Manosphere Jordan Peterson - Internet Daddy Simulator, Post-modern Anti-postmodernist, Canadian Psychology Professor, Depressed, Got Hooked on Benzos

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Dude has a serious social media addiction. For real all he needs to learn is to close the app, that's it. He's a multi-milionaire getting mad at Twitter randoms.
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If it wasn't for those meddling troll-devils embracing their inner evil, he wouldn't have to spend most of the day screeching about how a Vegeta avi account called him a retard
 
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Jordan Peterson starts advocating for backward things like deanonymizing the internet & U.S. interventionism.
Jordon Peterson is controlled opposition lol. I still remember when he first hit the scene defending free speech on his college campus and alerting everyone to the dangers of restricting speech while using Nazism as an excuse. How far he's fallen.
 
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Jordon Peterson is controlled opposition lol.

Controlled opposition in most cases is just someone who is allowed to keep their platform because they're edgy but not too edgy. They're not a threat to power but give the plebs a chance to vent without them noticing actual dissident voices.

In Jordan's case though, I'm pretty sure he's been contacted by and is well under the control of powerful people at this point. Since the coma, his stance on the naughtiest of questions has gone from, "No, please don't make me talk about it", to writing irate articles about anti-semitism. He's done a complete 180 on free speech too.

I think on some level Jordan does believe in, "always speaking the truth", but he also knows that he's compromised and most likely a complete sell-out. This, I think, is one of the main reasons he's so broken. The likes of Crowder, Rogan, Harris etc. couldn't care less as long as the money is coming in. Harris put his race/iq stuff back in the box and has never lost a night's sleep over it. Jordan though, I think, struggles to deal with it.

In short, I just don't think he's built for grifting.
 
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DDR Yoga said:
Jordon Peterson is controlled opposition lol.

Controlled opposition in most cases is just someone who is allowed to keep their platform because they're edgy but not too edgy. They're not a threat to power but give the plebs a chance to vent without them noticing actual dissident voices.

In Jordan's case though, I'm pretty sure he's been contacted by and is well under the control of powerful people at this point. Since the coma, his stance on the naughtiest of questions has gone from, "No, please don't make me talk about it", to writing irate articles about anti-semitism. He's done a complete 180 on free speech too.

I think on some level Jordan does believe in, "always speaking the truth", but he also knows that he's compromised and most likely a complete sell-out. This, I think, is one of the main reasons he's so broken. The likes of Crowder, Rogan, Harris etc. couldn't care less as long as the money is coming in. Harris put his race/iq stuff back in the box and has never lost a night's sleep over it. Jordan though, I think, struggles to deal with it.

In short, I just don't think he's built for grifting.
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Peterson has said on multiple occasions that his primary purpose is to prevent more people from going to the far right. He is just a gatekeeper and I’m not surprised he is employed by another gatekeeper.

Regarding him speaking the truth, I doubt it. The guys you mentioned honestly had not dealt with the kind of heat Peterson received. For a period of time between 2017 and 2019, there was a segment of the dangerhair and legbeard population who shrieked ear piercing screams about him constantly because he told young men to wash their penis versus be ashamed of it. I truly believe he was not equipped to handle it mentally. The way he handled the over the top hatred was the most lolcow way possible. But he has many disingenuous arguments and knows he is full of shit on many of them. He just couldn’t handle the backlash about his warmed up stoicism.
 
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DDR Yoga said:
Jordon Peterson is controlled opposition lol.

Controlled opposition in most cases is just someone who is allowed to keep their platform because they're edgy but not too edgy. They're not a threat to power but give the plebs a chance to vent without them noticing actual dissident voices.

In Jordan's case though, I'm pretty sure he's been contacted by and is well under the control of powerful people at this point. Since the coma, his stance on the naughtiest of questions has gone from, "No, please don't make me talk about it", to writing irate articles about anti-semitism. He's done a complete 180 on free speech too.

I think on some level Jordan does believe in, "always speaking the truth", but he also knows that he's compromised and most likely a complete sell-out. This, I think, is one of the main reasons he's so broken. The likes of Crowder, Rogan, Harris etc. couldn't care less as long as the money is coming in. Harris put his race/iq stuff back in the box and has never lost a night's sleep over it. Jordan though, I think, struggles to deal with it.

