Diseased Sanctioned Suicide - "Kill yourself" but unironically with sodium nitrite. Higher death count than the Farms. Targeted by parents, legislators, and journalists looking to alter Section 230.

[DetachedDreamer97]

Hello! I'm new here, and I'm glad I've found a place to discuss this.

I was a long time member of the community, or the eldest member before I ended up getting banned. Over the past several years of my suicide quest, I gradually went through a change in which I started becoming "pro-life", I guess, and here I am.

When I realized my worth and gained the will to live, I decided to try sharing my insights to the rest of the community that was decaying with victimhood in hopes I'd free some lost souls. Unfortunately, when I tried providing universal solutions to every problem (including tramsgenderism and other identity politics), I got intercepted by the admin, RainAndSadness. I didn’t really say anything offensive, and if I came across thay way and I've upset someone, I'd explain myself and make more calculative attempts at getting to the bottom of it all.

Unfortunately, what I've tried telling the admin made no difference, as he refused to listen; it was like talking to a brick wall. While it was true I was harsh in my second engagement, I previously tried being respectful the first time we've engaged (more on that later), so I thought it to be more effective to just bark back, and also... he was being incredibly stupid with her accusation, especially when he kept twisting my words. So, yes... I concur that the admin is a literal tyrant, but not only that, but a total narcissist the more I think about it (and I had a friend confirm it when I showed the DMs). He not only kept twisting my words, but he also gaslighted, triangulated, and projected his negative feelings onto me (everything he's called me is literally how he sees himself), and that itself begs the question: what if it was him who's responsible for SaSu members getting scammed from that fake PPeH email address back in 2021?

While it is a bold suggestion, but based on experience and observations alone, or just hearing about it, anyone who's quick to blame someone for a crime without proof are likely the ones who are guilty of said crime. It takes a lot for me to come to that conclusion; I typically see the best in people, and I genuinely thought he was a decent person who's just being an idiot. But based on my recent interaction with him, I'm not too sure anymore.

He claims that I scam people, but personally, I have no reason to, and even so, I would never cross that line and screw people over for personal gain. If that were the case, I'd be selling my methods, but no. Everything I do is out of good faith (as misguided as I was back then). But I believe he does. What if it wasn't insurance that covered the facial feminization surgery, but instead, it was the money that's been taken from other members. To transition is a very expensive process, and coincidentally, he made a post 14 days prior to the thread about the fake PPeH address? And when people simply suggested that they got it from her file, she was very defensive and started getting accusatory. There's a chance I could be wrong, but it's a hunch, and I tend to be right.

Back to the subject: I believe the forum has degraded over the years, and it's only going to get worse with the wokeness. But I understand why most of them are like this, and are constantly killing themselves.

It's to do with nihilism, and their slave morality. To sum it up, they need someone to help them realize their worth and teach them to become stronger and resilient in life's many challenges. Sure, we could try to improve society, but let's be honest here: no one cares enough to make changes. This is a dog-eat-dog world, where only the strong survive. To be free from this misery, they have to save themselves, and not stake their entire identity on victimhood. They need to put in the work and start self-actualizing.

As for whether the site should continue to exist, that's a question I'm which I'm unsure of the answer, but if people wish for the forum to remain online, it must reform into something better, and not have it be toxic to such a degree.

 

[pizzarat]

Hello! I'm new here, and I'm glad I've found a place to discuss this.

I was a long time member of the community, or the eldest member before I ended up getting banned. Over the past several years of my suicide quest, I gradually went through a change in which I started becoming "pro-life", I guess, and here I am.

When I realized my worth and gained the will to live, I decided to try sharing my insights to the rest of the community that was decaying with victimhood in hopes I'd free some lost souls. Unfortunately, when I tried providing universal solutions to every problem (including tramsgenderism and other identity politics), I got intercepted by the admin, RainAndSadness. I didn’t really say anything offensive, and if I came across thay way and I've upset someone, I'd explain myself and make more calculative attempts at getting to the bottom of it all.

Unfortunately, what I've tried telling the admin made no difference, as he refused to listen; it was like talking to a brick wall. While it was true I was harsh in my second engagement, I previously tried being respectful the first time we've engaged (more on that later), so I thought it to be more effective to just bark back, and also... he was being incredibly stupid with her accusation, especially when he kept twisting my words. So, yes... I concur that the admin is a literal tyrant, but not only that, but a total narcissist the more I think about it (and I had a friend confirm it when I showed the DMs). He not only kept twisting my words, but he also gaslighted, triangulated, and projected his negative feelings onto me (everything he's called me is literally how he sees himself), and that itself begs the question: what if it was him who's responsible for SaSu members getting scammed from that fake PPeH email address back in 2021?

