Russian Invasion of Ukraine Megathread - Episode III - Revenge of the Ruski (now unlocked with new skins and gameplay modes!!!)

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[AgendaPoster]

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That interview and thread are distilled retardation.
It says nothing about the land. At that time, in March, Russia was near Kiev.
Concession on denazification and disarmament? Who cares dude? What about the LAND?
What sort of negotiations can you make with an enemy that is attacking the outskirts of the capital city and has occupied almost completely the East part of the country (at that time), whle you have nothing to offer?
Bennett is doing something very Jewish here, that only he knows the purpose, for now. I suspect we will understand why is he making this shit up later on.
As for Tracey, he and Greenwald are two vatnikophile spergs. But at least they don't make shit up, they just exclude information they dislike.
When Tracey was on Destiny's show he got absolutely obliterated on Ukraine and had no arguments at all, and Destiny is a mega-sperg himself. But Tracey is used to his Substack and very friendly appearances on post-left Rumble crap, without any opposition.

 

[870EVO]

That interview and thread are distilled retardation.
It says nothing about the land. At that time, in March, Russia was near Kiev.
Concession on denazification and disarmament? Who cares dude? What about the LAND?
What sort of negotiations can you make with an enemy that is attacking the outskirts of the capital city and has occupied almost completely the East part of the country (at that time), whle you have nothing to offer?
Bennett is doing something very Jewish here, that only he knows the purpose, for now. I suspect we will understand why is he making this shit up later on.
As for Tracey, he and Greenwald are two vatnikophile spergs. But at least they don't make shit up, they just exclude information they dislike.
When Tracey was on Destiny's show he got absolutely obliterated on Ukraine and had no arguments at all, and Destiny is a mega-sperg himself. But Tracey is used to his Substack and very friendly appearances on post-left Rumble crap, without any opposition.

From Western Ukraines actions, they must hate eastern Ukraine though. Shouldn't they be glad if Russia takes the land?

 

[Random Internet Person]

When Tracey was on Destiny's show he got absolutely obliterated on Ukraine and had no arguments at all, and Destiny is a mega-sperg himself.

Got any footage of that?

 

[Feline Supremacist]

That interview and thread are distilled retardation.
It says nothing about the land. At that time, in March, Russia was near Kiev.
Concession on denazification and disarmament? Who cares dude? What about the LAND?
What sort of negotiations can you make with an enemy that is attacking the outskirts of the capital city and has occupied almost completely the East part of the country (at that time), whle you have nothing to offer?
Bennett is doing something very Jewish here, that only he knows the purpose, for now. I suspect we will understand why is he making this shit up later on.
As for Tracey, he and Greenwald are two vatnikophile spergs. But at least they don't make shit up, they just exclude information they dislike.
When Tracey was on Destiny's show he got absolutely obliterated on Ukraine and had no arguments at all, and Destiny is a mega-sperg himself. But Tracey is used to his Substack and very friendly appearances on post-left Rumble crap, without any opposition.

Bennett is based, Israel is the only pro Western ethno-nationalist country in the world. Even Zekensky agrees and said he wants to make Ukraine like Israel.

 

[Random Internet Person]

From Western Ukraines actions, they must hate eastern Ukraine though. Shouldn't they be glad if Russia takes the land?

I don't know. I just know that Zelensky has taken an "all or nothing approach". And Russia looks like they won't stop until they get Zelensky to stop doing the bidding of the US and NATO, if he's still in office.

 

[AgendaPoster]

From Western Ukraines actions, they must hate eastern Ukraine though. Shouldn't they be glad if Russia takes the land?

False, they hate the Russian population, which can be expelled, and the land should remain to Ukraine.
Land good.
Vatnik population = bad

Bennett is based, Israel is the only pro Western ethno-nationalist country in the world. Even Zekensky agrees and said he wants to make Ukraine like Israel.

