War Invasion of Ukraine News Megathread - Thread is only for articles and discussion of articles, general discussion thread is still in Happenings.

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President Joe Biden on Tuesday said that the United States will impose sanctions “far beyond” the ones that the United States imposed in 2014 following the annexation of the Crimean peninsula.

“This is the beginning of a Russian invasion of Ukraine,” Biden said in a White House speech, signaling a shift in his administration’s position. “We will continue to escalate sanctions if Russia escalates,” he added.

Russian elites and their family members will also soon face sanctions, Biden said, adding that “Russia will pay an even steeper price” if Moscow decides to push forward into Ukraine. Two Russian banks and Russian sovereign debt will also be sanctioned, he said.

Also in his speech, Biden said he would send more U.S. troops to the Baltic states as a defensive measure to strengthen NATO’s position in the area.

Russia shares a border with Estonia, Latvia, and Lithuania.

A day earlier, Russian President Vladimir Putin ordered troops to go into the separatist Donetsk and Lugansk regions in eastern Ukraine after a lengthy speech in which he recognized the two regions’ independence.

Western powers decried the move and began to slap sanctions on certain Russian individuals, while Germany announced it would halt plans to go ahead with the Russia-to-Germany Nord Stream 2 pipeline.

At home, Biden is facing bipartisan pressure to take more extensive actions against Russia following Putin’s decision. However, a recent poll showed that a majority of Americans believe that sending troops to Ukraine is a “bad idea,” and a slim minority believes it’s a good one.

All 27 European Union countries unanimously agreed on an initial list of sanctions targeting Russian authorities, said French Foreign Minister Jean-Yves Le Drian, and EU foreign affairs head Josep Borell claimed the package “will hurt Russia … a lot.”

Earlier Tuesday, Borell asserted that Russian troops have already entered the Donbas region, which comprises Donetsk and Lugansk, which are under the control of pro-Russia groups since 2014.

And on Tuesday, the Russian Parliament approved a Putin-back plan to use military force outside of Russia’s borders as Putin further said that Russia confirmed it would recognize the expanded borders of Lugansk and Donetsk.

“We recognized the states,” the Russian president said. “That means we recognized all of their fundamental documents, including the constitution, where it is written that their [borders] are the territories at the time the two regions were part of Ukraine.”

Speaking to reporters on Tuesday, Putin said that Ukraine is “not interested in peaceful solutions” and that “every day, they are amassing troops in the Donbas.”

Meanwhile, Ukraine President Volodymyr Zelensky on Tuesday morning again downplayed the prospect of a Russian invasion and proclaimed: “There will be no war.”

“There will not be an all-out war against Ukraine, and there will not be a broad escalation from Russia. If there is, then we will put Ukraine on a war footing,” he said in a televised address.

The White House began to signal that they would shift their own position on whether it’s the start of an invasion.

“We think this is, yes, the beginning of an invasion, Russia’s latest invasion into Ukraine,” said Jon Finer, the White House deputy national security adviser in public remarks. “An invasion is an invasion and that is what is underway.”

For weeks, Western governments have been claiming Moscow would invade its neighbor after Russia gathered some 150,000 troops along the countries’ borders. They alleged that the Kremlin would attempt to come up with a pretext to attack, while some officials on Monday said Putin’s speech recognizing the two regions was just that.

But Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin told reporters Tuesday that Russia’s “latest invasion” of Ukraine is threatening stability in the region, but he asserted that Putin can “still avoid a full blown, tragic war of choice.”

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May the motherfucker burn in hell, his buddies are already waiting.
Or you know, they read history. The same history showing a certain pattern to Russian actions where they continually try to do exactly that. Or maybe they listened to the shit the Russians themselves put out, where they state a desire to do exactly that. Also, I wonder why anyone in Eastern Europe would have that fear. It certainly wouldn't have anything to do with spending nearly half a century in recent history under the russian/soviet thumb and watching their nations wither in comparison to the rest of Europe.
Speaking of history, Russia still claims they never waged wars of conquest, claiming moral high ground as they point fingers at the West.
As if Muscovy wasn't busy conquering its neighbors following the collapse of Mongol rule. History is full of evidence to the contrary, they don't get to cherry pick-it.
 
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The fall of the Soviet Union was only a little more than 30 years ago. There are plenty of people who remember just what it was like suffering under their boot and how backward and impoverished their countries were due to Soviet exploitation.
Remember, it's not globohomo if you're sucking the ration officer's dick for an extra crust of bread, and you should be grateful for that.
 
