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[Snekposter]

The media and (to some degree) RNC will assuredly attempt astroturfing Haley because not-Trump, but it runs into the same problem even DeSantis would have of peeling off support from Trump. Milquetoast policy proposals and half-hearted MAGA attitude isn't going to cut it, you need the personality and charisma to actively out-Trump Trump to eat into his voting base - and she has none of that.

It's almost as if her advisors are hoping the woman card will save her once Trump starts directly attacking her, because clearly it'll work now after failing multiple times already.

The trouble with facing down Donald Trump is that the man has no qualms about going for the jugular right off the bat, and he's damn good at it. You can't hunker down and play defense with him, but instead you have to strike back hard... which is something 90% of the GOP doesn't know how to do after years of Democrat buckbreaking.

 

[part time friend]

ML isn't AI to begin with. All these machine learning algorithms do is respond to a prompt and then halt when they're done. An AI, of any sort, would have to have some sort of maintained continuity of existence and an ability to act of its own volition; it would have to have intelligence. Otherwise, it's just a glorified madlib generator.

I appreciate you explaining to me in the same sentence what ML stands for. but why in the fuck do you type machine learning and ML? Pick one.

 

[ForgedBlades]

Trump's take on Ukraine/Russia is a big winner. This kind of messaging is good. I think everyone (sane) is in agreement with him at this point.

 

[The Taco Santo!]

Oh yeah Bolton said he was gonna run I wonder just how delusional he is. Does he think he actually has a chance or is it just a small performance to try and score some good boy points with the MIC?

I think he just wants to grift money from the Lincoln Project and Boomercons. The National Review Ivy League closeted homosexual set will help him in this.

 

[Aidan]

Trump's take on Ukraine/Russia is a big winner. This kind of messaging is good. I think everyone (sane) is in agreement with him at this point.


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I've wondered if Russia would invade or not with Trump as president. Trump was the most helpful towards Ukraine regarding direct military support, he's the reason they had javelins ready to go when Russia invaded, but it is also something Putin didn't decide to do on a whim and he's not getting any younger.
That said, I think the response to the invasion with Trump in power would have been more hardline and he'd probably be willing to get both Zelensky and Putin in a room together and say they need to work out a deal.

Not that it does any good to play "what if," but it is an interesting thought. I had low expectations for Trump's handling of foreign affairs but he proved to be great.

 

[Jet Fuel Johnny]

I've wondered if Russia would invade or not with Trump as president. Trump was the most helpful towards Ukraine regarding direct military support, he's the reason they had javelins ready to go when Russia invaded, but it is also something Putin didn't decide to do on a whim and he's not getting any younger.
That said, I think the response to the invasion with Trump in power would have been more hardline and he'd probably be willing to get both Zelensky and Putin in a room together and say they need to work out a deal.

Not that it does any good to play "what if," but it is an interesting thought. I had low expectations for Trump's handling of foreign affairs but he proved to be great.

I think Trump would have knee-jerk sent troops in, done bombing runs, and had the Rapid Ready Brigades slamming into Ukraine.

Hell, he probably would have then yelled at Europe for not meeting their NATO obligations.

On that, I think it's funny that for all the screaming that Europe is doing about Putin, they STILL won't meet their NATO obligations.

Personally, I'd prefer if we just pulled out all assistance and watching Putin take the whole fucking thing, then stand there and laugh at them.

"Offer him free healthcare and welfare and maybe he'll go away!"

 

[Drag-on Knight 91873]

I've wondered if Russia would invade or not with Trump as president. Trump was the most helpful towards Ukraine regarding direct military support, he's the reason they had javelins ready to go when Russia invaded, but it is also something Putin didn't decide to do on a whim and he's not getting any younger.
That said, I think the response to the invasion with Trump in power would have been more hardline and he'd probably be willing to get both Zelensky and Putin in a room together and say they need to work out a deal.

Not that it does any good to play "what if," but it is an interesting thought. I had low expectations for Trump's handling of foreign affairs but he proved to be great.

They didn't invade during his term. That proves that Trump was right.

 

[ForgedBlades]

I had low expectations for Trump's handling of foreign affairs but he proved to be great.