While it is a bold suggestion, but based on experience and observations alone, or just hearing about it, anyone who's quick to blame someone for a crime without proof are likely the ones who are guilty of said crime. It takes a lot for me to come to that conclusion; I typically see the best in people, and I genuinely thought he was a decent person who's just being an idiot. But based on my recent interaction with him, I'm not too sure anymore.

He claims that I scam people, but personally, I have no reason to, and even so, I would never cross that line and screw people over for personal gain. If that were the case, I'd be selling my methods, but no. Everything I do is out of good faith (as misguided as I was back then). But I believe he does. What if it wasn't insurance that covered the facial feminization surgery, but instead, it was the money that's been taken from other members. To transition is a very expensive process, and coincidentally, he made a post 14 days prior to the thread about the fake PPeH address? And when people simply suggested that they got it from her file, she was very defensive and started getting accusatory. There's a chance I could be wrong, but it's a hunch, and I tend to be right.

Back to the subject: I believe the forum has degraded over the years, and it's only going to get worse with the wokeness. But I understand why most of them are like this, and are constantly killing themselves.

It's to do with nihilism, and their slave morality. To sum it up, they need someone to help them realize their worth and teach them to become stronger and resilient in life's many challenges. Sure, we could try to improve society, but let's be honest here: no one cares enough to make changes. This is a dog-eat-dog world, where only the strong survive. To be free from this misery, they have to save themselves, and not stake their entire identity on victimhood. They need to put in the work and start self-actualizing.

As for whether the site should continue to exist, that's a question I'm which I'm unsure of the answer, but if people wish for the forum to remain online, it must reform into something better, and not have it be toxic to such a degree.

I remember you. You were dickriding for Andrew Tate and totally sperged out when called on it. Isn't that why you got banned?

 

[Sprate Header]

I remember you. You were dickriding for Andrew Tate and totally sperged out when called on it. Isn't that why you got banned?

Google his username and you'll get a bunch of hits on incels.is, so I wouldn't be surprised.

 

[Prince Vegeta]

As someone who is new to this. I'm trying to get a handle on the conflict.

The timeline of events on the site are still muddled to me, but at one point there was a shift in moderation and there were 'events' such as the actual death and media coverage of the 17 year old Italian. People familiar with the forums, was there also a shift in what is being discussed and how much encouragement take place in and during these events?

I think I've got a better handle on the players The involved parties here seem to be:

1) Retard mods on a power trip (and the psychopathic simps they protect).
2) Vengeful rampaging bereaved (and the karens that attach to their bellies)
3) The ones that got out for reasons (and the butthurt banned that follow them)
4) Despairing people looking for a community trapped in the middle (who everyone assumes is a homogenous mass).

I'll try to piece together a timeline of events from the posts here (OP also has good sources) this weekend maybe. It might help kiwis (read: me) understand what's going on, in a 'you are here' type of thing.

 

[DetachedDreamer97]

I remember you. You were dickriding for Andrew Tate and totally sperged out when called on it. Isn't that why you got banned?

I think I was being quite reasonable, though I'll admit... I had a moment of weakness, especially after dealing with Rain with his smug comments, though I might say every comment from most users is unproductive with a bunch of gotchas. And part of it was intentional as I was trying to get banned as I knew she was gonna be probmematic since the first argument.

I'm fine if people don't like Tate, and I wasn't trying to insult them, as evidenced in some of my civil comments, but most users seemed to have low IQs taking it personally and just want him guilty at all costs. I'm willing to accept that he's guilty with evidence, but so far there are none, and at this point the case is just becoming weirder by the day.

But no... I've saved PDFs and screenshots for context. This is what happened that went downhill and lead to my ban.

The PDFs were the convo. And the pics were basically what it was about. He took it as an attack and sent the warning, which I was like... "Dude, are you retarded?!"
And no matter what I've said, it was literally like I was talking to a brick wall. Though I should’ve known better; no one's this obtuse unless they're pretending to be and are just trying to frustrate you. But my naive ass didn't consider the possibility.

Maybe I was out of line with taking on the disphoria, but I was confident I was figuring out how to solve every universal mental issue, including dysphoria. There are more I didn’t think to screenshot in another thread I've interacted with DeathDueToDysphoria/CantDoItAnymore, which I tried reasoning with him about self acceptance (it was unsuccessful; it was do or die for him. He couldn't settle for anything except being a woman), which you'll get a solid idea of my goal.