Bolton is the latest of many public figures to fall victim to Vovan and Lexus, who previously managed to prank Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau, Turkish leader Recep Tayyip Erdogan, Polish President Andrzej Duda, the author of Harry Potter books J.K. Rowling, former US President George W. Bush and many other politicians and celebrities.
these motherfuckers be retarded and shiiiet nigga
Imagine not knowing about the Russia prank caller duo after all this lunacy, and sperging out on unsecured lines with unknown people.
We're lucky these idiots have not compromised themselves far further than this.
As for negotiations, Ukraine has nothing to offer now, so unless it decides to stop fighting, we should give it as many long range missiles as possible until it gains enough territory to negotiate.
What's to negotiate now? You tell me. What can Ukraine gain from negotiations?
If Russia takes over Ukraine (and/or other EE countries), they will probably run the place as Russians tend to do (corrupt, abusive, economically inefficient, shortages of necessities), and I would expect the Ukrainians (and/or other EE countries) remember how that felt and strongly desire to avoid that fate. Hence, why they want to be in NATO without need for compulsion by the US.
That's the least of the worries.
What they'll do is uproot people and send them to populate parts of Asian Russia, where they cannot become nationalistic.
They'll forbid Ukraine culture, nationalism, its symbols, its art, Russian will be the only language, and all attempts to regain an identity will be crushed.
All elites will be Russian. All bosses, Russian or pro-Russia. Media, propaganda, full pro-Russia. Cut from the West in full.
You can survive corruption and economic exploitation.
Ethnic destruction is an existential threat.
 
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Zelensky is a complete fucking dictator no different from Putin.
Remind me, how many terms did Zelensky serve? How many Putin? Out of the two countries, which had presidential elections in the past two decades where result wasn't predetermined? This is an asinine take.
If not for the war, Zelensky would've been replaced after a term or two, because that's how it's always been. Ukraine as a sovereign state didn't exist for long, but already had more presidents than Russia.

Whatever he's done during the war doesn't count, keep that in mind. When country is in the state of war, fighting a full-scale invasion, rules change - it's called "martial law" for a reason.
 
What is the advantage to having the entire world under one hyperpower?
What? No, that's horrible! It would be marked with gross excesses, it would be inefficient, corrupt, oppressive, everything really.
So...you want a unipolar world with one hyperpower fully controlled by globalists [...] ?
Did you pass reading comprehension on a sixth-grade level? Or are you merely pretending not to?

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Ukraine war: For all its political bluster, the invasion has shattered Russia's illusion of invincibility

There is a huge disparity between Russia's political bluster and its actual warfighting capability - its illusion of invincibility has been shattered.

By Sean Bell, military analyst

Ukraine is warning that a major Russian offensive is imminent – and that the next few months will be crucial in deciding the course of the war.

Whether this caution is justified or not, it's clear that the invasion has not gone according to plan and Moscow's archaic military tactics have been exposed.

Despite initially gaining traction, the Russian forces were pushed back and their efforts to secure full control of the entire Donbas area in eastern Ukraine stalled.

The Russians had not anticipated the courage and determination of Ukraine's resistance, or the enduring level of Western military support provided.

The Russian army has been badly mauled, and their air force has been conspicuous by its absence.

Despite Russia's impressive array of military capability - regularly displayed during massive parades - it has been unable to translate this equipment into battle-winning capability. A combination of systemic corruption, autocratic leadership and a reliance on 20th-century military tactics had created the illusion of Russian invincibility; this illusion has been shattered.

What next? Russia can generate more soldiers through mobilisation, but quantity does not equal quality. Although lessons will have been learned, the Russian forces have the same weapons, and thousands of inexperienced recruits, so how will they hope to turn the tide?

Modern battlefield success relies on teamwork - an all-arms approach. Russia needs its tanks, artillery, infantry, intelligence and air force operating coherently (21st-century warfare) where the Russian advantage of scale could prove decisive.

The alternative - throwing increasing numbers of inexperienced recruits as cannon fodder in the vain hope that mass will prevail (20th-century warfare) - will render them increasingly vulnerable to Ukrainian high-tech precision weapons; albeit Putin appears more concerned with securing his place in Russian history than the fate of his conscripts.

Although warships, tanks and fast-jets provide a very tangible and credible visual deterrent, the decisive measure of warfighting capability is how these military assets are employed, which requires intensive training - individually and collectively.

It is difficult, costly and time-consuming, but teamwork is vital to leverage the skills, experience, capabilities and intelligence of all available assets to create decisive capability. Western militaries train relentlessly in the joint environment - Russia clearly does not.

Although the Russian invasion of Ukraine has had - and will continue to have - dreadful consequences, it has served to highlight a huge disparity between Russia's political bluster and its actual warfighting capability.