It really was remarkable and it's a shame he'll never get the credit he deserves for it.

 

[Terrifik]

MADISON, Wis. (AP) — A federal judge in Wisconsin ruled Wednesday that a wrongful death lawsuit filed by the father of a man shot and killed by Kyle Rittenhouse during a protest in 2020 can proceed against Rittenhouse, police officers and others.

The father of Anthony Huber, one of two men shot and killed by Rittenhouse, filed the lawsuit in 2021, accusing officers of allowing for a dangerous situation that violated his son’s constitutional rights and resulted in his death. Anthony Huber’s father, John Huber, also alleged that Rittenhouse, who was 17 at the time of the shootings, conspired with law enforcement to cause harm to protestors. John Huber is seeking unspecified damages from city officials, officers and Rittenhouse.

U.S. District Judge Lynn Adelman on Wednesday dismissed motions filed by Rittenhouse and the government defendants seeking to dismiss the civil rights lawsuit.

In allowing the case against Rittenhouse and the others to proceed, the judge said that Anthony Huber’s death “could plausibly be regarded as having been proximately caused by the actions of the governmental defendants.”

Rittenhouse attorney Shane Martin said in a phone interview that it’s important to note the ruling doesn’t address the merits of the case, it only allows it to proceed to the next phase.

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“While we respect the judge’s decision, we do not believe there is any evidence of a conspiracy and we are confident, just as a Kenosha jury found, Kyle’s actions that evening were not wrongful and were undertaken in self defense,” Martin said.

Attorneys and private investigators for John Huber spent over 100 hours trying to locate Rittenhouse, tracking down addresses in seven states before they found the home of his mother and sister in Florida. The lawsuit was served on Rittenhouse’s sister, who said that he wasn’t home. Adelman said that was sufficient to qualify as being served.

Rittenhouse had argued that the case against him should be dismissed because he wasn’t properly served with the lawsuit. Adelman dismissed that, saying that Rittenhouse “is almost certainly evading service.”

“Rittenhouse has been deliberately cagey about his whereabouts,” Adelman wrote. “Although he denies living in Florida, he does not identify the place that he deems to be his residence.”

Attorneys for the law enforcement and government officials being sued did not immediately return emailed messages seeking comment.

The ruling puts Anthony Huber’s family “one step closer to justice for their son’s needless death,” said Anand Swaminathan, one of the attorneys for parents John Huber and Karen Bloom.

“The Kenosha officials that created a powder keg situation by their actions tried to claim that they cannot be held accountable for their unconstitutional conduct; that argument was soundly rejected today,” Swaminathan said in a statement.

Rittenhouse was charged with homicide, attempted homicide and reckless endangering for killing Anthony Huber and Joseph Rosenbaum and wounding a third person with an AR-style semi-automatic rifle in the summer of 2020 during a tumultuous night of protests over the shooting of a Black man, Jacob Blake, by a white Kenosha police officer.

Rittenhouse was acquitted of all charges in November 2021 after testifying he acted in self-defense. Rittenhouse’s actions became a flashpoint in the debate over guns, vigilantism and racial injustice in the U.S.

Rittenhouse went to Kenosha from his home in nearby Antioch, Illinois, after businesses were ransacked and burned in the nights that followed Blake’s shooting. He joined other armed civilians on the streets, carrying a weapon authorities said was illegally purchased for him because he was underage.

Rittenhouse first killed Rosenbaum, 36, in the parking lot of an auto dealership and as Rittenhouse ran from the scene he stumbled and fell. Anthony Huber, 26, struck Rittenhouse with his skateboard and tried to disarm him. Rittenhouse fell to the ground and shot Anthony Huber to death and wounded demonstrator Gaige Grosskreutz, 27.

This case is one of several ongoing civil lawsuits filed in the wake of the shootings. Grosskreutz last year filed a similar lawsuit against Rittenhouse.

Rittenhouse has maintained a high public profile, particularly on social media, where he is an outspoken advocate for gun rights. He has nearly 1 million followers on Twitter and has spoken at conservative gatherings.

