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President Joe Biden on Tuesday said that the United States will impose sanctions “far beyond” the ones that the United States imposed in 2014 following the annexation of the Crimean peninsula.

“This is the beginning of a Russian invasion of Ukraine,” Biden said in a White House speech, signaling a shift in his administration’s position. “We will continue to escalate sanctions if Russia escalates,” he added.

Russian elites and their family members will also soon face sanctions, Biden said, adding that “Russia will pay an even steeper price” if Moscow decides to push forward into Ukraine. Two Russian banks and Russian sovereign debt will also be sanctioned, he said.

Also in his speech, Biden said he would send more U.S. troops to the Baltic states as a defensive measure to strengthen NATO’s position in the area.

Russia shares a border with Estonia, Latvia, and Lithuania.

A day earlier, Russian President Vladimir Putin ordered troops to go into the separatist Donetsk and Lugansk regions in eastern Ukraine after a lengthy speech in which he recognized the two regions’ independence.

Western powers decried the move and began to slap sanctions on certain Russian individuals, while Germany announced it would halt plans to go ahead with the Russia-to-Germany Nord Stream 2 pipeline.

At home, Biden is facing bipartisan pressure to take more extensive actions against Russia following Putin’s decision. However, a recent poll showed that a majority of Americans believe that sending troops to Ukraine is a “bad idea,” and a slim minority believes it’s a good one.

All 27 European Union countries unanimously agreed on an initial list of sanctions targeting Russian authorities, said French Foreign Minister Jean-Yves Le Drian, and EU foreign affairs head Josep Borell claimed the package “will hurt Russia … a lot.”

Earlier Tuesday, Borell asserted that Russian troops have already entered the Donbas region, which comprises Donetsk and Lugansk, which are under the control of pro-Russia groups since 2014.

And on Tuesday, the Russian Parliament approved a Putin-back plan to use military force outside of Russia’s borders as Putin further said that Russia confirmed it would recognize the expanded borders of Lugansk and Donetsk.

“We recognized the states,” the Russian president said. “That means we recognized all of their fundamental documents, including the constitution, where it is written that their [borders] are the territories at the time the two regions were part of Ukraine.”

Speaking to reporters on Tuesday, Putin said that Ukraine is “not interested in peaceful solutions” and that “every day, they are amassing troops in the Donbas.”

Meanwhile, Ukraine President Volodymyr Zelensky on Tuesday morning again downplayed the prospect of a Russian invasion and proclaimed: “There will be no war.”

“There will not be an all-out war against Ukraine, and there will not be a broad escalation from Russia. If there is, then we will put Ukraine on a war footing,” he said in a televised address.

The White House began to signal that they would shift their own position on whether it’s the start of an invasion.

“We think this is, yes, the beginning of an invasion, Russia’s latest invasion into Ukraine,” said Jon Finer, the White House deputy national security adviser in public remarks. “An invasion is an invasion and that is what is underway.”

For weeks, Western governments have been claiming Moscow would invade its neighbor after Russia gathered some 150,000 troops along the countries’ borders. They alleged that the Kremlin would attempt to come up with a pretext to attack, while some officials on Monday said Putin’s speech recognizing the two regions was just that.

But Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin told reporters Tuesday that Russia’s “latest invasion” of Ukraine is threatening stability in the region, but he asserted that Putin can “still avoid a full blown, tragic war of choice.”

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Mongols ran Russia for several hundred years before the Rus got thoughts of empire. Shouldn't Moscow agree to cede all authority back to Ulaanbaatar by that logic?

How do you make such truly bizarre leaps of logic here?

Mongols are free to have Moscow back if they are able to take it. Ukraine is free to remain independent if it is able to defend itself from outside aggression. I am only speaking as an American. I want total non-involvement with this nonsense in Ukraine. The amount of boomers sucking down the narrative that the everwar must continue is truly astounding. All you are supporting is additional fat paychecks to Lockheed Martin. Clinging onto the Post-War Pax Americana Status Quo at seemingly any cost. We spend 20 straight years in Iraq and Afghanistan and barely a year later we're right back in the thick of it with yet another stupid conflict.

I'm not about that.
 
How do you make such truly bizarre leaps of logic here?

Mongols are free to have Moscow back if they are able to take it. Ukraine is free to remain independent if it is able to defend itself from outside aggression. I am only speaking as an American. I want total non-involvement with this nonsense in Ukraine. The amount of boomers sucking down the narrative that the everwar must continue is truly astounding. All you are supporting is additional fat paychecks to Lockheed Martin. Clinging onto the Post-War Pax Americana Status Quo at seemingly any cost. We spend 20 straight years in Iraq and Afghanistan and barely a year later we're right back in the thick of it with yet another stupid conflict.

I'm not about that.
And you are supporting fat paychecks for Russian oligarchs, so what of it?

I guess I just don't like bullies picking on people smaller than them, subjugating a population because "We used to subjugate you half a century ago".
 
You're utterly delusional.

Ukraine was part of the Russian Empire and then the Soviet Union for how many centuries? We would simply go back to bilateral agreements rather than these big entities. Ukraine becoming part of Russia once again wouldn't change that.
Not a good argument, Greece, Bulgaria, Serbia and Romania were under Ottoman control/occupation etc. for like 300+ years. Transylvania, largely populated by Romanians, was under various incarnations of Hungary and Ottomans for even longer.
Yet the moment the opportunity to break free arose, they did so at great cost. Their identities did not succumb in half a millennia, sure they got modified, but they survived and eventually removed the occupier.
You think Ukrainians are different how? Reminder that not even Serbs and Croats can get together and these spergs are fucking 99% identical (no I don't care if some of you will seethe about it lol).
 