A year ago Russia would have considered itself militarily a near-peer to the US; how events have conspired to expose the harsh truth behind the rhetoric.
 

New tanks, plus a Belgian business got Leopard 2s for 10k Euro and will sell them to Ukraine for 500k each. Hmmm.


Ah, the classic.
Ukraine has some faggots doing faggy shit, enabled by Western money.
Hence, it is of the utmost importance that Russia invades it and cleanses it of faggotry, mega based.
But wait.
If Americanism is the issue and fags are what Russia hates...
... why not invade the US, and bust open San Francisco's pozzedhole? Why not invade Amsterdam? Why not invade any of the Western countries recognizing gay marriage?
Why take on Ukraine, one of the most hardcore anti-progressive nations on the planet?
Congrats Russia, you're more oppressive of gays than Ukraine!
Here's a nice cookie that you can pride yourself with, as you're still an invader and a shitty vatnik infested place, even if you don't like gays.
The Russian Army is notoriously gay, whether raping of young conscripts by older conscripts or grandfathers or pimped out by officers. They might well want to invade Castro district in Frisco as that's their sort of thing.

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Leaving aside the lack of potential sales from poor performance, seems like Russia is at risk of non-delivery for goods, including repair and maintenance contracts. Hope nobody in CSTO was reliant on Russia for maintaining their- oh, I can't finish this sentence with a straight face.​

Ukraine was doing quite well selling T-80 and T-84s to Pakistan, Thailand and other places. Leonid Kuchma (I think or his predecessor Kravchuk) took the decision to keep the Kharkiv tank Works and Design Bureau open. Good tanks and maybe less strings attached than a direct Russian purchase, and these are Ukraine designs really. Ukraine also have had quite a successful industry servicing the MiG-29 for countries not wanting to be beholden to a grasping neighbor. Another quite successor industry involves post Soviet rocketry. The Neptune missile was perhaps or probably the nemesis of the Moskva, if it wasn't sunk by gross incompetence, as happened repeatedly to the carrier Kuznetzov (sunk maybe once, but a whole array of disasters, and Ukraine probably won't ask for it back again as Kravchuk did). Also, post war they could provide naval vessels for countries used to post Soviet stuff but don't want any Putin stink.
 
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New tanks, plus a Belgian business got Leopard 2s for 10k Euro and will sell them to Ukraine for 500k each. Hmmm.
They were sold for closer to 14k iirc, and the 500k includes some refurbishment. These things happen when you sell stuff off for scrap metal value with the retarded logic that you won't need tanks again.
 
500k for a tank is dirt fucking cheap as long as it's in running order and can fire modern ammo tbh. It's well outside the range of war profiteering.
A new Leopard is $7 million, so if the stuff is working it's fine. A few countries have passed fighting vehicles via third country or straw seller paper sales, so it should be helpful.

Drunkard and homosexual Medvedev awakens looking particularly rough, from his usual drunken coma and threatens Ukraine for things that have happened months ago.
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Dmitry Medvedev, Deputy Head of the Russian Security Council, has said that if Ukraine attacks Russian facilities in Crimea, Russia will allegedly "only retaliate".

Source: Medvedev, in a media interview, quoted by Kremlin-aligned news outlet RBC

Quote from Medvedev: "There will be no negotiations in this case, only retaliatory strikes. The whole of Ukraine remaining under Kyiv's rule will burn...

Our response may be anything. The president of Russia made this quite clear. We do not set ourselves any limits and, depending on the nature of the threats, we are ready to use all types of weapons.

In accordance with our doctrinal documents, including the Fundamentals of State Policy on Nuclear Deterrence."

Reference: According to clause 19 of the Fundamentals of the State Policy on Nuclear Deterrence, Russia may use nuclear weapons "in the event of aggression against Russia with the use of conventional weapons, when the very existence of the state is threatened."
Ukrainska Pravda

I always see this argument, and it represents short-term thinking. Russia is struggling now, but they have vast natural resources that could be redirected to a war economy. If they take Ukraine, they'll add its population, resources, and industry to theirs. Put it all together, and in 10 to 20 years they could build up a massive war machine right on the border of several countries they might decide belong to them. This invasion has demonstrated their attitude and their willingness to defy recognized international norms and borders to take what they want by force.

We know how much of Europe the Soviet Union dominated. There is no reason to think that empire could not be rebuilt, and then some.
The one basic lack for modern Russia is that they don't have the sheer numbers the Tsars or Soviet Commisars had for vast human wave conquest, the Russian steamroller of old. Empires normally need a ruddy demographics, which Russia lacks.
 