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[Vyse Inglebard]

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Kyle Rittenhouse's lawyer says victim Anthony Huber has violent past

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[Anthony] Huber told his brother that if he didn’t start cleaning a room in his house he was going to gut him like a pig,” Rittenhouse’s lawyer Corey Chirafisi said adding that Huber did this while holding a 6-inch butcher’s knife to the brother’s stomach. Huber allegedly sat back watching the brother and his grandmother clean while threatening to kill the brother if he stopped, Chirafisi said. “Huber grabbed his brother by the neck, dug his nails in and choked him for approximately ten seconds,” the lawyer said. “He put a knife to his brother’s left ear and his brother felt it cut.” “I’m going to burn the house down with all you f—kers in it,” Chirafisi told the judge Huber said. Huber was criminally charged for the incident and took a plea deal on a strangulation and suffocation charge, Chirafisi said.

Sounds like a bad father trying to deflect his failure onto Rittenhouse. Fuck Huber, I hope he loses.

 

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Sounds like a bad father trying to deflect his failure onto Rittenhouse. Fuck Huber, I hope he loses.

It's not about winning or losing. It's about forcing Rittenhouse to spend the next 10 years of his life and 50 years of his income fighting them off in courts so he can never do anything again. They will destroy him, be it in a jail cell, via an Antifa goon ambushing him somewhere, or via the civil courts. He CANNOT be allowed to defy the golem and live.

 

[ForTheHoard]

Sounds like a bad father trying to deflect his failure onto Rittenhouse. Fuck Huber, I hope he loses.

Huber's dad is a real piece of shit. He's the one that was cussing out the judge and flipping him off over zoom during the pretrial hearings. I think it was over the decision to not let the prosecution refer to Huber and Rosenbaum as "victims," which is standard for any court to avoid prejudice against the defense. It doesn't surprise me that he had a kid that got killed in a self defense shooting and this is his punishment for being a shitbag father.

 

[OrangeJuliusEvola]

I like how everyone on all sides are shitting on Nikki Haley.

To be fair, I don't think this run is a real one. Her end goal is likely to become a K Street Shitter.

 

[Gehenna]

It's not about winning or losing. It's about forcing Rittenhouse to spend the next 10 years of his life and 50 years of his income fighting them off in courts so he can never do anything again. They will destroy him, be it in a jail cell, via an Antifa goon ambushing him somewhere, or via the civil courts. He CANNOT be allowed to defy the golem and live.

The problem with that here is that... they really do have limited lines of attack. You have three victims, each can more or less file a single lawsuit based on what happened. And each failure is evidence against the last. Additionally, each failure is evidence the lawyers can just file in reserve for the next.

The problem with them doing what you say here, though I am not disagreeing they will certainly try, is that the plans for it reeeeeally relied on getting the gun charge in. The reason that it was slapped on despite being farcical was that so long as Rittenhouse was found guilty of -something-, even just a misdemeanor gun charge, they could use it to haunt him forever in civil suits. It's why that odd addition was put in by the prosecution.

But then that charge got thrown out.

And in throwing it out, basically a dozen lawsuits -per person- got completely nuked as even possibilities. So now they have a much smaller bag of technically legit lawsuits they hope to weasel in. It is important to stress it was thrown out for why this causes such problems. A civil suit has a lower barrier of evidence, so an acquittal on a charge in a criminal case might result in being ruled against in a civil case and the evidence submitted in the criminal case can be used as evidence in the civil case. The gun charge though was dismissed, it failed to meet the evidentiary standard to even be -considered- by a jury. it is therefore not applicable and nothing involving it is applicable in a civil case.

So, why is the gun charge so important, and why is it not being useable in any form so bad for the eternal legal action? Well... basically, it removes any ability to claim the gun itself was a form of intimidation, incitement, or impropriety. They have no launch pad for it to argue it. So they are forced to use the manslaughter/murder angle... but because he was acquitted for it, they now need to argue that somehow self-defense doesn't matter. Which requires arguing intimidation, incitement, or impropriety....

And now the catch-22 is made obvious.

