Flight from Paris bound for Cairo disappears - Sudden malfunction or sudden jihad syndrome?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...ed-to-cairo-from-paris-disappears-from-radar/

An Egyptair flight bound for Cairo from Paris has disappeared from the radar, the airline announced late Wednesday.

Flight No. MS804 departed Paris at 11:09 p.m. Central European Summer Time. Egyptair said it would post updates as more information became available.

CNN quoted the airline saying that the plane was flying at 37,000 feet when it disappeared before entering Egyptian airspace. A total of 69 people were said to be on board — 59 passengers and 10 crew.

Hopefully they all come back alive, but I don't think I've ever read a story about a plane disappearing from the radar that didn't end in tragedy. And considering it's an EgyptAir flight between two Muslim countries, terrorism sounds like a real possibility

 

[Lorento]

Quote from the Greek Defence Minister.

But Greece's Defence Minister Panos Kammenos told a news conference that soon after entering Egyptian airspace, the plane had turned "90 degrees left and 360 degrees to the right" before plunging.

I don't know what to make of this really but it is clear that with a distress signal being sent out and with these sharp movements that the cause was not a suicidal pilot.

 

[Internet War Criminal]

I don't know what to make of this really

It was a bomb.

They found debris 100 miles from the site of the crash, which means that a bomb which exploded and led to the plane going crazy as the pilot tried to take back control of it is pretty likely at this point. Especially since they had a stop in Tunisia where the bomb could also have been sneaked in by an airport worker or whatever.

There were also flashes of light in the sky reported at the same time they lost contact.

 

[Tranhuviya]

There were also flashes of light in the sky reported at the same time they lost contact.

Aliens did it.

 

[Foltest]

ISIS did it. I bet my left pinky.

 

[FlamingPie]

It was a bomb.

They found debris 100 miles from the site of the crash, which means that a bomb which exploded and led to the plane going crazy as the pilot tried to take back control of it is pretty likely at this point. Especially since they had a stop in Tunisia where the bomb could also have been sneaked in by an airport worker or whatever.

There were also flashes of light in the sky reported at the same time they lost contact.

I'm on CNN's site. They don't mention flashes of lights or a stop at Tunisia, but they say US officials are looking into the possibility that a bomb was indeed the cause. If a bomb was planted, it probably would have occurred at Paris and it wouldn't surprise me if they had some connection/sympathies with the assholes who did the terrorist attacks there six months prior.

 

[Trans Fat 41g]

Trump's DNA should be used as fuel.

 

[Melkor]

This isn't really good news for me, considering I'll be boarding a plane in less than an hour.

 

[Internet War Criminal]

This isn't really good news for me, considering I'll be boarding a plane in less than an hour.

Nah see it that way, it really is a win-win here.

Win: Things like that usually happen months apart at the very least, so you should be safe
Win: If your plane does blow up, we'll have a celebration thread and everyone will bring cake

Its good all around

In more serious news:

• Egypt “confirmed” it found wreckage and floating objects in the sea off the Greek island of Karpathos, east of Crete. The objects included apparent life jackets and plastic material. The flight was en route from Paris to Cairo when it disappeared from radar three hours into the flight. It had 66 people on board.
• Actually Egypt unconfirmed that.
• Egyptian and Greek teams have begun a search and recovery mission. “Family members of passengers and crew have been already informed and we extend our deepest sympathies to those affected,” EgyptAir said in a statement.
• Egypt’s aviation minister Sherif Fathy said terrorism was more likely than technical failure to be the cause of the crash. “The possibility of having a terror attack is higher than the possibility of having a technical [problem],” he told reporters.
• Other authorities were more cautious. French president François Holland, Egyptian prime minister Sherif Ismail and the White House said that terrorism could not be ruled out, though Barack Obama’s spokesman added that he knew of no intelligence that “ruled anything in” either.
• The plane made “sudden swerves” before dropping off radar over the Mediterranean, Greek defense minister Panos Kammenosaid.The plane made a 90-degree turn left, and then dropped from 37,000 feet to 15,000 feet before swerving 360 degrees right, he said. EgyptAir said contact was lost around 10 miles (16km) inside Egyptian airspace at 2.30am local time (00.30 GMT).
  