Ukraine is free to remain independent if it is able to defend itself from outside aggression.
They ARE defending themselves. We are just helping them do it. They are the ones doing the fighting.

I am only speaking as an American. I want total non-involvement with this nonsense in Ukraine.
If you are an American, then you must be aware of American history, like how the United States only won independence due to the direct intervention of the French and Spanish Empires.

Clinging onto the Post-War Pax Americana Status Quo at seemingly any cost.
Would you rather go back to the pre-Pax Americana world of constant war and regional conflict? If you want a peaceful world where the U.S. isn't constantly dragged into conflict, that would seem counterintuitive.

All you are supporting is additional fat paychecks to Lockheed Martin.
At least Lockheed Martin builds all of their shit IN AMERICA. Would you rather give your money to Apple, who manufactures all their products in China?

We spend 20 straight years in Iraq and Afghanistan and barely a year later we're right back in the thick of it with yet another stupid conflict.
There are no Americans fighting in Ukraine. We are just giving the Ukrainians weapons. And it wasn't America that started this war, it was Russia.
 
Ukraine was part of the Russian Empire and then the Soviet Union for how many centuries?
And the USA was directly settled by English colonists. Your point? I can go dig up info on how that part of the world was Russified (Muscovy-fied to be more accurate given that Kiev was the golden city of the Kievan Rus and all that) against their will and have resented and hated Moscow for it ever since.

This isn't the first time Moscow's done this to Ukraine, by the way. When the Russian Civil War broke out there was an independent Ukrainian state for a few years until Lenin reconquered them as his first target.
 
Based on what exactly? I live in Texas, nowhere near the East European plain.

Your wild speculation is just that. If all of Ukraine became Russia again it would not affect my life in the slightest. Rather, it shouldn't.
Do you like nuclear non-proliferation? Because if you do then you should care. Or maybe you want fuckin' Botswana developing nukes because they are scared South Africa will invade and nukes are now the only viable guarantee of safety.. Then the world ends because General Ngububetetwe got some bad news from the local witch doctor.
 
Okay fine. But why is the USA responsible for their freedom to do stupid slav shit? Why can't I file it under not my fucking problem, I don't live in shitty-ass Ukraine and don't want anything to do with their retarded power struggle.

Somehow the American taxpayer is still on the hook for it though huh?
You don't want to affirm Putin's belief that might indeed makes right, while he thinks it's his turn at the ColonialismBox. Isolationism doesn't work, because your inaction presents an opportunity for ambitious retards with a Napoleon complex, sooner or later it's going to affect you. Ukraine specifically is a large food exporter, this war affects a lot of nations, and Putin knowingly used risk of starvation to pressure international community to get his way.

That aside, without world police you're going to have world detroit. It's a global world, whether you want it or not, power vacuum is going to be filled by someone. And for all its faults, I'd rather it be the West, assuming they sort their shit out and stop the decline into authoritarianism, because that's at least a possibility, while China and Russia are already in that hole.
 
ISW continues to predict Russia's next major push will be in Luhansk or Donetsk:
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I have always wondered a good chunk of the farms has such hate for the Ukraine? Is it being contrarian or just hate the west for being globalhomo?
Don't you know?
Once the Russian tanks roll into Odessa, all transgenders across the world will instantly drop dead.

Clinging onto the Post-War Pax Americana Status Quo at seemingly any cost. We spend 20 straight years in Iraq and Afghanistan and barely a year later we're right back in the thick of it with yet another stupid conflict.
How in the fuck is shipping weapons the same as sending large amounts troops to try and occupy a foreign nation?
In what parallel world is supplying weapons "in the thick of it"?
Are you trolling or are you actually that retarded?

Lavrov seething against Moldova and its gentle femael el presidente

Lavrov: The Republic of Moldova is seen as the next Ukraine

The Republic of Moldova is the next country in which there is a risk of repeating the scenario in Ukraine, according to the Minister of Foreign Affairs, Serghei Lavrov.
More precisely, the head of diplomacy from Moscow believes that the West sees Moldova as "the next Ukraine".
You would think Russia would want to actually finish the war in Ukraine (or at least finalize the conventional phase and just move into the guerilla war/COIN phase of actually holding their gains) before threatening invasions of other nearby countries, but no...
 
You would think Russia would want to actually finish the war in Ukraine (or at least finalize the conventional phase and just move into the guerilla war/COIN phase of actually holding their gains) before threatening invasions of other nearby countries, but no...
Especially a landlocked one that they don't share a border with. They would have to send troops across Ukraine to even do it, the current garrison there is completely insufficient to pull it off.
 
I know this isn't directly concerned with the Russian failkrieg in Ukraine. But it's kind of adjacent to it.

Lazer Pig debated Gonzalo Lira/CoachRedPill and made him rage quit. LOL

For the uninitiated Gonzalo Lira is a well known vatnigger in the vatnigger ghettos of the internet.

It has already been disucsed in this thread and in Coachshitpill threads.
But, it can be a good reminder for those who has missed it.
 

Europe is set to ban Russian oil products, the latest strike on the Kremlin war chest​

Global oil markets are bracing for more upheaval in the next couple of weeks after the European Union bans all Russian refined oil products in retaliation for the war in Ukraine. Starting Sunday, the 27-nation bloc will prohibit imports of Russian gasoline, diesel and other products used throughout Europe.

At the same time, the Group of Seven advanced countries and allies will institute a global price cap on Russian refined oil products. That will bar access to ships, marine insurers and services unless the refined oil products are purchased for a price at or below an agreed limit. A similar system went into effect for Russian crude oil in December.

A price cap for refined products has yet to be set. Analysts say there will likely be one price set for diesel, another for products such as gasoline.

