Chinese Communist Party Megathread - Cold War 2: Electric Boogaloo

Yes, an immediate Non militaristic response, especially when American generals are explicitly saying there is no threat, and they perceive no threat, despite how much the political commentators, other branches of government, other allies, say otherwise. It is more likely that Japan would be in conflict, and not the US directly, which still makes me technically right.
There is no way in hell the U.S. will not perceive a blockade of Taiwan as a direct threat to the island and its strategic value to the U.S. And any blockade would have an immediate disruption to the global supply chain. Once again, Taiwan supplies over 90% of the world's semiconductors, including the ones the U.S. uses in its weapons systems. That makes any blockade attempt a direct existential threat to the United States. And any blockade will not cause an instantaneous collapse of the island. As I said, the longer this drags out, the higher the chance of U.S. involvement.

both times shows how the US military aims for no direct conflict at all costs.
The U.S. aims to avoid conflict until such a time as its unavoidable. A military blockade is a direct military act that requires a military response. Once that happens, all bets are off the table, which is why China has not been stupid enough to even attempt something like that.

The longer the sea conflict, the more likely the US will get involved, which in turn makes generals more hesitant to not be responsible for the lost of American lives on the battlefield, in turn, less likely for US military involvement to support Taiwan, just like Ukraine.
Taiwan is not Ukraine. Taiwan is directly strategically important to U.S. interests. In Ukraine, the U.S.'s best interest is to turn the conflict into a stalemate and bleed Russia dry trying to take Ukraine, thus ensuring that Russia will not be a threat to the region in the future because it will be too tired to wage anymore wars. For Taiwan, the U.S.'s strategic interests are to keep the island out of Chinese hands at all costs, and end the conflict as quickly as possible. Two very different situations.

Conversely, it is precisely the same faulty fait accompli that made US think tanks suggest to nuke Taiwan's TSMC so that China doesn't get their hands on it. I guess any batshit insane idea is valid when ultimately it doesn't effect Americans.
The idea of nuking TSMC is a literal last resort to keep it out of Chinese hands. Remember how I said that many of the chips used in U.S. weapons systems are made on the island. The U.S. does not want that falling into Chinese hands. But more to the point, the fact that this is even a consideration should just tell you how important the island actually is. The U.S. won't let it simply fall to China in any situation.
 
There is no way in hell the U.S. will not perceive a blockade of Taiwan as a direct threat to the island and its strategic value to the U.S. And any blockade would have an immediate disruption to the global supply chain.
Say that to the people getting literally shelled right now in Ukraine, Russia pushed the borders, annexed a few counties, and what is the international response to a legitimate country in Europe under constant threat? Fuck all militaristically. We had a global supply chain blockade stress test, the worst ever in just the last two years, and guess what, USA is back at the negotiating table with China. I'll address your ill informed preconceptions on how the chip supply chain works below.

Once again, Taiwan supplies over 90% of the world's semiconductors, including the ones the U.S. uses in its weapons systems. That makes any blockade attempt a direct existential threat to the United States. And any blockade will not cause an instantaneous collapse of the island. As I said, the longer this drags out, the higher the chance of U.S. involvement.
First off, Taiwan does not supply that much chips to the world, as many are actually made in mainland China, with additives on Taiwan. Many are actually done vice versa, and both labled either China, or Taiwan depending on which is more convenant for the manufacturer. It is especially more important now when a lot of the "fabs" are now "moved" to SEA, while shipping the product back into China for assembly, either way China still makes up a huge portion of the non blockaded chips that we use everyday either directly or indirectly.

It is in this myriad of cooperations and companies that the US has found a secure chain of production for its mission critical hardware for military use. Where as it is possible to slot in one Mainland Registered company with one from Taiwan, or SEA. This myth of how Taiwan is a bus factor for US military defense is greatly exaggerated as a lot of the TSMC fabs and accompanying industries are actually multi national companies with competitors that could take their job in an instant.

Any security check that isn't a full blockade is capable of choking out Taiwan in a matter of months. Simply the discouragement caused by the CCP ships waiving LNG ships every time it passes to Taiwan is enough to greatly effect an already electricity deficient island. These legal checkpoints and UN ruled international waters have not, and will not be contested by the US. To further the point, the PLA can lockdown and quarantine the entire island as described in the rand corporation analysis, and Taiwan will be in chaos within a week after all of the energy runs out for electrical power.

The U.S. aims to avoid conflict until such a time as its unavoidable. A military blockade is a direct military act that requires a military response. Once that happens, all bets are off the table, which is why China has not been stupid enough to even attempt something like that.
Your assumptions of military blockade is wrong, especially in contested waters where the UN did not ratify any surrounding sea region of Taiwan being independent. In fact, Taiwan is technically still China where as no other jurisdiction has power to say what goes on in the land of China. The PRC Have already proven with its militaristic abilities with the Nanci and Guam incidents, which you didn't even bother to address because those are inconvenient facts for you that destroy most of the basis of your arguments.

