Diseased Sanctioned Suicide - "Kill yourself" but unironically with sodium nitrite. Higher death count than the Farms. Targeted by parents, legislators, and journalists looking to alter Section 230.

[BurritoJuanito]

what? no, fuck this site

I'm against minors having access to the stuff on our website, so it really does hurt to hear minors ending their lives. We had put precautions in place to prevent that, but the nature of online forums being public really makes it difficult. We had considered ID verification, but people can easily get around that too, so we left it up to a checkbox.

"We thought extensive age verification could probably be circumvented so we just removed it entirely"

 

[Tantacrul]

You can speak directly and privately to staff here to get verified.

I have sent two messages here to discuss how to verify myself. Happy to do so.

 

[Bioniclelover]

Healthy young man randomly clicked on the Sanctioned Suicide website (this totally happens to everyone) - IMMEDIATELY KILLED HIMSELF. Many such cases!


Now, seriously - I am kind of baffled that people act like this is a site someone just randomly stumbles into, filled with subliminal messages that will make anyone instantly suicidal. Also saying that solving societal problems which make people suicidal is irrelevant criticism only shows that people don't actually care about suicides, they just have a savior complex and do it all for clout.

 

[Tantacrul]

While I wait to be verified, I'm going to make three points for those who are interested observers and not SS members in disguise.

1. Many on the SS forum are engaging in a kind of double-think that is almost impossible to conceive. They literally cannot see what is right in front of them. To give one example: take the partners thread. Even before I released my video, the prosecution of Craig McInally (who lured two girls to his flat to be sexually assaulted, using the Partners thread) caught the attention of those on SS and one person asked 'did that happen here?'. When it was confirmed that it did, the consensus ended up being that people should be just steer clear of the Partners thread because it's dangerous and 'you'd never know who is on there'. Stop and think about that for a moment. The members agreed it was super dangerous. Then they decided to leave it up. That's the mindset we're dealing with here. It somehow allows them to claim complete innocence, while knowingly allowing dangerous parts of the site to thrive. It's double-think on a cosmic scale. (We host this shit / We could stop it right now / We're not responsible / Let's do nothing / We're innocent / Why are you attacking us?).
   
   
2. Over on the SS forum, they are discussing this KF thread in detail. Remember that a lot of people here are part of that double-think tribe. They're going to be here doing everything they can to say the opposite of what I'm saying. 'Misrepresentation!' 'Lies!' etc. They want to try and sway the more rational among you, who naturally want to consider everything before taking a 'side'. The thing is, what I'm saying does not take a detective's brain to verify. All you need to do is read a handful of posts stretching back over the few weeks before I released my video (and conversations happening right now) to see that what I'm saying is undeniably true. Look at the name of the site for Christ's sake!
   
   
3. Lamarcus is here to downplay his involvement. That's his only priority. He doesn't want to be associated with the site. He doesn't want to be held liable. For this reason, nothing he says should be accepted as true. His messages are not aimed at you. They're aimed at the authorities who may trawl this thread if at some point they decide to start prosecuting.

 

[demicolon]

I have a modest proposal for treating suicidal people: give them a dose of Ritalin. That should cure 95% of them.

 

[Bitchnado]

I have 3 major thoughts on this topic:
I support the right for assisted suicide. However, it should never be handled by randoms. And it's not just the matter of incompetence. A dynamic like this will almost inevitably create a place that is ran by insane freaks who, at best, romanticize suicide and, at worst, fetishize it. Kiwifarms users should be more aware of this than anyone else on the Internet.

People are social creatures. Nothing in this world can normalize destructive behavior like socialization around it. Socialization is the moving force behind every cult, every totalitarian shithole, every ruthless crime organization, and so on. This is how people work. Create a DOTA community and it will encourage people to be more interested in DOTA. Make a forum about pies and people who join it will bake more of them. A community dedicated to normalizing suicide through both open discussion and active assistance will encourage people to kill themselves no matter what faggot language you try to hide it behind. The "recovery" section works about as well at justifying all this as a "detox" section on a forum dedicated to cooking and smoking meth.

Bad proposed solutions (like repealing S230) have nothing to do with whether a place like SS is morally justified to exist. Banning pockets is a disastrously bad way to solve pickpocketing, but it doesn't make stealing more or less okay.

 

[Dyn]

A community dedicated to normalizing suicide through both open discussion and active assistance will encourage people to kill themselves no matter what faggot language you try to hide it behind.