Sales of oil and natural gas make up the lion's share of Russia's government budget. The United States, the EU and other allies are targeting Russian energy in a bid to tighten the economic noose around the Kremlin, making it harder to finance its war in Ukraine. But the measures could also lead to price spikes.


It affects fuel for planes, cars, trucks and machinery​

For the last couple of months, the EU has banned Russian crude oil imports but allowed the sale of refined products. The bloc will now join the United States and the United Kingdom in implementing a broader embargo.

The new EU ban will apply to anything produced from Russian crude oil, says Richard Bronze, head of geopolitics at Energy Aspects, a consultancy in London.

"Gasoline that goes into a car, the jet fuel that goes into a plane or diesel that goes into trucks, into operating machinery," he says, "so it's really the fuel that we actually consume and keeps the economy going."

Last year, Europe imported about 700,000 barrels per day of Russian diesel — around half its total imports of the fuel, according to market analysts.

Europe has to look elsewhere, including to U.S. suppliers​

Matteo Ilardo, a London-based geopolitical analyst with the risk intelligence firm RANE, says the ban will have an impact for Europeans. He points to France's heavy reliance on Russian diesel.
"France usually imports around 20% of total seaborne diesel exports from Russia. So being able to phase out completely that much of diesel will be a challenge," he says.

Europe has been gobbling up Russian diesel over the past few months ahead of the ban. Hedi Grati, the head of refining and marketing at S&P Global Commodity Insights, an energy research and data company in London, says Europe does have some refineries but not enough to meet the demand.

"The diesel will simply have to come from somewhere else," he says. "The most logical suppliers are countries in the Middle East like Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, places like that, and then also India and the United States."

And Russia seeks other buyers​

Just as it did with the December ban on crude, Russia will have to find new places to sell its refined oil products.

"Those could be in East Africa, in Asia, they could be in Latin America," Grati says. "What you're looking at is one great big reshuffle to get desirable barrels to Europe, and then barrels deemed undesirable from Russia to those other markets."

In a twist, the ban on Russian oil products could boost its sales of crude to China and India. Both are large refiners. It's legal for them to import Russian crude, refine it and send it back to Europe, according to Bronze with the Energy Aspects consultancy.
"It is being viewed by some critics as a loophole or a weakness. But I think that is a deliberate part of the policy design," Bronze says. The U.S. and its allies want to ensure that the products continue flowing to global markets to avoid price spikes.

It also reflects differences between the way international customs rules apply to crude oil versus refined products, he explains.

"Once it's been through a refinery, for customs rules, the oil is viewed as transformed and ... then its country of origin becomes wherever that refinery was located," Bronze says.

Market reaction is predicted, but will it sway Moscow?​

Oil is a global market, so the impact of the latest ban will likely be felt beyond Europe. Ilardo says there will undoubtedly be turmoil in the global oil markets initially.

"We'll ... have a price spike definitely in February right after the ban comes in place," he says. "This will be simply a market reaction. Markets don't like uncertainty, so they usually react with price spikes."

That's not good news for consumers or businesses in Europe, which is already struggling with a weakened economy.

The big question is whether this ban like the other will have any impact on Russian President Vladimir Putin in ending the war in Ukraine.

Bronze says undoubtedly the EU bans on crude and refined oil products will hurt Russia's economy.

"But I think the difficult question is whether that economic pain is enough to change President Putin's attitude towards the conflict in Ukraine or his wider policies towards the West," he says. "And I think that's much less likely to happen."


Slow Ratcheting Up of Ukraine Aid Lays Out Welcome Mat to China in Taiwan | Opinion​

As Russian President Vladimir Putin continues to kill civilians in order to break the will of the Ukrainian people, the allied decision to provide hundreds of main battle tanks to Ukraine could fundamentally change the course of the conflict, giving Ukraine the boost it needs to push the Russians out of eastern Ukraine and perhaps even to retake Crimea.

While this critically important decision has rightly been lauded, we ought not be fooled into thinking that our efforts in Ukraine have been a triumph. To the contrary, when our adversaries look at our approach to Ukraine, they don't see bold moves, they see hesitance, delay, and weakness at every turn. The sad reality is that while there is no doubt that the weaponry we've supplied has been critical to Ukraine's battlefield success, had the White House and our friends in Europe provided these weapons much earlier, we might well have deterred the Russian invasion or, at a minimum, enabled Ukrainian forces to actually win this war.

To be sure, the Biden administration gets credit for keeping the allied coalition strong on sanctions and leading the way on pouring billions of dollars of military equipment into the fight. Yet the reality is that much of this aid came only after it became clear that Ukrainian forces were dramatically more capable and motivated than expected, and that the Russian forces were drastically underprepared and ill-supplied for the fight. Indeed, the key story of this war has not been bold allied support, but the slow drip of more (and better) weapons into the fight, even as Russia killed more than 7,000 civilians, including more than 400 children, and decimated Ukraine's infrastructure.

The Biden White House's hesitance to act before Feb. 24 had a clear source: the fear that overly aggressive support might cause the Russians to lash out, provoking the invasion itself. Of course, we knew this wasn't true long before the war began. The intelligence community repeatedly told the White House about Russian intentions; they planned to invade, provocation or not. And despite the Biden administration's public campaigning and admittedly novel strategy of announcing Russia's attempted fakery to the world, this did little to dissuade Putin.

Other than public pleas for peace, the unconvincing threat of sanctions, and failed diplomacy, the White House had no real deterrent strategy, and certainly not one that leveraged America's hard power. Publicly providing Ukraine with key weapons ahead of time would have made American resolve clear to Putin in the only language that he understands: raw strength. This didn't happen and, to no surprise, Putin attacked anyway.