Taiwan is not Ukraine. Taiwan is directly strategically important to U.S. interests. In Ukraine, the U.S.'s best interest is to turn the conflict into a stalemate and bleed Russia dry trying to take Ukraine, thus ensuring that Russia will not be a threat to the region in the future because it will be too tired to wage anymore wars. For Taiwan, the U.S.'s strategic interests are to keep the island out of Chinese hands at all costs, and end the conflict as quickly as possible. Two very different situations.
Taiwan is "important" to US strategic interests because making conflict around the world and stopping other region's social and economic development is to "protect" US interests. America can not surpass Europe if it didn't start the war in Ukraine, and Taiwan is America's foothold to generate more conflict in Asia before China is perceived to surpass the US.

Taiwan is officially called the Republic Of China, and saying words like "keep the island out of Chinese hands" is monumentally stupid as there is still around half of the population here that identifies as Chinese. I'm appalled at your lack of knowledge and and at you for pushing these false points for a war mongering side of America.

The idea of nuking TSMC is a literal last resort to keep it out of Chinese hands. Remember how I said that many of the chips used in U.S. weapons systems are made on the island. The U.S. does not want that falling into Chinese hands. But more to the point, the fact that this is even a consideration should just tell you how important the island actually is. The U.S. won't let it simply fall to China in any situation.
Yeah, I just can't even be bothered to repeat myself again. You are on multiple levels of wrong, to think as if Taiwan is in the fucking center of the pacific ocean. You can literally swim from mainland China to Taiwan. There is no military reliance on Taiwan producing Raytheon missiles, as there are plenty other capable supply chains already. The pants on head retardedness of those pundit opinions is literally propaganda by warmongers that love to see the world burn.
 
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Dude, your comment is like twice the size of mine. Its so big, the quote bug got it. In the interest of not shitting up the thread with more bullshit posts like this one you made, I won't bother responding to most of this shit at length. I'll only touch on a few points as briefly as I can.

Say that to the people getting literally shelled right now in Ukraine, Russia pushed the borders, annexed a few counties, and what is the international response to a legitimate country in Europe under constant threat? Fuck all militaristically.
Dude, what the fuck are you talking about? The U.S. and NATO are practically bankrolling Ukraine's war effort and giving them the weapons to actually turn the tide. The HIMARs that Ukraine is using to rain fire on the Russian Orcs? Those are American. The U.S. is now sending freaking Patriots to Ukraine. To say that the West has done "fuck all militarily" for Ukraine is just ignorant and stupid. The only things they haven't done, short of just sending in troops to fight the Russians themselves, is send vehicles and technologies that the West a) Really doesn't want falling into Russian hands, b) would have to give the Ukrainians extensive training on before they could use (like, years worth of training, such as fighter jets), and c) anything that would be seen as "escalating the conflict". And that is just the military aid that NATO gave. That's not even getting into America spearheading booting the Russians out of the global economy, and taking the initiative of removing Russia from SWIFT. To say that the international response has been "fuck all" is just ignorant.

First off, Taiwan does not supply that much chips to the world, as many are actually made in mainland China, with additives on Taiwan. Many are actually done vice versa, and both labled either China, or Taiwan depending on which is more convenant for the manufacturer. It is especially more important now when a lot of the "fabs" are now "moved" to SEA, while shipping the product back into China for assembly, either way China still makes up a huge portion of the non blockaded chips that we use everyday either directly or indirectly.

It is in this myriad of cooperations and companies that the US has found a secure chain of production for its mission critical hardware for military use. Where as it is possible to slot in one Mainland Registered company with one from Taiwan, or SEA. This myth of how Taiwan is a bus factor for US military defense is greatly exaggerated as a lot of the TSMC fabs and accompanying industries are actually multi national companies with competitors that could take their job in an instant.
This is just bullshit. TSMC does in fact make most of the world's chips, and its main factory is in fact in Taiwan. This is why the U.S. and TSMC have made a point of developing factories right here in America, just in case there is a war over Taiwan.