In short, I just don't think he's built for grifting.
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I wouldn't say exactly controlled opposition. You can see his sudden twist to pro-zionist talking points and being able to interview Netanyahu that he's simply been captured by the Israeli lobby. And those guys don't care about shit except anti-semitism, Israel, and the enemies of Israel. From watching him though it seems he's still able to talk on other topics freely. Just don't ask questions about shit related to Israel.
 
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DDR Yoga said:
@870EVO @NeoGAF Lurker

Maybe you are right. In either case, he's one of the most interesting psychological case studies of modern times. How can a man have an IQ of 155 and think an all beef diet is a good idea?
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Having an IQ of 155 is cognitive ability. Processing information. It doesn't reflect emotional or personality traits. You can be the smartest guy on earth, but if you are addicted to collecting Pop Vinyls you're useless.
 
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Just wanted to pop in here to say that listening to this nigger on the JRE bandsaw back and forth between wanting to dox the planet for disagreeing with him, and crying about "censorship" from the board of psychiatry was infuriating. I had a lightbulb moment during his unhinged rant where he rattles off "psychopathic, narcissistic..." where I realized he's just doing the same shit progressives do to people they dislike. Except instead of throwing out -ists -isms and -phobics he's just calling every anon psychiatric snarl words.

And his argument for segregating anons/verified users, hilariously, used the same logic I've seen/heard used for segregation of whites and blacks from no-shit racists online. If the dude was ever sane he's gone off a fucking cliff.
 
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I do hope he gets a ball rolling big enough so that there would be some meaningful pushback against the WEF. Especially if it is a somewhat more liberty orientated alternative.
I just take freedom over equality and wealth.
However, his unquestioning message that we can "have our cake and eat it too" sounds awfully naïve. I guess political messages have to be like that, but seeing him out of all people selling something that sounds like a utopian political ideology seem jarring to me.

It also doesn't help knowing that for the past two or so years he just has been locking himself in a bubble and filtrating people that help shape and validate this grand narrative of his. That narrative being that neocons did nothing wrong, we just need to accelerate.

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Having an IQ of 155 is cognitive ability. Processing information. It doesn't reflect emotional or personality traits. You can be the smartest guy on earth, but if you are addicted to collecting Pop Vinyls you're useless.
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High intellect wielded by a weak spirit just weaves very convincing comforting lies to itself.
I'm not saying that Jordan is a "weak spirit", however after what he has gone through...
(his personal physical genetic health issues, being scrutinized by half of the world, deified by the other half, going through a chemical addiction, coping with having a dumb daughter and wrangling other menially ill people as a profession),
I don't expect any human to not break at least partially.
 
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However, his unquestioning message that we can "have our cake and eat it too" sounds awfully naïve. I guess political messages have to be like that, but seeing him out of all people selling something that sounds like a utopian political ideology seem jarring to me.

It also doesn't help knowing that for the past two or so years he just has been locking himself in a bubble and filtrating people that help shape and validate this grand narrative of his. That narrative being that neocons did nothing wrong, so we just need to accelerate.
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Funny, I vaguely remember him saying something about not trusting ideologies or something (rule VIII). And another thing, not saying I believe in the WEF, but just sayin, "assume everything will fuck up and learn to survive on bugs" sounds like a way safer plan than "you will have everything and you will be happy"

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Funny, I vaguely remember him saying something about not trusting ideologies or something (rule VIII). And another thing, not saying I believe in the WEF, but just sayin, "assume everything will fuck up and learn to survive on bugs" sounds like a way safer plan than "you will have everything and you will be happy"

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I don't see him as naive exactly. I can see he has some massive blind spots though. For one example. He was talking of the WEF, and said "I don't actually believe someone at DAVOS actually is saying we need to get rid of 7 billion people." And yet theres an impromptu video I saw of a WEF member saying something like "there are too many souls".

Another example is his stance on internet social media, suggesting everyone participating in relevant conversation should be registered by their real name. I don't think he actually knows that much about internet culture or history. This proposal is just ripe for abuse by bad actors. Not only those on platforms falsifying their information, but idealogues from within the platform, or government actors monitoring the major sites. It only perpetuates more enforcement from the existing power structures which, being run by humans, are obviously hotbeds for corruption.

Also I believe he is entirely too much of an empathetic and sensitive person to sit and read Twitter replies all day. But as you can see with his Benzo addiction, he has some issues with self discipline.
 
