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Random Internet Person said:
Not surprised really. Given that China seems to be the biggest challenge to American dominance on the world stage if they can get their way, just like Russia. That and the Winnie the Pooh memes that can be used.
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America is the biggest challenge to American dominance, if we stopped being a bunch of retards China wouldn't even be a blip in the world.
 
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Potatoherder said:
Russia was perfectly fine with ukraine until the US caused a coup. I am sure the US would just allow China to caused a coup and put a Chinese friendly government in mexico that allows china to open up military bases and bio weapon labs.
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What US military bases in Ukraine? And the "bio weapon labs" angle has never produced anything other than there being research laboratories and getting hyperbolic over it. Russia has plenty of bio-weapons of their own, let's not pretend they're the Innocents Near Abroad here.

Very horrible that the Russian-installed Russian-friendly government got ousted, in violation of Russia's natural right to set up puppet regimes.

870EVO said:
You have to put yourself in Russias shoes for a moment. The line of NATO for years was heading Eastward. Their buffer zone to NATO was being threatened. Then even the buffer zone in the Donbass started being threatened by the US funded government in Ukraine. If the buffer zone broke, US funded militants could easily find their way into Russia and start threatening their powerbase.

You can reasonably assume from the comments of the EU and Nuland now, likely the plan was always to eventually depose Putin by disrupting his powerbase and installing a US funded puppet. Likely Nalvany, since the former CIA director made direct reference to exactly that.
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Russia doesn't have a right to a buffer zone at the expense of their sovereign neighbors. Nor would there be any point to one if Russia just stopped playing little green men games in their near abroad. Russia remains a bully who bemoans the injustice of their victims trying to fight back. Russia needs a warm-water port? Lease terminal space and pay some tolls to truck your goods there, it'll be way cheaper than launching a (failed) war of conquest. Don't want to be invaded across your plains? Maintain good relationships with your neighbors that don't involve threats.

Why would the US fund militants who go into Russia, or set up a coup? It'd just result in a failed state that we'd be obligated to keep on life support, only huge in comparison to the ones we've had to deal with for the last ~50 years. Furthermore, why bother doing so through the Donbass instead of some other border or Vnukovo International Airport?

Again, the Russian narrative relies on a presumption that the US is forever leering greedily at the Gem on the Moskva, when the reality is that the US would rather not have to bother with Russia at all, except Russia keeps forcing the issue.
 
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Thomas Talus said:
Why would the US fund militants who go into Russia, or set up a coup? It'd just result in a failed state that we'd be obligated to keep on life support, only huge in comparison to the ones we've had to deal with for the last ~50 years. Furthermore, why bother doing so through the Donbass instead of some other border or Vnukovo International Airport?
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Haven't you seen that the US Government has sent $100 Billion to Ukraine in the past few months? It's obviously a US puppet regime. And their staging ground for infiltrating Russia.

The US government doesn't care what happens to the state or the population of Russia. The corporations will come in and make sure to extract the resources and money out of the country. All the deals you are alluding to that could be done would mean Russia would have to acquiesce to Western demands, and it's obvious Russia does not want to do that.
 
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Potatoherder said:
Russia was perfectly fine with ukraine until the US caused a coup. I am sure the US would just allow China to caused a coup and put a Chinese friendly government in mexico that allows china to open up military bases and bio weapon labs.
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Then novichok the politicians. Guess efficiency isn't in the vocabulary of retarded mongoloids. The whole "muh coup" thing is just a cope just like "muh referendum" since Russia sure isn't accepting of the results of previous referendums in oblasts when they voted to leave Russia. When's the Kaliningrad independence referendum? Oh of course those are dangerous color revolutions, but everything Russia does is 100% above board dude trust me.
 
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870EVO said:
Haven't you seen that the US Government has sent $100 Billion to Ukraine in the past few months? It's obviously a US puppet regime. And their staging ground for infiltrating Russia.

The US government doesn't care what happens to the state or the population of Russia. The corporations will come in and make sure to extract the resources and money out of the country. All the deals you are alluding to that could be done would mean Russia would have to acquiesce to Western demands, and it's obvious Russia does not want to do that.
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>2023 registration date, 5 days ago
>103 messages

Slow the fuck down, Redditor.

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Well /pol/ has gone all in embracing CHINA NUMBA ONE.


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Given the rest of Chinese ingenuity and their technological marvels, it wouldn't surprise me if there's 2 or 3 of them inside it, manning the balloon.
 
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870EVO said:
Haven't you seen that the US Government has sent $100 Billion to Ukraine in the past few months? It's obviously a US puppet regime. And their staging ground for infiltrating Russia.

The US government doesn't care what happens to the state or the population of Russia. The corporations will come in and make sure to extract the resources and money out of the country. All the deals you are alluding to that could be done would mean Russia would have to acquiesce to Western demands, and it's obvious Russia does not want to do that.
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The US sent $100 Billion (worth of stuff by certain kinds of accounting) to Ukraine because Russia invaded it, and the US doesn't want to deal with a destabilized Eastern Europe caused by Russian expansionism.

