US tracking suspected Chinese surveillance balloon - Feds afraid of popping Xi's big red balloon

"The US has been monitoring a suspected Chinese surveillance balloon that has been spotted in the skies over the northern US this week.

Pentagon officials said in a briefing they are "confident that this high-altitude surveillance balloon" belongs to China.
US military chiefs have for now decided against blowing the alleged spy craft out of the sky, citing safety concerns.
US President Joe Biden has been briefed on the situation, said the Pentagon.
The balloon was over the western state of Montana on Wednesday, according to defence officials.
They added that US military leaders, including Defence Secretary Lloyd Austin and General Mark Milley, the chairman of the US Joint Chiefs of Staff, met on Wednesday to assess the threat. Mr Austin was travelling to the Philippines at the time.

The military commanders advised against taking "kinetic action" against the balloon because of the danger of debris falling to the ground.
A senior defence official speaking on condition of anonymity said there was no "significantly enhanced threat" of US intelligence being compromised because US officials "know exactly where this balloon is and exactly where it's passing over".
He added that there was no threat to civilian aviation either because the balloon is "significantly" above the altitude used by commercial airlines.
The senior defence official said the US has raised the matter with Chinese officials in their embassy in Washington DC and in Beijing.
The object flew over Alaska's Aleutian Islands and through Canada before appearing over the city of Billings, Montana, on Wednesday, officials say.

During Thursday's briefing at the Pentagon, officials declined to disclose the aircraft's current location. They also refused to provide more details of the object, including its size.

"There have been reports of pilots seeing this thing even though it's pretty high up in the sky," the unnamed defence official said.
"So you know, it's, it's sizable."
The official added that similar balloons have appeared in the skies over the US in the past few years.
But the current balloon "is appearing to hang out for a longer period of time" and has been "more persistent" than previous spy crafts.
It is unclear why it was seen in that particular region of the US. Billings is around 250 miles (400km) southwest of the Malmstrom Air Force Base, which is one of three US air bases that house the Minuteman III intercontinental ballistic missile.
Pentagon officials refused to confirm if the base was a surveillance target, but agreed "the current flight path does carry it over a number of sensitive sites".

The alleged spy craft confounded social media users in Montana on Wednesday.
People posted photos of a pale round object in the sky that floated separately from the moon. Others reported seeing US military planes in the area, apparently monitoring the object.
It also led to a two-hour ground stop at Billings Logan International Airport after aviation officials made the decision to close 50 sq miles of air space.
It comes ahead of US Secretary of State Antony Blinken's visit to China.
The top US diplomat will be in Beijing next week to hold talks on a wide range of issues, including security, Taiwan and Covid-19.
He will meet Chinese President Xi Jinping, the Financial Times newspaper reported on Thursday."
 
Yeah, noticed the journos asking to use it. Oddly haven't seen any more posts or stuff related to the video. The Twitter account just seems like a typical run of the mill older lady so I doubt she was "faking" it per se, but perhaps it was a meteor or something? Just odd with her also being in Montana. But then there was the news about it being in St. Louis. So something is definitely off. Is there more than one floating around?
Yeah there are multiple now, one over Latin America, one crossing the Canadian border south, one over Missouri
 
The Reddit sub for Montana has a thread from a few minutes ago stating explosion heard:
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SOURCE: https://www.reddit.com/r/Montana/comments/10t0lp8/explosion_of_billings/
ARCHIVE: https://archive.ph/hofQ5
 
From Forbes.

Busting That Chinese Spy Balloon Is Harder Than You Think

It may be too high to shoot down. Military aircraft fly at 65,000 feet; the balloon may be at 80,000 or as high as 120,000 feet.
Such balloons typically fly at 80,000 feet or more – NASA’s version cruises at 120,000 feet.. The U.S. Air Force’s F-15 Eagle and F-22 Raptor both have a stated operating altitude of around 65,000 feet. While they might be able to get close enough to fire a missile, the balloon may be too high for them to shoot.

It's filled with helium and could not explode like the hydrogen-filled Hindenburg.
When people think of military balloons they probably think of the WW1 German Zeppelin raids, and the balloon-busting biplane pilots who brought them crashing down in flames. The giant German airships were filled with highly flammable hydrogen gas, and could be ignited with a few bursts of incendiary bullets, creating an the same effect as the Hindenburg Disaster. However, in this case the balloon is filled with non-flammable helium rather than hydrogen.

It's kind of unpoppable.
The balloon envelope is made of plastic material no thicker than sandwich wrap, and the pressure difference between the inside and outside is small. Attempting to let the air out by punching a few holes is like expecting to ventilate an entire warehouse with fresh air by opening one small window.

Fighter jets have tried and failed to down such balloons before. A balloon took over 1,000 rounds of 20mm cannon fire and just kept drifting ...
We know that large balloons are hard to shoot down from previous experience. In 1998 a rogue Canadian weather balloon drifted towards Russian airspace. Fighter jets from Canada, Norway and Sweden attempted to bring it down without success. Two Canadian air force CF-18 fighters hit the balloon with more than 1,000 rounds of 20mm cannon fire off the coast of Newfoundland, riddling it with holes. This was not enough to let a significant amount of gas out, and the balloon continued drifting.

A missile fired at a balloon would pass through it and possibly endanger civilians.
A volley of 2.75” rockets was equally ineffective, as the high-explosive rockets simply flew though the balloon without detonating. This may be the Air Force’s real concern with intercepting the Chinese balloon: any missile fired at it may be a much greater hazard to civilians below than the balloon itself, which is likely to descend slowly if at all.

It's probably not helplessly drifting -- it's likely solar-powered and steerable.
New control algorithms and an understanding of stratospheric winds means they are steerable and can go anywhere at will, with solar panels providing indefinite flight duration.

The outcome I'm rooting for personally?
[A] failed attempt to bring it down would be a public relations disaster.
Jesus Christ it's unstoppable.

Wait, what if we just make our OWN balloon with a set of robot arms that will latch onto the balloon, deflate it and slowly tow it back down safely?
 
Demented Joe is saying the balloon is still up and videos showing the balloon exploding are fake. Kind of interesting because the original video and eyewitness reports didn't say anything about the balloon exploding, only there was an explosion over Billings. The governor of Montana was on Tucker and he says they are investigating the explosion.
 
Also they would never bomb that house. The intel alone was worth a raid and capturing him alive would have been a far bigger W than just bombing him and then being unable to confirm it was him...
They would never drone strike that house because it was in Abbottabad, its RIGHT next to the Military Academy for Pakistan, and its where all of the high ranking generals retire to. Just imagine the freak out that would occur if someone did a terrorist action right next to West Point, that Obama of all people nutted up and authorized the raid is the most astonishing thing ever.
 
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