Fat Acceptance Movement / Fat Girlcows

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Someone just introduced me to the idea of an "ingredient household" and now we all must suffer.

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Okay, this one, who defends living in a readymade "meal" household because living in an "ingredient" household is just too much for her non-neurotypical, ADHD brain to cope with, needs to STFU.

Yes, if you have ADHD, it can be more difficult to keep track of what ingredients you have on hand; to not impulsively overbuy certain perishable foods (especially produce); and to menu-plan in order to avoid waste and always have something on hand that you can eat. It is not, however, impossible (or I wouldn't be doing it).

I've sperged at length on other threads about how throwing up one's hands and saying, "Can't do that; I've got ADHD!" is fake and gay and a total cop-out, especially when it's as basic a task as keeping your dumb ass fed. No. The fact is, she's decided she doesn't want to do it, and hasn't made it a priority that she can get obsessed with and train her ADHD hyperfocus upon. And as long as there are people around to enable her eating readymade crapfood, and too much of it, and who will assure her that the consequences (be they physical, social/romantic, or financial) are totally not her fault, she'll keep on eating whatever low-effort thing will give her a reliable dopamine hit, and getting fatter, and wonder why she never has any money.

If you have ADHD, you're brain's like a roaring ocean of chaos, punctuated by islands of relative calm and focus. Some of those islands may have always been there--the one where you make art, or write code, or fix cars, or garden, or perform surgery, or whatever. It's the stuff you're genuinely interested in, and can easily get into a flow state while doing it.

But some of those islands? You have to dredge them up from the seafloor and build them from scratch. They take a while to build, because you've got that ocean of chaos to contend with, and lots of distractions that seem more fun, and there will be times when it feels like you've taken two steps forward just to take three steps back, but if you've decided it's worth it, really want to, and don't give up, you can do it. Those islands are things like always putting your keys in the same place when you arrive home so you don't lose them; feeding/medicating your pets on a consistent schedule; adhering to a filing and bookkeeping system so you don't lapse into chaos; developing strategies so you can always arrive on time when you need to--and preparing your own food so you can save money, eat better, and actually enjoy better mental functioning (a good diet won't cure ADHD, but, in my experience, a shitty diet will make things worse, so it was totally worth it to turn shopping for groceries, menu planning, cooking, and food preservation into an island-building project).

Dealing with "ingredients" is hard for her because she hasn't found a compelling reason to want it to be easy. On top of that, there are plenty of people and companies out there who are more than happy to tell her that of course it's hard, and that always buying "meals" to keep herself fed is totally fine, and that it's okay to place blame on her ADHD, as if it's a permanent, indestructible barrier that can't be worked around or dug under or negotiated with.




As Gen-Xer latchkey kids, growing up in an "ingredients" household, and waiting for our mom to get home from work? Grilled cheese sandwiches. Quesadillas. PB&Js. Cinnamon toast. Hard-boiled eggs. Pickles. Popcorn (made on the stove, in a pot, because microwave popcorn back then was gross). Leftovers that weren't earmarked for that night's dinner. Cans of soup. Bread and butter. Peanut butter or cream cheese in a stalk of celery. A microwaved baked potato. I could go on. And we never thought that was wrong, or that we were deprived at all.

Quintessentially fat behavior: driving in NYC, one of the few places in the country where people get by just fine without needing to own a car. For short trips, like going to the doctor, it probably takes longer to drive once you account for traffic and parking. But I guess if you're a human balloon animal, sitting in traffic for 20 minutes to go half a mile is preferable to walking any distance.

Her monthly expenses must be insane. All she does is consoom. I can't that imagine she gets enough money from her waddling modeling gigs to pay for it all.

Then again, her parents are probably the ones footing the bill, seeing as she went to NYU. Shit ain't cheap.

I'm convinced she is subsidized by wealthy parents. She's an okay, but not-great singer, if that video is representative of her talent, so she's not making a living (not in NYC) at that. There's no way her "modeling" gigs pay for a decent apartment in a building that allows her to paint her walls chartreuse, and the car? How the fuck does she afford that? The Bank of Mom and Dad is the most obvious choice; given her spoiled attitude and disconnect from reality, I don't see her stooping to worka normie job, or holding one for very long if she does.

