War Invasion of Ukraine News Megathread - Thread is only for articles and discussion of articles, general discussion thread is still in Happenings.

Status
Not open for further replies.
President Joe Biden on Tuesday said that the United States will impose sanctions “far beyond” the ones that the United States imposed in 2014 following the annexation of the Crimean peninsula.

“This is the beginning of a Russian invasion of Ukraine,” Biden said in a White House speech, signaling a shift in his administration’s position. “We will continue to escalate sanctions if Russia escalates,” he added.

Russian elites and their family members will also soon face sanctions, Biden said, adding that “Russia will pay an even steeper price” if Moscow decides to push forward into Ukraine. Two Russian banks and Russian sovereign debt will also be sanctioned, he said.

Also in his speech, Biden said he would send more U.S. troops to the Baltic states as a defensive measure to strengthen NATO’s position in the area.

Russia shares a border with Estonia, Latvia, and Lithuania.

A day earlier, Russian President Vladimir Putin ordered troops to go into the separatist Donetsk and Lugansk regions in eastern Ukraine after a lengthy speech in which he recognized the two regions’ independence.

Western powers decried the move and began to slap sanctions on certain Russian individuals, while Germany announced it would halt plans to go ahead with the Russia-to-Germany Nord Stream 2 pipeline.

At home, Biden is facing bipartisan pressure to take more extensive actions against Russia following Putin’s decision. However, a recent poll showed that a majority of Americans believe that sending troops to Ukraine is a “bad idea,” and a slim minority believes it’s a good one.

All 27 European Union countries unanimously agreed on an initial list of sanctions targeting Russian authorities, said French Foreign Minister Jean-Yves Le Drian, and EU foreign affairs head Josep Borell claimed the package “will hurt Russia … a lot.”

Earlier Tuesday, Borell asserted that Russian troops have already entered the Donbas region, which comprises Donetsk and Lugansk, which are under the control of pro-Russia groups since 2014.

And on Tuesday, the Russian Parliament approved a Putin-back plan to use military force outside of Russia’s borders as Putin further said that Russia confirmed it would recognize the expanded borders of Lugansk and Donetsk.

“We recognized the states,” the Russian president said. “That means we recognized all of their fundamental documents, including the constitution, where it is written that their [borders] are the territories at the time the two regions were part of Ukraine.”

Speaking to reporters on Tuesday, Putin said that Ukraine is “not interested in peaceful solutions” and that “every day, they are amassing troops in the Donbas.”

Meanwhile, Ukraine President Volodymyr Zelensky on Tuesday morning again downplayed the prospect of a Russian invasion and proclaimed: “There will be no war.”

“There will not be an all-out war against Ukraine, and there will not be a broad escalation from Russia. If there is, then we will put Ukraine on a war footing,” he said in a televised address.

The White House began to signal that they would shift their own position on whether it’s the start of an invasion.

“We think this is, yes, the beginning of an invasion, Russia’s latest invasion into Ukraine,” said Jon Finer, the White House deputy national security adviser in public remarks. “An invasion is an invasion and that is what is underway.”

For weeks, Western governments have been claiming Moscow would invade its neighbor after Russia gathered some 150,000 troops along the countries’ borders. They alleged that the Kremlin would attempt to come up with a pretext to attack, while some officials on Monday said Putin’s speech recognizing the two regions was just that.

But Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin told reporters Tuesday that Russia’s “latest invasion” of Ukraine is threatening stability in the region, but he asserted that Putin can “still avoid a full blown, tragic war of choice.”

Article
 
He thought he could do sweetheart deals with a handful of engineers to keep the Russian energy and defense sector going but he's now discovered that everything is interconnected and Russia's complete lack of a consumer electronics industry is fucking him.
Just as an aside, replace "Russia" with "Great Britain" and this feels awfully familiar...
 
Daily Mail on the newly defunct Gen Ulyanov whose existence was perhaps doubtful:


Serious enough, but there's likely plenty more where he came from.
Great news. I was fearing the US may have put pressure on Ukraine to stop targeting Generals for fear of escalation. I'm assuming a lot of long retired GOs were recalled to active duty to try to better coordinate such a surge in manpower as well as reconstitute losses.
 
Just as an aside, replace "Russia" with "Great Britain" and this feels awfully familiar...
After the 2nd world war, British industry was hamstrung by engineers/scientists and decent managers leaving the country for the US. Where it wasn't just a case they were better paid, but found their professions had a far higher status.
 
The Foreign Ministry handed a note to the US Embassy demanding not to interfere in the affairs of Russia

The Foreign Ministry handed over a note to the US Embassy demanding to stop interfering in the affairs of Russia

The Foreign Ministry demanded that the US Embassy stop interfering in the internal affairs of Russia, a source close to the leadership of the diplomatic department told RIA Novosti.