 

[iffywas]

I think I've got a better handle on the players The involved parties here seem to be:

1) Retard mods on a power trip (and the psychopathic simps they protect).
2) Vengeful rampaging bereaved (and the karens that attach to their bellies)
3) The ones that got out for reasons (and the butthurt banned that follow them)
4) Despairing people looking for a community trapped in the middle (who everyone assumes is a homogenous mass).

Pretty much this, and yes you are right the site has gone downhill since it changed hands, mostly because of your reason 1.

The bereaved families add extra pressure and cause members to worry they'll no longer have a place to discuss their feelings.

People do leave for good reasons, sometimes it's because they want to try recovery, or their situation gets better so they give it their best shot. Some do end up back after a while, when life gets difficult again, some don't.

The vast majority on there do not ctb. Plenty do, but MOST don't.

Most of the posters are sweet and decent people who life has done a number on through such things as:
- Childhood abuse and trauma, which leads to adult disorientation and more abuse and trauma.
- Physical and mental illnesses/disabilities.
- Neurodiversity and lack of acceptance due to such in the real world.
- Economic and social conditions.
- Feeling of not being loved and accepted.
et cetera

There are more issues I'm sure but that's just the common ones I've seen. I've seen very few impulsive decisions and usually they are asked to take a moment to think.

As mentioned before, SN is not an impulsive method. It requires obtaining, planning, a fairly strict regime to follow, and time to be left alone. It is also unpredictable. Some survivors have reported pain and discomfort, others have not.

 

[DetachedDreamer97]

Google his username and you'll get a bunch of hits on incels.is, so I wouldn't be surprised.

Funny enough, I'm barely active on there... though I remain on the forum to be the one to guide them out of the inceldom (considering I no longer consider myself one and have regained the confidence needed to ascend, and have found myself). Once I finish my story, I'm gonna inspire them to become more than their former selves. And for the record, yes... I have sexist tendencies, and I'm trying to work on that, though I have balanced views on the opposite sex, though these days, there are unfortunately individuals who give people a bad name.

Hopefully, I'm not casting pearls to swine like in the Andrew Tate thread. I’m trying to phrase it as best as I can.

Pretty much this, and yes you are right the site has gone downhill since it changed hands, mostly because of your reason 1.

The bereaved families add extra pressure and cause members to worry they'll no longer have a place to discuss their feelings.

People do leave for good reasons, sometimes it's because they want to try recovery, or their situation gets better so they give it their best shot. Some do end up back after a while, when life gets difficult again, some don't.

The vast majority on there do not ctb. Plenty do, but MOST don't.

Most of the posters are sweet and decent people who life has done a number on through such things as:
- Childhood abuse and trauma, which leads to adult disorientation and more abuse and trauma.
- Physical and mental illnesses/disabilities.
- Neurodiversity and lack of acceptance due to such in the real world.
- Economic and social conditions.
- Feeling of not being loved and accepted.
et cetera

There are more issues I'm sure but that's just the common ones I've seen. I've seen very few impulsive decisions and usually they are asked to take a moment to think.

As mentioned before, SN is not an impulsive method. It requires obtaining, planning, a fairly strict regime to follow, and time to be left alone. It is also unpredictable. Some survivors have reported pain and discomfort, others have not.

Honestly, I think my yew method is the pinnacle of all methods. Once you master it you won't even need to kill yourself, considering the amount of time and effort that is needed to create a tincture; you'll feel like you've achieved something.

Also, I strongly believe it rivals N if done right.

I no longer think highly of the man-made poisons, like N, SN, among others touted in the PPEH. There's a whole lot missing in these methods that are needed for growth.

The yews are probably the reason why I live, and I believe that there is a good reason why I've found it, and why it fits so well like a glove. And I won't stop until I complete it. And from there, I'm going to live the life of greatness.
️
Hear me ROARRRRRRRR!!! (Sorry... lol)

 

[iffywas]

Honestly, I think my yew method is the pinnacle of all methods. Once you master it you won't even need to kill yourself, considering the amount of time and effort that is needed to create a tincture; you'll feel like you've achieved something.

Also, I strongly believe it rivals N if done right.

I no longer think highly of the man-made poisons, like N, SN, among others touted in the PPEH. There's a whole lot missing in these methods that are needed for growth.

The yews are probably the reason why I live, and I believe that there is a good reason why I've found it, and why it fits so well like a glove. And I won't stop until I complete it. And from there, I'm going to live the life of greatness.
️
Hear me ROARRRRRRRR!!! (Sorry... lol)

I remember a thread recently where somebody tried the yew method but failed. Not saying it was you who posted it but the person who did seemed fairly confident in the method and was knowledgeable about where they went wrong and how to refine it.

