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I wouldn't want to play against the man either, as I would then be forced to encounter the smell.
Jaron Seth Bloshinsky / Jazz Jennings / I Am Jazz - Puberty Blockers: Not Even Once
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You do realize that pills aren't the only form of hormonal birth control, right? IUDs, shots, implants. etc. exist and can have different side effects. Breast growth, cystic acne, hell, you might just stop having periods.
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Seeing that Jazz loves squatting now that he has a fauxgina brought to mind some larger questions:
Has any troon ever honestly described what life is like after an amhole installation? Are they forever in pain? Is the area numb? is penetrative sex even actually possible? Have any men who have breached the fauxgina described the experience?
Obviously the social pressure for them to lie is immense, but it would be interesting to hear a true account for once, instead of cope.
Has any troon ever honestly described what life is like after an amhole installation? Are they forever in pain? Is the area numb? is penetrative sex even actually possible? Have any men who have breached the fauxgina described the experience?
Obviously the social pressure for them to lie is immense, but it would be interesting to hear a true account for once, instead of cope.
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I doubt there’s a One size fits all kinda result, given how different the different surgeries are, and the many variables during surgery like nerve healing etc.
The inverted dick dudes might have some sensation if they’re lucky and everything goes right. The other ones? Probably not. But an interesting question.
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And from what I've seen, those who do share are mostly detransitioners or cope posting about complications post surgery.
We don't really get a day to day look, particularly for those who appear to be at peace post surgery, and years later still.
I'd be fascinated to know, but I wouldn't trust them to answer honestly.
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I noticed that certain types of Pill would make girls grow moustaches, and Depo Provera always made their asses fat.
OT but something I also noticed is that sex with and for women who are not on the Pill is much better.
It's an amazing what you can do when you're on opioids 24/7.
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I don't actually think puberty blockers are the primary issue here. Just going by the studies and historical data we have, kids getting GnRH agonists and the existence of eunuchs castrated in their teens or earlier are not totally uncharted territory.
Decent rundown on historical eunuchs:
Long-Term Consequences of Castration in Men: Lessons from the Skoptzy and the Eunuchs of the Chinese and Ottoman Courts
Castration of men and males of other species was almost certainly the first experiment in endocrinology (if not in zoology), and the literature on the subject i
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Long-Term Consequences of Castration in Men: Lessons from the Skoptzy…
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If we exclude the people who were castrated as adults, the observed differences are pretty well described and consistent with what we know, but there is no mention anywhere of them being especially emotionally unstable or retarded. Conversely, they were frequently high ranking and powerful, did excellent work, and extremely prized as servants. That's not conclusive, but I'd say it suggests that they were mostly cognitively intact. Giving children GnRH agonists is not exactly the same thing of course, but their use in precocious puberty is well known for the myriad of horrific side effects that came out later. However, I don't seem to recall diminished intellectual capacity being on that list. Depression and such, yes, but I don't know that it's possible to say that it's due to a direct cognitive side effect of the drug rather than a secondary result of dealing with the nasty life-limiting physical effects, not to mention they just go to the doctor more, where everyone and their uncle end up with a questionable psych diagnosis nowadays anyway.
To be clear I'm in no way defending the practice of castrating or transing children, and I know fully well that doing so would certainly not have done Jazz or anyone else any favors in terms of intelligence or emotional maturity. I also know that shitting up a kid's stunted endocrine system with cross-sex hormones is not something we have any data on either way. All I'm suggesting is that it doesn't flip a switch that makes you binge eat a 100 lbs weight gain and turn into a retard who needs to sleep 14 hours a day. A suddenly increased or newly introduced high dose of dirty antipsychotics, however, is highly likely to do all of those things. The type that one might be given after a suicide attempt, for example. Of course, if Jeanette hadn't transed Jazz and deliberately sabotaged his emotional development by smothering her and working to convince her she has all kinds of "mental health problems" until some actually manifested, and hadn't fucking transed him for international attention, etc then a chemical lobotomy probably wouldn't be necessary, so it's not like the root cause isn't exactly what we figured.
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No need to be aggressive, I know someone who tore 5 ligaments in their foot from a fat retard falling on them during sports, out of clumsiness. Granted, that's just obesity, not sex based differences for ya.
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Gosh, no, never realized that.
Fair enough, pardon my imprecision (forgot I was in autist land). Bcp typically have the most side effects after Depo and the patch; I was skewing to a) the most common form of hormonal birth control in the US, b) the one with the longest history, and c) the form most widely complained about/used as an excuse to use nothing.
Plus, to be grammatically autistic myself, when the discussion is about "taking" hormones for birth control, that typically suggests orally ingesting or injecting them rather than something passive. Jazz said "taking estrogen"; you referred to "taking" "Some forms of contraceptive (i.e. the hormonal ones)." Speaking casually, most people don't refer to having an IUD as "taking" hormones, but that's not a central point and doesn't move the needle.
