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If one of the NATO countries gets attacked by Russia or China, are you fine with enforcing Article 5?
Russian Invasion of Ukraine Megathread - Episode III - Revenge of the Ruski (now unlocked with new skins and gameplay modes!!!)
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He was paid for his trouble by Biden for covering up his and the other Beltway scumbags for laundering the skim, and of course for giving Hunter a no show job, whores and plenty of crack. Probably has kompromat on every disgusting kike in Congress.
Anyway, enough of the midwits and their sperging.
02.02.2023 Kramotorsky district, Kharkiv region, Ukraine. Ukrainian resources report the beginning of the offensive of the Russian Armed Forces in the Liman direction. https://t.me/romanov_92/34589
Kramatorsk, Donetsk People's Republic, Neighbors from the dispensary pulled themselves up. The whole quarter is inhabited by the Armed Forces of Ukraine and the National Guard. https://t.me/romanov_92/34583
Armed Forces of Ukraine are already preparing positions west of Bakhmut
"All you Kherson people, are the same"
Ukroscum beats a mobilized soldier from Kherson. Asshole looks drunk. https://t.me/zhizn_fm_chat/50040
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CarlosDanger
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I think NATO long served its purpose and needs to be dissolved, I don't give a rats ass what happens to Europe, they need to start taking care of themselves, and we need to start taking care of our own people.
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Trump wanted to but the neocon boomers and their cheerleaders need to keep the MIC grift going, and here we are, one stolen election and closer to thermonuclear war than ever before.
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Well, appreciate the honesty.
I think the consequences of such lunacy would be dire, but I also think that America would be least affected, short term.
The pseudo-stability of the planet, with wars decreasing in intensity and frequency over the last 80 years, is undeniably a consequence of Pax Americana. But the underlying conditions for perpetual conflict still exist, i.e. hunting for resources and lands and enslaving those without the military capacity to oppose you. Russia and China would run rampant without the US.
You would suffer the least, because you have those nukes, but your partners would no longer see reasons to do business with you, and would seek alliances with Russia or China instead, and you will be bled dry economically.
But yeah, it is true you have no immediate worries. Deeply shortsighted view of the world though.
TrulyMan
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Your Dollar and your military industrial complex depends on our defense. Trump was too stupid or proud to understand this the same way Feline Supremacist above is too stupid or too proud to face facts, and that's despite our use of the Euro. It's why we invaded Libya together, due to their attempts to change the way the oil exchange was traded from dollar to gold.
You're a wild, imperial corporate empire. Everything depends on your prestige. Lose that and your dollar will crumble and your economy that has lost its productive base will crumble. You have the worlds largest deficit in raw numbers and if your currency starts spinning out of control it's Zimbawe levels of inflations rapidly accumulating from your extreme fractional reserve banking system with no world market to absorb it.
Russias geopolitical goal is to bring Germany into a Germano-Russian trading block the way Napoleon wanted it with Europe, but this time of course centered around Moscow and not Paris. To have continental trade and completely circumvent the anglosphere and its domination of trade and financial matters.
The situation gets more complex and dire the deeper you look into it, we're in this ponzi scheme together. Though as common plebs we're at the bottom of our still relatively high level as westerners.
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We won't be bled dry economically. The 50 states will secede and perform trade and commerce amongst themselves. That means 50x the amount of international trade we currently have. Amerexit will also allow us to fund the National Obamacare System and make it financially solvent again!
Just Some Other Guy
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Is this the cope Europoors tell themselves at night? Impressive.
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JFC you guys truly are naive.
How do you split the nukes? Who gets to keep the military stuff? Who will take the submarines? You think California will trust Florida with nuclear subs? You think Texas will be fine landlocked?
You will be dominated economically and technologically by the blue states. Red states are filled of spergs that are afraid of tech and wrongly associate tech R&D and progress with trannies and Jewish Sorcery.