Leasing port space from a neighboring country that has the land which you don't is not "acquiescing to demands," nor is maintaining friendly relations with your neighbors. You are using the logic of a narcissistic burglar who thinks they have a right to everyone else's stuff.
 
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Thomas Talus said:
The US sent $100 Billion (worth of stuff by certain kinds of accounting) to Ukraine because Russia invaded it, and the US doesn't want to deal with a destabilized Eastern Europe caused by Russian expansionism.

Leasing port space from a neighboring country that has the land which you don't is not "acquiescing to demands," nor is maintaining friendly relations with your neighbors. You are using the logic of a narcissistic burglar who thinks they have a right to everyone else's stuff.
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Polticians are Narcisstic Burglars though.

And I think you have a different mindset to me. Let me lay it out for you from my perspective:

Putin was never that willing to do business with the West, and made minor concessions.
Russia and China recently created BRICS, an alternative to SWIFT. This is starting to threaten US Economic hedgemony and puts the US Dollar as the world reserve currency at risk.
The US needs to install a US friendly politician in Russia, to re-cement their Global hedgemony and ensure theirs no global multipolarity.
This resulted in the Maidan coup in Ukraine, where Nuland was recorded on call saying they needed to choose which politicians would take spots in the new Ukrainian government.
This new Ukraine government has been shelling the donbass region; more loyal to Russia. For years now.
Putin after waiting to see if US policy would change, eventually decided to retaliate.
The US media, beholden to the US government, obediently lost its shit, telling everyone Putin was about to invade the entirety of Europe.
The US Public believed all of it, despite the fact Russia is struggling just to simply take Ukraine.
 
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Thomas Talus said:
The US sent $100 Billion (worth of stuff by certain kinds of accounting) to Ukraine because Russia invaded it, and the US doesn't want to deal with a destabilized Eastern Europe caused by Russian expansionism.
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And the actions of NATO going near Ukraine isn’t a form of expansionism?

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I've stopped taking /pol/ seriously a long time ago.
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The one thing they’d love is a China/Russia tag team.

870EVO said:
Haven't you seen that the US Government has sent $100 Billion to Ukraine in the past few months? It's obviously a US puppet regime. And their staging ground for infiltrating Russia.
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I do know Zelensky is asking for more things like a spoiled child. And receiving them. As for infiltrating Russia, I doubt that.

870EVO said:
The US government doesn't care what happens to the state or the population of Russia. The corporations will come in and make sure to extract the resources and money out of the country. All the deals you are alluding to that could be done would mean Russia would have to acquiesce to Western demands, and it's obvious Russia does not want to do that.
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wasn’t that already done after the USSR crumbled?
 
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870EVO said:
Polticians are Narcisstic Burglars though.

And I think you have a different mindset to me. Let me lay it out for you from my perspective:

Putin was never that willing to do business with the West, and made minor concessions.
Russia and China recently created BRICS, an alternative to SWIFT. This is starting to threaten US Economic hedgemony and puts the US Dollar as the world reserve currency at risk.
The US needs to install a US friendly politician in Russia, to re-cement their Global hedgemony and ensure theirs no global multipolarity.
This resulted in the Maidan coup in Ukraine, where Nuland was recorded on call saying they needed to choose which politicians would take spots in the new Ukrainian government.
This new Ukraine government has been shelling the donbass region; more loyal to Russia. For years now.
Putin after waiting to see if US policy would change, eventually decided to retaliate.
The US media, beholden to the US government, obediently lost its shit, telling everyone Putin was about to invade the entirety of Europe.
The US Public believed all of it, despite the fact Russia is struggling just to simply take Ukraine.
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BRICS is only a threat to western economic hegemony if you're naive to an insane degree. It's just like the retards who say the Russians, chinks, Saudis, and Brazillians are totally gonna make a new alternative to the petrodollar using the Yuan or Ruble. Yeah I'm sure all those countries will agree to give up control of their monetary system to another country any time now. They're all just the bestest of buddies and trust eachother that much.

Also I would like to know why retards think Russia has the right to deny other countries the right to join alliances. Because they don't and Putin himself has said so before.
 
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870EVO said:
The US denys the rights of other countries all the time. It's just how the world works.
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No shit Sherlock. The difference is I'm not a dumb enough nigger to defend the US when it does that. Unlike vatniks who are just fine with it when Russia does it but throw a shitfit when the US does. How do you say "Rules for thee, but not for me" in Russian gookbabble?
 
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GatorAids said:
No shit Sherlock. The difference is I'm not a dumb enough nigger to defend the US when it does that. Unlike vatniks who are just fine with it when Russia does it but throw a shitfit when the US does. How do you say "Rules for thee, but not for me" in Russian gookbabble?
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I think you believe I'm taking a side. I'm just trying to explain the justifications for what everyone is doing. Because the media will just tell you it's because Putin is just Evil, and the US is just trying to help the poor people of Ukraine. Everyones an asshole, but they have to be assholes to get to the top of the pyramid. Otherwise bigger assholes will come along and take them out.
 
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