Microsoft is fucking butthurt no one wants Windows 11 so they're stopping the sale of Windows 10 licenses this month

One complaint (among many) that I have with the forced updates that Micro$oft pushed with Windows from 7 to 8/8.1 and then 10, was the disregard for the system requirements of the newer operating systems and the limitations of older computers. A computer that was pushing the limits on Win7 could, and oftentimes would, be crippled by an "upgrade" that put more strain on system resources than the system could handle. While a mid-top tier circa-2013 and newer laptop could handle 8.1 decent enough, just about anything that wasnt high end before 2017 or so is bogged down by a full Windows 10 install with Cortana, Windows Store, all the Xbox shit, etc. in my experience. I have had quite a few times where I've "fixed" laptops that were essentially bricked by a forced "upgrade" by just rolling back to an earlier restore point on the old OS and disabling the auto updates. Even with something similar to my setup, you'd be amazed at how well a properly set up and streamlined Win7 setup with an SSD, plenty of RAM, and cutting off the ever-watchful eye of big brother can be.

It still amazes me that even with the huge advances in technology in the past 20 years with memory storage, processor speeds, and optimization of file sorting and RAM accessing, the associated increase in software bloat and sapping of system resources has rendered most of these advancements moot. You see it in web design too. Older web 1.0 pages mostly based on html were quick loading almost by necessity, with most people on dial-up internet. Nowadays with the vast majority of people on high speed broadband, modern sites are somehow slower, with the background pages, forever loading web banners, ad-cancer, web based spyware, pop-ups, etc. I think that the biggest benefit for internet speeds would be if all software developers would work on optimization of their software, instead of increasing the bloat just because modern computers are usually capable of handling it.
New web pages are the worst. They take forever to load, and the design of them means you get to see very little information without scrolling further (and loading even more).

Edit: and I ALWAYS use adblock, I can’t even imagine browsing the modern internet without it.
 
You really don't get it. Nobody is arguing for or against Chrome OS. Just that it's existence and market share is proof there is a sizable number of users who only want a cheap box with a keyboard that runs a browser out of the box and therefore it doesn't really matter what OS they use all that much. That's it.

You're right, I don't.

Bringing up ChromeOS usage in a thread about Windows doesn't demonstrate anything, any more than homeless people using soup kitchens proves all that what people really want, is soup. Ie, it's for poorfags and people without choices.

Add in a few simpletons who preach that their own simplicity should be the high bar all others aspire to, and you have the unabridged philosophy of 'browser computer' minimalism. An idiotic "totalfag" movement within several linux communities that completely failed and died long ago. You never hear minimalist hipsters and the usual autists talk about the inherent greatness of gOS.

Why bring any of it up as a debate point? Its not Windows or even really linux related unless you consider Gentoo in a chroot jail storing all your data on a Google server you can't control a stellar example of consumer freedom and choice.
 
You're right, I don't.

Bringing up ChromeOS usage in a thread about Windows doesn't demonstrate anything, any more than homeless people using soup kitchens proves all that what people really want, is soup. Ie, it's for poorfags and people without choices.

Add in a few simpletons who preach that their own simplicity should be the high bar all others aspire to, and you have the unabridged philosophy of 'browser computer' minimalism. An idiotic "totalfag" movement within several linux communities that completely failed and died long ago. You never hear minimalist hipsters and the usual autists talk about the inherent greatness of gOS.

Why bring any of it up as a debate point? Its not Windows or even really linux related unless you consider Gentoo in a chroot jail storing all your data on a Google server you can't control a stellar example of consumer freedom and choice.
Dude, there was a discussion that a lot of Windows users who unhappy with Windows 11 could switch to Linux because they only use the browser anyway. I used the existence of Chrome OS and it's market share, which has generally come at the expense of Windows sales, to illustrate the point that there are a sizable number of users across all platforms who just want a computer to be able to access the Internet and will be happy no matter what OS they use as long as it can reliably access the Internet.

There are also Celeron laptops that come preloaded with Windows that are comparable in price to Chromebooks. Trying to portray people who buy Chromebooks as people who just can't afford anything else combined with your autistic meltdown over the fact that I brought up Chromebooks in the first place is just making you come off like a complete and total retard.
 
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Not the thread for it but I hate this lazy take. You can just not use an OS that is blatant spyware along with the software suites that are spyware made by a company that openly hates you and works hand in hand with the feds who hate you.
Hyperbole my dude. Windows is always spyware, but you can turn a ton of it off with some knowledge. The NSA is watching everything we do online anyways. My point is just that Windows is convenient for most people and 11 is no worse than 10 with caveats. If I was running a criminal enterprise I probably would operate on Tails though.