And yet even then we dithered. The allies couldn't agree on what weapons to supply and when. It took months for the United States to begin supplying the critically important HIMARS missile systems and nearly a year to get to main battle tanks. Indeed, the White House only got there after it was shamed into it by new UK Prime Minister Rishi Sunak's announcement to provide British tanks. Even now, there remain debates within the White House about whether we ought provide even more capable missile systems and we continue to resist providing fighter jets that could take the fight to the Russians.

Allowing Putin to dictate the terms of the conflict since the onset (and more broadly since 2014), the White House has leaned back instead of forward, and our adversaries unquestionably see this less-than-convincing stance. For every article that lays out the hand-wringing in the White House over escalation, and each time the administration trots out its weak-kneed "integrated deterrence" approach (ably taken apart by Republican Rep. Mike Gallagher of Wisconsin), we face allies who see us as itinerant and adversaries who are increasingly unafraid of us. And so, while many pundits on cable news have applauded Biden's actions, the reality is that we are in a proxy war in Ukraine specifically because his integrated deterrence failed miserably.

The consequences of this indecisiveness are not limited to Eastern Europe. Undoubtedly, the Chinese are watching as they consider their next steps against Taiwan. Already, one prominent American military leader has assessed that the Chinese could take action as soon as 2025, and while this may be forward leaning, it certainly isn't far off. What the Chinese have taken from the Ukraine conflict that the United States and our allies aren't steadfast in our support of those who have turned to us, and that we prefer slow escalation—and only when our team is winning—to bold moves. As a result, they have learned that the right approach is to strike fast and crush the opposition because the West won't move quickly, particularly where, as in the Taiwan Straits, we don't have enough forward forces to put up an immediate fight.

None of this, of course, is new news. Even prior to the Ukraine conflict, much ink had been spilled about the need for an effective deterrence plan for Taiwan. Whereas the Biden Administration's policy can be described as waffling at best, Xi Jinping has clearly signaled the China's intentions for reunification by force if necessary. The hesitate-first foreign policy of the Biden team makes clear the United States would vacillate before deciding whether to arm Taiwan to the teeth to do battle and certainly before committing American forces to the fight. This invites the Chinese to employ a blitzkrieg strategy, overwhelming Taiwan via air, land, and sea long before the United States could mobilize any effective response.

Given the unique supply chain challenges presented by operating in the Taiwan Strait, it is imperative that any attack against Taiwan be deterred with a strong and immediate response from the United States, in conjunction with our key regional allies in Japan, South Korea, and Australia, in order to blunt a Chinese attack and prevent a swift victory. That requires forward-deployed forces of a level that the United States has been thus far unwilling to commit. In certain ways, the pre-Taiwan scenario is much like the pre-Ukraine scenario: if the United States fails to provide the right kind of weaponry and pre-position forces ahead of an invasion, the odds of deterring said invasion are zero. So, rather than exchanging congratulatory high-fives for doing what we should have done a year ago in Ukraine, we ought learn the right lesson and get ahead of China in the Taiwan theatre now.

Jamil N. Jaffer is the former chief counsel and senior adviser to the Senate Foreign Relations Committee and served in senior national security roles on Capitol Hill and in the Bush Administration. He is the Founder and Executive Director at the National Security Institute at George Mason University's Scalia Law School.

John Poulson is manager of public policy and government relations at George Mason University's National Security Institute. He previously served as special assistant to the under secretary for international affairs at the Treasury Department and as an aide to Rep. Mike Gallagher (R-WI).

The views expressed in this article are the writers' own.


Finland joins group of countries working to hold Russia liable for crime of aggression​

Finland has joined the core group working on the creation of a Special Tribunal for the crime of Russian aggression against Ukraine.

Source: Ministry for Foreign Affairs of Finland, cited by European Pravda

Quote: "On 2 February, 2023, Finland joined a group created to support Ukraine in ensuring Russia's liability for its crime of aggression," the ministry said, recalling that core group now includes 19 countries and the EU's foreign policy service, in addition to Ukraine and Finland.

"Supporting and strengthening the law-based world order is one of the priorities of Finland's foreign policy. Russia's invasion of Ukraine is a blatant violation of the UN Charter... War crimes, crimes against humanity, genocide and the crime of aggression are the most serious international crimes that affect the entire international community and pose a threat to global peace and security," the Foreign Ministry emphasised.

Details: The ministry noted that war crimes and crimes against humanity committed in Ukraine are being investigated on a large scale domestically in the country and around the world, and Finland supports both the International Criminal Court's investigations and Ukrainian experts.

Quote: "[However,] Russia's liability for the illegal invasion of Ukraine and its consequences will be incomplete if the crime of aggression is left out of the picture. Finland is willing to help Ukraine find the most effective ways to bring the perpetrators to justice," said Finnish Foreign Minister Pekka Haavisto.

Details: The communiqué also stated that only persons who, by virtue of their position and authority, exercise control and can direct the policy or military actions of a particular state can be guilty of the crime of aggression.

Background: At the end of January, the group on the creation of a special tribunal met in Prague, Czech Republic, with 20 countries participating.

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EU supports de-mining of liberated areas in Ukraine with additional €25 million programme​


In the margins of the EU-Ukraine Summit taking place in Kyiv today, EU High Representative Josep Borrell announced an additional €25 million support to Ukraine’s de-mining of liberated territories.

These mines and explosives left behind by the Russian army constitute a danger for returning civilian populations and slows down the revival of economic activity, especially in the transport and agricultural sectors.

“A large spread of mines and other explosive ordnances is being found in territories liberated by Ukrainian Armed Forces. Unfortunately, Ukraine is one of the most contaminated countries in the world by military remnants of any kind and these people are doing a gigantic work in order to clean the landscape and make it safe,” said Borrell. “Protecting civilians and their livelihood is a priority.”

