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President Joe Biden on Tuesday said that the United States will impose sanctions “far beyond” the ones that the United States imposed in 2014 following the annexation of the Crimean peninsula.

“This is the beginning of a Russian invasion of Ukraine,” Biden said in a White House speech, signaling a shift in his administration’s position. “We will continue to escalate sanctions if Russia escalates,” he added.

Russian elites and their family members will also soon face sanctions, Biden said, adding that “Russia will pay an even steeper price” if Moscow decides to push forward into Ukraine. Two Russian banks and Russian sovereign debt will also be sanctioned, he said.

Also in his speech, Biden said he would send more U.S. troops to the Baltic states as a defensive measure to strengthen NATO’s position in the area.

Russia shares a border with Estonia, Latvia, and Lithuania.

A day earlier, Russian President Vladimir Putin ordered troops to go into the separatist Donetsk and Lugansk regions in eastern Ukraine after a lengthy speech in which he recognized the two regions’ independence.

Western powers decried the move and began to slap sanctions on certain Russian individuals, while Germany announced it would halt plans to go ahead with the Russia-to-Germany Nord Stream 2 pipeline.

At home, Biden is facing bipartisan pressure to take more extensive actions against Russia following Putin’s decision. However, a recent poll showed that a majority of Americans believe that sending troops to Ukraine is a “bad idea,” and a slim minority believes it’s a good one.

All 27 European Union countries unanimously agreed on an initial list of sanctions targeting Russian authorities, said French Foreign Minister Jean-Yves Le Drian, and EU foreign affairs head Josep Borell claimed the package “will hurt Russia … a lot.”

Earlier Tuesday, Borell asserted that Russian troops have already entered the Donbas region, which comprises Donetsk and Lugansk, which are under the control of pro-Russia groups since 2014.

And on Tuesday, the Russian Parliament approved a Putin-back plan to use military force outside of Russia’s borders as Putin further said that Russia confirmed it would recognize the expanded borders of Lugansk and Donetsk.

“We recognized the states,” the Russian president said. “That means we recognized all of their fundamental documents, including the constitution, where it is written that their [borders] are the territories at the time the two regions were part of Ukraine.”

Speaking to reporters on Tuesday, Putin said that Ukraine is “not interested in peaceful solutions” and that “every day, they are amassing troops in the Donbas.”

Meanwhile, Ukraine President Volodymyr Zelensky on Tuesday morning again downplayed the prospect of a Russian invasion and proclaimed: “There will be no war.”

“There will not be an all-out war against Ukraine, and there will not be a broad escalation from Russia. If there is, then we will put Ukraine on a war footing,” he said in a televised address.

The White House began to signal that they would shift their own position on whether it’s the start of an invasion.

“We think this is, yes, the beginning of an invasion, Russia’s latest invasion into Ukraine,” said Jon Finer, the White House deputy national security adviser in public remarks. “An invasion is an invasion and that is what is underway.”

For weeks, Western governments have been claiming Moscow would invade its neighbor after Russia gathered some 150,000 troops along the countries’ borders. They alleged that the Kremlin would attempt to come up with a pretext to attack, while some officials on Monday said Putin’s speech recognizing the two regions was just that.

But Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin told reporters Tuesday that Russia’s “latest invasion” of Ukraine is threatening stability in the region, but he asserted that Putin can “still avoid a full blown, tragic war of choice.”

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[870EVO]

Woah. It's almost like Russia is just a Jewish puppet state and has been for almost a century. Yet you dumb goys suck the cut cock because "woah this heckin jew slav mongoloid said YWNBAW better be slaves to them!". You retards are slaves without collars convincing yourself you are free through contrarian delusion. You retards would be sucking Biden and Shwabs cocks if they turned around and bashed trannies and niggers because it owns le globalist all while Biden continues raping kids and Schwab feeds you bugs.

Hopefully unlike Haiti and the US emancipation includes rightfully extermination of slaves.

I agree pretty much every country in the world is beholden to the major banks which jewish families own. But it's just something you have to do to get ahead. Those are just the rules.

 

[WhiteNight]

Russia considers globalism its enemy. The "eat bugs, own nothing, and be happy" crowd. The US happens to be the largest proponent of that ideology, but it's important to see the difference. Many of us would argue the US shouldn't be the GLOBOHOMO capital of the world and that maybe this one world government bullshit should fuck right off.