Russian soldier helpfully explains their new anti-drone jammers:
(there's video, but I'm having issues reposting them)
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Це нова траншейна продукція РФ «Пітон», «Гарпун», «Стриж», яку збивають наші безпілотники.

Отже, нова стратегія така: РЕБ мовчить, детектор чекає близького прольоту, потім РЕБ впритул пригнічує канал управління і ми втрачаємо дрон. Це антидронова рушниця з автоматичним розпізнаванням.

А ми ще шукаємо з повітря величезні РЕБ типу «Резидент», а російські РЕБ «їдуть» в окопи.

Це лише приклад того, що росіяни не стоять на місці у війні безпілотників, і нам теж потрібно відповідати однаково.

І цього я завжди боюся. У росіян сильний РЕБ і коли щось заводське йде в серію - це погано. Це не аліекспрес.
Translation:
"These are the new trench products of the Russian Federation such as "Python", "Garpoon", "Stryzh" Our drones are taking down.

So, the new strategy is this: the REB is silent, the detector is waiting for a close flight, then the REB suppresses the control channel closely and we lose the drone. This anti-drone gun with automatic detection.

And we are still looking from the air for huge REB cars like "Resident", and Russian REB "goes" into the trenches.

This is just an example that the Russians are not standing still in a drone war and we need to respond equally too.

And this is what I always fear. Russians have a strong REB and when something factory goes into the series it's bad. This is not an aliexpress."
This guy needs a rainbow, because that shit can be detected & localized the minute he turns it on. Sure, drones may suddenly drop from the sky, but that'll let the Ukrainians know an ECM is working & it won't take long to figure out where. Imagine his surprise when artillery starts raining down around his position, rather than what the drones were originally looking at.

In other news... we've seen a lot of interesting macguyvering on the Ukrainian side, but not so much from the Russians; except for this MT-LB armed with a 2M-7 patrol boat naval turret & KPV 14.5mm machineguns, captured near Vulhedar.
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I wonder where they got the turret from. 🤔

Edit: The non-article posting faggots here need to take their autistic political & milfag slapfighting to the thread where that shit belongs, or do it in a private conversation.

It's pretty simple; post up the link to an article, even if it's from Daily Mail, Ukraine's official Twitter, or some random slav outlet; then give it a context comment or reply, quote the article, copy/paste links, archive if possible & be done with it. Otherwise we get an article posted then three fucking pages of shit that made me check to see what Ukraine thread I was reading. Holy shit. I'll take my tophats now.
 
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I still think it’s funny how many of the loyalists were indigenous people… because the empire offered a check against the criollos.
No, actually. The indigenous people were autonomous and operated under their own laws and courts unlike the Spanish citizens and those of mixed Spanish descent, and they wanted to keep those privileges which were threatened by the criollo uprising, who were tired of the Spanish restricting theirs in favor of the peninsulares.
Russia doesn't get to decide who their neighbors sign up with.

Maybe if they hadn't acted like psychotic animals the neighboring countries wouldn't be looking for someone to make sure the rabid dog doesn't tear off someone's leg.

Eastern Europe: Hey, NATO, can we join? Russia's over hear breathing heavy and drooling again.
Russia: WE NO DO NUTTIN!
>Invades everyone
Its impressive how similar Russian rhetoric is to that of the joggers when you put it side by side. The words may be different but the content is the same.
To make it spicy, we could give the ewwwwnime enjoyers from Nippon the East part of Russia to influence.
Already happened once before. Sadly we're not going to get a redux of the 2nd Pacific Squadron, mostly because Russia barely has the ships for a 1st Pacific Squadron.

And to pay the news tax:
https://twitter.com/AnitaAnandMP/status/1621941204941144070
Today, an @RCAF_ARC aircraft departed Halifax carrying the first Leopard 2 main battle tank that Canada is sending to Ukraine. Canada stands with the people of Ukraine – and we’ll continue to provide Ukraine’s Armed Forces with the equipment that they need to win.
Someone ordered an air delivery?

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/portugal-send-leopard-tanks-ukraine-pm-says-2023-02-04/

Portugal to send Leopard tanks to Ukraine, PM says​

Portugal has joined in.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/kazakh-yurts-ukraine-irk-russia-134603840.html

Kazakh yurts in Ukraine irk Russia as crowdfunded aid pours in​

And so has fucking Kazakhstan. Buried a bit into the article is news that the Kazahk government has refused to do anything about its people sending aid, which naturally has made Moscow unhappy.
 