The funding will allow it to provide essential equipment for Ukrainian state mine action operators and support the capacities of the Ukrainian authorities to effectively manage the national mine action sector.


CIA chief says next six months of Russia-Ukraine war will be “critical”​


The next six months of Russia’s war against Ukraine will be “critical” according to U.S. Central Intelligence Agency Director William Burns, Olivia Gazis, a journalist at U.S. news channel CBS News, reported on Twitter on Feb. 2.
“In Ukraine, CIA’s Burns says the next six months will be ‘critical,’ with Putin still betting that ‘political fatigue’ will set in across the West,” she tweeted, quoting the CIA director during a presentation at the Institute for the Study of Diplomacy.

“‘We do not assess’ that Moscow is serious about negotiations.’”

According to Gazis, Burns also calls the deepening military ties between Iran and Russia “especially concerning.”

The journalist added that “CIA’s Burns says of the ‘30 or so hours’ he spent in Ukraine last month, six were in bomb shelters – there were two separate strikes against civilian facilities by Russians using Iranian UAVs.”

Burns secretly visited Kyiv in January and met with President Volodymyr Zelenskyy.

The U.S. intelligence chief and Ukrainian leadership reportedly discussed the possibility of a new Russian offensive. Further support from the U.S. Congress was also on the agenda.

EU to train 30,000 Ukrainian soldiers by end of 2023, reports Borrell​


The European Union will train 30,000 Ukrainian soldiers by the end of the year, the Ukrainian news agency UNIAN reported on Feb. 3, citing EU High Representative for Foreign Affairs Josep Borrell.

The training will take place under the European Union Military Assistance Mission in support of Ukraine (EUMAM). It will be held mainly in Germany, Poland, and other member states.

“The success has been so great that now the goal is to prepare an additional 15,000by the end of the year,” Borrell said.

“Which means 30,000 personnel of the Ukrainian Armed Forces in total,”

He also noted that the total military aid under the European Peace Fund amounts to€3.6 billion ($4 billion).

“If we combine what the member states are doing bilaterally together with this intergovernmental fund, I think that the aid for military support has reached €12 billion ($13 billion),” Borrell noted.

“It’s not as much as the United States has allocated, but it’s still 40% of U.S. military support.”

On Jan. 23, the European Union had approved additional €500 million ($545 million) in military aid to Ukraine.

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Soaring Death Toll Gives Grim Insight Into Russian Tactics​

Moscow is sending poorly trained recruits, including convicts, to the front lines in eastern Ukraine to pave the way for more seasoned fighters, U.S. and allied officials say.

The number of Russian troops killed and wounded in Ukraine is approaching 200,000, a stark symbol of just how badly President Vladimir V. Putin’s invasion has gone, according to American and other Western officials.

While the officials caution that casualties are notoriously difficult to estimate, particularly because Moscow is believed to routinely undercount its war dead and injured, they say the slaughter from fighting in and around the eastern Ukrainian city of Bakhmut and the town of Soledar has ballooned what was already a heavy toll.

With Moscow desperate for a major battlefield victory and viewing Bakhmut as the key to seizing the entire eastern Donbas area, the Russian military has sent poorly trained recruits and former convicts to the front lines, straight into the path of Ukrainian shelling and machine guns. The result, American officials say, has been hundreds of troops killed or injured a day.

Russia analysts say that the loss of life is unlikely to be a deterrent to Mr. Putin’s war aims. He has no political opposition at home and has framed the war as the kind of struggle the country faced in World War II, when more than 8 million Soviet troops died. U.S. officials have said that they believe that Mr. Putin can sustain hundreds of thousands of casualties in Ukraine, although higher numbers could cut into his political support.

Ukraine’s casualty figures are also difficult to ascertain, given Kyiv’s reluctance to disclose its own wartime losses. But in Bakhmut, hundreds of Ukrainian troops have been wounded and killed daily at times as well, officials said. Better trained infantry formations are kept in reserve to safeguard them, while lesser prepared troops, such as those in the territorial defense units, are kept on the front line and bear the brunt of shelling.

The last public Biden administration estimate of casualties came last November, when Gen. Mark A. Milley, the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, said that more than 100,000 troops on each side had been killed and wounded since the war began. At the time, officials said privately that the numbers were closer to 120,000.

“I would say it’s significantly well over 100,000 now,” General Milley said at a news conference last month in Germany, adding that the Russian toll included “regular military, and also their mercenaries in the Wagner Group.”

At two meetings last month between senior military and defense officials from NATO and partner countries, officials said the fighting in the Donbas had turned into, as one of them put it, a meat grinder.

On Norwegian TV on Jan. 22, Gen. Eirik Kristoffersen, Norway’s defense chief, said estimates were that Russia had suffered 180,000 dead and wounded, while Ukraine had 100,000 killed or wounded in action along with 30,000 civilian deaths. General Kristoffersen, in an email to The New York Times through his spokesman, said that there is “much uncertainty regarding these numbers, as no one at the moment are able to give a good overview. They could be both lower or even higher.”

Senior U.S. officials said this week that they believe the number for Russia is closer to 200,000. That toll, in just 11 months, is eight times higher than American casualties in two decades of war in Afghanistan.

The figures for Ukraine and Russia are estimates based on satellite imagery, communication intercepts, social media and on-the-ground media reports, as well as official reporting from both governments. Establishing precise numbers is extremely difficult, and estimates vary, even within the U.S. government.