I disagree. If this website was more accessible than the thousands of suicide hotlines and mental health resources that are readily available and heavily advertised, then sure, but it's not. It's buried on a niche corner of the internet, and it attracts a very specific kind of person, and it's not the suicidal kind. Killing yourself is too fucking easy for that. You don't have to research sodium nitrate or do a nembutal smuggling run into Mexico, you just take the lid off a can of beans and open yourself up in a place that bleeds a lot and you're done.

People who are considering suicide are either going to find help relatively easily, or never go looking for help and eventually deal with it on their own or blow the back of the heads out. The kind of people whose minds are made up to commit suicide and don't want help aren't going to need this stupid website at all because they've already gone and bean lidded themselves.

That just leaves whining babies who aren't suicidal at all and just want to mope together and be histrionic faggots and never actually commit suicide, and I don't see any harm in letting them.

 

[SFINAE]

Even before I released my video, the prosecution of Craig McInally (who lured two girls to his flat to be sexually assaulted, using the Partners thread) caught the attention of those on SS and one person asked 'did that happen here?'. When it was confirmed that it did, the consensus ended up being that people should be just steer clear of the Partners thread because it's dangerous and 'you'd never know who is on there'. Stop and think about that for a moment. The members agreed it was super dangerous. Then they decided to leave it up.

The members don't control what the site hosts, the moderators do.

It somehow allows them to claim complete innocence, while knowingly allowing dangerous parts of the site to thrive. It's double-think on a cosmic scale. (We host this shit / We could stop it right now / We're not responsible / Let's do nothing / We're innocent / Why are you attacking us?).

And if that thread didn't exist, the discussion would just move to things like private Discord chats and Twitter group DMs instead. You want to kill the site, but you can't kill the idea. And as a matter of fact, I'd much rather that the thread continued existing so any emerging situations can have a public (well, members-only, but relatively speaking) heads-up.

They want to try and sway the more rational among you, who naturally want to consider everything before taking a 'side'.

Why the fuck should I care about what some weirdo suicide-obsessed forum dwellers think? Nobody should blindly believe what anyone else says.

Look at the name of the site for Christ's sake!

A question for you, Tantacrul: Do you think the very idea of suicide is something that should not be spoken of, or only restricted to "professionals"?

Lamarcus is here to downplay his involvement. That's his only priority. He doesn't want to be associated with the site. He doesn't want to be held liable. For this reason, nothing he says should be accepted as true. His messages are not aimed at you. They're aimed at the authorities who may trawl this thread if at some point they decide to start prosecuting.

That part might very well be true, but he's also speaking the truth in most of what he says. Can you provide hard evidence (archived pages, not just cherry-picked screenshots) of actual suicide encouragement on the forum? But keep in mind that simply explaining a method of suicide is not encouraging someone to do it. You have to find an actual instance where someone is cheering on suicide.

 

[Haramburger]

It's double-think on a cosmic scale.

It's containment you colossal retard. You can't completely prevent hypothetical predators from lurking on the site, but you can loosely corral them into one specific area and action them/track them from there.

Over on the SS forum, they are discussing this KF thread in detail.

This entire paragraph makes no point other than "I'm right, SS users are double-thinking liars!" So what? Nobody's defending the suicidal users' trains of thought, just their assertion that they want to talk to one another.

Lamarcus is here to downplay his involvement. That's his only priority.

No one cares. I really don't care if he's defending free speech or a dirtbag trying to cover his own ass, I just think it's interesting that he came here to tell his side of the story & is verified.

Again, your priorities are all fucked up and backwards. What you should be doing FIRST, is prefacing all your stupid statements about this topic with "I feel really bad that this guy in our community decided to kill himself, I don't think people should commit suicide, please reach out to me or other people in my community to talk, for help, and here's things you should try to stop the slide into this behavior with I disagree with." THEN you can jerk yourself off publicly about how you're "so right proper 'n' correct wotwot, mah video can't be deboonked, I'm the moral high ground and you SS defenders are bloody mad, hope the bobbies pinch you, daft yanks." You've yet to demonstrate a single shred of sympathy, empathy or concern for the people you think you're defending. You're obsessed with the possibility of predators trying to kill people who want to die, when any one of them could crowdfund a fundraiser for a plane ticket to Canada for 500 quid, so that Prime Minister Justin Trudeau in a saudi robe can insert the needle himself into their necks for a MAiD PR photo.

Go ahead, campaign to shut down the mean little website that your fan-friend posted on. You ever going to give a single shit about leafs inviting their doompilled UK friends over for a holiday and sharing their state-issued sodium nitrate? You faggot haggis-chugging clout chaser.

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I have sent two messages here to discuss how to verify myself. Happy to do so.

