US tracking suspected Chinese surveillance balloon - Feds afraid of popping Xi's big red balloon

"The US has been monitoring a suspected Chinese surveillance balloon that has been spotted in the skies over the northern US this week.

Pentagon officials said in a briefing they are "confident that this high-altitude surveillance balloon" belongs to China.
US military chiefs have for now decided against blowing the alleged spy craft out of the sky, citing safety concerns.
US President Joe Biden has been briefed on the situation, said the Pentagon.
The balloon was over the western state of Montana on Wednesday, according to defence officials.
They added that US military leaders, including Defence Secretary Lloyd Austin and General Mark Milley, the chairman of the US Joint Chiefs of Staff, met on Wednesday to assess the threat. Mr Austin was travelling to the Philippines at the time.

The military commanders advised against taking "kinetic action" against the balloon because of the danger of debris falling to the ground.
A senior defence official speaking on condition of anonymity said there was no "significantly enhanced threat" of US intelligence being compromised because US officials "know exactly where this balloon is and exactly where it's passing over".
He added that there was no threat to civilian aviation either because the balloon is "significantly" above the altitude used by commercial airlines.
The senior defence official said the US has raised the matter with Chinese officials in their embassy in Washington DC and in Beijing.
The object flew over Alaska's Aleutian Islands and through Canada before appearing over the city of Billings, Montana, on Wednesday, officials say.

During Thursday's briefing at the Pentagon, officials declined to disclose the aircraft's current location. They also refused to provide more details of the object, including its size.

"There have been reports of pilots seeing this thing even though it's pretty high up in the sky," the unnamed defence official said.
"So you know, it's, it's sizable."
The official added that similar balloons have appeared in the skies over the US in the past few years.
But the current balloon "is appearing to hang out for a longer period of time" and has been "more persistent" than previous spy crafts.
It is unclear why it was seen in that particular region of the US. Billings is around 250 miles (400km) southwest of the Malmstrom Air Force Base, which is one of three US air bases that house the Minuteman III intercontinental ballistic missile.
Pentagon officials refused to confirm if the base was a surveillance target, but agreed "the current flight path does carry it over a number of sensitive sites".

The alleged spy craft confounded social media users in Montana on Wednesday.
People posted photos of a pale round object in the sky that floated separately from the moon. Others reported seeing US military planes in the area, apparently monitoring the object.
It also led to a two-hour ground stop at Billings Logan International Airport after aviation officials made the decision to close 50 sq miles of air space.
It comes ahead of US Secretary of State Antony Blinken's visit to China.
The top US diplomat will be in Beijing next week to hold talks on a wide range of issues, including security, Taiwan and Covid-19.
He will meet Chinese President Xi Jinping, the Financial Times newspaper reported on Thursday."
 
I would also like to say that we have nuclear submarines pretty much all around China. Like I get it. China=Scary. But like...yeah they've got nuclear armed Trident missiles cruising pretty much in their backyard.

At this point I'm guessing China could send us a strongly worded letter and people would fill their britches with patriotic doodies
 
I don't know what more there is to say...

You do you. You can believe whatever you want, math or MSM journotards who wouldn't know a diffraction limited lens if you beat them with it, driveling on from their CIA handler's propaganda emails. I'm telling you it's optically impossible to resolve a face from orbit, using the lowest orbit I am aware of, and that's in a theoretical vacuum. Introduce the distortion that the atmosphere causes and it's even more impossible, the presence of air, variations in its density due to temperature gradients, and airborne particles, precludes this from being possible even with a theoretically perfect lens and camera on a satellite that somehow is in the right spot at the right time (geostationary orbits are impossible at the altitude I used for calculations, they an order of magnitude further away). Seeing the existence of people of various shapes and sizes requires a resolution of meters, seeing a person's face requires a resolution of centimeters.
 
This is contradicted by other reports though that no photograph of OBL was ever obtained though.
Despite what officials described as an extraordinarily concentrated collection effort leading up to the operation, no U.S. spy agency was ever able to capture a photograph of bin Laden at the compound before the raid or a recording of the voice of the mysterious male figure whose family occupied the structure’s top two floors.

One of the reasons they went with a SEAL raid was because they couldn't confirm without a doubt that it was OBL in the compound. If they had satellite photos of his face, confirming it was him, they would have just dropped a missile on the house. But because they couldn't, they sent SEALs to raid the house, determine if he was there, and then bring back his body. This avoids the messiness of blowing up a random house that may have not had Osama and killing civilians in the adjacent houses and pissing off Pakistan whom we needed as the only land route to supply troops in Afghanistan.
 
AA guns can't hit shit above 30k ft or so, and even that alt is only the really big ones. A balloon at >100k ft is a challenge to hit.
I'm fairly certain that we have airborne cannons which can load flak ammo, my guy. The AC-130 is essentially a giant flying fort strapped with enough firepower to do AA while pounding the ground with shells.
 