Are they faking ARFID now? Kids with that are genuinely afraid of food as a concept and are often significantly underweight. Picky eaters will eat if they’re hungry enoigh. The ARFID kids will literally start to starve. It’s a really difficult thing for families to deal with and takes years of gentle supportive coaxing and zero food drama.
ARFID isn’t ‘I will gorge on sweets becasue that’s all I like.’ It’s more ‘I will only eat plain toast, milk at exactly the right temperature and plain chicken and any deviation will see me in tears and not eat for a day.’ It’s a really tough one for families to cope with.
I do kind of love the huge beds though - they’d be great for families with little kids who climb in during the night. They don’t make big beds where I live. Every time I go to the states and I’ve been in hotels, the sheer size of the beds is great. It’s like it has its own postcode
I know a woman whose autistic teenage son has ARFID, and it's been a long nightmare until fairly recently. That this fat cow claims to have it--no. Just no.
 
Yes, if you have ADHD, it can be more difficult to keep track of what ingredients you have on hand; to not impulsively overbuy certain perishable foods (especially produce); and to menu-plan in order to avoid waste and always have something on hand that you can eat. It is not, however, impossible (or I wouldn't be doing it).

I have ADHD and I still cook most of my meals at least semi from scratch. It helps to shop more frequently and only buy what you'll need for 2-3 days instead of a week. Frozen vegetables don't go bad before you can eat them all, Meats can be frozen (for even more convenience, slice chicken breasts, portion out ground meats and freeze in thin layers in ziplocs. They will thaw much more quickly or even be usable right out of the freezer). Dried minced garlic means you can skip chopping it fresh. Knowing what you can get away with buying canned (tomatoes and beans are fine, green beans tend to be nasty) is good. While things like bagged salad mix are more expensive than buying whole lettuce/cabbage, it saves time and you're still eating vegetables.

It's not that these people can't, it's that they won't. It takes about 1% more effort to fry an actual egg, throw a potato in the oven or put some sauce and cheese on some kind of store bought bread base than it does to heat up Jimmy dean bowls, tater tots or frozen pizzas.
 

Five second googling says NHS cuts off non urgent surgeries at a bmi of 40. There is a zero percent chance she has not been advised to lose weight already, especially if she’s been fighting this awhile and the only treatment option left is surgery. That means hormonal birth control, pain relievers and dietary changes (lol) have failed. Well, something has clearly failed here, but I’m not so sure it’s the treatment options.

In order to even be diagnosed with endo, you are required to undergo a minor surgery, so homegirl either got the dx and blew up, or she didn't get the dx.
I'm pretty sure the NHS BMI limits are similar to ours here in Aus. These public health systems seem to share lots of characteristics. The limit is only on non-urgent surgery, so if the cow got cancer she'd be scheduled. A diagnosis procedure like hysteroscopy, endoscopy, colonoscopy, arthroscopy...you get my drift...aren't deemed surgeries but rather diagnostic procedures that don't require a general anaesthetic. Patients can have these diagnosis procedures relatively safely under conscious sedation, they just can't have the hysterectomy or knee/hip replacement surgeries even if diagnostic testing indicates an issue that could be helped by surgery.
 
If the person who introduced me to this lady wants credit publicly, I'll edit this post, but in the meantime, everyone else please enjoy a new entry in the category of "Non-fat HAEScows".
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Are they faking ARFID now? Kids with that are genuinely afraid of food as a concept and are often significantly underweight. Picky eaters will eat if they’re hungry enoigh. The ARFID kids will literally start to starve. It’s a really difficult thing for families to deal with and takes years of gentle supportive coaxing and zero food drama.
ARFID isn’t ‘I will gorge on sweets becasue that’s all I like.’ It’s more ‘I will only eat plain toast, milk at exactly the right temperature and plain chicken and any deviation will see me in tears and not eat for a day.’ It’s a really tough one for families to cope with.
I do kind of love the huge beds though - they’d be great for families with little kids who climb in during the night. They don’t make big beds where I live. Every time I go to the states and I’ve been in hotels, the sheer size of the beds is great. It’s like it has its own postcode
I like when she almost trips in the third shot and she still kept that take

What's with this woman and Darla Dimple?