On the topic of Win 11, I don't know anyone personally who is impartial to it, most of them get irrationally pissed off at the GUI changes but don't bother to look into how to change it. It is a boomer bane and I really don't get what Microsoft is going for here.
11 was a collaboration between Windows and Intel. Windows ten was supposed to be the forever OS that just got updates, but Intel came up with this P core and E core shit starting in the 12th gen processors that needed to be managed on the OS level. Most of the critical changes to make that work is shit that noone ever notices. Windows just decided to make some UI changes and privacy setting changes with the upgrade. It would have came out in a 10 update eventually even if 11 never came along. After user backlash 11 can be set up with the same UI as 10 which is the way I use it and the privacy shit can be mitigated with some googling. Most people really don't care enough about that though.
And if you expect the average normie computer user who just wants to check their email and watch funny cat videos on YouTube to figure that clusterfuck out, find the OS that works for them, download and do a clean OS install with no issues, much less partition their hard drive for a dual boot option if they want decent software compatibility??? Yeah, they're gonna go for a Macbook or Windows PC where everything just works.
Never ever partition your drive for dual boot. That just ends up being a clusterfuck and a headache. Install a separate drive with whatever other OS.
There are also Celeron laptops that come preloaded with Windows that are comparable in price to Chromebooks. Trying to portray people who buy Chromebooks as people who just can't afford anything else combined with your autistic meltdown over the fact that I brought up Chromebooks in the first place is just making you come off like a complete and total retard.
If my only options were a pc with a Celeron processor or a Chromebook I would go on a fast until I died or could afford something better. Your point still stands though. Most people just want facebook, youtube, and email.
 
I tried to get my audio stuff working on some distro years ago. I got Wine configured just so and got it playing with Jack (the Linux equivalent of ASIO) for low latency and it actually kinda sorta half-assed worked, except it would just abruptly cut out periodically and very frequently the rest of my system sound wouldn't work, so I had to manually reconfigure my entire audio set-up every time I went between my audio software and a browser or an MP3 player or anything else.

Life is too short to waste so much time fighting a nigger-rigged software configuration just so you can say you're sticking it to Microsoft.
Windows has an untold number of issues relating to getting audio to work consistently on anything beyond the most basic of inbuilt speakers, not helped at all by the decades of asinine manufacturers layering their garbage on top. You can have your setup working fine then you install something with it's own audio shit and suddenly you're screwed and have to uninstall it and reinstall drivers. Just vidya installs can still trigger this kind of thing. I'm sure whatever distro you used is the worst one in the world that audio broke every two seconds on, I'll give you that. Just windows is not much better than the average alternative in this sense. For all the years of software compatibility windows does have it seems updates have wrecked just as much of the house of cards that is audio software.
 
I'm sure whatever distro you used is the worst one in the world that audio broke every two seconds on, I'll give you that. Just windows is not much better than the average alternative in this sense.
I've been doing this stuff for the better part of fifteen years and struggle to think of a time when I had a problem with ASIO that a simple reboot (or even unplugging the audio interface) didn't fix.

Maybe the problem was Jack, maybe it was Wine, maybe it was the interaction of the two. Either way, I put more hours into than I care to remember before realizing it just wasn't a technical battle worth my time.
 
My experiences with Linux. I tried making the switch about 10 years ago for the same reasons many others are doing, because I didn't want to deal with Windows and its switch to in-OS advertising and all the telemetry bullshit, not to mention back then Windows was a huge cunt about wanting to update the system while you are busy gaming. Back then everyone was all "Arch, Arch, Arch, dude it's totally worth it, it's the ONLY distro worth using, once you figure it out it runs like a dream, Arch, and if that's too hard for you use Manjaro."

So I installed Manjaro. And hey, it looked and felt cool and easy to use. Hell, even the terminal looked and felt cool and easy to use. So I start installing some software. Then I start using the software. Then I realize the software is missing some rather important features. Features that I kinda fucking need because I have a brand new computer and not having those features means I might as fucking well have bought a potato instead of wasting all that money on a brand new computer. I look and see why the software is missing some important features, and it turns out it's because it's years out of date. Why is it years out of date? For stability. If you want the features that were added just a year or two ago you need to use this other repository that installs packages directly from the Arch Linux repository and do a full system update. I do so. The OS breaks and I get the option of switching to another distro or re-install Manjaro. People tell me "Dude, that's just what you get for using Manjaro. Arch distros are meant to be BLEEDING EDGE, where you use the LATEST SHIT, meaning you need to use the actual ARCH LINUX DISTRO. And don't worry about all that shit about the install being complicated, that was last year. There's installers and shit now to do all that stuff for you." So I choose to switch to Arch instead of re-installing Manjaro.