A senior U.S. military official last month described the combat around Bakhmut as savage. The two sides exchanged several thousand rounds of artillery fire each day, while the Wagner private military company, which has been central to Russia’s efforts there, had essentially begun using recruited convicts as cannon fodder, the official told reporters. He spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss operational details.
The convicts took the brunt of the Ukrainian response while the group’s more seasoned fighters moved in behind them to claim ground, the official said. Wagner has recruited some 50,000 troops to fight in Ukraine, according to senior American military and defense officials.

Thousands of the convicts have been killed, a loss of life that has shocked American officials, who say the strategic value of Bakhmut simply is not in line with the price Russia has paid.

In an interview on Tuesday, a senior Defense Department official pointed to myriad military supply and tactical problems to explain the Russian tactics. The Russian military is running low on critical supplies and replenishment, said Colin H. Kahl, the under secretary of defense for policy. “They’re running low on artillery. They’re running low on standoff munitions, and they are substituting by sending convicts in human waves into places like Bakhmut and Soledar.”

The Russian military has been following the Wagner playbook and deliberately using the poorly trained troops to draw, and deplete, Ukrainian fire, senior American military and defense officials said.

Kusti Salm, Estonia’s deputy defense minister, in a briefing with reporters in Washington last week, said that Russia was better able to stand its losses than Ukraine.
“In this particular area, the Russians have employed around 40,000 to 50,000 inmates or prisoners,” Mr. Salm said. “They are going up against regular soldiers, people with families, people with regular training, valuable people for the Ukrainian military.”

“So the exchange rate is unfair,” he added. “It’s not one to one because for Russia, inmates are expendable. From an operational perspective, this is a very unfair deal for the Ukrainians and a clever tactical move from the Russian side.”

Moscow has thrown people it sees as expendable into battles for decades, if not centuries. During World War II, Joseph Stalin sent close to one million prisoners to the front. Boris Sokolov, a Russia historian, describes in a piece called “Gulag Reserves” in the Russian opposition magazine Grani.ru that an additional one million “special settlers”— deportees and others viewed by the Soviet government as second-class citizens — were also forced to fight during World War II.

“In essence, it does not matter how big the Russian losses are, since their overall human resource is much greater than Ukraine’s,” Mr. Salm, the Estonian official, said in a follow-up email. “In Russia the life of a soldier is worth nothing. A dead soldier, on the other hand, is a hero, regardless of how he died. All lost soldiers can be replaced, and the number of losses will not shift the public opinion against the war.”

Julian E. Barnes contributed reporting.


Italy to deliver Ukraine SAMP/T air defense missile system within next two months​


According to information published by the International Press Agency Reuters on February 3, 2023, Italian Foreign Minister Antonio Tajani announced that the SAMP/T air defense missile system jointly developed by Italy and France will be delivered to Ukraine within the next two months.

Citing information from the Italian Foreign Minister Antonio Tajani, Italy expects that the SAMP/T air defense missile system will be operational within seven to eight weeks.

The President of Ukraine Volodymyr Zelenskyy continues to request the United States to provide more air defense systems following the recent Russian aerial and missile attacks against the Ukrainian armed forces and the main cities of Ukraine.

Citing information from the Ukrainian Ministry of Defense, at the beginning of this month, the Russian armed forces launched several S-300 missiles against the city of Kramatorsk in the northern portion of Donetsk Oblast. Russian Iskander ballistic missiles were also launched in different areas within Ukrainian territory.

The SAMP/T (French acronym of Sol-Air Moyenne Portée Terrestre - Ground to Air for Land Medium Range) is a Medium-Range Surface-to-Air Missile system developed by the European consortium Eurosam. The system is designed to provide air defense against a wide range of aerial threats, including aircraft, helicopters, unmanned aerial vehicles (UAVs), and cruise missiles. The primary target of SAMP/T is to provide protection to military forces, critical infrastructure, and populated areas against air attacks.

The SAMP/T is able to fire Aster 30 missiles, which are capable of intercepting aerial threats at ranges of up to 300 kilometers and altitudes of up to 30 kilometers. The system is mobile, allowing it to be deployed to different locations as needed, and features both passive and active electronic countermeasures to defend against enemy attempts to jam or spoof the system.


The SAMP/T uses a modernized version of the Arabel radar offering more performance and combat capabilities against higher speed targets and higher altitude targets. It can track up to 100 targets simultaneously and manage the uplink transmission of command update data to 16 missiles simultaneously.

 
@Useful_Mistake The history of the Aster is really interesting, it was an extremely expensive, complicated and political project. One of the few big defense projects to be initiated in Europe after the cold war ended.

Even though it's described as Franco/Italian it was really the UK that needed it, because their naval SAM were so obsolete. They didn't have the industry anymore to develop their own indigenously so it was either US SM-2 or whatever European project could be cobbled together.

Most European defense projects end up getting bogged down in Political disagreements, as nations fight over the % of work they'll get but that didn't really happen with the Aster because it was so vital to the future of the large European navies.

The real asset for the Ukrainians are going to be the radars, which are designed to fit into an integrated air defense network with whatever other systems are available. It was built with an eye to getting export orders in a way the Patriot isn't.

The radars are powerful and advanced enough that they can provide all the way guidance to the missiles, but the missiles have an active seeker as well, like an AMRAAM.

I have a suspicion that like the Patriot, it's going to be used mainly to protect Ukraine's communication links with NATO countries.
 
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No commentary from me, all I could muster is "Bro, what the fuck"
Dual turret controls in a T-72 for commander and gunner, shit optics, and Russian doctrine says the commander has to stay buttoned up.

In the West the first few weeks of training crews on AFV's is to scare the shit out of them, about how easy it is to die. Lack of fuel and training means shit like this is probably happening all the time.
 