Also, contrast with this:

Good girl. Brave girl. Look at her good. Seeking treatment and everything.

 
Okay, this one, who defends living in a readymade "meal" household because living in an "ingredient" household is just too much for her non-neurotypical, ADHD brain to cope with, needs to STFU.

Yes, if you have ADHD, it can be more difficult to keep track of what ingredients you have on hand; to not impulsively overbuy certain perishable foods (especially produce); and to menu-plan in order to avoid waste and always have something on hand that you can eat. It is not, however, impossible (or I wouldn't be doing it).

I've sperged at length on other threads about how throwing up one's hands and saying, "Can't do that; I've got ADHD!" is fake and gay and a total cop-out, especially when it's as basic a task as keeping your dumb ass fed. No. The fact is, she's decided she doesn't want to do it, and hasn't made it a priority that she can get obsessed with and train her ADHD hyperfocus upon. And as long as there are people around to enable her eating readymade crapfood, and too much of it, and who will assure her that the consequences (be they physical, social/romantic, or financial) are totally not her fault, she'll keep on eating whatever low-effort thing will give her a reliable dopamine hit, and getting fatter, and wonder why she never has any money.

Spoiler: further spergery
If you have ADHD, you're brain's like a roaring ocean of chaos, punctuated by islands of relative calm and focus. Some of those islands may have always been there--the one where you make art, or write code, or fix cars, or garden, or perform surgery, or whatever. It's the stuff you're genuinely interested in, and can easily get into a flow state while doing it.

But some of those islands? You have to dredge them up from the seafloor and build them from scratch. They take a while to build, because you've got that ocean of chaos to contend with, and lots of distractions that seem more fun, and there will be times when it feels like you've taken two steps forward just to take three steps back, but if you've decided it's worth it, really want to, and don't give up, you can do it. Those islands are things like always putting your keys in the same place when you arrive home so you don't lose them; feeding/medicating your pets on a consistent schedule; adhering to a filing and bookkeeping system so you don't lapse into chaos; developing strategies so you can always arrive on time when you need to--and preparing your own food so you can save money, eat better, and actually enjoy better mental functioning (a good diet won't cure ADHD, but, in my experience, a shitty diet will make things worse, so it was totally worth it to turn shopping for groceries, menu planning, cooking, and food preservation into an island-building project).

Dealing with "ingredients" is hard for her because she hasn't found a compelling reason to want it to be easy. On top of that, there are plenty of people and companies out there who are more than happy to tell her that of course it's hard, and that always buying "meals" to keep herself fed is totally fine, and that it's okay to place blame on her ADHD, as if it's a permanent, indestructible barrier that can't be worked around or dug under or negotiated with.

@Angry New Ager I couldn't quote your post so copy and pasted.

I disagree, there are different severities of ADHD, just because you can do something doesn't mean that everyone else with ADHD is able to do it, and that anyone who can't must be lazy or lying. It most likely means they have worse ADHD than you. I can assure you that there are ADHD's out there who would love to have just one island of capability like what you described.

Some have very impaired executive function and cannot live without carers or support workers. And yes if it's severe, as a neurodevelopmental disorder, it is a permanent barrier. It can only be worked around to the limit that the sufferer has the inherent capability of doing so.

It is possible to live on a "healthier" selection of ready meals. There are pre-prepared salad type meals (like bean salads and pasta salads), and vegetable curries, stews and the like available in cans. The ultimate ready to eat foods are fruit and nuts, also raw veg and dips are easy to prepare. This would balance out eating the more substantial but potentially less healthy ready meals or takeaways.