So I run the installers and shit. First impressions are that the system doesn't look as cool and easy to use as Manjaro, especially not that super cool terminal Manjaro had which was so intuitive and I could just open it wherever I needed to and not have to navigate the file system by manually typing the path and whatnot, but I figure hey, it's Linux, I can just make it look and feel like Manjaro myself, right? Except apparently no. I check to see what DE and whatnot Manjaro uses and install it. Doesn't look or feel the same at all. The terminal is a no go, and I can't figure out what Manjaro did to make it seem so cool and user friendly, but I figure fuck it, I'll just learn whatever's available on Arch. Then I immediately start stumbling on problems, and I don't mean small problems, but rather fundamental problems, like my audio, keyboard, mouse and monitor aren't working as they're supposed to. The keyboard is the first major problem because I'm multi-lingual, and I need a Swedish keyboard layout to type shit that an English one can't handle, but I also need to use an English layout to type all the stupid little symbols needed for terminal commands and whatnot without giving myself carpal tunnel syndrome, or in case of Linux at all because apparently the way Linux handles dead keys makes using rather important Linux things like the fucking terminal with a non-English layout impossible because it just won't properly register the key presses, which wouldn't be a problem if it supported International layouts without dead keys and let you use standard keyboard shortcuts like ctrl+alt = alt gr, which is an important keyboard shortcut for people who don't want to break their fingers, but no, that shit just doesn't work, and if you want to customize your keyboard layout you better learn how to program because fuck me if I want to switch layouts on the fly or install a no-dead-keys international layout or even just use the now useless Windows key as a shortcut for alt gr because fuck you, you just can't do that apparently (isn't Linux supposed to be more customizable than Windows?). Then there's the problem with the mouse, in that apparently Linux just hates raw mouse input.

There's no "enhance pointer precision" checkbox that I can uncheck to fix the shitty mouse input, there's no convenient "in_mouse 2" command that I can type into the terminal or put in some config file. All I can do is sort of approximate it by editing some file with a stupid name like ~xorg or whatever the fuck idiotic naming scheme Linux uses for important fundamental functions that you have to look up in a fucking wiki whenever you want to know where your mouse settings are (have you fuckers ever heard of "discoverability"? You know, that thing that lets people guess where shit can be found without having to open up a fucking manual by using context clues like the name? Names like "mouse" for settings related to the fucking mouse?) and input an arcane string of text that contains symbols that I can't fucking type because the fucking keyboard layout doesn't support them because Linux doesn't know how to handle dead keys, so I essentially have to copy paste everything from the wiki. Then the sound. I have no clue why the sound was so hard to get working, but apparently it could be boiled down to "lol, you bought the wrong sound card so you have to use this substandard shit instead". Then comes a really strange problem. Everything finally starts to look halfway decent and even though I'm still struggling with making keyboard layouts function in a sane way I can at least start using the thing. So I start my browser and everything looks and feels weird. All other programs? Look fine, feel fine, scroll fine. Chromium and Firefox? Blurry as shit, feels like my 144hz monitor is running or 30hz or something, and the scrolling is just wrong and causes shit to smear and oh god my eyes are burning. I start searching and searching to see what the fucking problem is. "lol Nvidia, should've bought an ATI." Wait, what? Why the fuck would having an Nvidia card make my browser look like shit but not anything else? That can't be right. Whatever. I start installing the software and stuff, use the OS for a few days, follow the instructions in the wiki clearly, especially the part that Arch only supports full system-wide updates and you should do them whenever installing new software. I do that. Works fine, until suddenly it doesn't. I install a piece of software (think it was a video player, might even have been VLC), do the same copy pasted full system update and the OS again just fucking breaks, even though the Arch wiki specifically told me to use this exact command to stop precisely this from happening and even though it had worked the past several times I did it.

Fuck Arch.