Regardless of what Russiaboo poltards say, Putin does not give one shit about globohomo or the eat-bug crowd or any stupid American culture war crap or "ideology". He is acting on behalf of his own interests and those of his inner circle of mob bosses they call a government. Indeed, to the extent that globalism means free trade for selling Russia's natural resources, I'm sure he's a big fan.

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Amusing that they helpfully subtitle "[Russians]" instead of "orcs".

 

[GatorAids]

I agree pretty much every country in the world is beholden to the major banks which jewish families own. But it's just something you have to do to get ahead. Those are just the rules.

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Good soon you'll be having dangerous revelations like "There are no national governments, all governments coalesced into a one world government almost a century ago", and "Almost all conflicts within the modern age are either this one world government infighting or a trick to distract you" or my favorite "The habsburgs".

 

[870EVO]

Good soon you'll be having dangerous revelations like "There are no national governments, all governments coalesced into a one world government almost a century ago", and "Almost all conflicts within the modern age are either this one world government infighting or a trick to distract you" or my favorite "The habsburgs".

I think you are making gross oversimplifications there though. I don't think the world can be simplified that much.

 

[Astro Galactic Megalul]

Don't remember this being posted before, but it's a damn good interview with a perspective of a foreign volunteer

 

[Elwood P. Dowd]

When It Comes to Building Its Own Defense, Europe Has Blinked​

NYTimes / https://archive.ph/x9R65

Despite expectations that Russia’s invasion of Ukraine would force Europe to bolster its military strength, it has instead reinforced dependency on U.S. leadership, intelligence and might.

Spoiler: article text

BRUSSELS — Russia’s invasion of Ukraine is the greatest challenge to European security since the end of the Cold War, but the Europeans have missed the opportunity to step up their own defense, diplomats and experts say. Instead, the war has reinforced Europe’s military dependence on the United States.

Ukrainian soldiers with an American-made M777 howitzer last year in the Donetsk region.Credit...Ivor Prickett for The New York Times

Washington, they note, has led the response to the war, marshaled allies, organized military aid to Ukraine and contributed by far the largest amount of military equipment and intelligence to Ukraine. It has decided at each step what kind of weapons Kyiv will receive and what it will not.

Its indispensable role was manifest in the recent decision to provide Leopard tanks to Ukraine and allow others to do so — a step Chancellor Olaf Scholz of Germany refused to take, despite strong pressure from Poland and Britain, unless the United States provided some of its own modern tanks.

American leadership “has almost been too successful for its own good, leaving Europeans with no incentive to develop leadership on their own,” said Liana Fix, a German analyst with the Council on Foreign Relations in Washington.

“The perception is that there is no real leader in the European Union and the U.S. is doing helicopter parenting with Brussels,” she said. “This is a problem that can come back to haunt the U.S.”

And the Europeans, too.

President Biden announcing his plan to send M1 Abrams tanks to Ukraine last month in Washington.Credit...Doug Mills/The New York Times discussing in detail the size of Cornpop's ("He was one mean dude") penis.

European Union leaders visited the Ukrainian capital, Kyiv, on Friday, but offered President Volodymyr Zelensky little more than promises that his embattled country might join the bloc someday.

In the meantime, the European Union has responded to the invasion with economic sanctions against Russia, significant financial aid and a fund — now at 3.6 billion euros, or about $3.9 billion — to repay member states for their military contributions to Ukraine. Total military contributions to Ukraine from member states is estimated at €12 billion, and overall assistance at nearly €50 billion.

But the goal of President Emmanuel Macron of France for “strategic autonomy” — for the European Union to become a military power that could act independently of the United States, if complementary to it — has proved hollow.

In large part, diplomats and experts say, that is because European nations disagree sharply among themselves about how the war should end and even about their relationship with Russia and its president, Vladimir V. Putin, both now and in the future.

It is impossible to have a real European defense without a coherent European foreign policy, suggested Charles A. Kupchan, a former Obama administration official and a professor of international studies at Georgetown University. The Ukraine war cuts both ways, he said, prompting a new unity among Europeans, but also new cracks.