According to him, the corresponding official note was handed over to the American ambassador today. It states that, despite repeated warnings, the US diplomatic mission continues malicious activity in the information space, allows itself inappropriate statements about the leadership of Russia and spreads fakes about its Armed Forces.

"American diplomats were warned against attempts to carry out subversive work, recruiting "agents of influence" with the aim of sowing discord and discord in Russian society, inciting anti-state speeches," the agency's source said.
Diplomats involved in this will be expelled, regardless of their positions, he added.

The Foreign Ministry gave the new US Ambassador Lynn Tracy a tough message about the need to strictly comply with Russian laws and stop activities that run counter to Moscow's demands and the provisions of the Vienna Convention on Diplomatic Relations.

"The Russian side does not intend to put up with the rabid anti-Russian propaganda replicated by the information resources of the US Embassy, and intends to use all available means to neutralize it," the agency's interlocutor concluded.

Tracy was appointed US Ambassador to Russia late last year. She became the first woman in history to hold this position. On January 30, she visited the Foreign Ministry to present copies of her credentials. The official representative of the department, Maria Zakharova, expressed the hope that the new ambassador would take into account the mistakes of his predecessors and would not interfere in Russia's internal affairs.

 
Does this sound right to any eurofags here? That seems like too many dead NATO turds to be kept secret.
Complete bullshit.
The numbers that are put forth are retarded as shit.
it also claims that Ukraine have lost 302 aircrafts, when they before the war had around 200 aircraft in service.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ukrainian_Air_Force (yes, I know it is wikipedia, but they have source there on how many aircrafts their air force had)
That would mean that would have lost 150 % of their airforce.
There is also no other sources to back up their claim about that the Mossad said this shit.
Not Jerusalem post article etc.
To also answer your first question about those "dead" NATO troops, it would have been impossible to keep it secrets.
 
Complete bullshit.
The numbers that are put forth are retarded as shit.
it also claims that Ukraine have lost 302 aircrafts, when they before the war had around 200 aircraft in service.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ukrainian_Air_Force (yes, I know it is wikipedia, but they have source there on how many aircrafts their air force had)
That would mean that would have lost 150 % of their airforce.
There is also no other sources to back up their claim about that the Mossad said this shit.
Not Jerusalem post article etc.
To also answer your first question about those "dead" NATO troops, it would have been impossible to keep it secrets.
It ranks with Russian claims to have destroyed M1 Abrams with desert camo. Bad propaganda. Russia never established air superiority despite an apparent overwhelming advantage, which suggests a limited skill set either among commanders or pilots.
 
Complete bullshit.
The numbers that are put forth are retarded as shit.
it also claims that Ukraine have lost 302 aircrafts, when they before the war had around 200 aircraft in service.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ukrainian_Air_Force (yes, I know it is wikipedia, but they have source there on how many aircrafts their air force had)
That would mean that would have lost 150 % of their airforce.
There is also no other sources to back up their claim about that the Mossad said this shit.
Not Jerusalem post article etc.
To also answer your first question about those "dead" NATO troops, it would have been impossible to keep it secrets.
Not only that, there's also the issue of the Russian Aircraft losses being less than what we have visual confirmation of.
 
The official representative of the department, Maria Zakharova, expressed the hope that the new ambassador would take into account the mistakes of his predecessors and would not interfere in Russia's internal affairs.
Serious countries don't make statements like that. Lynn Tracey isn't some political donor that got rewarded with an ambassadorship. She's a career diplomat, with an extremely high profile. So on her first day, the Russian government tells their direct line to the US state department to go fuck herself. Then starts making demands.

On another note Germany have approved the delivery of 178 Leopard I tanks to Ukraine. Enough for an entire Armored division. This is from the country that was Russia's most important diplomatic ally up until a year ago (not that Russia even realised it)


The Leopard I is going to totally change things, even though they're old they're superior to even late model T-72's. They're perfect for being transported over distance by low loader or train, they're easily upgradable, and they're far easier to maintain.
 
Last edited:
Opinion article on how if Ukraine wins the war, it is in West interest to support pro democratises movement in Belarus.
It mention how Lukashenko grip of power is way weaker then Putins is and how Lukashenko is very carful with not commiting any troops to the war.
snipet from the article:
In all this, Putin has supported Lukashenko. Without Putin’s backing, Lukashenko would likely not still be in power. Even though the two leaders reportedly don’t like each other, they have been co-dependent for years. Putin does not want to see his fellow autocrats bounced from power as a result of popular movements. Hence his support for the likes of Lukashenko and Syria’s Bashar al-Assad.