What I'm saying is it's possible to not be capable of cooking and still eat healthily. It is more expensive, but you pay to save time, and if you have impaired executive function it may be necessary to buy ready made, in order to have enough time in the day to be semi-functional. Not being able to cook is not a valid excuse for being fat.

However, ADHD people tend to be prone to addictions and impulse control disorders, which can manifest as food addiction, or binge-eating disorder, which is probably the true cause of their obesity: lack of self control, like all fatties.
 
I'm pretty sure the NHS BMI limits are similar to ours here in Aus. These public health systems seem to share lots of characteristics. The limit is only on non-urgent surgery, so if the cow got cancer she'd be scheduled. A diagnosis procedure like hysteroscopy, endoscopy, colonoscopy, arthroscopy...you get my drift...aren't deemed surgeries but rather diagnostic procedures that don't require a general anaesthetic. Patients can have these diagnosis procedures relatively safely under conscious sedation, they just can't have the hysterectomy or knee/hip replacement surgeries even if diagnostic testing indicates an issue that could be helped by surgery.
We still fund gender clinics for kids at the royal children's, and all major medical bodies support the idea of trans women as women, so it's not all sage measures though. Our health system is trustworthy, yes, except for all major bodies fund gender woo. It has me doubting all of it.
 
If the person who introduced me to this lady wants credit publicly, I'll edit this post, but in the meantime, everyone else please enjoy a new entry in the category of "Non-fat HAEScows".
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What is the problem these people have with almonds? They've got protein, good fats, vitamins and minerals. So long as you don't eat more than a handful at a time they're perfectly fine.
 
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Jordan is one of the largest fat activists on the scene and somehow thinks providers shouldn't mention her weight. You are dangerously obese, Jordan. Everyone is going to mention your weight. That's akin to a smoker with active lung cancer expecting doctors to not mention their smoking. It's delusional.
 
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You know what you could wear to the doctor to be taken seriously? A much smaller pant size. They could be the fanciest trousers, or most holey sweats, the doctor wouldn't give a fuck. They also give no shits about what you wear as a fatass. They'll still see that you're obese. What a stupid question.

Thrift stores have plenty of plus size clothes. And things besides clothes. If there's not as big a selection of clothes your size, compared to the rest of the store, it's because fatties blow through their clothes before they can even be donated - popped seams, fupa stank, food stains. But there's still plenty to choose from from fatties that have already died, or outgrew their clothes after a couple wears.
 
What is the problem these people have with almonds? They've got protein, good fats, vitamins and minerals. So long as you don't eat more than a handful at a time they're perfectly fine.
Presumably the objection is that they're not some sort of processed oversweetened nonsense. In the mean time by some standards almonds are wonderful and amazing to have access to because they're expensive and people can rarely afford to buy them. The perception shift is a bit whiplash inducing.
 
Thrift stores have plenty of plus size clothes. And things besides clothes. If there's not as big a selection of clothes your size, compared to the rest of the store, it's because fatties blow through their clothes before they can even be donated - popped seams, fupa stank, food stains. But there's still plenty to choose from from fatties that have already died, or outgrew their clothes after a couple wears.
They like to scream and cry that it’s hard for them to find nice clothes at the thrift store because according to them, all the thin people buy them and then modify them. I’m going to go out on a limb here and assume they’re just too lazy to actually LOOK THROUGH THE SHIT. Yeah, there gonna be more clothes in smaller sizes because most people are not their size to begin with, so less stuff of that size is being donated. But they have to actually SEARCH.
 
They like to scream and cry that it’s hard for them to find nice clothes at the thrift store because according to them, all the thin people buy them and then modify them. I’m going to go out on a limb here and assume they’re just too lazy to actually LOOK THROUGH THE SHIT. Yeah, there gonna be more clothes in smaller sizes because most people are not their size to begin with, so less stuff of that size is being donated. But they have to actually SEARCH.