Okay, what's next? "Bro, you're a newbie, fuck these Arch fags, just use Mint. It's basically just like Windows, it just doesn't work quite as well with games and shit." Okay, if Mint is basically just like Windows but worse, why don't I just use Windows? I said fuck it and installed Windows 10. I've had plenty of problems with Windows 10, but unlike with Linux I've been able to solve those problems without my OS breaking or having to resort to satanic black magic rituals, and Microsoft doesn't tell you to go fuck yourself if you need a non-English keyboard layout and you can even install custom ones made by randos on the Internet by just downloading them and running them on the spot.

Linux works well when it works, but when it shits itself it shits itself so hard you have to reinstall your entire OS, something I haven't experienced in Windows since XP, and I spent more time maintaining my system than actually using it. Shit, using Arch was like playing Skyrim, where you spend more time installing mods and messing with load orders than actually playing the game. A Linux fag in uni told me that my problem with Linux is that I was trying to update it, period. He was a Gentoo user and basically said once you have it working you're not supposed to update things. Ever. Because if you do, shit that used to work no longer works. How fucking great.
 
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Okay, what's next? "Bro, you're a newbie, fuck these Arch fags, just use Mint. It's basically just like Windows, it just doesn't work quite as well with games and shit." Okay, if Mint is basically just like Windows but worse, why don't I just use Windows?
You answered this already at the beginning of your post:
I tried making the switch about 10 years ago for the same reasons many others are doing, because I didn't want to deal with Windows and its switch to in-OS advertising and all the telemetry bullshit, not to mention back then Windows was a huge cunt about wanting to update the system while you are busy gaming.
Windows works fine for what I personally use a PC for. Linux works fine for what I personally use a PC for. I have used both so much I can move in and out of them without thinking about it. Why would I use Windows and put up with telemetry, in-OS advertising and Microsoft trying to corral me into logging into a Microsoft account if Mint is fine? The issue for me has never been Windows is a bad operating system that doesn't work. It has been Microsoft are dickheads and I don't want to deal with their shit so I can use this other thing that also works fine for what I need to do.

I'm not telling to to use Linux if you don't like it. I'm just saying most people who aren't zealots use it because it's "good enough" for what they're doing and they want an alternative because they don't like Microsoft's bullshit.
 
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You answered this already at the beginning of your post:

Windows works fine for what I personally use a PC for. Linux works fine for what I personally use a PC for. I have used both so much I can move in and out of them without thinking about it. Why would I use Windows and put up with telemetry, in-OS advertising and Microsoft trying to corral me into logging into a Microsoft account if Mint is fine? The issue for me has never been Windows is a bad operating system that doesn't work. It has been Microsoft are dickheads and I don't want to deal with their shit so I can use this other thing that also works fine for what I need to do.

I'm not telling to to use Linux if you don't like it. I'm just saying most people who aren't zealots use it because it's "good enough" for what they're doing and they don't like Microsoft's bullshit.
Yeah, but the thing is by the time I finally bit the bullet and went for Windows 10 it had already been out for a good long while, by which time the trash had mostly been ironed out and people had figured out how to disable most of the disgusting ad/telemetry BS and made easy to follow guides on exactly how to do so, which made my transition from Windows 7 to Windows 10 mostly painless (it only took me an hour or two to have everything set up right). My strategy with Windows 11 is probably going to be mostly the same, hold off on upgrading until I absolutely have to and pray most of the bugs and bullshit has been ironed out by the time I finally make the switch. If it's still garbage tier shit I'll give Linux another try, but with what I've heard lately about Linux and the FOSS sphere having been completely overrun by trannies I'm not holding my breath on Linux being any better than Windows, especially with how shit my experience was last time (seriously, how is it possible for supposed tech nerds to handle something so fundamental as mouse input so badly). I have autism. Linux is supposed to be for people like me.
 
A Linux fag in uni told me that my problem with Linux is that I was trying to update it, period. He was a Gentoo user and basically said once you have it working you're not supposed to update things. Ever. Because if you do, shit that used to work no longer works. How fucking great.
That's because Gentoo is on a whole different level of autism and should be treated more as a hobby OS, where you'd be willing to spend more time building the OS compared to doing anything productive with that OS you spent the last three days compiling.
If you are looking for a version of Linux that "just works" then Ubuntu will probably be your best bet here - it has mostly escaped the autistic ramblings of other distros and is pretty hard to fuck up from experience. I've been running it on a small personal server machine for a couple years now and its ran pretty much flawlessly for whatever I've thrown at it.
 
Ubuntu broke OpenGL with an overnight update. It's so unstable that we won't support it at work.