Over the years, Lukashenko has sacrificed Belarus’s sovereignty and independence to Moscow to remain in Putin’s good graces. Though Lukashenko has not fulfilled some of the terms of a 1999 agreement between Russia and Belarus to officially form a union state—signed before Putin assumed the presidency—Russia has for all intents and purposes absorbed and annexed large parts of Belarus. This has left Lukashenko little choice but to allow Russian forces to use Belarusian territory to stage their invasion of Ukraine, including those who were involved in the atrocities in the Ukrainian city of Bucha.
 
Looks like Russians can't stop worshiping Stalin:


It's so funny that Russiaboos keep trying to differentiate modern Russia from the USSR, acting as if the modern Russians aren't fucking Commie-lovers taking orders from a KGB agent. Well, here's concrete proof that they never left the Stalinist era. They've been worshiping Stalin for some time (even before the war, many Russians saw Stalin as a necessary evil to drive off Hitler) and now, they just went full Commieboo and cosplayed as the Soviet Union to celebrate the Battle of Stalingrad, all the while whining that they were once again fighting German tanks with crosses on their sides.
 
Because a third party unilaterally handing someone else's territory over to a belligerent has never, ever gone bad anywhere in the world or at any time in history. Nope. Not once.
The saddest part is if the Allies had stood up for Czechslovakia in 1938, Hitler would have been done for and the nightmare that followed would have been avoided. The country was a literal fortress with one of the largest, most modern militaries in Europe but the Allies sold them out for "peace in our time".

And then did it again with the invasion of Poland when they sat on their asses rather than attack the completely depleted German forces on the Western Front.
 
Opinion article on how if Ukraine wins the war, it is in West interest to support pro democratises movement in Belarus.
It mention how Lukashenko grip of power is way weaker then Putins is and how Lukashenko is very carful with not commiting any troops to the war.
snipet from the article:

I dunno I feel that if Ukraine wins lukashenko will fall all on his own, Russia is propping him up massively and intervention could be seen as the same shit Russia was doing but from a different direction.
 
I dunno I feel that if Ukraine wins lukashenko will fall all on his own, Russia is propping him up massively and intervention could be seen as the same shit Russia was doing but from a different direction.
Lukashenko is a far better administrator than Putin. He's also been more focused on maintaining living standards among the population than Putin has. Belarusian GDP is officially 60% higher than Russia, in reality it's even higher because there aren't huge equality gaps.
 
Lukashenko is a far better administrator than Putin. He's also been more focused on maintaining living standards among the population than Putin has. Belarusian GDP is officially 60% higher than Russia, in reality it's even higher because there aren't huge equality gaps.
Lukashenko is cunning enough tho he seems an insane larper, not legitimately elected, and represser of Belarus language. Putin probably wanted Belarussian troops to mobilise in some way, maybe for rear area duties (which free up battle effectives) if they wouldn't be over willing to fight hard and Luka might see himself as the next Tsar / Gen Secretary.
 
Lukashenko is a far better administrator than Putin. He's also been more focused on maintaining living standards among the population than Putin has. Belarusian GDP is officially 60% higher than Russia, in reality it's even higher because there aren't huge equality gaps.
In terms of perceived corruption, Belarus ranks 82nd and Russia ranks 136th...that makes an enormous difference.
 
The saddest part is if the Allies had stood up for Czechslovakia in 1938, Hitler would have been done for and the nightmare that followed would have been avoided. The country was a literal fortress with one of the largest, most modern militaries in Europe but the Allies sold them out for "peace in our time".

And then did it again with the invasion of Poland when they sat on their asses rather than attack the completely depleted German forces on the Western Front.

TBF on Poland, the allies - militarily - were completely fucked in 1939. No one had the arms, or means to transport them, to fight a re-armed Germany.
Modernization programs had begun but they wouldn't bear their fruit for a few years WITH war-time retasking. Its easy to look back in retrospect and know that was the moment, but all France and Britain saw was a USSR/Germany team up they were not even close to being able to take on. (Don't forget in the 1900s, and then again in the 1930s, Germany was a swing nation playing the UK and Russia off each other, and was a vital trading partner for both).

The Sudetenland however was 100% cucking. Germany still had airborne and weapon advantages, and probably could have successfully invaded, but the Czech primary defensive line would have chewed up Germany, bad. And if Czechoslovakia hadn't been forced to cuck under, Austria - no matter how amenable to German messaging - wouldn't have switched.

However after showing how he was able to completely outplay western europe, all the eastern european powers saw Hitler as a strong, clever, capable leader to unite behind.
 