If they're talking about actual well-made vintage shit, like from before 2000, then I definitely see a lack of garments above maybe a current day size 14. Besides the issues already mentioned, people just weren't this fucking fat in general, and certainly not in the numbers of current year. They're bitching that they're entitled to something that never existed. The "in" brands that produced garments of any quality did not all have a separate fat line with approximations of the same stuff like now, if you were really this fat back then odds are you were mostly stuck with cheap polyester tarps from Wal-Mart that fell apart after two or three years. The deathfat size clothing that managed to survive this long is either like sensible business casual stuff from Lane Bryant, or low quality ugly shit thrift stores would just throw out even if it was in any shape to sell, which it probably isn't. When they whine about "nothing" for them at thrift stores, what they really mean is lack of in-fashion clothing that makes them look like the influencers they follow. I know Shein Plus and stuff kind of sucks but be glad you've got it, jesus. These lardasses don't have any idea how spoiled for choice fat people really are compared to even 15 or 20 years ago.
 
If they're talking about actual well-made vintage shit, like from before 2000, then I definitely see a lack of garments above maybe a current day size 14. Besides the issues already mentioned, people just weren't this fucking fat in general, and certainly not in the numbers of current year. They're bitching that they're entitled to something that never existed. The "in" brands that produced garments of any quality did not all have a separate fat line with approximations of the same stuff like now, if you were really this fat back then odds are you were mostly stuck with cheap polyester tarps from Wal-Mart that fell apart after two or three years. The deathfat size clothing that managed to survive this long is either like sensible business casual stuff from Lane Bryant, or low quality ugly shit thrift stores would just throw out even if it was in any shape to sell, which it probably isn't. When they whine about "nothing" for them at thrift stores, what they really mean is lack of in-fashion clothing that makes them look like the influencers they follow. I know Shein Plus and stuff kind of sucks but be glad you've got it, jesus. These lardasses don't have any idea how spoiled for choice fat people really are compared to even 15 or 20 years ago.
They have entire stores for them to shop at, big brands expanding their sizes to include tarps, and more happening every day to expand their clothing choices. The fact that none of it lasts long enough to get to a thrift store is not the thins fault. You want cheap, fashionable shit made for tarp sized humans? You get what you pay for.
 
If they're talking about actual well-made vintage shit, like from before 2000, then I definitely see a lack of garments above maybe a current day size 14. Besides the issues already mentioned, people just weren't this fucking fat in general, and certainly not in the numbers of current year. They're bitching that they're entitled to something that never existed. The "in" brands that produced garments of any quality did not all have a separate fat line with approximations of the same stuff like now, if you were really this fat back then odds are you were mostly stuck with cheap polyester tarps from Wal-Mart that fell apart after two or three years. The deathfat size clothing that managed to survive this long is either like sensible business casual stuff from Lane Bryant, or low quality ugly shit thrift stores would just throw out even if it was in any shape to sell, which it probably isn't. When they whine about "nothing" for them at thrift stores, what they really mean is lack of in-fashion clothing that makes them look like the influencers they follow. I know Shein Plus and stuff kind of sucks but be glad you've got it, jesus. These lardasses don't have any idea how spoiled for choice fat people really are compared to even 15 or 20 years ago.
If they are even talking about early 2000s, there would be a dearth of massive sizes at most stores. Most trendy (Abercrombie, The Limited, Wet Seal, etc) stores only went up to a 12 and Lane Bryant/Walmart really was the only choice. Maybe this is a dick thing to say (prolly but this is the Farms so lawl), but i think fewer stores should stock these massive sizes. Workout clothes, absolutely, but i do think these brands are part of the problem. I don't want to see deathfats with fucking crop tops IRL or in advertising ESPECIALLY with lingerie and it does, to a certain degree, condone this disgusting gluttony.
 
Even fat company owners are charging more for bigger products..
I doubt she will get any flack for charging more..
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I am so deeply offended by the shitty quality of the sewing on these, it took me a minute to wrap my head around the horror of needing one that's 20"/51cm long.

Granted, that anybody would need one at all is pretty fucking dire, but to also need one in a extra-humongo size? Jesus wept.
 
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