• French and Greek aircraft, one US navy plane, eight merchant ships and a number of Egyptian vessels have joined the search for debris.
• The plane was carrying 56 passengers and 10 crew: two cockpit crew, five cabin crew and three security personnel. The airline said two babies and one child were on board.
• Among the passengers were 30 Egyptians, 15 French, two Iraqis, and one each from the UK, Belgium, Kuwait, Saudi Arabia, Sudan, Chad, Portugal, Algeria and Canada. Britain’s foreign secretary, Philip Hammond, confirmed that a British passport holder was on board the plane.
• The plane, on its fifth journey of the day, was travelling at 37,000 feet when it disappeared from radar. It had made a stop in Tunisia before flying to Paris.
• EgyptAir says the captain has 6,275 flying hours, including 2,101 on the A320; the copilot has 2,766. The plane was manufactured in 2003.

 

[AN/ALR56]

Sudden movement and disappearance from flight radar could indicate a hijack or possible pilot suicide.

 

[Internet War Criminal]

Sudden movement and disappearance from flight radar could indicate a hijack or possible pilot suicide.

When you add flashes of lights and the way those sudden movements were described, a bomb and a pilot frantically trying to redress the plane for a crash landing seems more likely

 

[FlamingPie]

I think IWC's theory might be a bit more plausible. Assuming the pilots had nothing to do with this, a lot of security these days involves keeping the terrorists out of the cockpit, so instead of wasting time trying to hijack a plane, the fuckers just blow it up instead.

 

[Cosmos]

• The plane was carrying 56 passengers and 10 crew: two cockpit crew, five cabin crew and three security personnel. The airline said two babies and one child were on board.

As horrible as this is, at least the number of passengers was relatively low. I was expecting like 150+ people.

I really, really hope that this was just a freak accident and not a terrorist attack. It's one thing to have your loved ones die in an accident and another thing entirely for them to be murdered. But if it was ISIS... well, let's just hope that the rest of the world decides to finally exterminate their asses once and for all.

 

[Functional Animal]

At this point I want to believe it's aliens just so I don't have to pick the obvious choice that it has been for disasters in Europe for the last year or so.

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[Internet War Criminal]

Debris have been located and now pretty much everyone is saying 'Yeah, it was terrorism'

 

[Thiletonomics]

Debris have been located and now pretty much everyone is saying 'Yeah, it was terrorism'

Is a "Murder for hire" or "murder/suicide for insurance" plot still feasible? There have been some cases where people would put a bomb on the plane, either carrying it themselves to commit suicide, or to put it on a plane to kill off someone they know of, in order to cash out an insurance policy, or as a murder for hire deal.

I'm on CNN's site. They don't mention flashes of lights or a stop at Tunisia, but they say US officials are looking into the possibility that a bomb was indeed the cause. If a bomb was planted, it probably would have occurred at Paris and it wouldn't surprise me if they had some connection/sympathies with the assholes who did the terrorist attacks there six months prior.

If a plane were blown up and crashes on land, the evidence is much easier to find, than if a plane were blown up and crashes in the sea.

 

[AN/ALR56]

• 00:26Z 3044 ANTI ICE R WINDOW
• 00:26Z 561200 R SLIDING WINDOW SENSOR
• 00:26Z 2600 SMOKE LAVATORY SMOKE
• 00:27Z 2600 AVIONICS SMOKE
• 00:28Z 561100 R FIXED WINDOW SENSOR
• 00:29Z 2200 AUTO FLT FCU 2 FAULT
• 00:29Z 2700 F/CTL SEC 3 FAULT

Telemetry data from the plane.
It's pretty much confirmed that it was a bomb or a fire.

 

[Internet War Criminal]

Is a "Murder for hire" or "murder/suicide for insurance" plot still feasible? There have been some cases where people would put a bomb on the plane, either carrying it themselves to commit suicide, or to put it on a plane to kill off someone they know of, in order to cash out an insurance policy, or as a murder for hire deal.

Well I guess it's still plausible but that Agatha Christie bullshit is a million times less likely than some Muslim guy going Dirka Dirka Mohammed Jihad and blowing shit up, whether he's on the plane or not.

I mean there's murdering someone for insurance, and there's taking down a whole plane of people and shit to hide your crime. That's twirling your mustache in a bond movie type of villainous shit that rarely actually happens irl

Especially since, you know, someone wrote in arabic on that very plane 'We will take this plane down' sooooo

 

[millais]

By now you would think someone would have claimed credit though. The ISIS were very quick to claim responsibility for the Russian airliner they blew up late last year.

 

[Strelok]

There's also the fact that the airline industry still has a shocking record of cutting corners. Like "forgot to put back in 40 bolts in a wing assembly" corners.

 

[Trilby]

There's also the fact that the airline industry still has a shocking record of cutting corners. Like "forgot to put back in 40 bolts in a wing assembly" corners.

This is why I'm still very hesitant on flying at all. If it's not a terrorist attack, it's that.