Ignore the idiots you see propagandizing this shit online, they don't have the best interests of the US at heart. They want you weak and polarized, the same way I want Russia weak and polarized.
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ALABAMA will develop nukes via the ingenious and indigenous talent of its skilled craftsmen. Then the Eastern Seaboard will quiver. By then it will be too late. Not to mention that a nuclear-capable Alabama is a net plus for global stability!
Just Some Other Guy
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Careful. We got some euro-niggers taking shitposting seriously up in here.
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I disagree with 90% of your bullshit takes
I see the logic on this take though.
Nato is a problem what ever good it did in the past has expired. NATO was used in Afghanistan hardly a north Atlantic issue.
If Trump was able to pull out of Nato, and get a second term, There is a damn high probability there never would have been a Ukrainian war.
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The cowardly ruZZians are accosting the residents of Staromlynovka...
with food and pensions. Where is NATO now?
with food and pensions. Where is NATO now?
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Exactly. NATO after WW2 I can understand, but the Soviet Union crumbled and what did NATO do? They started pushing more and more towards Russia, and we knew damn well what we were doing, Russian leaders told us how they felt and we went back on our word time and time again that we wouldn't expand eastward. So then we start this game with the one country we knew would lead to a major issue with Russia with Ukraine. I don't care how well mannered a dog is, if you keep poking him in the eye, the dog will eventually bite and this is exactly what happened and then people point at Putin for being crazy and starting the war.
At the end who pays for it? It is the people of Ukraine who have been forced, thanks to the US and NATO and Ukraine's own corrupt leadership, will now have their country wiped out and thousands upon thousands will be put into early graves or maimed so some fat fucks in the US and Zelensky and his butt buddies make out like bandits. Just like the goat fucking leaders of Afghanistan who tried to flee the country with millions of US dollars but had to leave it at the airport to save their asses, but Zelensky won't have that problem. Does that mean I love Putin or think Putin is a glorious leader? Not really, but I think far less of Biden and most of the current western leaders who sold us all out to foreign countries, for a fate that will be no different than Ukraines in the end.
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Russia invaded other countries at least 7 times since the collapse of the Soviet Union, which made NATO desirable for Baltic states to join, and renewed the coalition’s purpose.
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The current New World Order is a Neocon/Neoliberal dystopia that needs to be kneecapped. It destroys economies, poisons the minds of children, sows chaos and promotes divisiveness worldwide. Our overlords need to be humbled, if not outright removed from power. If Russia taking Ukraine brings about their downfall, or at least cripples their ability to meddle with other nation's affairs, that's a good thing. Russia isn't the problem or the cause of this conflict, our greedy rulers are.
That said, one can have sympathy for Ukrainians who were caught up in this clusterfuck, or one can remain neutral but one cannot support Ukraine and be anything except a NPC or a zogbot shill.
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First of all nobody promised Russia shit with respect to NATO expansion. Bush Senior may have mentioned to Gorbachev that NATO would not expand east, but this was to the Premier of the USSR as the thing was literally shaking apart and nobody knew what was going to happen. It was also just him verbally saying something in the last year of Presidency. It wasn't even an executive order, let alone a treaty.
NATO policy has always been open door. The question Russia should be asking is not why NATO expanded, its why does every single country bordering Russia want to be in NATO. Somehow I doubt it's because Russia is a good boy who dindu nuffin, trying to get its life together, go to the moon and shit.
Nobody is MAKING the Ukrainians pay for anything. This is pure Russian cope. Part of the reason this war even started was Russias miscalculation on Ukrainian sentiments of national existence. The idea that dastardly American puppet masters and devious globohomo plotters in Kiev are frog marching hundreds of thousands of Ukrainians to fight against their will is farcical.
Keep in mind when the war started the US offered the Ukrainian Governmemt a golden parachute of comfy "government in exile" and they didn't take it.