The PPeH has been around for many years. It changes the SN method constantly with every new update. With SN now highly restricted (although it's still available if you know where to look), the slippery slope is in full swing. The sites detractors have put pressure on, yet never seem to go after other sites or the PPeH authors. I'm sure the authors face opposition, but I'm not getting my head around why SS specifically is chosen, other than people's loved one accessed the site. If a meat preservative can be pressured underground, how long until buying rope is restricted? It's absurd.

I'm still waiting for evidence to be provided as to what @Sjm411 alluded to, as in threats and mocking from site staff over their loved one's death. As nasty as the current admin can be, I actually find it hard to imagine that they would mock grieving parents, so I'd like to see those screenshots posted here for all to see, if possible.

 

[Dyn]

Hello! I'm new here, and I'm glad I've found a place to discuss this.

I was a long time member of the community, or the eldest member before I ended up getting banned. Over the past several years of my suicide quest, I gradually went through a change in which I started becoming "pro-life", I guess, and here I am.

When I realized my worth and gained the will to live, I decided to try sharing my insights to the rest of the community that was decaying with victimhood in hopes I'd free some lost souls. Unfortunately, when I tried providing universal solutions to every problem (including tramsgenderism and other identity politics), I got intercepted by the admin, RainAndSadness. I didn’t really say anything offensive, and if I came across thay way and I've upset someone, I'd explain myself and make more calculative attempts at getting to the bottom of it all.

Unfortunately, what I've tried telling the admin made no difference, as he refused to listen; it was like talking to a brick wall. While it was true I was harsh in my second engagement, I previously tried being respectful the first time we've engaged (more on that later), so I thought it to be more effective to just bark back, and also... he was being incredibly stupid with her accusation, especially when he kept twisting my words. So, yes... I concur that the admin is a literal tyrant, but not only that, but a total narcissist the more I think about it (and I had a friend confirm it when I showed the DMs). He not only kept twisting my words, but he also gaslighted, triangulated, and projected his negative feelings onto me (everything he's called me is literally how he sees himself), and that itself begs the question: what if it was him who's responsible for SaSu members getting scammed from that fake PPeH email address back in 2021?

While it is a bold suggestion, but based on experience and observations alone, or just hearing about it, anyone who's quick to blame someone for a crime without proof are likely the ones who are guilty of said crime. It takes a lot for me to come to that conclusion; I typically see the best in people, and I genuinely thought he was a decent person who's just being an idiot. But based on my recent interaction with him, I'm not too sure anymore.

He claims that I scam people, but personally, I have no reason to, and even so, I would never cross that line and screw people over for personal gain. If that were the case, I'd be selling my methods, but no. Everything I do is out of good faith (as misguided as I was back then). But I believe he does. What if it wasn't insurance that covered the facial feminization surgery, but instead, it was the money that's been taken from other members. To transition is a very expensive process, and coincidentally, he made a post 14 days prior to the thread about the fake PPeH address? And when people simply suggested that they got it from her file, she was very defensive and started getting accusatory. There's a chance I could be wrong, but it's a hunch, and I tend to be right.

Back to the subject: I believe the forum has degraded over the years, and it's only going to get worse with the wokeness. But I understand why most of them are like this, and are constantly killing themselves.

It's to do with nihilism, and their slave morality. To sum it up, they need someone to help them realize their worth and teach them to become stronger and resilient in life's many challenges. Sure, we could try to improve society, but let's be honest here: no one cares enough to make changes. This is a dog-eat-dog world, where only the strong survive. To be free from this misery, they have to save themselves, and not stake their entire identity on victimhood. They need to put in the work and start self-actualizing.

As for whether the site should continue to exist, that's a question I'm which I'm unsure of the answer, but if people wish for the forum to remain online, it must reform into something better, and not have it be toxic to such a degree.

kys

 

[iffywas]

Funny enough, I'm barely active on there... though I remain on the forum to be the one to guide them out of the inceldom (considering I no longer consider myself one and have regained the confidence needed to ascend, and have found myself). Once I finish my story, I'm gonna inspire them to become more than their former selves. And for the record, yes... I have sexist tendencies, and I'm trying to work on that, though I have balanced views on the opposite sex, though these days, there are unfortunately individuals who give people a bad name.

Hopefully, I'm not casting pearls to swine like in the Andrew Tate thread. I’m trying to phrase it as best as I can.

Dude, it's not your place to be questioning their motives, unless their motives involve you directly. Not being funny, but you're not a therapist, and many people on there are stuck in their own misery and nothing can talk them out of it until they have their own epiphanies. You are not there to guide them unless they specifically ask for help in being guided out of inceldom or whatever it is you're wanting to do. It's honestly not your business, even if you do have good intentions. Was that you sperging in the Tate thread? If so you did yourself no favours there, sorry.