Vatnikophilia and philosemitism are a deadly combo, woman

 

[870EVO]

False, they hate the Russian population, which can be expelled, and the land should remain to Ukraine.
Land good.
Vatnik population = bad

Vatnikophilia and philosemitism are a deadly combo, woman

Wasn't Ukraine part of Russia though historically? So virtually you're all ethnically Russian? It's just that you respectively prefer one language or dialect over the other?

 

[MrJokerRager]

Imagine your country being led by a former comedian now professional beggar. Your army getting their butt blasted by Russian mercenary dogs. If you're male of fighting age then your ass get hauled to frontline. On top of that, they're getting cucked out of promised tanks by the West with all their delays and political shit flinging. And soon they will be made Poland's bitch if they sign the protectorate deal.

God the average Ukranian's life is hard.

The comedian of Keef didn't even speak Ukrainian until this war started lol.

And there are the folks in the hohol diaspora out there working hard for the neoliberals and globohomo machine working to destroy things like the 1st amendment and 2nd amendment and create more Canadas.

 

[Mukhrani]

Wasn't Ukraine part of Russia though historically? So virtually you're all ethnically Russian? It's just that you respectively prefer one language or dialect over the other?

Not entirely. To make it short and avoid digging into ancient history, before the rise of Germany there were two major powers in the region: Russia, and the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth. The latter was made up of largely Poles and Ruthenians. Its heartland consisted of roughly the modern-day Lithuania, Poland, and Western Ukraine. This polity expanded eastward while Russia was embroiled in a civil war, tacking on the now-occupied eastern areas of Ukraine, which are ethnically distinct - the people there are Russians, not Ruthenians. This was their high water line - once Prussia rose to power and Germany began to coalesce as a single political entity, the Polish-Lithuanian commonwealth fell apart and was absorbed by nearby regional powers, mostly Russia & Germany. In WWII the Ruthenians and Poles spent a lot of time slaughtering one another, and then ended up both falling behind the Iron Curtain. Now they are once again warmly reunited in their schizo slav crusade against all things Russians.

Crimea is a completely different story. It was one of the last strongholds of the remnants of the Mongol Golden Horde (these people ended up being called 'Tatars'). The Russian empire genocided/relocated most of them (as they were wont to do) and took the peninsula, repopulating it with mostly Russians. During the Soviet era, it was attached to Ukraine (at that time an internal territory) in order to streamline administration, and the Russians were very upset to lose it after the fall of the Soviet Union, when the Ukraine ('borderlands') were split into their own country - including Crimea. which is very important to Russia strategically and has zero historical/cultural ties to the Ruthenian heartland. Ultimately that's the root of the whole conflict - kind of funny in a cosmic sense that some bored Soviet clerk editing lines on a map would end up causing such a hubub. It's also why Russia had no problem taking or holding Crimea - it doesn't really have a strong national identity tying it to the rest of Ukraine.

 

[870EVO]

Not entirely. To make it short and avoid digging into ancient history, before the rise of Germany there were two major powers in the region: Russia, and the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth. The latter was made up of largely Poles and Ruthenians. Its heartland consisted of roughly the modern-day Lithuania, Poland, and Western Ukraine. This polity expanded eastward while Russia was embroiled in a civil war, tacking on the now-occupied eastern areas of Ukraine, which are ethnically distinct - the people there are Russians, not Ruthenians. This was their high water line - once Prussia rose to power and Germany began to coalesce as a single political entity, the Polish-Lithuanian commonwealth fell apart and was absorbed by nearby regional powers, mostly Russia & Germany. In WWII the Ruthenians and Poles spent a lot of time slaughtering one another, and then ended up both falling behind the Iron Curtain. Now they are once again warmly reunited in their schizo slav crusade against all things Russians.