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I have always wondered a good chunk of the farms has such hate for the Ukraine? Is it being contrarian or just hate the west for being globalhomo?
Building on the "contrarian" part, Ukraine has gotten strong support from the usual Twitter NPC blue-check retards. The same people who have BLM and pronouns in their bio added a Ukraine flag last year. Who wants to be associated with such people? Always opposing whatever they support is tempting and indeed has a decent success rate.

The thing is, the opinions of Twitter retards don't matter. They're retards. If you slavishly do the opposite of them, you're giving them "reverse psychology" power over you. They'll always support the current thing, right or wrong, whether it's promoting fat black troons or helping hurricane victims. Just ignore them and do what's right.
 
List of German supplies to Ukraine:
The Federal Government supports the Ukrainian military in close coordination with its partners and allies. This list provides an overview of lethal and non-lethal German military support for Ukraine. It includes deliveries from the Federal Armed Forces, as well as supplies from German industry financed from the Federal Government’s funds for so-called security capacity building.
Funding for the security capacity building initiative amounts to a total of 2.2 billion Euros for the year 2023 (after 2 billion Euros for 2022). The funds are to be used primarily to support Ukraine. At the same time, they will be used to finance Germany’s increased mandatory contributions to the European Peace Facility (EPF), which in turn goes towards reimbursing EU member states for costs incurred to them in providing support for Ukraine.
The list:
Delivered military support to Ukraine:

(Changes compared to the previous week in bold)
  • Iris-T SLM missiles*
  • 3 mobile, remote controlled and protected mine clearing systems*
  • 40 laser target designators* (before: 20)
  • 10 mobile antenna mast systems*
  • 13 trucks*
  • 2 load-handling trucks 15t*
  • 12 truck tractor trains and 4 semi-trailers*
  • 107 border protection vehicles*
  • 145 Pick-ups*
  • 4 mobile and protected mine clearing systems*
  • 168 mobile heating systems*
  • 20 rocket launchers 70mm on pick-up trucks with rockets*
  • 15 armoured recovery vehicles Bergepanzer 2*
  • 12 tank transporter tractor M1070 Oshkosh*
  • 7 tracked and remote controlled infantry vehicles for support tasks*
  • 216 generators
  • 35 load-handling trucks 8x8
  • 26 reconnaissance drones*
  • 36 ambulances*
  • 36.400 wool blankets
  • 12 heavy duty trailer trucks*
  • 55 anti-drone sensors and jammers*
  • 30 drone detection systems*
  • 6 lift trucks*
  • 60,000 rounds ammunition 40mm*
  • 18,500 projectiles 155mm
  • 50 MRAP vehicles DINGO
  • 3 bridge-laying tanks BEAVER*
  • 10 unmanned surface vessels*
  • 14,000 sleeping bags
  • Mi-24 spare parts*
  • ammunition for multiple rocket launchers MARS II
  • spare parts for heavy machine gun M2
  • 30 MG3 for armoured recovery vehicles
  • 20 frequency range extensions for anti-drone devices*
  • 17 heavy and medium bridge systems*
  • 5 multiple rocket launchers MARS II with ammunition
  • 14 self-propelled howitzers Panzerhaubitze 2000 (joint project with the Netherlands)
  • air defence system Iris-T SLM*
  • 200 tents
  • 116.000 winter jackets
  • 80.000 winter trousers
  • 240.000 winter hats
  • 100,000 first aid kits*
  • 405,000 pre-packaged military Meals Ready
  • 30 self-propelled anti-aircraft guns GEPARD including circa 6.000 rounds of ammunition*
  • 67 fridges for medical material*
  • counter battery radar system COBRA*
  • 4,000 rounds practice ammunitions for self-propelled anti-aircraft guns
  • 54 M113 armoured personnel carriers (systems of Denmark, upgrades financed by Germany)*
  • 53,000 rounds ammunitions for self-propelled anti-aircraft guns
  • 3,000 anti-tank weapons Panzerfaust 3 with 900 firing devices
  • 14,900 anti-tank mines (9,300* from industry stocks)
  • 500 Man Portable Air Defense Systems STINGER
  • 2,700 Man Portable Air Defense Systems STRELA
  • 22 million rounds of ammunition for fire arms
  • 50 bunker buster missiles
  • 100 machine gun MG3 with 500 spare barrels and breechblocks
  • 100,000 hand grenades
  • 5,300 explosive charges
  • 100,000 m detonating cord and 100.000 detonators
  • 350,000 detonators
  • 10 anti-drone guns*
  • 100 auto-injector devices
  • 28,000 combat helmets
  • 15 palettes military clothing
  • 280 vehicles (trucks, minibuses, all-terrain vehicles)
  • 6 palettes material for explosive ordnance disposal
  • 125 binoculars
  • 1,200 hospital beds
  • 18 palettes medical material, 60 surgical lights
  • protective clothing, surgical masks
  • 600 safety glasses
  • 1 radio frequency system
  • 3,000 field telephones with 5.000 cable reels and carrying straps
  • 1 field hospital (joint project with Estonia)*
  • 353 night vision goggles*
  • 12 electronic anti-drone devices*
  • 165 field glasses*
  • medical material (inter alia back packs, compression bandages)
  • 38 laser range finders*
  • Diesel and gasoline (ongoing deliveries)*
  • 10 tons AdBlue*
  • 500 medical gauzes*
  • MiG-29 spare parts*
  • 30 protected vehicles*
  • 7,944 man-portable anti-tank weapons RGW 90 Matador*
  • 6 mobile decontamination vehicles HEP 70 including decontamination material
  • 10 HMMWV (8x ground radar capability, 2x jamming/anti drone capability)*
  • 7 radio jammers*
  • 8 mobile ground surveillance radars and thermal imaging cameras*
  • 4 mobile and protected mine clearing systems*
  • 1 high frequency unit with equipment
Military support to Ukraine in planning/in execution
(due to security concerns, the Federal Government abstains from providing details on transportation modalities and dates until after handover)
  • 40 mobile antenna mast systems*
  • 14 Leopard 2 A 6 main battle tanks with ammunition (joint project with further Leopard 2 operators)
  • 2 armoured recovery vehicles Bergepanzer 3
  • 2 air surveillance radars*
  • 78 truck tractor trains and 86 semi-trailers*
  • 40 infantry fighting vehicles MARDER with ammunition (from Bundeswehr and industry stocks*)
  • air defence system PATRIOT with missiles
  • 100,000 first aid kits*
  • 114 reconnaissance drones*
  • 1 tank transporter tractor M1070 Oshkosh*
  • 17 mobile heating systems*
  • 24 load-handling trucks 15t*
  • 18 wheeled self-propelled howitzers RCH 155*
  • 90 drone detection systems*
  • 2 hangar tents*
  • 7 load-handling trucks 8x6*
  • 7 self-propelled anti-aircraft guns GEPARD*
  • 7 tracked and remote controlled infantry vehicles for support tasks*
  • 6 mobile and protected mine clearing systems*
  • Iris-T SLM missiles*
  • 42 mine clearing tanks*
  • 5 mobile reconnaissance systems (on vehicles) *
  • 393 border protection vehicles*
  • 1,020 projectiles 155mm*
  • 156,000 rounds ammunition 40mm*
  • 5 armoured engineer vehicles*
  • 3 heavy and medium bridge systems*
  • 16 self-propelled howitzer Zuzana 2* (joint project with Denmark and Norway)
  • 78 heavy duty trailer trucks*
  • 3 air defence system IRIS-T SLM*
  • 12 communications electronic scanner/jammer systems*
  • field hospital (role 2)*
  • 20 frequency range extensions for anti-drone devices*
  • 2 tractors and 4 trailers*
  • 10 protected vehicles*
  • vehicle decontamination system
  • 5,032 man-portable anti-tank weapons*
  • 187 trucks*
  • 13 bridge-laying tanks BEAVER*
Mine-clearance drones (UMC's?) also arriving:
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GCS recently delivered a series of remote-controlled demining systems to a police barracks in Zhytomyr, west of Kyiv. This comes after the Federal Republic of Germany donated a set of GCS-100s to the National Police of Ukraine (NPU) to fast-track the clearance of explosive hazards caused by the ongoing war. The contract includes a two-week specialist Explosive Ordnance Disposal (EOD) training program to equip the NPU with basic operating skills. Its compact size, robotic arm and onboard camera system are some features that make the GCS-100 fit for clearing Ukraine's inner cities.