 

[Dyn]

You really think that one shithole site going down equates to the "Entire Fucking Internet"? Are you mentally handicapped? Get your head out of your ass. That site isn't a significant cornerstone of internet freedom and expression like here. You can't compare that place to KF or the whole internet.

Bro we're just a website for making fun of retarded people. We're only a 'cornerstone of internet freedom and expression' because people are going to ridiculous lengths to stop us from making fun of retarded people. It makes no difference if a site is making fun of retarded people or posting suicide how-to's or listing DIY trans hormone resources or discussing the hardships of being a minor-attracted pedophile or praising Adolf Hitler or leaking government secrets or teaching people how to cook crystal meth and pipe bombs, the point is that they don't get to tell us we're not allowed to say what we want to say without a law on the books making it explicitly clear that what we're saying is illegal.

 

[muffin123]

Dude, it's not your place to be questioning their motives, unless their motives involve you directly. Not being funny, but you're not a therapist, and many people on there are stuck in their own misery and nothing can talk them out of it until they have their own epiphanies. You are not there to guide them unless they specifically ask for help in being guided out of inceldom or whatever it is you're wanting to do. It's honestly not your business, even if you do have good intentions. Was that you sperging in the Tate thread? If so you did yourself no favours there, sorry.

It’s not really possible to help people who don’t want to be helped.

 

[DetachedDreamer97]

Dude, it's not your place to be questioning their motives, unless their motives involve you directly. Not being funny, but you're not a therapist, and many people on there are stuck in their own misery and nothing can talk them out of it until they have their own epiphanies. You are not there to guide them unless they specifically ask for help in being guided out of inceldom or whatever it is you're wanting to do. It's honestly not your business, even if you do have good intentions. Was that you sperging in the Tate thread? If so you did yourself no favours there, sorry.

If you call it "sperging", yes. I'm an Andrew Tate dick-rider. But yeah, I'll admit, I was getting a little too carried away.

My intentions were partially selfish, as I wanted to restore the forum to its original glory, where people wouldn't get offended. But yeah, I was hoping to guide them into realizing it themselves, though at the time, I didn't quite understand them fully and was pulling an Ares from GOW 1.

It’s not really possible to help people who don’t want to be helped.

I should’ve thought of that...

 

[iffywas]

But no... I've saved PDFs and screenshots for context. This is what happened that went downhill and lead to my ban.

Funny enough, I'm barely active on there... though I remain on the forum to be the one to guide them out of the inceldom

Are you banned from there or not? Two conflicting sentences there.

 

[muffin123]

Are you banned from there or not? Two conflicting sentences there.

The account on SS under the name "detacheddreamer97" is banned as it’s grayed out and has a line over it, but I suppose he could’ve made a new one under another name that he’s currently using.

 

[iffywas]

@DetachedDreamer97
It's stupid as fuck to use the same user names on KF and anywhere else, especially SS and incel sites. Keep posting though, I for one am intrigued.

 

[Humbert Humbert]

Another day, another arc in the suicide forum thread. I love it.

 

[Bioniclelover]

I knew my son was suicidal, after he left an abusive relationship. He was trying to find support from other males who had been subjected to domestic abuse and had then become suicidal. He did not get this, instead he was told life wouldn’t get any better and was directed to the SN method.

Were you aware about your son being depressed and suicidal before he commited suicide?

 

[DetachedDreamer97]

Are you banned from there or not? Two conflicting sentences there.

Banned from SaSu, I remain on Incels.is .

The account on SS under the name "detacheddreamer97" is banned as it’s grayed out and has a line over it, but I suppose he could’ve made a new one under another name that he’s currently using.

I intend to return one day under an alt, but only after I succeed in life myself. Despite the arguments against me doing so, I feel like I have to try. Though with better execution. I've prevented or delayed some suicides by instilling hope.

And the main reason I do this is due to the fact that with most users on there, it's all due to the lack of identity, so they stake their entire identity on their sexuality, race, gender, etcetera.

I believe that if one can use every trait and find themselves, all the problems will be solved, whether through the need for censorship, and suicidality. And I say that confidently.

 

[Milk_]

And the main reason I do this is due to the fact that with most users on there, it's all due to the lack of identity, so they stake their entire identity on their sexuality, race, gender, etcetera.

I believe that if one can use every trait and find themselves, all the problems will be solved, whether through the need for censorship, and suicidality. And I say that confidently.

These posts are so cringe to read. Nobody cares about your savior complex.