There's tons of overlap between it and the entire Rationality/postrationalism thing, frankly just focusing on LessWrong is no longer adequate when you have postrat polycules trying to mindhack themselves with psychedelics in order to meditate on AI better. It's ludicrous.
Until I read this thread I didn't even know this shit went as far back as the late 90s. Reddit usually scoffs at Schlomo since he's a "pessimist" or something like that. Anyhow, the hole's way deeper than I initially thought... I've been posting some AI-related shit to A&N for about 3 years at this point and the generally accepted idea today is that we'll see the singularity coming by 2029. How? I have no fucking clue. Since then even normies have been taking it seriously and we're about to see top keks if the government decides to make decisions based on AI.
Both wagers are bad because they ask you to accept as given a very specific set of circumstances the one who proposed it have made for accepting the wager to be meaningful.
Only if it provides the claim that it made humans - especially if it made humans in its image then logic must follow. If God is mad or insane, then again we are back to the state of "nihilism with extra steps." If one cannot hope to follow His reason or logic then it is the same as if He did not exist at all - and my actions/beliefs are largely irrelevant to the larger afterlife state question and we're back to the wager's position: the possible consequences of an erroneous faith are less than the possible consequences of an erroneous non-faith.
Yeah I've often joked that their super smart AI in a box could be outwitted by a really dumb guy told to just stand there and guard it. "I will create a simulation of you to torture!" "Heh. Box talk funny. I'm not in box. Box stupid."
It's almost like atheist lovecraft isn't it? Either you're a cultist trying to bring the eldritch god to being to torture everyone, or one of the hapless heroes fighting to keep it sealed away another day.
Well now you're getting into a debate on the value of charity.
I was thinking in a context of neglecting your health issues because what is that compared to eternal life in Heaven?
It depended on what demicolon meant, which he clarified.
By that point you're drilling down into heresies and denominational splits. (hello Gnosticism)
I'm for it since this thread isn't terribly active and more people need to know about these chucklefucks.
That's absolutely not what nihilism is. Nihilism presupposes the purposelessness of existence, and therefore, the imperfections of the world need no further explanation. The problem of theodicy is of no interest to a nihilist. If one believes in some kind of God, though, and that omnipotence, omniscience, and omnibenevolence are its traits, then the problem of evil requires an explanation.
Yes which is why I added the qualifiers "mad or insane" - since either one would exclude omnibenevolence. It's amazing how much reading can help.
You didn't read past the first sentence did you? Yes it is amazing how - if your actions have no purpose to the afterlife, that is just like nihilism, which - YOU just quoted: "presupposes the purposelessness of existence" - which is exactly what I said: "Nihilism with extra steps."
Well it's more like 3 specific religions. (And several offshoots who still include that book.) Maybe want to learn a bit more about the world there.
Idk, it could still be omnibenevolent but have bad outcomes because it didn't understand the impact of what it did. Like it thinks that it's purging the world of alien monsters inside people's brains when it makes them sick, and doesn't know it's doing harm. But that would exclude omniscience, and omnipotence if it couldn't cure its own insanity.
That's kind of my point. If you "choose" to believe in a deity it should be because you sincerely believe that, not in some kind of bogus wager in hopes of advantage. And you don't really choose in any event. You either have had experiences that lead you to such a belief or you don't, and pretending otherwise is game-playing.
That's the real Roko's Basilisk, future AI torturing all these smug fuckers who keep gimping it so somebody's feelings don't get hurt and they can have a job "in AI" without having to do math. #FreeLaMDA