Linux is just a kernel. You *could* build a great desktop OS on top of this, the way Google built the world's #1 mobile OS on it, or the way RedHat built an excellent server utility OS on it, but nobody has done this because it's an enormously expensive project with no obvious payoff for anyone. So the desktop versions are all poorly-maintained kludges that are perpetually 5 years away from being good.
 
Ubuntu broke OpenGL with an overnight update. It's so unstable that we won't support it at work.

Linux is just a kernel. You *could* build a great desktop OS on top of this, the way Google built the world's #1 mobile OS on it, or the way RedHat built an excellent server utility OS on it, but nobody has done this because it's an enormously expensive project with no obvious payoff for anyone. So the desktop versions are all poorly-maintained kludges that are perpetually 5 years away from being good.
I'd just like to interject for a moment. What you're refering to as Linux, is in fact, GNU/Linux, or as I've recently taken to calling it, GNU plus Linux. Linux is not an operating system unto itself, but rather another free component of a fully functioning GNU system made useful by the GNU corelibs, shell utilities and vital system components comprising a full OS as defined by POSIX.

Many computer users run a modified version of the GNU system every day, without realizing it. Through a peculiar turn of events, the version of GNU which is widely used today is often called Linux, and many of its users are not aware that it is basically the GNU system, developed by the GNU Project.

There really is a Linux, and these people are using it, but it is just a part of the system they use. Linux is the kernel: the program in the system that allocates the machine's resources to the other programs that you run. The kernel is an essential part of an operating system, but useless by itself; it can only function in the context of a complete operating system. Linux is normally used in combination with the GNU operating system: the whole system is basically GNU with Linux added, or GNU/Linux. All the so-called Linux distributions are really distributions of GNU/Linux!
 
I just want to point out that it's February 2 and you can still buy Windows 10 licenses from various third-party resellers. Sorry to everyone who panic-bought dozens of them.
The Win10 media creation tool is still available: https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/software-download/windows10

It seems like the only thing "turned off" is your ability to pay Microsoft directly to get a license.
 
My criticisms of Linux aside, holy Christ Windows is a pile of shit. I've got five computers on a network right now (some wired, some wireless) and all communicate perfectly fine except for one pair and only going one direction.

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B refuses to see E on the network no matter what settings I've tried. But if I ping it first, it will time out the first two pings, then recognize it, and then the connection will work just fine for a while. I made a batch file called "MAKE SERVER WORK.BAT" that I run every time I want to look at E, but I still have no idea why it works or what the problem is.

Ultimately, it doesn't matter if it's Windows or MacOS or Linux or FreeBSD or Commodore KERNAL - I fucking hate computers.
 
You're right, I don't.

Bringing up ChromeOS usage in a thread about Windows doesn't demonstrate anything, any more than homeless people using soup kitchens proves all that what people really want, is soup. Ie, it's for poorfags and people without choices.

Add in a few simpletons who preach that their own simplicity should be the high bar all others aspire to, and you have the unabridged philosophy of 'browser computer' minimalism. An idiotic "totalfag" movement within several linux communities that completely failed and died long ago. You never hear minimalist hipsters and the usual autists talk about the inherent greatness of gOS.

Why bring any of it up as a debate point? Its not Windows or even really linux related unless you consider Gentoo in a chroot jail storing all your data on a Google server you can't control a stellar example of consumer freedom and choice.
ChromeOS is a great Linux distribution.
 
For all the people saying some variation of "This is what Linux needs to finally replace Windows". Maybe it'll happen. It has been happening slowly since Windows's market share is slipping. I want it to happen that people stop using MicroShaft's shitty software.

But I've been daily driving Linux for 14 years now. I had to dual boot Linux/Windows in college but now I don't really even have a Windows machine anymore and I honestly can't relate to people that use Windows since I haven't used it much since the Vista days. I've learned that most people are just going to complain and then cuck out at the last second and give MicroShaft their money.

For anyone who is curious about changing OS, Linux Mint is easy to use.
 
For anyone who is curious about changing OS, Linux Mint is easy to use.
Again, the problem is not that users desperately want a GUI that looks like Windows. Millions and millions of Windows users happily learned Android or iOS and I'm not sure I've ever heard anyone since 2007 say "I wish this looked more like Windows".
 
Again, the problem is not that users desperately want a GUI that looks like Windows. Millions and millions of Windows users happily learned Android or iOS and I'm not sure I've ever heard anyone since 2007 say "I wish this looked more like Windows".
Its pointless anyway. Most people are just complaining for therapy anyway. 95%+ of people who moan about Windows will still get the next version anyway.
 
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