

"Now we can't even leave our base without at least four up-armored Humvees and an RPG team, plus we have to have three ground guides with reflective belts every time we are backing out of our parking spot," Al-Rahman said as he angrily gestured towards a dilapidated Humvee. "And don't get me started on all the protective gear we have to wear. Even the suicide bombers were told they wouldn't be getting into paradise if they were caught in one without a helmet, flak, gloves, and flame retardant clothes!"

During the course of the interview, Al-Rahman was interrupted by at least one angry phone call from ISIS leader Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi, demanding to know why none of the Humvees had their drip pans and chock blocks in place.

The M1114 HMMWV, known to the public as the "Humvee" and to the American soldier as "the fucking Humvee," is the U.S. military's all-purpose mobile field kitchen, capable of cooking up to six soldiers alive in as many minutes. During the Iraq War, the U.S. discovered that they were also extremely effective at uncovering IEDs, leading to the war-winning strategy of driving over them as frequently as possible.

At the end of the Iraq War — in a gesture of revenge — the U.S. abandoned thousands of Humvees in Iraq, an act compared to the Soviets seeding millions of land mines in Afghanistan, and with similar results once the Iraqis began to drive them.

The Humvees were captured by ISIS on Tuesday after being abandoned by Iraqi soldiers unable to locate the vehicles' keys, which they claimed the U.S. advisers who alerted them to this feature had never provided. Although ISIS attempted to use the vehicles immediately, they were unable to properly employ them because of the Humvee's incredibly poor fuel consumption, as well as unsuccessful attempts to obtain spare parts from manufacturer A.M. General in Indiana.

To make matters worse, in an almost-kharmic act of retribution, retreating Iraqi soldiers have begun emplacing landmines and other ordnance along the roads, easily blowing up the few ISIS Humvees that have ventured south of Mosul.

"In the name of the Blessed Prophet, these things are death traps!" exclaimed one of Al-Rahman's fighters. "How the hell could anyone drive these things around a parking lot, let alone into a combat zone?"

Al-Rahman then reminded him that you go to jihad with the mujahideen you have, not the mujahideen you wish you had.

Following a 35% increase in casualties caused by repeated Humvee rollovers, Al-Baghdadi called a halt to offensive operations, pending a series of mandatory safety classes for ISIS fighters. ISIS sources have vowed that the offensive would resume as soon as the classes had achieved 100% attendance, which would also give them time to capture some wreckers so they could at least tow the Humvees into battle.

ISIS has also apparently captured a dozen U.S.-made MRAPs from the Iraqi Army, but after two days had still not figured out how to drive them out of the motor pool.

It's going to be funny to watch the Abrams getting deployed, and to be honest, I'm a little sad there's no main battle tanks in Germany any more, they can't just be loaded onto the train and sent there to watch the Uke potato smugglers try to succeed in just driving them off the railcars.

 

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There was yet another case of a female cop reaching for a taser during a traffic stop and pulling out a gun and shooting someone. How many times does this need to happen before we can be honest and say that maybe women aren't made to be out patrolling?
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Edit: After doing some research I found out this happened in 2020 in Lawrence, Kansas so it's not recent but it's disturbing how often this has happened. https://www.insurancejournal.com/news/midwest/2020/09/29/584490.htm

How many men will need to die before we admit that YAY SLAY KWEEN GIRLBOSSes might not be able to do literally anything at any moment forever?

... All of them. Every single last remaining male. In increasingly comically stupid ways caused by a woman being in over her head who will face no consequences for her stupid fucking actions killing someone or by simps literally willing to kill you rather than admit the pussy they want to fuck (and the female attached to it) might be wrong about something.

 

[Takayuki Yagami]

It sounds like some seriously stupid batchall logic to me.

"I refuse to send any."
"I'll send in 30 tanks."
"Fine, I'll put in 50."
"I'll add 100 Bradley Infantry vehicles."
"Well bargained and done."

It's in numbers that are too small to drastically affect the outcome, puts the roads of Western Ukraine and Poland at risk since the Russians will disrupt these supply lines, and who knows what the state of the war will be when they actually get to their destination assuming these tanks also don't fall off the back of a truck like the Javelins did. Especially when these same people were saying that they just need Javelins and HIMARS to win the war.

That’s not completely fair. Say what you will about the Clanners’ incredibly stupid beliefs, but they failed just as much because everyone else was willing to throw every body they could into the grinder in as dramatic a fashion as was possible. If anything we’re the end-part of Star League. A weak and easily manipulated leader, severe internal issues that’ve gone unaddressed for longer than most anyone’s been alive, dumbass military ventures, infinite money being spent on shitty war materiel that’ll only see a sane end use when everything else is slagged ages later...

All we’re really missing is an obese Fu-Manchu looking motherfucker that’s ballsy enough to shoot someone in the head.

 

[Snekposter]

The French again?

"He is worse than a Jew. He is - may Allah forgive me even uttering such a word - one of the French."

All we’re really missing is an obese Fu-Manchu looking motherfucker that’s ballsy enough to shoot someone in the head.

You forgot the Royal Black Watch and their 'Mech sized bagpipes.

 

[Random Internet Person]

 

[Bland Crumbs]

We are at the point of not paying taxes anymore.

If you are a slavey wagey faggy cagey demand to be taken off w2 or quit.

Time for the working dead to stop playing ball.

Kill this illegal regime from the roots.

It is this or nuclear fire...kind of an easy choice.

 

[XYZpdq Jr.]

Clanners’ incredibly stupid beliefs

YOU DARE TO REFUSE MY BATCHALL!?!

 

[Ita Mori]

The journalists should be out of a job

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Jeez, I didn't know the press believed "college educated" was a dehumanizing label.
"The French" and "the mentally ill" is a no brainer, but damn, "college educated", that's pretty based of them.

 

[MarvinTheParanoidAndroid]

Back to back footage of Trump acknowledging Wiki Leaks and then denying any knowledge of Wiki Leaks. Trump officially lost me as a supporter, there is no "our guy."

 

[Aidan]

Back to back footage of Trump acknowledging Wiki Leaks and then denying any knowledge of Wiki Leaks. Trump officially lost me as a supporter, there is no "our guy."

You're late if you're just now realizing Trump is someone who isn't super duper honest. I find it weird that this is what sealed the deal for you.

 

[AnitaSarsleezian]

Rumor is that Putin is in talks with Afghanistan to buy up some of the shit Biden left there when we fled during that major cock up of a withdrawal. If so, that would just be the chef's kiss to this whole thing. Putin equipping the Russian military with American arms to fight against the American arms Biden is supplying to Ukraine to keep the money laundering going.

 

[George Floyd Sneed]

How many men will need to die before we admit that YAY SLAY KWEEN GIRLBOSSes might not be able to do literally anything at any moment forever?

Sorry but The Future is Female and girls are better than boys. You see, we don’t need men anymore except for any job that is dirty, dangerous, or unsexy. If a guy has to get unnecessarily shot by a girlboss cop then that’s the breaks!

 

[The Taco Santo!]

MSNBC literally said that:

The palpable longing for the days when there were three networks and maybe a newspaper or news magazine for people to get their news from and that was it always brings a smile to my face. Those days are over, journowhores, and they're never coming back.