Crimea is a completely different story. It was one of the last strongholds of the remnants of the Mongol Golden Horde (these people ended up being called 'Tatars'). The Russian empire genocided/relocated most of them (as they were wont to do) and took the peninsula, repopulating it with mostly Russians. During the Soviet era, it was attached to Ukraine (at that time an internal territory) in order to streamline administration, and the Russians were very upset to lose it after the fall of the Soviet Union, when the Ukraine ('borderlands') were split into their own country - including Crimea. which is very important to Russia strategically and has zero historical/cultural ties to the Ruthenian heartland. Ultimately that's the root of the whole conflict - kind of funny in a cosmic sense that some bored Soviet clerk editing lines on a map would end up causing such a hubub. It's also why Russia had no problem taking or holding Crimea - it doesn't really have a strong national identity tying it to the rest of Ukraine.

I imagine though over the past hundreds of years the line between Ruthenian/Pole and Russian is so blurred it's almost immaterial. So I suspect this is purely an ideological difference that seperates them.

 

[Mukhrani]

I imagine though over the past hundreds of years the line between Ruthenian/Pole and Russian is so blurred it's almost immaterial. So I suspect this is purely an ideological difference that seperates them.

They all speak different languages, and there are religious differences as well. Russians are Eastern Orthodox, Poles are Roman Catholic, and Ruthenians are in a large part Eastern Catholic. This wasn't hundreds of years ago either, Ruthenians and Poles were genociding each others' villages in Volhynia less than a century ago - during World War II there was ethnic tension and bad blood. The Ruthenian nationalists allied with the invading Nazis against the Soviets, and are still a very strong force in the west of the country.

And there hasn't been a lot of mixing - the Russian-speaking populations in eastern Ukraine and the Crimea are still largely distinct - what mixing there was largely took place in cosmopolitan places like Odessa. And any blurring has been rather sharply rolled back since an ethnic war has erupted. I think it's hard to understand among Westerners who often haven't even heard of 'Ruthenians' before, but they're a very aggrieved people with long ethnic grudges against their neighbors. There's not much of an ideological element to the conflict - it's 'we had an empire and a land, it was stolen from us, and now we want it back'. Basic geopolitics makes this a suicidal endeavor, which is why since the rise of Germany they've been serving as toadies or canon fodder to any power seeking to project power on the European Plain. In WWII this was the Nazis, now it's us.

 

[870EVO]

They all speak different languages, and there are religious differences as well. Russians are Eastern Orthodox, Poles are Roman Catholic, and Ruthenians are in a large part Eastern Catholic. This wasn't hundreds of years ago either, Ruthenians and Poles were genociding each others' villages in Volhynia less than a century ago - during World War II there was ethnic tension and bad blood. The Ruthenian nationalists allied with the invading Nazis against the Soviets, and are still a very strong force in the west of the country.

And there hasn't been a lot of mixing - the Russian-speaking populations in eastern Ukraine and the Crimea are still largely distinct - what mixing there was largely took place in cosmopolitan places like Odessa. And any blurring has been rather sharply rolled back since an ethnic war has erupted. I think it's hard to understand among Westerners who often haven't even heard of 'Ruthenians' before, but they're a very aggrieved people with long ethnic grudges against their neighbors. There's not much of an ideological element to the conflict - it's 'we had an empire and a land, it was stolen from us, and now we want it back'. Basic geopolitics makes this a suicidal endeavor, which is why since the rise of Germany they've been serving as toadies or canon fodder to any power seeking to project power on the European Plain. In WWII this was the Nazis, now it's us.

Well technically, we are the Nazis now.

 

[borsabil]

A deal was drafted involving the French, Americans, Brits and Germans

Putin confirmed to Bennet that there would be no assassination attempt on Zelensky and that he was no longer seeking to disarm Ukraine

In return Zelensky committed not to join NATO

Ukraine would be allowed to defend itself with a large army on condition that Russian speakers would be given autonomy in the Donbas and Russia's annexation of Crimea would be recognised.