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870EVO said:
Another example is his stance on internet social media, suggesting everyone participating in relevant conversation should be registered by their real name. I don't think he actually knows that much about internet culture or history. This proposal is just ripe for abuse by bad actors. Not only those on platforms falsifying their information, but idealogues from within the platform, or government actors monitoring the major sites. It only perpetuates more enforcement from the existing power structures which, being run by humans, are obviously hotbeds for corruption.
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I think his biggest folly is that he has too much faith that we just have to pick what worked best in the past and apply it to present and future. However, we do not live in similar circumstances. Internet doesn't exactly work like the public square once did, but instead of seeing it that way his solution is just to artificially force it to be.

I may be unfairly reductionistic, but I am doubtful of many his solutions for contemporary and future problems when his whole shtick has always just been to justify why things in the past were actually good.
 
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CheapMeds said:
I may be unfairly reductionistic, but I am doubtful of many his solutions for contemporary and future problems when his whole shtick has always just been to justify why things in the past were actually good.
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You've watched Petersons work. He often corrects himself on this. He says something common, like "so they were fine". Then he catches himself. Then corrects himself, things weren't fine, they were just simply better at staving off the oblivion of existence. But I agree, I think he's not incorporating the modern landscape enough in his analysis.
 
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CheapMeds said:
I may be unfairly reductionistic, but I am doubtful of many his solutions for contemporary and future problems when his whole shtick has always just been to justify why things in the past were actually good.
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It depends how far back into the past you're talking. He seems to think that any society or mode of living prior to about 1900 was hell on earth, and that we started to walk out of hell after WWII, had a bit of a wobble with the cold war, achieved optimal living conditions in the 90s and then went too far.

It's an absurdly miopic view of history and it reveals quite a lot about his own shallow materialism when he talks about how brutal and horrible the distant past was. Sure, disease was a bigger threat in 1400 and your sister might've be burned by the hamlet elders for knowing a healing spell, but the people of that time were better off than modern man in many many ways. They were connected to the land, they were only minimally surveilled by the state, they lived alongside family and longstanding family friends and their work made sense to them. Most notably though, they felt connected to the divine and men generally aspired to higher things than washing their knobs and finding a better job. Go back further and around the world and you can observe far greater spiritual understanding. Jordan never acknowledges any of this above. Instead, the horrors of polio and lack of female decision makers are used as clubs to beat feminists into being grateful for Raeganism.

Jordan, for all his talk about Gwooaard (God), is so wrapped up in materialism and liberalism, he can't conceive of the idea that 1992 wasn't the apex of the human experience.
 
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DDR Yoga said:
It depends how far back into the past you're talking. He seems to think that any society or mode of living prior to about 1900 was hell on earth, and that we started to walk out of hell after WWII, had a bit of a wobble with the cold war, achieved optimal living conditions in the 90s and then went too far.

It's an absurdly miopic view of history and it reveals quite a lot about his own shallow materialism when he talks about how brutal and horrible the distant past was. Sure, disease was a bigger threat in 1400 and your sister might've be burned by the hamlet elders for knowing a healing spell, but the people of that time were better off than modern man in many many ways. They were connected to the land, they were only minimally surveilled by the state, they lived alongside family and longstanding family friends and their work made sense to them. Most notably though, they felt connected to the divine and men generally aspired to higher things than washing their knobs and finding a better job. Go back further and around the world and you can observe far greater spiritual understanding. Jordan never acknowledges any of this above. Instead, the horrors of polio and lack of female decision makers are used as clubs to beat feminists into being grateful for Raeganism.

Jordan, for all his talk about Gwooaard (God), is so wrapped up in materialism and liberalism, he can't conceive of the idea that 1992 wasn't the apex of the human experience.
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While I do believe most of his individual life suggestions are pragmatic and useful, especially for the average lost soul. I've come to see that the main agenda driving him is this.

He likes to mention the Story of Babel quite often in reference to the "WEF types". However, in his own political positions he clearly shows that he is all up for metaphorically building a tower that will get us to reach Heaven through materialism. His only actual criticism is that currently we aren't building it efficiently enough, "we just need to do it the neocon way, but do it even more".
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Pic has probably been posted several times already, but it's very related to my point.

In the end he is a statistically inevitable product of the technocratic system, if he wasn't he probably would not have gotten as far as he has.
 
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