One suffices, Null handles them personally & this is around the time of day he gets on to putter around the site. Once it's done it doesn't really change anything in this thread other than adding the blue shield & check to your name for passersby or latecomers. Just keep your eyes open this afternoon(?)in your timezone.

 

[Laughing Muttley]

While I wait to be verified, I'm going to make three points for those who are interested observers and not SS members in disguise.

You certainly did yourself no favor by willingly altering the information you tried to expose in your video, to then accuse these forum members of being two-faced. By hiding names, vocabulary, rewriting posts and constructing fake screenshot you made it almost impossible for the average viewer to seek out actual sources and made your entire argumentation rely on "trust me bro", second hand accounts, and may Allah forgive me for saying this, journalists. It is not helping anyone except the other people you brought on (such as Kelli Wilson) making the whole thing look like some form of gay op against section 230; that could also be construed as double-think.
That said, I'm not entirely convinced these SS people are entirely blameless or even honest to begin with; but you kinda engaged them on an even lower level by activelly straw manning them.
With all of that said, I wonder if you'd go ahead and apply the same production skills to your friends in the DIY HRT community.

 

[Not At All A Lizard]

Oh boy, I don't give a shit about this topic, but this looks like it'll be fun to watch. Love a good wannabe-messiah.

 

[afounder]

Many on the SS forum are engaging in a kind of double-think that is almost impossible to conceive. They literally cannot see what is right in front of them. To give one example: take the partners thread. Even before I released my video, the prosecution of Craig McInally (who lured two girls to his flat to be sexually assaulted, using the Partners thread) caught the attention of those on SS and one person asked 'did that happen here?'. When it was confirmed that it did, the consensus ended up being that people should be just steer clear of the Partners thread because it's dangerous and 'you'd never know who is on there'. Stop and think about that for a moment. The members agreed it was super dangerous. Then they decided to leave it up. That's the mindset we're dealing with here. It somehow allows them to claim complete innocence, while knowingly allowing dangerous parts of the site to thrive. It's double-think on a cosmic scale. (We host this shit / We could stop it right now / We're not responsible / Let's do nothing / We're innocent / Why are you attacking us?).

It's very telling that you failed to address any criticism to your video, and you've made two long posts here pretty much ignoring.

It is not double think, this is just more of you rambling on about responsibility. You keep deliberately keep drilling on about the partners thread, which has a bunch of disclaimers and even without it being there, there will always be members PMing each other looking for partners. Your whole point is moot here. The thread existing or not existing means absolutely nothing and to make a whole point about this is stupid. Craig McInally is one predator that got caught and that's good, but to close a thread or community over it is stupid.

Also, regarding the video, some on the forum say that you have hidden any comments on the video regarding anything from the sites members and anything that paints the site in anything other than what you mentioned in your video.

Over on the SS forum, they are discussing this KF thread in detail. Remember that a lot of people here are part of that double-think tribe. They're going to be here doing everything they can to say the opposite of what I'm saying. 'Misrepresentation!' 'Lies!' etc. They want to try and sway the more rational among you, who naturally want to consider everything before taking a 'side'. The thing is, what I'm saying does not take a detective's brain to verify. All you need to do is read a handful of posts stretching back over the few weeks before I released my video (and conversations happening right now) to see that what I'm saying is undeniably true. Look at the name of the site for Christ's sake!

Can they not discuss what they want to discuss? It's a discussion board after all, not a cult. You keep going on about double-think but you have demonstrably told lies about the site and that's not just coming from me, that's coming from a good amount of people that have read this thread, too. You went on a crusade because you believe that this site is so bad that it needs to be taken off the internet, but you gave very weak reasoning as to why. Noone trying to get anyone to take a side here and I really don't have to be here. There was very little truth to your video, and you had to exaggerate what little truth you did have to whip people into a moral panic about it.

Lamarcus is here to downplay his involvement. That's his only priority. He doesn't want to be associated with the site. He doesn't want to be held liable. For this reason, nothing he says should be accepted as true. His messages are not aimed at you. They're aimed at the authorities who may trawl this thread if at some point they decide to start prosecuting.

I haven't been involved in the site for almost 2 years. I came here to tell the truth, and anyone can go to the site and people can post up whatever to verify what I'm saying is correct. It has nothing about not wanting to be held liable for anything; I broke no laws. The authorities probably won't read this forum and it's silly to suggest that this thread on an internet forum would ever come up in an investigation or court.

I can assure you that no authorities care about prosecuting me or anyone else on the site. It's been almost 2 years and no authorities have reached out to me once about the site. Surely if I was in hot water, I would have been interviewed, but I have not. This whole thing about me being criminally investigated is plainly false, and any such investigation would have come to a head by now.