Your assumptions of military blockade is wrong, especially in contested waters where the UN did not ratify any surrounding sea region of Taiwan being independent. In fact, Taiwan is technically still China where as no other jurisdiction has power to say what goes on in the land of China.
Taiwan is officially called the Republic Of China, and saying words like "keep the island out of Chinese hands" is monumentally stupid as there is still around half of the population here that identifies as Chinese. I'm appalled at your lack of knowledge and and at you for pushing these false points for a war mongering side of America.
International law regarding Taiwan and its sovereignty is FUBAR, at best, and largely a matter of conjecture, bullshit, and utter irrelevance due the controversy regarding Taiwan's status. Taiwan is an independent country in all the ways that matter and is treated as such de facto by every nation on Earth, even if most of the world doesn't recognize it "de jure", and there are a few nations that do in fact recognize Taiwan as a sovereign nation and treat it as such. The Taiwan Strait is international waters, making any attempted military action there a matter of international concern. Taiwan's official name is irrelevant. The "Republic of China" government on the island also recognizes itself as the sole government of China, which anyone else can see is also functionally irrelevant. There is now a firm "Taiwanese" identity on Taiwan, even if most of the population is ethnic Chinese. They see themselves as Taiwanese first, not Chinese, and there is no large scale movement to merge with the mainland. At this point, you are starting to sound either like a moron or a Chinese 50 cent army shill, as you are making all of the same bullshit arguments they make.

The PRC Have already proven with its militaristic abilities with the Nanci and Guam incidents, which you didn't even bother to address because those are inconvenient facts for you that destroy most of the basis of your arguments.
These "incidents" were just irrelevant. In an actual Taiwan invasion scenario, they mean nothing.
 
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Going to be that guy: TSMC makes silicon dies (the money), it's attached to the substrate and packaged in China. Manufacturing is looking outside China, possibly Vietnam or India to escape political ramifications. TSMC also refused to build it's top-of-the line fabs in the States, it's only year- or two year-old foundries.
 
Going to be that guy: TSMC makes silicon dies (the money), it's attached to the substrate and packaged in China. Manufacturing is looking outside China, possibly Vietnam or India to escape political ramifications. TSMC also refused to build it's top-of-the line fabs in the States, it's only year- or two year-old foundries.
TSMC only operates two fabs in China: one in Nanjing, and one in Shanghai. Most of their fabs are located in Taiwan itself, including their largest ones. They currently have one fab in the U.S., a wholly owned subsidiary in Camas, Washington, and one fab in Singapore, which is a joint venture. They are planning to build two more fabs, one of which is a major complex based in Arizona, which will be the most advanced fab in the U.S. when completed.


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TSMC only operates two fabs in China: one in Nanjing, and one in Shanghai. Most of their fabs are located in Taiwan itself, including their largest ones. They currently have one fab in the U.S., a wholly owned subsidiary in Camas, Washington, and one fab in Singapore, which is a joint venture. They are planning to build two more fabs, one of which is a major complex based in Arizona, which will be the most advanced fab in the U.S. when completed.
You are conveniently missing the joint venture fabs inside mainland china, even if they aren't part of the embargo since they are 14nm+.

I just love how this forum isn't allowing me to quote, but either way, fucking up Ukraine is a fact, and people just love to ignore that since it goes against the mainstream ideology. Calling those economic support a type of military support is just categorically wrong, and those military donations on the level of 12 tanks by the UK, a few hundred(now maybe totaling a few thousand) circumcised patriot missiles as something that can win them the war is something that is factually false.

You aren't even disagreeing with me how some of the American geopolitical goals are literally starting wars in different regions. Your lack of response to how the intricacies of TSMC and sister industries works and simply calling it bullshit without confronting the content is just lazy and shows you aren't willing to confront the truth or don't know how they work.

Immediately calling those incidents irrelevant is just lazy of the utmost degree, I mean if you are going to toe the line, you might as well give a block of text back and shill how much American superiority is going to steam roll China in 2027.

Going to be that guy: TSMC makes silicon dies (the money), it's attached to the substrate and packaged in China. Manufacturing is looking outside China, possibly Vietnam or India to escape political ramifications. TSMC also refused to build it's top-of-the line fabs in the States, it's only year- or two year-old foundries.
From what I heard, the group/consortium/commie finalised/extracted an estimate of 1-2 years operationally comparable fabs, and then 3-4 years for the high end 2nm stuff. This is still up for change though, since costs are 50% up to make the chips in Arizona for the same product.
 
You are conveniently missing the joint venture fabs inside mainland china, even if they aren't part of the embargo since they are 14nm+.
I didn't conveniently forget anything. If they have other joint ventures, list them. Provide sources. Do more than just type words on the internet. Because TSMC does have a list of subsidiaries on its website and the only ones in China are the two controlling the fab facilities I've already listed. Systems on Silicon Manufacturing and a Japanese company are the only joint ventures listed on Wikipedia. If you have more information, feel free to share it.

