Microsoft is fucking butthurt no one wants Windows 11 so they're stopping the sale of Windows 10 licenses this month

S Edition is not for enterprise, it's for personal devices.
I suppose, but does anyone actually use that? I've literally never encountered it before.

It doesn't seem to be getting anywhere near enough traction to be a credible direction for the company in future versions of even non-enterprise Windows.
 
I suppose, but does anyone actually use that? I've literally never encountered it before.

It doesn't seem to be getting anywhere near enough traction to be a credible direction for the company in future versions of even non-enterprise Windows.
If anyone does use it, it's involuntarily. When it came pre-installed on lower end computers it got nothing but hate to the point they backed off. My point is that it's clearly something Microsoft wants to do and "they'd alienate their customers" isn't something I think they care about. They're apparently still interested in doing this since they're continuing work on it and their bread and butter is in enterprise who won't be impacted.

Maybe they're just jealous of how much Apple makes for free by forcing everyone to go their through store, I don't know.
 
My point is that it's clearly something Microsoft wants to do and "they'd alienate their customers" isn't something I think they care about. They're apparently still interested in doing this since they're continuing work on it and their bread and butter is in enterprise who won't be impacted.

Maybe they're just jealous of how much Apple makes for free by forcing everyone to go their through store, I don't know.
Oh, I have no doubt they'd like to do that if they could get away with it. Hell, I think Microsoft would like Windows to mug me in the street and steal my wallet if they could get away with it, but it would be extraordinarily difficult to do without killing their OS business stone-dead.

The historical, technical, and competitive headwinds make it nearly impossible.
 
Thankfully, my computer hasn't asked me to update yet. It's probably not powerful enough and/or I don't have enough space.
I was cracking up last week that even Windows Server 2022 is begging users to update to Windows 11 now.
Microsoft and their left hand not knowing what the right one's doing, name a more iconic combo

So that's how long we have until we have to get on Linux, huh?
Pirated isos aren't going anywhere, dude. Though I do sincerely hope Gaben gets the SteamOS emulation layer working better than Wine by 2025.
 
I strongly suspect that by October of 2025, Windows 11 will be just as neutered as Windows 10 became in its first several years.
No amount of neutering is going to bypass that Start Menu/Dock hybrid being the most incompetent and user-unfriendly thing they've implemented since Vista, dude.
 
No amount of neutering is going to bypass that Start Menu/Dock hybrid being the most incompetent and user-unfriendly thing they've implemented since Vista, dude.
Fair enough. I've only used Windows 11 for a grand total of like five minutes helping my dad who'd accidentally upgraded to it, so I haven't really checked out how egregious the changes are yet.

Plus they made the start menu so bafflingly atrocious in Windows 10 that I've pretty trained myself out of using it completely.
 
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Switched over to Manjaro the second they started forcing me to Win11. It sucks, what can you expect though?
I'm an IT Janny so I have to switch over 1300+ laptops to this garbage.
I'm I guess what you would call a "power user"... is there anything I should specifically be watching out for with 11? So far as I can tell, every release since 7 has just been incremental nonsense, but nothing that was actually disabling. What are the major changes and drawbacks of 11?

Increasingly, I do have privacy concerns though. The day is coming where you're going to double click a .exe and Windows is going to tell you it can't run this program because it can't validate your purchase through its skynet-tier partnership program with Activision-EA-Disney-CocaCola Inc...
 
I'm I guess what you would call a "power user"... is there anything I should specifically be watching out for with 11? So far as I can tell, every release since 7 has just been incremental nonsense, but nothing that was actually disabling. What are the major changes and drawbacks of 11?

Increasingly, I do have privacy concerns though. The day is coming where you're going to double click a .exe and Windows is going to tell you it can't run this program because it can't validate your purchase through its skynet-tier partnership program with Activision-EA-Disney-CocaCola Inc...
You should see their server product, which specifically has a feature to prevent downloading another browser than Edge under the guide of "internet security" and you have to manually disable it in the Server Manager every time you kick off a fresh install.
 
I find it extraordinarily doubtful. Corporate users and legacy software support are Microsoft's bread and butter and the bullshit pulled early on with Windows 10 (and Windows 8, actually) was enough to make major players say "fix this or you'll never see another dime from us".