The worst part of moderating slapfights is trying to decide where the cutoff point is or how far to go back. Good chaps like @snekstarted posting articles again so it's naturally back on topic, try to follow his good example.
Its Snekposter, and thank you for the compliment. Sadly its a slow-ass news day/week/month as it appears both sides have decided to drink and beat their wives instead of fighting each other.
 
Its Snekposter, and thank you for the compliment. Sadly its a slow-ass news day/week/month as it appears both sides have decided to drink and beat their wives instead of fighting each other.
Sorry, autocorrect on a tablet. Not my normal browsing, but I occasionally test the mod tools on other devices.
 
They certainly have enough inactive ships that have been rotting away since the 90s to have plenty lying around. Plus naval guns like that typically get stored for a long time and reused at some point. That's true even for the US navy, and doubly so for a nation like Russia that keeps everything.
During Vietnam the US Navy was hauling old WW2 Garands and M1919's out of storage and converting them to 7.62 NATO. Wasn't difficult since its ballistically the same round, just a little under half an inch shorter thanks to advances in powder in the intervening years. So I'm not exactly going to shittalk the Russians slapping old guns on things as part of war exigencies considering America's own history there. If you've got it, might as well use it.

Now, as an aside, in civilian hands the .30-06 has stuck around because you can load that larger case with longer, heavier bullets and more powder than the 7.62mm case, which is important for certain kinds of hunting, but unnecessary for military use considering 7.62mm is already overkill against unarmored targets.
 
https://www.yahoo.com/news/kazakh-yurts-ukraine-irk-russia-134603840.html
And so has fucking Kazakhstan. Buried a bit into the article is news that the Kazahk government has refused to do anything about its people sending aid, which naturally has made Moscow unhappy.
Yeah, this started some time ago. One of the biggest Russian propagandists Solovyov was butthurt about it, and some guest on his show made insinuations regarding "denazification" of Kazakhstan, which the latter didn't like, so he had to walk it back.
It's lovely, that Kazakh plov is to die for
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Considering what's been going on in the Happenings thread for the better part of months, I implore you to shoot the spergout chimps on sight, no leniency. They shitted up two pages of this thread in the time I went to sleep and woke up.

Happenings is thier dedicated containment area and they can very well stay the fuck there if they have nothing but worthless vitriol to contribute to a thread.

God I'm fucking MATI.
Threadbanned 3 or 4 for reaction images & slapfighting,with public warnings, so your call for blood has been answered.
 
Zelenisky vow to keep holding onto Bakhumt

He also ask for more long range weaponry
Speaking at a news conference with EU officials following a summit in Kyiv, the Ukrainian president said: “Nobody will give away Bakhmut. We will fight for as long as we can. We consider Bakhmut our fortress.



“Ukraine would be able to hold Bakhmut and liberate occupied Donbas if it received long-range weapons.”

The city of Bakhmut has become the focal point of Ukrainian resistance to Russia’s invasion and of Moscow’s drive to regain battlefield momentum.

It comes as the number of Russian troops who have either died or were left wounded in the continuing war is nearing 200,000, according to Western officials.
note, I am trying to find the source for the 200k dead/wounded on Russian site but I have only found reference to western sources.
I know that I have posted an article from Norway, but there they claim that around 150k was dead or wounded.
If someone can find the OG source, I would be happy.

also, New York Times article about Russia casualties:
Soaring Death Toll gives Grim Insight into Russian Tactics
With Moscow desperate for a major battlefield victory and viewing Bakhmut as the key to seizing the entire eastern Donbas area, the Russian military has sent poorly trained recruits and former convicts to the front lines, straight into the path of Ukrainian shelling and machine guns. The result, American officials say, has been hundreds of troops killed or injured a day.
Russia analysts say that the loss of life is unlikely to be a deterrent to Mr. Putin’s war aims. He has no political opposition at home and has framed the war as the kind of struggle the country faced in World War II, when more than 8 million Soviet troops died. U.S. officials have said that they believe that Mr. Putin can sustain hundreds of thousands of casualties in Ukraine, although higher numbers could cut into his political support.

Ukraine’s casualty figures are also difficult to ascertain, given Kyiv’s reluctance to disclose its own wartime losses. But in Bakhmut, hundreds of Ukrainian troops have been wounded and killed daily at times as well, officials said. Better trained infantry formations are kept in reserve to safeguard them, while lesser prepared troops, such as those in the territorial defense units, are kept on the front line and bear the brunt of shelling.
the authors make a note that Ukraine are more reclutent to say how many have died on their side.



To go off topic, if you get supermad in the other thread, here is my advise: Don't engage in that thread.
I got very pissed off what is said in that thread sometimes but it is not worth my time or effort to engage there.
Walk away and save your braincells for something more fun.
 
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