The west, America, decided to block the deal, as they were certain sanctions would destroy Russia and they wanted to be rid of Putin. This is perhaps the greatest geo political fuck up since Munich. An absolute disaster for Ukraine and likely NATO. Western politicians are as arrogant as they are retarded

 

[870EVO]

The west, America, decided to block the deal, as they were certain sanctions would destroy Russia and they wanted to be rid of Putin. This is perhaps the greatest geo political fuck up since Munich. An absolute disaster for Ukraine and likely NATO. Western politicians are as arrogant as they are retarded

No it's actually quite logical. Let me lay it out for you. Though I'm not smart enough to explain all the details. The US is running a multi trillion dollar debtt. Now, the US should be a wasteland due to that right? No, thanks to processes and book-keeping I'm not versed in, and wars, and assassinations, the US dollar is the world reserve currency, so they can apparently due to this continue running this level of debt. Now, Russia has aligned with other countries forming BRICS. Russia has also developed a competitor to the international banking system SWIFT, called SPFS I think.

Now the US is being threatened by a possibility now, that there will be a new reserve currency. If this goes live, then the US loses it's sole reserve currency status, putting it's multi trillion dollar debt into risk.

Basiically, TLDR, They simply have to do this.

 

[JoseRaulChupacabra]

Ukraine is still losing though. How does that make you feel?
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Shit man, that's like pre-counter offensive Stalingrad levels.

 

[borsabil]

Ukraine is still losing though. How does that make you feel?
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The UK MOD begs to differ

https://twitter.com/DefenceHQ/status/1622843727298404353

There are 10 to the power of 78 atoms in the observable universe but this pales to nothing compared to the number of times the UK MOD has claimed Russia is running out of ammo.

Anyway there is no build up of Russian forces. Despite all evidence Ukraine is winning bigly. Even if they do manage to scrabble up some troops the most the Russians can manage is to throw themselves naked onto Ukrainian bayonets like a 19th century Zulu warrior.

No it's actually quite logical. Let me lay it out for you. Though I'm not smart enough to explain all the details. The US is running a multi trillion dollar debtt. Now, the US should be a wasteland due to that right? No, thanks to processes and book-keeping I'm not versed in, and wars, and assassinations, the US dollar is the world reserve currency, so they can apparently due to this continue running this level of debt. Now, Russia has aligned with other countries forming BRICS. Russia has also developed a competitor to the international banking system SWIFT, called SPFS I think.

Now the US is being threatened by a possibility now, that there will be a new reserve currency. If this goes live, then the US loses it's sole reserve currency status, putting it's multi trillion dollar debt into risk.

Basiically, TLDR, They simply have to do this.

The dollar reserve is a thing because the US is the only nation that has a navy in both major oceans and is a nuclear power. Losing to the Russians. and despite all the coming salt and cope a defeat in Ukraine is an L for them, will do more to undermine the petrodollar than any event since WW2.

I think the plan was to show the global south and Eurasia that western sanctions/economic punishments was still a guaranteed path to economic ruin. Secondly they wanted regime change in Moscow and to make Sevastopol an American port. This was a wildly ambitious, if not outright delusional set of objectives especially considering that NATO is in no position to challenge Russia militarily. The European militaries are a joke and the US is primarily a naval power, they don't have the capacity to fight a land war against a peer opponent. Once it was clear that economic sanctions weren't working they should have immediately sought a deal that would save face. I think they've at last recognised reality hence the recent signalling that they'll accept a settlement that will cede a quarter to a third of Ukraine to Russia in return for a deal, but it's too late for that now.

 

[Useful_Mistake]

I was mocking the vatnik for having his gloating over fake news idiocy deleted by the website.

I misunderstood then, my bad.

 

[870EVO]

The dollar reserve is a thing because the US is the only nation that has a navy in both major oceans and is a nuclear power. Losing to the Russians. and despite all the coming salt and cope a defeat in Ukraine is an L for them, will do more to undermine the petrodollar than any event since WW2.

Yes I forgot in financial circles. Merely losing market confidence in something can tank it.

 

[White_N]

I hate elites and journos so much
Here, listen to romantic story of of pseudokike finding his love before whoring his country out, and by the way here is massive graves that he achived. HATE. HATE

'Now you smile much less': Olena Zelenska posts touching 45th birthday message to husband Volodymyr calling him 'the same boy I met when we were 17'​

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...-45th-birthday-message-husband-Volodymyr.html