They cannot cite the gun as it was dismissed
They need to argue that Rittenhouse did something improper.
The only argument for it is that he had a gun and his 'victims' did not.
They cannot cite the gun as it was dismissed.

This is why they have been forced to make the incredibly sketchy and dubious argument that somehow Rittenhouse conspired with the police. An argument that passes prima facie argumentation since Rittenhouse was not immediately detained. And hence why this lawsuit went forward.... but now they need to prove he conspired with the police. And when this fails, not if but when, they cannot use the argument again and... they are basically SOL on their on Wrongful Death lawsuit.

 

[ChefKiss]

I've wondered if Russia would invade or not with Trump as president. Trump was the most helpful towards Ukraine regarding direct military support, he's the reason they had javelins ready to go when Russia invaded, but it is also something Putin didn't decide to do on a whim and he's not getting any younger.
That said, I think the response to the invasion with Trump in power would have been more hardline and he'd probably be willing to get both Zelensky and Putin in a room together and say they need to work out a deal.

Not that it does any good to play "what if," but it is an interesting thought. I had low expectations for Trump's handling of foreign affairs but he proved to be great.

The war wouldnt have started because Trump wouldnt have pushed for them to join NATO
and for arguments sake, if Russia still invaded anyway, Boris Johnson wouldnt have rushed in to torpedo the peace deal in march if Trump was still in charge
and even if BoJo had somehow found the balls to still scupper the deal, Trump would have got them in a room to try and make peace by now

It's not because Trump is some kind of military or political genius, it's simply someone who actually wants to stop the war vs people doing everything they can to keep it going

 

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This is why they have been forced to make the incredibly sketchy and dubious argument that somehow Rittenhouse conspired with the police. An argument that passes prima facie argumentation since Rittenhouse was not immediately detained. And hence why this lawsuit went forward.... but now they need to prove he conspired with the police. And when this fails, not if but when, they cannot use the argument again and... they are basically SOL on their on Wrongful Death lawsuit.

What I find interesting, and it comes back to the gun charge, is the person bringing the lawsuit forward is Skate Or Die's father. The one that was force muted by the Judge, who was on stream chimping out, Ralpha-male style, giving the judge the bird during the zoom call. IIRC that was when the Judge threw out the gun charge, too?

He didn't strike me as smart enough to know how to play baseball here, so it's probably just him pissed in general that Rittenhouse got a W during the pre-trial stuff. But man, if he was smart enough to realize whatever plan his lawyer might have had, and knew that the gun charge being tossed fucks any lawfare arguments he'd have in the future, well, that would explain the petulant bird-flipping.

 

[Sithis]

https://twitter.com/ChuckCallesto/status/1621141933245726720

Odds this won't make the headlines much?

 

[Forest Portal Triumph 747]

I may make a post on how I managed the self-discipline over my attention to pull this off later, but I've successfully avoided *every news topic* since November 11, 2022. When I saw that Arizona was taking a while to count and that they kept prolonging the count in Nevada, I decided "fuck this, I'm not gonna waste my time watching. It's out of my hands anyway."

I didn't look at Twitter one bit, I didn't look at Instagram, I didn't look at places like /pol/ or any subleddit that may be considered political, and one time I was in a Walgreens pharmacy and saw a New York Times newspaper that said "GOP takes back the House" and *immediately* looked away.

For over two months, from November 11 to late January, I was as close to "living under a rock" as someone in New York City could be. Had the luxury of people in my current social circle not talking about any news topic or anything political. Therefore I was as in-touch with the news of the world as someone in a secluded monastery in the Himalayas.

(Yes, all this took an extraordinary amount of self-discipline; I did post somewhat on the Chris Chan board but successfully ignored the political sections of this site)

For those two months, I had it nagging in the back of my mind "so...did the Dems steal Arizona, Nevada, and Georgia?" For all I know maybe they weren't able to steal them and I will eventually find out that we overcame the fraud in those states."

I come back after all this time to check on what's been going on, to take a peek, and I see that not only did they obviously fucking steal Arizona in an even more blatant fashion than in 2020, but Cernovich (whose gay ass takes I haven't seen since election night, November 8 2022) is blatantly denying it? DeSantis shills continuously prove themselves to be Neo-NeverTrumpers who will side with the regime on absolutely fundamental issues.