“There is very little appetite for autonomy if that means distance from the United States,” he said, “because the war has underscored the importance of the American military presence in Europe and the guarantee it extended to European allies since World War II.”

Central and Eastern Europeans, along with the Baltic nations and Britain, have always mistrusted promises of an autonomous European defense and have worked to keep the United States engaged in European security and in the NATO alliance.

For them, the American nuclear umbrella is considered indispensable to deter a Russia they saw as more of a threat than did other allies like Germany, France, Spain and Italy, especially since the Russian annexation of Crimea in 2014.

Empty containers for shoulder-fired, American-made Javelin antitank missiles near the town of Horenka, Ukraine, last year.Credit...Lynsey Addario for The New York Times

Whether Washington laments it or not, given its desire to pivot toward China, Mr. Kupchan said, “this war extends the shelf-life of the American military presence in Europe for a long time to come.”

Anders Fogh Rasmussen, a former NATO secretary general who has proposed a plan to bolster Ukraine’s security against Russia, said that Mr. Macron “has undermined his own idea of European autonomy” by “his statements and behavior when it comes to Putin,” arguing that a new European security order must include Russia and that Mr. Putin must not be humiliated.

That “created suspicion in Eastern Europe and made it more or less impossible for Macron to create momentum behind his idea of European autonomy,” Mr. Rasmussen said.
So long as Europe’s major powers “cannot agree on a common approach to Russia, then the rest of the crowd will look across the Atlantic and look for security guarantees from the United States,” he added.
The European dream was always to have two major collective pillars, one fiscal and one defense, said Guntram Wolff, the director of the German Council on Foreign Relations. Germany would anchor the first and France the second.
“But the Ukraine war was a big game-changer for European security,” he said, “and Central and Eastern Europeans immediately understood that they need the U.S. for their security, and Germany quickly decided the same.”
Despite a promise by Mr. Scholz, the German chancellor, for a “Zeitenwende,” or a turning point in German security policy, details were lacking.

Now it turns out the €100 billion set aside to rebuild the paltry post-Cold War German military will be spread out over the life of the Parliament. Bureaucracy has made it difficult to start spending the money, and the government failed to get the German defense industry moving.

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From left: Mario Draghi, then the prime minister of Italy, President Emmanuel Macron of France and Chancellor Olaf Scholz of Germany traveling to Ukraine last year. Diplomats and experts say that the idea of “strategic autonomy” for Europe is failing in part because of disagreements between European leaders.Credit...Getty Images, via Bundesregierung

Rheinmetall, a German arms manufacturer, makes the Leopard tank and has about 200 in storage, and it says it needs up to a year to refurbish them for Ukraine. But Germany could have easily paid the company to get the tanks ready 12 months ago, even for its own military.
“Germany already wasted a year,” Mr. Wolff said.
European countries have tried to catch up with needed defense investment, but in a national and fragmented way, not coordinated by Brussels. That inevitably meant buying off-the-shelf, which mostly meant American weaponry, not European.

Germany annoyed France by immediately buying American F-35 fighter planes, rather than buying European or even waiting for a long-delayed Franco-German-Spanish jet project, the Future Combat Air System, itself in competition with a proposed British-Italian-Japanese one. But neither project expects to have a working fighter until 2035 or 2040.

Similarly, worried about its vulnerability to Russian nuclear-capable, medium-range missiles in Kaliningrad, Berlin shocked Paris by proposing a “European Sky Shield Initiative,” an air and missile defense system, in cooperation with 13 NATO allies and Finland, and later Sweden, too, that would primarily use existing American and Israeli technology, not a European design.

France was not one of the countries involved, and as a sign of displeasure, it postponed an annual Franco-German government meeting.

“In the long run, decisions like these increase European dependence on the United States,” said Ms. Fix, the analyst. “People are placing their bets now on NATO and the U.S., and on equipment that’s already there.”

The fact that Mr. Scholz relented on providing tanks to Ukraine only with the Americans stung in Europe. “It shows that Europeans in the end don’t trust one another, and for Central and Eastern Europeans, trust and credibility is gone,” she said.

At the same time, Ms. Fix said, both Germany and France think the Central and Eastern Europeans underestimate the risk of Russian escalation and need Washington to restrain them. “So everyone is looking to Washington as the main arbiter,” she said, “and not to one another.”