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Its lack of History, and education in the west. No one knows that the Ukraine was apart of Russia Via the soviet Union for 3 quarters of a century, allot of Soviet Union Premier's were Ukrainian. The break up of the Soviet Union was a good thing, however it destroyed the social order of millions of people. Russians found themselves overnight foreigners in a hostile nation In the eastern regions of Ukraine.
The Oligarchs that looted Ukraine after the fall of the Soviet Union were not Russians, they were Ukrainian born Oligarchs like Poreshenko and co who are the reason for Ukrainians woes more so than the West or Russia. Ukraine did this to themselves for 20 years after the fall.
The Ukrainian Oligarchy found a friend in the Obama Regime's state department, in 2014 the Neocons and Liberals joined hands and walked in the streets of Kiev to hand out Cookies, Pamphlets, cash and Promises of Joining the EU, NATO, and all the riches of the west if they just over throw there democratically elected leadership.
With the help of the Right Sektur, and the Azov Battalions and every eastern European Neo Nazi with a Ukrainian passport rioted people died, cops stood down, and you have a new un-elected government that 40% of the people in the east had no say in. The goon squads started intimidating the Duma fist fights assassinations of politicians, burning out and murdering government officials in Odessa.
People in the East held referendums to break away from there un-elected government LPR and DPR are created, Poreshenko sends in his army, and Putin sat back for 8 years trying to get a Minsk agreement through the UN. Allot of fighters on the DPR side were Russians volunteers, there were allot of Americans too, volunteers from all over the western world ardently saw Maiden was another Globohomo CIA sponsored Coup.
Trump had allot of faults but when it came to NATO, Ukraine, and Putin he was dead correct. Russia has been been playing peace keeper in the middle east, managed to stop the Syrian war dead by intervining and removing Assad's Chemical weapons. Putin Stopped the other Puppet stooge Georgian Seklesvili from pulling the same shit in south Osetta.
Putin has played a very rational and sane game up until the February 22 invasion of Ukraine. He sent in Columns of tanks and had nearly one with out firing a shot, and then pulled everything back. He turned a sure quick bloodless victory into a prolonged shitshow stalemate. what it was that pulled him backThreats from the UN? Dissent in his own cabnet? Revolt at home? whats done is done, a prolonged stalemate that for the moment he is winning, but at what cost?
Sending in 150 tanks is not going to change the war for Ukraine, its just more targets and scrap metal to go along the prior 2015 war junk yard. this war needs to come to a conclusion preferably with the original stated goals of Integrating DPR LPR into Russia, and holding a buffer zone. What KYiv Kiev do is come to the table, or this goes to a real War a nuclear war and allot of people on both sides cheering this shit show on will find they arn't as far from the battle lines as they thought. In major cities it should be quick.
Food for thought from a guy who has been studying this horror show since 2014 take it as bullshit or truth. Just being real.
The Oligarchs that looted Ukraine after the fall of the Soviet Union were not Russians, they were Ukrainian born Oligarchs like Poreshenko and co who are the reason for Ukrainians woes more so than the West or Russia. Ukraine did this to themselves for 20 years after the fall.
The Ukrainian Oligarchy found a friend in the Obama Regime's state department, in 2014 the Neocons and Liberals joined hands and walked in the streets of Kiev to hand out Cookies, Pamphlets, cash and Promises of Joining the EU, NATO, and all the riches of the west if they just over throw there democratically elected leadership.
With the help of the Right Sektur, and the Azov Battalions and every eastern European Neo Nazi with a Ukrainian passport rioted people died, cops stood down, and you have a new un-elected government that 40% of the people in the east had no say in. The goon squads started intimidating the Duma fist fights assassinations of politicians, burning out and murdering government officials in Odessa.
People in the East held referendums to break away from there un-elected government LPR and DPR are created, Poreshenko sends in his army, and Putin sat back for 8 years trying to get a Minsk agreement through the UN. Allot of fighters on the DPR side were Russians volunteers, there were allot of Americans too, volunteers from all over the western world ardently saw Maiden was another Globohomo CIA sponsored Coup.