I was making the point that for most people, the side effects of taking hormones for birth control aren't that big a deal, and in today's world they are very relatively low in hormones (and thus less likely to have moderate or severe side effects than historically; historical information is part of why there's a casual/uninformed ready-made pretense of a reason not to be responsible with your fertility and pregnancy prevention).
Most side effects also ebb over time. And, as mentioned, much more common than acquiring cystic acne is relief from it and other forms of acne. And some of the supposed side effects have not been shown to have a causal relationship at all.
(just an overview but with some relevant discussion)
As for stopping periods (mostly a progesterone-only pill side effect, and actually relatively rare) - so what? They come back. Many people take estrogen/progesterone bcp continuously for months or without end, with the specific purpose to reduce/eliminate periods altogether. This is okay to do. It's only [speaking in generalities; please don't bother to pubmed me] an issue if there's something with your body/fertility that's off to begin with. But this is a side point.
All that aside, your reference to multiple hormonal options underscores another point: for women, there are now many forms of hormonal birth control to use, and if one gives you minor side effects that annoy you, there are others.
In short, as I said, hormonal birth control has benefits for most women that far exceed the typically minor and temporary negative side effects (if any) and potentially offers some additional positive effects for a subset of that population.
Barring individual cases where no hormonal options are tolerable (either due to imagined negative side effects, unique body chemistry/preexisting conditions, or very low tolerance for any adjustment period whatsoever), hormonal birth control benefits vastly outweigh potential negatives.
Plus, to be grammatically autistic myself, when the discussion is about "taking" hormones for birth control, that typically suggests orally ingesting or injecting them rather than something passive. Jazz said "taking estrogen"; you referred to "taking" "Some forms of contraceptive (i.e. the hormonal ones)." Speaking casually, most people don't refer to having an IUD as "taking" hormones, but that's not a central point and doesn't move the needle.
I was making the point that for most people, the side effects of taking hormones for birth control aren't that big a deal, and in today's world they are very relatively low in hormones (and thus less likely to have moderate or severe side effects than historically; historical information is part of why there's a casual/uninformed ready-made pretense of a reason not to be responsible with your fertility and pregnancy prevention).
Most side effects also ebb over time. And, as mentioned, much more common than acquiring cystic acne is relief from it and other forms of acne. And some of the supposed side effects have not been shown to have a causal relationship at all.
(just an overview but with some relevant discussion)
As for stopping periods (mostly a progesterone-only pill side effect, and actually relatively rare) - so what? They come back. Many people take estrogen/progesterone bcp continuously for months or without end, with the specific purpose to reduce/eliminate periods altogether. This is okay to do. It's only [speaking in generalities; please don't bother to pubmed me] an issue if there's something with your body/fertility that's off to begin with. But this is a side point.
All that aside, your reference to multiple hormonal options underscores another point: for women, there are now many forms of hormonal birth control to use, and if one gives you minor side effects that annoy you, there are others.
In short, as I said, hormonal birth control has benefits for most women that far exceed the typically minor and temporary negative side effects (if any) and potentially offers some additional positive effects for a subset of that population.
Barring individual cases where no hormonal options are tolerable (either due to imagined negative side effects, unique body chemistry/preexisting conditions, or very low tolerance for any adjustment period whatsoever), hormonal birth control benefits vastly outweigh potential negatives.
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He's already dangerous because of his weight. If he lands on a girl, she's fucked.
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Interesting. I wonder if puberty blockers have an affect on neuroplasticity?I don't actually think puberty blockers are the primary issue here. Just going by the studies and historical data we have, kids getting GnRH agonists and the existence of eunuchs castrated in their teens or earlier are not totally uncharted territory.
Decent rundown on historical eunuchs:
(not necessary reading, just for spergs who find this stuff interesting.)Long-Term Consequences of Castration in Men: Lessons from the Skoptzy and the Eunuchs of the Chinese and Ottoman Courts
Castration of men and males of other species was almost certainly the first experiment in endocrinology (if not in zoology), and the literature on the subject i
If we exclude the people who were castrated as adults, the observed differences are pretty well described and consistent with what we know, but there is no mention anywhere of them being especially emotionally unstable or retarded. Conversely, they were frequently high ranking and powerful, did excellent work, and extremely prized as servants. That's not conclusive, but I'd say it suggests that they were mostly cognitively intact. Giving children GnRH agonists is not exactly the same thing of course, but their use in precocious puberty is well known for the myriad of horrific side effects that came out later. However, I don't seem to recall diminished intellectual capacity being on that list. Depression and such, yes, but I don't know that it's possible to say that it's due to a direct cognitive side effect of the drug rather than a secondary result of dealing with the nasty life-limiting physical effects, not to mention they just go to the doctor more, where everyone and their uncle end up with a questionable psych diagnosis nowadays anyway.