Mr. Macron and Mr. Scholz, whose relations are said to be frosty, have failed to provide necessary leadership, separately or together, analysts said.

France missed an opportunity to “show what strategic autonomy is or could be,” said Bart Szewczyk, a former Obama administration official now with the German Marshall Fund. “Under the surface of the slogan,” he said, “there was not much there in terms of resources or deployment or even in intellectual leadership.”

When it came to reducing dependence on Russian energy imports, Europeans took a big economic hit, quickly built liquefied natural gas terminals, overrode regulations, imposed sanctions and agreed on a price cap for Russian oil. Defense was a different story.

“On security and defense, it has lost credibility,” Ms. Fix said. “France could have used this war an opportunity to invest big into Ukraine and Central Europe and say, ‘You can really rely on us,’ but that didn’t happen.”

Instead, both Paris and Berlin hesitated, hoping for a short war, which this one is shaping up not to be.

For some time to come, then, “strategic autonomy is dead,” Ms. Fix said, “and the French don’t like this at all.”

 

[Snekposter]

Leaving aside the lack of potential sales from poor performance, seems like Russia is at risk of non-delivery for goods, including repair and maintenance contracts. Hope nobody in CSTO was reliant on Russia for maintaining their- oh, I can't finish this sentence with a straight face.

 

[Vince McMahon]

Okay fine. But why is the USA responsible for their freedom to do stupid slav shit? Why can't I file it under not my fucking problem, I don't live in shitty-ass Ukraine and don't want anything to do with their retarded power struggle.

Somehow the American taxpayer is still on the hook for it though huh?

Because otherwise the capital class will use the freed-up work resource to increase profit margins (by paying Ukrainians less, especially those who are incapable of integration) and then you'll bitch on KiwiFarms about those stupid ass Ukies taking your job, while you live on a dole.

If you don't want another wave of immigrants, support Ukraine and support anti-corruption measures that will make all sorts of brown people go to Ukraine, rather than to the US.

 

[Unarmed Gunman]

If you drag the discussion down long enough, it comes down to imperial spheres of influence.

Yes exactly. And the argument is we need more imperial spheres of influence, not fewer. Competition is good. What exactly is the advantage to everyone falling under the direct control of the same international group of predators?

this heckin jew slav mongoloid

Give Zelenskyy a break, he was dealt a shit hand. He is a bit of a caricature though isn't he?

I do enjoy a good skitzocow

You're missing the point. It doesn't matter if you agree with the ideology, the point is that is part of the ideology. They've been very clear who the fight is against. We don't have to cheer for Russia to take over the world (I certainly wouldn't), the goal should be for multiple spheres of influence to balance each other out so we're not all prey for the same group of globalists. Because the globalists have made it abundtantly clear what their goal is for you and I.

He is acting on behalf of his own interests

No shit. And it's in our own interests to not all be under one globalist thumb. We need a multipolar world very soon or we are all truly fucked.

 

[IAmNotAlpharius]

Right, that weakened their control over the colonies allowing the independence movements to flourish. Kind of unfortunate most of those countries never really succeeded in establishing democratic governments like the US.

I still think it’s funny how many of the loyalists were indigenous people… because the empire offered a check against the criollos.

At least in video games we can pretend the Russians are still competent.

I doubt there are any American soldiers over there fighting in Ukraine. That's just dumb shit spread by Russian propaganda and vatnigger retards.

That’s part of the reason I don’t mind escalating by giving Ukraine better stuff because according to them we’re already putting boots on the ground and fighting them. If they haven’t done Jack shit when we’re supposedly putting boots on the ground they’re not going to do anything when we give Ukraine better toys.

 

[Blatant hypocrite]

You're missing the point. It doesn't matter if you agree with the ideology, the point is that is part of the ideology. They've been very clear who the fight is against. We don't have to cheer for Russia to take over the world (I certainly wouldn't), the goal should be for multiple spheres of influence to balance each other out so we're not all prey for the same group of globalists. Because the globalists have made it abundtantly clear what their goal is for you and I.

No, that means you didn't read Dugin. You scrolled through pages of schizophrenic rambling to find the bit where he says something banal like "patriotism is good". Then, because you childishly believe that all men are fully good or evil, you judge that he must be one of the good ones.