Trump had allot of faults but when it came to NATO, Ukraine, and Putin he was dead correct. Russia has been been playing peace keeper in the middle east, managed to stop the Syrian war dead by intervining and removing Assad's Chemical weapons. Putin Stopped the other Puppet stooge Georgian Seklesvili from pulling the same shit in south Osetta.
Putin has played a very rational and sane game up until the February 22 invasion of Ukraine. He sent in Columns of tanks and had nearly one with out firing a shot, and then pulled everything back. He turned a sure quick bloodless victory into a prolonged shitshow stalemate. what it was that pulled him backThreats from the UN? Dissent in his own cabnet? Revolt at home? whats done is done, a prolonged stalemate that for the moment he is winning, but at what cost?
Sending in 150 tanks is not going to change the war for Ukraine, its just more targets and scrap metal to go along the prior 2015 war junk yard. this war needs to come to a conclusion preferably with the original stated goals of Integrating DPR LPR into Russia, and holding a buffer zone. What KYiv Kiev do is come to the table, or this goes to a real War a nuclear war and allot of people on both sides cheering this shit show on will find they arn't as far from the battle lines as they thought. In major cities it should be quick.
Food for thought from a guy who has been studying this horror show since 2014 take it as bullshit or truth. Just being real.
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This is ignoring a shit ton of historical context. Like how before Russia took control of Ukraine it was mostly part of the Polish-Lithuanian commonwealth. And before that was the Cossack Hetmantate. Russias control of the entire territory that now makes up Ukraine, including the 20th century up until 1992 is barely 200 years.
The entire issue is in fact the Commonwealth and Cossack side of the equation being NOT Russian at all, vs the Donbass which, yes, are, and have been historically.
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Vast over simplification. People forget this all went down a few years after the Russo-Georgian war. THAT was the major turning point, because up until 2008 the consensus in Washington was the cold war was over and Russia could be worked with.
After that war the pro-Russian faction in DC intelligencia lost out to the hawks and the decision was made to fortify NATOs eastern flank. Ukraine was critical to this because if Ukraine remained in the Russian Camp it would be easy for Russia to isolate the Baltics.
Now we are getting into fan faction territory. The Cops "stood down" because the central government of Yanukovych lost legitimacy when he fled. Anarchy ensued, as it usually does when a government collapses. Of course score settling starts.
Fan fiction becomes lies. The eastern regions never held referendums. Russia invaded in 2014, they just made sure their soldiers had taken off their unit and country insignias first. Russia in fact achieved complete strategic surprise with this initial invasion, and they only stopped because the Ukrainian Army by some miracle actually managed to halt the Russian Army at the Battle of Mariople. In order to keep going Putin would have had to commit to all out war with Ukraine in 2014, and that was a bridge he was not prepared to cross at the time.
It was then that the sham referendums were held. The US and NATO, in the interest of keeping the peace didn't belabor the point. But to say that the danbass and Crimean referendums were some sort of native reaction to the Maidan revolution is a complete lie.
Damn, you almost realized what happened but then glossed over it.
He pulled back because he broke every rule in the fucking book. He launched a ground invasion in WINTER. He launched an Air Assault without taking air space control FIRST. He launched an assault on a major city of millions of people and didn't send his troops with enough supplies for a siege.
The Russian assault on Kiev was doomed from the start. The only reason it was even attempted was because Putin assumed the mere act of invading was the fait accompli in and of itself.
As for regime change in Russia, I doubt that's the goal at this juncture. The only goal is thwarting an effort to change European borders by force.
If Russia uses nukes, NATO goes to war. Russia will have broken the Budapest Memorandum, the Nuclear Non Proliferation Treaty, and the UN Charter. It would be a hostile rogue state with Nukes. It's either war or nuclear blackmail.
Maybe you should have studied more.
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