It's funny that you say that nothing should be accepted as true from me, when you have told lies and you have continued to spread those lies without responding to any of the accusations posted here. You should just return to making your shitty music videos and developing that crappy music editing software, because you're clearly out of your depths here and your savior complex, bullshit, and lies aren't welcome here.

 

[AnOminous]

Now, seriously - I am kind of baffled that people act like this is a site someone just randomly stumbles into, filled with subliminal messages that will make anyone instantly suicidal.

They're obviously lured in deceptively. They conceal the true purpose of the site by putting "suicide" in the name.

Lamarcus is here to downplay his involvement.

Yes, he's definitely downplaying his involvement by putting "founder" in his username. Because of that I am totally confused as to whether he has anything to do with the site.

 

[afounder]

"We thought extensive age verification could probably be circumvented so we just removed it entirely"

Yes, because we we're going to spend hundreds of month age verifying people for a publicly viewable forum. No that's dumb. The checkbox on registration is enough.

Trying to extensively verify people to post on a publicly viewable forum would've been a waste of money, time, and effort.

 

[LinkinParkxNaruto[AMV]]

who lured two girls to his flat to be sexually assaulted, using the Partners thread)

So when will you try to shut down Discord? reddit, twitter, facebook, instagram? i mean, if you are really against this sort of crimes you should look into where it happens on a mass scale.

 

[RVNX]

Powerleveling, but as someone who went through depression and my own attempt at suicide through poisoning, I kind of sympathize with both parts of the argument. On one hand, I support giving people the choice to commit suicide, but on the other I think that accepting it as "the only way" is a dangerous path to go.

Therapy and the hurdles it comes with are something that people with depression might be a bit too afraid of. Many people with it confine themselves to the very situation they are in and accept it as normal and "livable" until it isn't anymore, but at the same time they fear the change that comes with getting help and think that being institutionalized and getting fed meds is the only way it will go. If you start with therapy early enough you can avoid going down that path entirely, so it should be encouraged as the first choice of action. Although I realize that not everyone will have access to that, be that because they live somewhere shitty or not having the monetary means to cover the costs.

However, forums like these are a dangerous place in the way that like-minded individuals gather to build themselves a support bubble based on a confirmation bias. This kind of affirmation is dangerous and can lead people down paths they otherwise would not have taken. We see this with trannies all the time. So, while I agree with afounder's statement that people will seek out communities like this regardless, it should not mean that it is okay to have them easily accessible, especially when they contain tutorials on suicide methods and shit like FuneralCry's posts.
In the end, suicide prevention/enabling has a lot to do with the willpower of the individual that deals with it. Someone with better reasoning and a more confident attitude will use the discourse to encourage themselves to change their lives, while others might find themselves supported in their belief that suicide is the way to go. It is a difficult topic, but in the end, the real issue is that suicidal tendencies are seen as a taboo when they are a very serious issue that needs to be addressed as early as possible in a manner that doesn't scare people away form seeking serious help.

 

[Tantacrul]

Incidentally, there are no interesting or valid criticisms of my video here, so I won't be responding to any of it. They're so dumb and so illogical, my kids would see through them. I can't make morons smart. I'll leave you with this:

1. The founder is too thick to comprehend the damage he has caused and too terrified to own up to the rest. Stupid and cowardly. What a catch! No wonder he's an incel.
2. The evidence of what I'm saying is right there for anyone with the wherewithal to look into it to verify it's true. If you can't see it, you're either 14 or a bit of a dullard.
3. About those who seem to think that what I'm saying has some repercussions for this forum, please note: I don't care about this place one way or the other. The OP decided to state in the title of the thread that I'm out against section 230, which I'm not.

That's it. I'm out. Couldn't be arsed verifying myself because the mods are taking too long. Best to all of you.

 

[iffywas]

I'll leave my sperging there for now, but I do have a few questions for anyone on this thread who has read a lot of posts on the site

• People have said the site has turned toxic and to shit, is this just powermodding and FuneralCry, and if so is this the same shit you see on sites like reddit or does it cause problems unique to the site?
• What is the deal with the site saying helping people with their suicide methods is against the rules and illegal (see below) and yet they break this rule all the time it seems.
• Also from the quote what are the other rules that are broken daily?

First question. Yes, exactly that. I'd say 90% of the drama caused centres around FC, who posts the same posts word for word daily. She gives no other information other than she's 22 and has Aspergers. I'm not for a moment suggesting she should give out any details she's uncomfortable with, but every user tends to give at least vague information about the situation they find themselves in. This in itself feels off, and as several people have pointed out, it feels like a fake account, or some sort of automated response. Her posts are The Absolute Truth And Cannot Be Challenged. Anyone who challenges any point quickly gets jumped on by white knights, then the thread descends into farce and the admin starts mouthing off, and tHe BuLlY cLiQuE get warned, banned, and ostracised. There is no bully clique, it's all deliberately made into drama.