You don't truly understand anything, and you're trying to view it through the lens of internet debate-slapfights. Your view of the world has been poisoned by social media, to the point where you view all conflicts as an extension of American culture wars.

And because of that, you'll accept the alternative no matter how insane.

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Article tax:

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/ukraine-news-russia-war-putin-b2275175.html

https://archive.ph/MKlXC

Note that the figure includes military, Wagner, DNR/LNR and wounded.

Ukraine news – live: Putin has lost nearly 200,000 troops in war, US officials say

Russian death toll includes regular military and Wagner Group mercenaries, says US

Russian troops who have either died or were left wounded in the continuing war in Ukraine is nearing 200,000, according to the US and Western officials.
Senior US officials and Western diplomats said the number has climbed above the 100,000 figure given in November last year, The New York Times reported.
This week, senior US officials said they believed the number for Russia was closer to 200,000, according to the report.
This comes as Vladimir Putin marked the 80th anniversary of the Soviet victory over Nazi forces in the battle of Stalingrad, and invoked the battle as justification for the conflict in Ukraine.
Mr Putin evoked the spirit of the Soviet army that defeated Nazi German forces at Stalingrad 80 years ago to declare that Russia will defeat Ukraine.
Lambasting Germany for helping to arm Ukraine, he said: “Unfortunately we see that the ideology of Nazism in its modern form and manifestation again directly threatens the security of our country.

 

[AgendaPoster]

Yes exactly. And the argument is we need more imperial spheres of influence, not fewer. Competition is good. What exactly is the advantage to everyone falling under the direct control of the same international group of predators?
No shit. And it's in our own interests to not all be under one globalist thumb. We need a multipolar world very soon or we are all truly fucked.

"It's in America's best interest to lose influence in East Europe. I am an American. I love America very much! We should make sure to preserve a sphere of influence for Russia and China and the existence of Mongol children."

 

[Unarmed Gunman]

No, that means you didn't read Dugin.

That's a retarded take. His entire thesis regarding the fourth political theory is that each nation/peoples should have their own path, taking bits and pieces of the other three and meshing them together in a nationalist version that works for them.

And you're still missing the point. It doesn't matter if you agree with that theory as a viable solution, it is a fact that this is a motivating philosophy in modern Russia. It is the prevailing attempt at saving themselves from falling under CONSOOOOOMER mindset that we push in the west. And it also doesn't automatically make them the good guys. But it is better to have a balance of power, then to have everyone under one thumb.

I notice you can't argue against that point, so you ignore it.

blah blah blah

Troll Harder, nobody who criticizes America lives here of course. Next time, I turn it sideways to see if that helps. Meanwhile in Ukraine, Americanism spreads...

 

[AgendaPoster]

Troll Harder, nobody who criticizes America lives here of course. Next time, I turn it sideways to see if that helps. Meanwhile in Ukraine, Americanism spreads...

Ah, the classic.
Ukraine has some faggots doing faggy shit, enabled by Western money.
Hence, it is of the utmost importance that Russia invades it and cleanses it of faggotry, mega based.
But wait.
If Americanism is the issue and fags are what Russia hates...
... why not invade the US, and bust open San Francisco's pozzedhole? Why not invade Amsterdam? Why not invade any of the Western countries recognizing gay marriage?
Why take on Ukraine, one of the most hardcore anti-progressive nations on the planet?

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Congrats Russia, you're more oppressive of gays than Ukraine!
Here's a nice cookie that you can pride yourself with, as you're still an invader and a shitty vatnik infested place, even if you don't like gays.

 

[870EVO]

Ah, the classic.
Ukraine has some faggots doing faggy shit, enabled by Western money.
Hence, it is of the utmost importance that Russia invades it and cleanses it of faggotry, mega based.

I don't think anyone sane wanted Russia to invade Ukraine. But from the comments of members of the EU Council and Nuland, it seems clear to me the plan was always to topple Putin. The invasion was just a good excuse. We've all seen the NATO line move East towards Russia. Something was bound to happen at some point. And I'm sure the Think Tanks sent the papers to all the politicians saying this was going to be the case. They all knew what they were doing. The Russian Invasion didn't just fall out of the sky.