I just love how this forum isn't allowing me to quote, but either way, fucking up Ukraine is a fact, and people just love to ignore that since it goes against the mainstream ideology. Calling those economic support a type of military support is just categorically wrong, and those military donations on the level of 12 tanks by the UK, a few hundred(now maybe totaling a few thousand) circumcised patriot missiles as something that can win them the war is something that is factually false.
Sending military weapons and equipment is military support, whether you feel it is or not. And its not the only support the NATO is giving Ukraine. NATO is also training Ukrainian troops and feeding Ukrainians intelligence. There are military advisors directly giving the Ukrainians tactical and strategic analysis on what they should do next. There has been a U.S. military mission in the country since before the war began. If you believe the west should give more support, that's one thing (and a lot of your anger should be directly leveled at Germany for that), and hell, I actually agree that NATO can and should do more, but there are real practical and political consideration regarding the level of support that can be sent. But to say that there is no "military support" being given is just downright wrong. And anyone looking at the situation would say that your statement is laughable. They only way you could even make that statement is if you are directly calling on NATO to march into Ukraine and directly fight Russia on their behalf.

You aren't even disagreeing with me how some of the American geopolitical goals are literally starting wars in different regions.
What's there to really disagree with? Its your opinion and I never really argued that point.

Your lack of response to how the intricacies of TSMC and sister industries works and simply calling it bullshit without confronting the content is just lazy and shows you aren't willing to confront the truth or don't know how they work.
I responded. I directly cited why what you said is bullshit by specifically pointing out that most of their fabs are in Taiwan, only two are in China, and two others currently exist in Singapore and the USA. If you say there are more, the onus is on you to prove it. It would be hardly relevant though unless there were significantly more and larger facilities in China than there are in Taiwan. If not, if its just one or two more facilities, then that would hardly help your point or defeat mine. I did respond, the onus is on you to counter respond.

Immediately calling those incidents irrelevant is just lazy of the utmost degree, I mean if you are going to toe the line, you might as well give a block of text back and shill how much American superiority is going to steam roll China in 2027.
Other people have already long opined the actual difficulties China would have in any invasion of Taiwan. These comments are long enough and there is no reason for me to put in that much effort when you are only putting in the minimum yourself. I could link to any number of Youtube videos on the subject that go into more detail and depth then I ever could.
 
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I just love how this forum isn't allowing me to quote
If a long-winded Kiwifag jabbers on too long, their post becomes unquotable. This has been a known "bug" for years, 2019 user. Go pitch a bitch at Nool or learn to freehand quote.

Gung hay fat choy. Can all my aznfag animu gacha phone games stop trying to get me to fuck hot bunny waifus now?
 

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Um.
Y'all. I do not want to go to war with China.
They make lots of stuff that I like to clutter my house with.
BUT!
General Mike Minihan thinks we might have a war with China before too long.


2. COMMANDER'S INTENT [...] I will be tough, fair, and loving in my approach to secure victory.
Good to see the faggotry doesn't stop at the trannies in the Pentagon.
 
Um.
Y'all. I do not want to go to war with China.
They make lots of stuff that I like to clutter my house with.
BUT!
General Mike Minihan thinks we might have a war with China before too long.


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I still can't really get behind the idea that China would be dumb enough to go all guns blazing and start a war with one or more superpowers. Chinese soldiers are currently getting their shit rocked by Indians with sticks, why are we so sure that they can take on multiple highly trained armies?
 
A few days late but
The Taliban has caught China's theft. 2 Chinese nationals have been arrested for trying to smuggle lithium-bearing rocks.
 
Um.
Y'all. I do not want to go to war with China.
They make lots of stuff that I like to clutter my house with.
BUT!
General Mike Minihan thinks we might have a war with China before too long.


War with China is not likely to happen, at least anytime soon. Both sides have ample reason to avoid conflict (economically, militarily, geo-strategically, etc.), and as much as China probably wants Taiwan to be formally part of the mainland, the current "strategic ambiguity" of the US' stance on Taiwan and Taiwan's refusal to formally declare independence is enough to at least not give China a strong casus belli. Plus, what a lot of people seem to forget, is that almost half of Taiwanese exports go to mainland China. Declaring war, blockading exports, or calling sanctions in TSMC will hurt China just as much as it does everyone else.

And as for wargaming, I think the result is more up in the air than anyone gives it credit for. China still definitely has disadvantages in technology, corruption, military experience, and the difficulty of amphibious invasions. However, they do well in local power projection, have a much easier logistics situation (assuming they're better at that than Russia), and are rapidly approaching parity with the US.
 
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I still can't really get behind the idea that China would be dumb enough to go all guns blazing and start a war with one or more superpowers. Chinese soldiers are currently getting their shit rocked by Indians with sticks, why are we so sure that they can take on multiple highly trained armies?
they employ this strategy
 
America's given us Netflix & BLM recently, they also sold the multicultural fucking meme to the world when the stark reality was multiculturalism from Europe itself will build a super country but multiculturalism from Mexicans and blacks will not.

Would we really want to preserve and persist with the United States of America, the revolution and the war is at home. Your local leftist is your enemy, not China.
 
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