An example here of a typical case as described above:

https://archive.ph/iI4vB

It's one example of many. I will post some more later, but it's a constant thing. White knights galore. R+S usually weighs in and makes it clear FC is the golden bollocks and everyone else is a pro-life troll bully. Citation later.

Answers 2 and 3 I'll address together. Here's a copy of the rules:

https://archive.ph/Ivx2z

Do:

• Be respectful of others, and their opinions.
  • Disrespect will not be tolerated on this forum. Try to have constructive conversations without resorting to name-calling or insults.

I honestly don't want to make everything about FC or R+S but when I say at least 90% of the drama is those two, it's hard not to keep referring to them. The disrespect I've seen is shocking. Should it be expected on a suicide forum where most people are clearly suffering? I'd say no. Whilst I have sympathy that their lives are shit, there's no excuse for misconduct towards other suicidal people, in particular from an admin.

Do NOT:

• Harass, bully, attack or insult other members.
  • If someone is misbehaving or breaking the rules, report them instead. Do not troll or proselytize, meaning do not impose your views - no matter what they are - on others or make threads to get people riled up.

Pretty much same as my thoughts above. Broken daily. I will come back with some more examples in a later post.

Do NOT:

Encourage acts, ask for encouragement, or help anyone commit any acts.

• Do not encourage, suggest, manipulate, coerce, or help users carry out acts of any nature whatsoever, including suicide; only provide factual information and emotional support to those who ask for it. Do not try to get the community to tell you what to do, only you can choose your path and actions.

Fucking LOL, to be honest. Never mind what goes on in DMs, that shit goes on openly in threads. Putting the suicide section private is probably the sanest thing they've done, as before that anyone could lurk and see everything without even having to make an account.


Do NOT:

Post low effort, spam, or ask to be PMd (i.e., sent a Private Message).

• Don't spam or make low effort replies. Spam includes sending mass PMs, unsolicited PMs, and making posts asking for people to PM you.

Posting the same repetitive post over 18,000 times apparently doesn't count as low effort. At least contribute something worthwhile instead of creating drama every day.

Do NOT:

Post or request personal information, website links, or sources of ANY kind.

• Don't post personal information of anyone, no matter if the information is public or not, or if you have been given permission or not. This includes posting or requesting identifying information of providers, contacts, of yourself, of someone else, or website links to providers (e.g., amazon products, ebay stores, onions, upload sites, independent sellers, etc). If you wish to share information with someone, do so privately, but understand you take responsibility for the risks of doing so.

Seen this done so many times, but in fairness it does tend to get swiftly removed.

Do NOT:

• Use NSFW avatars/signatures.
  • Don't use NSFW images for your avatar or signature, including self-harm and sexual acts.

There are people with avatars of nooses, killers, and there was some furore about someone using an Elliot Rodger avatar, which was allowed to stay. I know things like that don't matter here on KF, but it's just a point that the rules aren't strictly kept over there.

I believe @afounder wrote these rules? If so, did you see and deal with any violations? Nobody seems to give a damn about rules any more, it's just a free-for-all. That said, I don't particularly care about rules or grassing on anyone who deems to have broken them. There is definitely a bias though as to who can and can't break them.

 

[AnOminous]

Yes, because we we're going to spend hundreds of month age verifying people for a publicly viewable forum. No that's dumb. The checkbox on registration is enough.

It's enough for Facebook.

Incidentally, there are no interesting or valid criticisms of my video here, so I won't be responding to any of it. They're so dumb and so illogical, my kids would see through them. I can't make morons smart. I'll leave you with this:

People pointed out numerous outright lies and you just completely ignored them.

I'm completely unimpressed with your bullshit.

 

[Colon capital V]

@Tantacrul why did you add telemetry to Audacity you dickless nigger?

Also

About those who seem to think that what I'm saying has some repercussions for this forum, please note: it is hard to overestimate how little of a fuck I give about this place one way or the other.

Then why the fuck did you decide to come here in the first place fellating yourself thinking you're going to turn some heads when "oh I don't care about this forum at all actually"?

The OP decided to state in the title of the thread that I'm out against section 230, which I'm not.

Did you miss the part where he outright stated he can't change the subtitles of a thread and that only Moderators here can do it, or did you just not bother to read his post like the countless other posts you decided to ignore?