 

[Blatant hypocrite]

It doesn't matter if you agree with that theory as a viable solution, it is a fact that this is a motivating philosophy in modern Russia. It is the prevailing attempt at saving themselves from falling under CONSOOOOOMER mindset that we push in the west.

This is precisely what I mean, because he said one thing you agree with, you defend the entirety of his work as if it were the one thing.

Tell me, if you've really understood his work (presumably), why does it matter that Angels are vertical and mankind is horizontal? On what basis does he say that National-Bolshevism is the only viable form of government? Is he right or wrong that the events in The Book of Revelations are simultaneously happening and have already happened?

Is there a single one of his writings that isn't contaminated with spiritual and metaphysical sperging? Most people in this thread treat Russia as a country that's motivated by normal things like wealth and power. You claim that Dugin's works are important to the Russian style of governance, as if that's a good thing.

I don't think anyone sane wanted Russia to invade Ukraine. But from the comments of members of the EU Council and Nuland, it seems clear to me the plan was always to topple Putin.

It's no secret that the West doesn't like Putin one bit, but was willing to tolerate him (somewhat) in exchange for gas and peace.

It's very much the case that the invasion was a costly mistake. If it hadn't happened, I think many of us would still see him as a cunning leader who knows what he's doing, even if he's not on our side.

 

[AgendaPoster]

I don't think anyone sane wanted Russia to invade Ukraine. But from the comments of members of the EU Council and Nuland, it seems clear to me the plan was always to topple Putin. The invasion was just a good excuse. We've all seen the NATO line move East towards Russia. Something was bound to happen at some point. And I'm sure the Think Tanks sent the papers to all the politicians saying this was going to be the case. They all knew what they were doing. The Russian Invasion didn't just fall out of the sky.

JFC dude he's been in power for DECADES lmao.
Nobody wanted to topple maybe outside some spergy neocons.
Why not seethe against his constitutional fuckery so he can extend his power like a shitty emperor?
It's all Russia's fault that it has NOTHING to offer but war to us in East Europe. We have willingly associate with the West and against Russia.
What does Russia want, rape and non-consensual influence?
Fine, we'll have war lmao, and we will see who wins. Even if Russia takes Ukraine in full, this ain't over. This will extend over decades until either Russia is pacified or the West collapses.

 

[870EVO]

Why not seethe against his constitutional fuckery so he can extend his power like a shitty emperor?

The people in power don't give a crap about morals or helping people. The US spent 20 years in Afghanistan, and then did a clusterfuck pullout that killed dozens of people that left millions of dollars of equipment behind to help the Taliban subjugate the population after they were gone. The US Government has never been about being world police.

The US achieved the economic goals it was asked for in Afghanistan by the corporate donors to the political class. The Taliban agreed to protect those economic interests, so they got the fuck out. The US Government doesn't give a crap about the population.

 

[MS Paint Gigachad]

On the contrary: the west probably wants Putin to stay in power. A nice, friendly, obedient Putin maybe, but still, russia under one guy. They still want russian grain and gas, and it's not like the worlds 3rd biggest arms stockpile (even disregarding nukes, theyll have anti tank weapons; at the very least a quarter-million AKs) falling into various factionalist warlords hands is something we want.

 

[CAPTAIN HAPPY]

plan was always to topple Putin. The invasion was just a good excuse.

This has been gone over a million times. The main powers in the West, mainly Germany and France, though less so America and UK, they don't want Russia to crack up. They remember the total chaos fuck that was the fall of the Soviets, nobody wants to deal with that shit ever again, especially with a nut sack like Khadyrov around and plenty of nukes that can just dissapear into thin air. Not to mention the loss of trade deals and shit, especially child porn and human trafficking lol

We've all seen the NATO line move East towards Russia.

Solely because the East wants NATO to be there. I've asked every single vatniktoid I ever could to show me one country that was forced into NATO without having a vote for it. Never got an answer. Russia is so fucking shit that its neighbors will sell their military to America for protection lol

The Russian Invasion didn't just fall out of the sky.

It kinda did. Even when Russia was lining out its troops, a lot of people did not want to believe Putin would actually invade. Then the nigger crazy man actually did it.