Apple can do what they want because everyone already knows what they're getting into buying into the Apple ecosystem. There aren't any Fortune 500 companies I know of with tailor-made software that only runs on MacOS.
That does bring to mind: Has Microsoft said anything about the Windows Server line of OS? Would be hilarious if they tried pulling the Windows 11 stunt on their enterprise customers.
 
That does bring to mind: Has Microsoft said anything about the Windows Server line of OS? Would be hilarious if they tried pulling the Windows 11 stunt on their enterprise customers.
We're currently assuming the constant badgering to update to Windows 11 is an act of incompetence over their genuine intent.
The sheer fact that they haven't more formally divorced the two OSes internally is really concerning though.
 
This. Pop_OS has run every game I've thrown at it just as well as Windows.
What the hell games are you running? I tried a fairly random sampling of eleven old-ish games with Pop OS that Proton compatibility layer. Five of them ran at all and only three ran at a comparable level of performance.
 
What the hell games are you running? I tried a fairly random sampling of eleven old-ish games with Pop OS that Proton compatibility layer. Five of them ran at all and only three ran at a comparable level of performance.
Elder Scrolls, some Sim type games like Kerbal. Older games from GOG. RTS games. I don't play a lot of high performance games so that could be why. I'm not the biggest pc gamer, I could have just been lucky. Linux has always been a crapshoot. Sometimes it just works then an update comes out and your fixing shit for three days to get it to run again.
 
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I don't know why no one has switched to Kylin yet (I hear an opensource version was released but fuck that, there's also an Ubunto version I believe but I never tested it). It was a fine OS back when I tested it mind you I didn't test it for long. Just find a way to encrypt your shit. I really only use Windows because I'm paid to use it and there's little reason for me to use Linux. "but Linux is free!". So is Windows for me. if I had to I'd just use UOS because fuck the West. The only thing Linux is good for is running Pi boards for emulation. The cost of a board that can run Windows instead isn't cost effective as you may as well just build a micro pc at that point.
Pirated isos aren't going anywhere, dude. Though I do sincerely hope Gaben gets the SteamOS emulation layer working better than Wine by 2025.
I still have my favourite version of XP kicking around somewhere. It was the Windows XP Pirate Edition. It had so much shit stripped away and ran like a dream. However I forgot that it was the version I was running one day and updated it. Doing so wiped the drive clean.
 
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Lol, more OS slapfighting. No surprise. Linux has made huge leaps over what it used to be, but if your software doesn't work with it, don't use it. If you want to try it out, simply follow an online guide to dual booting or trial it on a live distro via usb. If you like how it works, earmark a little more time to get a bit under the hood. Tinker with it. I recommend doing this on a live instance, since it won't actually fuck anything up on your actual hardware. Ignore the purists who tell you to go back to windows and just search for relevant info about it. Linux is an incredible OS once you get the hang of it, but to repeat myself, don't use it daily if the programs you want to use like some DAW and Adobe products, for the easiest example, just don't work on it. I have no idea why anyone would even try, although it's true that you can use a VM to run a complete instance of windows within linux if your hardware is capable of it. You may still run into strange issues, and if that's the case, just run them native in windows or ignore linux totally. Easy distros like Debian or Fedora will be fine windows alternatives if the user in question doesn't mind spending minimal time poking around for 10 minutes or so if all they want to do is fuck around on the internet or send an email. To me, if that's all you're going to do, you may as well just use a phone anymore though.

Use the machine you have in the most efficient and easiest way that works for you, there's no reason in my mind to get all up in arms over the way someone else uses a computer. Being an OSfag is about as pointless as being a consolefag.

To get into the actual thread topic, it's anyone's guess whether the Saas model Microsoft is pushing for will actually hold up over time. It's insanely intrusive, although easy enough to block with a common router based hardware firewall, but most people don't know how to do that, if they even know what a firewall is. I'll resist win11 for a while, just like every new M$ OS, until it matures some and people figure out how to get around it's bullshit and shortcomings. I've recently built a new 13th gen intel based desktop, and I'm still considering how to play the OS game. I'm actually leaning toward putting in the gruntwork to have a base, lightweight terminal driven linux OS be the top level that launches several virtual machines, but I'm not entirely sold on the idea yet. I may just dual or even tri boot it.
 
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