“We are currently working with the police's EOD unit. We are showing all the operating controls and capabilities of the machine. We've got very limited time here because the guys need to be going out to the field straight away," says the senior technician tasked with instructing the course. GCS technicians working in Zhytomyr have asked to remain anonymous for safety concerns. Ukrainian state media, Suspilne News, recently reported on how the robotic tools can help mitigate threats from safe distances.

This is a very different theatre of operations than we have ever dealt with. Some very high-tech munitions must be disposed of. They are tricky and very dangerous to approach at any point. Russians, when they depart, they booby trap things. Even light bulbs in homes can be converted into bombs
Modern minefields

"The guys that we are training, a lot of them have been right out in the front end and have already been clearing landmines and rockets that have failed or plummeted into buildings, people's houses, are stuck in wooden floors or garden sheds," says the instructor. "The police are short-staffed and just busy the whole time," he adds.
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Lectures on the numerous types of Explosive Ordnance (EO) were also presented to better identify hazards. Thousands of Russian-made threats, such as the banned PFM 1 or Butterfly mine, have reportedly rained down on civilian areas in recent months. While long-range missiles have targeted Ukraine's power and water stations, resulting in days without these vital resources.
GCS' instructor, who has been active in humanitarian demining for over two decades, says the situation is simply unreal. "This is a very different theatre of operations than we have ever dealt with. Some very high-tech munitions must be disposed of. They are tricky and very dangerous to approach at any point. Russians, when they depart, they booby trap things. Even light bulbs in homes can be converted into bombs."
“In addition to the training course, we will conduct a mentoring program to help the client become even more efficient so that the police can become trainers
Reliability is key
Fabian Klauser, Head of Services at GCS, explains that a dedicated global maintenance team remains on standby to ensure that the demining systems are functioning optimally. Klauser says, "In addition to the training course, we will conduct a mentoring program to help the client become even more efficient so that the police can become trainers themselves."
Essential deminer operating skills are growing in demand. Clearance of anti-personnel and increasingly anti-tank mines has become even more urgent. One year after the conflict began, manual demining alone is simply unfeasible.
The US State Department estimates that about 160 000 square kilometres of Ukrainian territory will need to be tested for explosive hazards. The subzero temperatures currently felt across Europe add to the anguish. Experts say it will take decades for Ukraine to be declared mine-free. When and if this war ends, severe wounds will likely remain.

Field-expedient drone that drops six 82mm mortars. Holy fuck.


Stormer air-defense vehicle near Vuhledar.
 
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No commentary from me, all I could muster is "Bro, what the fuck"
Gun barrels don't have a physics bounding box in world of tanks.

That's all I got.

In the West the first few weeks of training crews on AFV's is to scare the shit out of them, about how easy it is to die. Lack of fuel and training means shit like this is probably happening all the time.
Every military vet I've encountered has told the story of a challenger, or an abrams, or some other tank that turned its turret and lopped the head off an unsuspecting infantryman who was standing too close. I've seen how fast those things turn. It's only a surprise it doesn't happen more often.
 
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