To be clear I'm in no way defending the practice of castrating or transing children, and I know fully well that doing so would certainly not have done Jazz or anyone else any favors in terms of intelligence or emotional maturity. I also know that shitting up a kid's stunted endocrine system with cross-sex hormones is not something we have any data on either way. All I'm suggesting is that it doesn't flip a switch that makes you binge eat a 100 lbs weight gain and turn into a retard who needs to sleep 14 hours a day. A suddenly increased or newly introduced high dose of dirty antipsychotics, however, is highly likely to do all of those things. The type that one might be given after a suicide attempt, for example. Of course, if Jeanette hadn't transed Jazz and deliberately sabotaged his emotional development by smothering her and working to convince her she has all kinds of "mental health problems" until some actually manifested, and hadn't fucking transed him for international attention, etc then a chemical lobotomy probably wouldn't be necessary, so it's not like the root cause isn't exactly what we figured.
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I think it needs to be pointed out that having your balls cut off and becoming a eunuch isn’t anywhere the same thing as taking puberty suppressants.
Lupron in particular is an especially nasty drug that has been linked to numerous health issues, including damage to the nervous system.
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The good news is when jazz detransitions, he's fat enough for them to make him several flesh tube dongs.
I'm thinking too, that it would be awkward af to change and shower around Jazz. It's not Lia Thomas levels of walking around with a boner (according to accounts by his teammates), but it still would feel really.. weird. There are so many little 'tells' of bio sex that are unchanged by hormones (eg frame, even skin texture, smell), and it would be deeply unsettling to have to undress around Jazz being aware of them, when women just kind of naturally have an in-built feeling to be on alert around males.
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God damn, that’d be really weird! Not just because of his big, hulking male frame. (Dude is built like a brick shithouse!)
Imagine the stinkditch! The grossest part about those is how it’s always open. Literally like a fuck tunnel.
Jazz will bend over to pick something up or whatever and then you see it: The big, open gash/fuckhole they constructed on him.
(Shudders).
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Question! Is this why we have things like women's shooting competitions, too? Gun is gun.
I think the numerous physiological differences between the sexes are the justification across the board for segregation, too, even in the two Olympic sports where women outperform men (air rifle and ultramarathon)
Gun is gun but men's and women's skeletal structure etc is different. Sometimes this advantages women
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Sometimes it’s not just about physiological differences, but about access to sports and wanting to get more women interested in certain sports, often for monetary reasons or trying to build up female viewership.
If a certain sport has traditionally been very male dominated for whatever reason, if you have 1 female participant for every 100 male participants, obviously you will be proportionally seeing this many women playing at professional/televised levels. So you add a women’s category to eventually increase higher level female participation.
Elite archery competitions are a good example of this. There is no difference in female and male skill (it’s precision based rather than strength) but adding in a female only category allows for a better balance as the numbers of women taking part increase.
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I'm finally watching an episode of this train wreck.
First, lol fat.
But wow. The way he shakes on camera from discomfort, the way his family coddles him and basically says that they don't trust him to act as an adult and socialize alone because he's an anxious retard is astounding.
Jazz keeps lamenting that his mom is a "helicopter" mom but doesn't seem to realize how much of an idiot she must think he is to be that coddling. Or how his anxiety is directly related to her neurotic kid gloves.
The only thing that passes on him is his voice (on and off, if you thought of it as a girl whonstarted smoking at a young age), but that's sad when you realize that it's because his puberty was stunted and his body irreversibly damaged.
I love that in one scene, they show him having a breakdown and the camera pans to a picture of him while skinny as well as an entire buttload of medications lmao
Also fucking LOL at her mom "summoning arc angel michael" to figure out how to make jazz less depressed. I guess if you're gonna believe in some woo, might as well believe in it all
First, lol fat.
But wow. The way he shakes on camera from discomfort, the way his family coddles him and basically says that they don't trust him to act as an adult and socialize alone because he's an anxious retard is astounding.
Jazz keeps lamenting that his mom is a "helicopter" mom but doesn't seem to realize how much of an idiot she must think he is to be that coddling. Or how his anxiety is directly related to her neurotic kid gloves.
The only thing that passes on him is his voice (on and off, if you thought of it as a girl whonstarted smoking at a young age), but that's sad when you realize that it's because his puberty was stunted and his body irreversibly damaged.
I love that in one scene, they show him having a breakdown and the camera pans to a picture of him while skinny as well as an entire buttload of medications lmao
Also fucking LOL at her mom "summoning arc angel michael" to figure out how to make jazz less depressed. I guess if you're gonna believe in some woo, might as well believe in it all