Yeah, fuck this. I'm going back to avoiding the news. Not just American political news, but news of all stripes (e.g. what's happening with Chris Chance, Bella, and all other lolcows; e-celeb news in general. I'll take a peek again on January 20, 2025. See you all then. In general I've been spending too much of my life online. I won't even let myself participate in extensive screentime recreation until the mid 2030s, when I'm over 40 years old (in my late 20s now). No video games, no TV shows, and no effortful online political discussion until then. I'll post every now and then after January 20 2025 but I won't be an avid poster anywhere online until I'm over 40. Too much of my time online is exposure to disgusting shit like Bella and Chris, or gay ass takes from people like Cernovich, or globohomo managing to pull off moves that the GOP establishment is complicit in.

But I am NOT a pessimist nor am I demoralized one bit, I'm fairly certain things will play out positively in unexpected ways. I'll post on this site again in around two years. Have a fun time my friends.

I came back to KF just to write this thread up: https://kiwifarms.net/threads/discussing-solutions-to-the-maladies-of-the-2020s.147536/

but won't really be viewing people's replies. It's a dump&leave move.

When I come back two years from now in early 2025, I wonder how the situation in regards to the 2020s and the state of the world will be.

I may post another thread months from now on the benefits I've received from severely lessening my time online and how to do it. I recommend that people look up the /r/NoSurf subleddit and take a peek at this website

https://defetter.com/

Yes, the world, society, etc are all in rather sorry states, but you can still live a joyful tranquil life, though it's fundamental to stop being a Screen Addict if you want to.

 

[Random Internet Person]

THE BIDENS- ROTTEN TO THE CORE​

Cartoon published on 02/01/2023

BREAKING: The FBI is searching Joe Biden’s Rehoboth Beach, Delaware home Wednesday morning for more classified documents according to a statement by Biden’s private attorney Bob Bauer.

Joe Biden is a tree of corruption that bore rotten fruit. I’m talking about Hunter Biden, the smartest man Joe knows. While that may be true in his own demented mind, Hunter’s laptop is a cornucopia of sordid gifts that keep on giving. It’s aptly named “The laptop from hell.” Hunter could be the person that Obama will use to topple his puppet, Joe. Will we see Big Mike (Michelle Obama) run for president? That seems far-fetched to me, but we live in nutty times.



Anyway, it turns out Hunter routinely ignored many laws, had access to classified documents in his father’s garage that he most likely sold and disseminated, engaged in money laundering for the ‘Big Guy,’ (his father) and now we hear he sexually harassed his secretary to whom he owed a paycheck. To get paid, he insisted she take a sexual video of herself in the shower for Hunter’s enjoyment. Hunter definitely takes after his sexual predator and pedophile dad.


Will the Deep State Swamp continue to protect the Bidens like they did the Clintons? That remains to be seen, but there are ominous signs the Democrat Party is ready to toss Joe under the bus. Democrat operatives probably broke the news about Biden’s classified document stash in the first place—most likely ordered by Obama. Now we see Biden’s classified document scandal growing to epic proportions and the FBI hasn’t even raided Joe’s beach front mansion. At least, not yet.

Joe Biden has gotten away with his lies and crimes all of his career. Like son, like father, Hunter gets away with everything, too. So why not sell pay for play secrets to the Communist Chinese and influence to Ukraine? Hunter must think of himself as untouchable. The Bidens probably won’t face punishment and I doubt Joe will step down any time soon. In fact, he will probably run (stumble) again for a second term. He’s that stupid, that stubborn, and that mean-spirited, but he also knows the election will be rigged in his favor again no matter what crimes are revealed.


Joe wants to inflict himself again upon average Americans because he hates America and those average Americans. He’s a mean-spirited, sadistic, narcissistic beast. Just like his son.

— Ben Garrison

 

[Vyse Inglebard]

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https://twitter.com/ChuckCallesto/status/1621141933245726720

Odds this won't make the headlines much?

Yep, this'll get memory-holed, it's most probably an instance of nigger-on-black crime.