The thing that's fucked Russia for the last 30 years is emigration. The historian Stephen Kotkin has pointed out that something like 40% of Russia's top earners live abroad. I'm not talking about oligarchs, but professionals, engineers, scientists, Doctors, business people. My local panel beaters are Russians, and are the best in the area.

This has suited Putin, because having all the dynamic energetic people leave the country makes it easier for him to run Russia as a Kleptocracy.

He thought he could do sweetheart deals with a handful of engineers to keep the Russian energy and defense sector going but he's now discovered that everything is interconnected and Russia's complete lack of a consumer electronics industry is fucking him.

He can't put decent officers in charge of units larger than a brigade because he knows the first thing any competent patriotic officer would do is start planning to get rid of him. He tried to build up units like the VDV on a micro level, but then a hack general had them do a daytime drop against a defended position.

He is not going to win this war, the west has already made clear that they're going to keep flooding Ukraine with weapons. If he was to win some small victory tomorrow against Ukraine all that would happen is that the west would increase the supply, and Germany would suddenly discover a couple of hundred Leopard tanks that were in fact perfectly serviceable.

Putin is a dumb mother fucker, who enjoyed doing shit that humiliates the west while bringing absolutely no benefits to Russia. Such as the Skripal poisoning, or making Germany twist itself into knots over NORD 2 and the supply of gas. Well now they've had enough of him, know that it's pointless to try and negotiate with him, and are going to make him bleed.

He's even made the few allies he's got left in Europe such as Hungary and Austria look like arseholes. A pro Russian country like Serbia knows it's a waste of time to rely on them as an ally. Also the way Russia sold out Armenia, forcing them to basically beg and sign away their sovereignty to get Russian help hasn't gone unnoticed on the world stage.

Putin is a 2nd rate security hack, that people projected their own fantasies of a nationalist leader onto.
Sounds pretty similar to what happens in Mexico via immigration. The smart people who could actually change things get the fuck out of that shithole. The poor also leave illegally which means pressure never builds up and problems like government corruption never get solved. Paradise for corrupt bastards in power.

If the Republicans had any brains they'd offer to fund and supply Ukraine on the condition Zelensky cleans up corruption, and by that I mean he hands over every single person and piece of info regarding Burisma, Hunter, and Joe Biden. Watergate the fucker. Then if any feds start pushing that "quid pro quo" shit immediately probe into their finances and I bet you'll find some dirty dealings with Russian oligarchs.
 
Last edited:
TBF on Poland, the allies - militarily - were completely fucked in 1939. No one had the arms, or means to transport them, to fight a re-armed Germany.
Modernization programs had begun but they wouldn't bear their fruit for a few years WITH war-time retasking. Its easy to look back in retrospect and know that was the moment, but all France and Britain saw was a USSR/Germany team up they were not even close to being able to take on. (Don't forget in the 1900s, and then again in the 1930s, Germany was a swing nation playing the UK and Russia off each other, and was a vital trading partner for both).

The Sudetenland however was 100% cucking. Germany still had airborne and weapon advantages, and probably could have successfully invaded, but the Czech primary defensive line would have chewed up Germany, bad. And if Czechoslovakia hadn't been forced to cuck under, Austria - no matter how amenable to German messaging - wouldn't have switched.

However after showing how he was able to completely outplay western europe, all the eastern european powers saw Hitler as a strong, clever, capable leader to unite behind.
Czechoslovakia had a sophisticated government that maintained good relations with the Soviet Union, their plan was to get Soviet aid via Poland. So Soviet Troops fighting Germans but with strong German and Czech armies also in standing, to keep them honest. Also a Polish alliance would probably have brought in Romania, which in turn would have allowed access to the black sea and British French support.

Poland was essentially a military dictatorship run by Rydz-Śmigły who was a very limited guy who did not understand wider geopolitics. He was only there because Pilsudski had purged the Polish army of it's best officers in the 1920's. When he made a deal with Germany to annexe Bohumín from Czechoslovakia, he genuinely couldn't understand why France and Britain reacted so negatively. The Polish ultimatum to Czechoslovakia isn't talked about much now, but it explains a lot about the French and British attitude to Poland when they were invaded (also didn't help that Churchills advisor on Poland, was a Polish Jew who despised Poland)

Czechoslovakia was extremely defensible in 1938, and the smarter British commentators lamented the fact that they sold out the country with a strong military, that had natural strongpoints, and was also a functioning democracy... then a year later went to war on behalf of a military dictatorship that ruled over a country that was essentially a flat open plain.
 
Status
Not open for further replies.
Back