AA guns can't hit shit above 30k ft or so, and even that alt is only the really big ones. A balloon at >100k ft is a challenge to hit.
Lol I was just gonna say ain't no fucking AA gun gonna hit any target that high, your old man's knowledge is badly out of date @Sithis.

A missile or a jet or a weaponized SATELLITE are about the only things that have a prayer of hitting a target that high up, barring unlikely shit like a surface-to-space laser.

edit: As for shooting a balloon with a Spooky...no...just no...omg.

The publicly known service ceiling: 39,000 ft
Balloon: over TWICE that high.

That's even higher than you for imagining a wide-body aircraft dedicated for ground-attack missions is the appropriate weapons platform for intercepting an air target. If I suggested something this ridiculous on my air simulator forums my account would be loudly mocked if not tempbanned for failure to research.
 
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Lol I was just gonna say ain't no fucking AA gun gonna hit any target that high, your old man's knowledge is badly out of date @Sithis.

A missile or a jet or hell a weaponized SATELLITE are about the only things that have a prayer of hitting a target that high up, barring unlikely shit like a surface-to-space laser.
I'd say he's more up to date than you considering we should have figured out how to strap AA guns onto planes by this point.

I'm starting to see how the US went from being a nation that could go from economic depression to supplying and fighting a global war on two fronts and pulling off the Berlin Airlift, to being unable to even shoot down a balloon, and it ain't the lack of technology.
 
A lot of our nuke silos are around that general area.
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A map of some current US Minuteman missile locations.
They do this shit all the time.

Yup... overflying the US was permitted for most of our lives per the Open Skies Treaty signed by Bush I and was in force until 2018.
Open Skies Treaty
The Treaty on Open Skies establishes a program of unarmed aerial surveillance flights over the entire territory of its participants.
Even our nuclear silos were opened so that Russia could verify we were complying with the START I treaty:
The silo site then had to remain open for ninety days to allow Soviet satellites time to verify that the removal complied with treaty...
My guess is that this is a power play or in Chinese terms a loss of lien (face) before the discussions.

P.S. The hysteria over this reminds me of the nuttery that some Americans had over Sputnik flying over their region while they hid in the basement. This is very ironic coming from a nation that would regularly violate the airspace of it's near peers and continues to do so today to lesser countries.

The military has chosen not to shoot it down for probably a variety of reasons. Nothing else can be done. Time to come back to posting about trannies.
 
Do you know what the ceiling of a C-130 is?

Have you ever heard of the armstrong limit?
Again, I'm starting to see how we went from the most powerful military on earth to being unable to hold down airports or shoot down balloons, we have too many people like you running shit.

@CowPox it probably won't land over us soil
 
Again, I'm starting to see how we went from the most powerful military on earth to being unable to hold down airports or shoot down balloons

Not by using the completely wrong tool for the job, for starters.\

Are railguns still shit? One of those might be able to hit it from the ground. But they were experimental last time I checked.

Yeah, still experimental and way more suited for shore or naval targets.

They are also working on an air-based laser, IIRC on a 747 frame. Now would be a wonderful field test if they've got a working prototype - if for no other reason that unlike guns or missiles, what goes up does not come down.
 
Again, I'm starting to see how we went from the most powerful military on earth to being unable to hold down airports or shoot down balloons, we have too many people like you running shit.
We don't have to shoot it down because we are the most powerful. Other options are available to us diplomatically rather than firing guns wildly in the air like feral niggers.
 
Not by using the completely wrong tool for the job, for starters.
"Hey guys, we have this ammo that is specifically designed for exploding into shrapnel within range of aircraft, jets that can fly within range of a balloon, and every type of cannon imaginable. But how do we shoot down this balloon?!"
 
Not by using the completely wrong tool for the job, for starters.\



Yeah, still experimental and way more suited for shore or naval targets.

They are also working on an air-based laser, IIRC on a 747 frame. Now would be a wonderful field test if they've got a working prototype - if for no other reason that unlike guns or missiles, what goes up does not come down.
The railgun was discontinued due to not being practical yet in comparison to more traditional guns and I believe the airborne laser program was scrapped during the 2000s for the same reason, its just not practical at the range it could effectivily engage enemy ICBMs.
 
The railgun was discontinued due to not being practical yet in comparison to more traditional guns and I believe the airborne laser program was scrapped during the 2000s for the same reason, its just not practical at the range it could effectivily engage enemy ICBMs.
They killed both of them? Fuck...I wonder what we could've done if those programs were given the funding that was completely wasted on the Dumbwalt-class "ships". Thanks for the information.
 
They killed both of them? Fuck...I wonder what we could've done if those programs were given the funding that was completely wasted on the Dumbwalt-class "ships". Thanks for the information.
Yeah, Zumwalt is retarded. There was a period after the cold war the US really did just try a bunch of shit that wasn't practical due to not having a peer adversary. But now things are finally going back to practical things that can work today.

For your reading pleasure regarding the railgun and Boeing YAL-1
 
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