r/antiwork - Yes, it's exactly what it sounds like.

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How will society function without jobs?


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Regardless of what it was, it was getting popular quickly and our social engineers in government are terrified of grass roots movements that can disturb the status quo and affect their paycheck.

That doesn't make any sense. Why would they be terrified of a bunch of NEET shutins that don't vote?

It doesn't matter if it was "getting popular quickly," said social engineers would have no reason to be terrified of it. All they'd have to do is just let it run its course.

The elite are not subverting leftist movements with identity politics or anything like that, the leftists in question are that fucking dumb to do that to themselves. Identity politics has been around since the 60s and 70s with the SDS and Weather Underground.
 
It's the opposite, the mods were originally worthless communist NEETs like the dog-walker, then it got flooded by more reasonable people who misunderstood what the sub was about and got what they deserved for sane-washing the insane.
I still don't understand how supporters of Antiwork could say "oh it doesn't REALLY mean antiwork". Outside of the motte and bailey, it even says in the sidebar straight up - they want to end work for everyone, not just the wealthy. Must be cognitive dissonance and a severe lack of reading comprehension.

They also banned anyone who posted on r/stupidpol a while back, so any of the goobers who went there to try and do apologia for Antiwork probably got a bit of a rude awakening.
 
Regardless of what it was, it was getting popular quickly and our social engineers in government are terrified of grass roots movements that can disturb the status quo and affect their paycheck.

grass roots movement

Pick only one. Anticapitalism is an aesthetic that sells pretty well right now, particularly among unsuccessful men 18-40. It's why dumbass leftists are gushing over the Star Wars Andor show, Squid Games, and season 3 of The Boys. I've seen the unironic take that the Boys season 3 is Rosa Luxemburg's Reform or Revolution in TV form. When I consoom product I help bring about the revoluwution!

I just want to point out how fucking common the 'I quit my job and now I make $5135/hr. working from home' shit is on that subreddit:

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Listen: I know that changing jobs is a good way to get promoted and increase your income. But to see this many people repeat it, while making it sound trivially easy and universally applicable, and saying they're increasing their income by 45-300(!)% is really fucking suspicious. There's only the smallest amount of pushback:

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Pick only one. Anticapitalism is an aesthetic that sells pretty well right now, particularly among unsuccessful men 18-40. It's why dumbass leftists are gushing over the Star Wars Andor show, Squid Games, and season 3 of The Boys. I've seen the unironic take that the Boys season 3 is Rosa Luxemburg's Reform or Revolution in TV form. When I consoom product I help bring about the revoluwution!

I just want to point out how fucking common the 'I quit my job and now I make $5135/hr. working from home' shit is on that subreddit:

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Listen: I know that changing jobs is a good way to get promoted and increase your income. But to see this many people repeat it, while making it sound trivially easy and universally applicable, and saying they're increasing their income by 45-300(!)% is really fucking suspicious. There's only the smallest amount of pushback:

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You’re making the mistake of assuming the spooks in government are smart or even socially aware. They’re fucking mindless reactionaries who saw a Occupy Wallstreet 2.0 in the making and intervened. There’s receipts in this thread that show the subreddit used to talk about legitimate working class issues, and as soon as it got too big new mods were installed and it became all idpol and pajeet marketing. I don’t care how much you hate Reddit because it’s clouding your judgement. It’s the perfect tool to coordinate large amounts of people and that is threatening to the lizard people in government.
 
You’re making the mistake of assuming the spooks in government are smart or even socially aware. They’re fucking mindless reactionaries who saw a Occupy Wallstreet 2.0 in the making and intervened. There’s receipts in this thread that show the subreddit used to talk about legitimate working class issues, and as soon as it got too big new mods were installed and it became all idpol and pajeet marketing. I don’t care how much you hate Reddit because it’s clouding your judgement. It’s the perfect tool to coordinate large amounts of people and that is threatening to the lizard people in government.
No, this thread shows they started off as a bunch of lazy anarcho-commie whining about how the concept of work was foisted on us by evil capitalists, then attracted the crowd you speak of who pointed out legitimate problems with work, wages, and businesses. However, this pissed off the jannies (like dog walker troon) and the subplebbit's original userbase so they mostly just spent their time arguing about how awful it would be to work even if work had extremely generous conditions since that's just "reformism" and capitalism can't be reformed, only abolished. Any discussion of working with Republicans on certain issues, how businesses pose as antiracist/pro-gay but don't care about those communities, or ending outsourcing industry to China/low-wage countries etc. was shouted down as fascist subversion.
 
You’re making the mistake of assuming the spooks in government are smart or even socially aware. They’re fucking mindless reactionaries who saw a Occupy Wallstreet 2.0 in the making and intervened. There’s receipts in this thread that show the subreddit used to talk about legitimate working class issues, and as soon as it got too big new mods were installed and it became all idpol and pajeet marketing. I don’t care how much you hate Reddit because it’s clouding your judgement. It’s the perfect tool to coordinate large amounts of people and that is threatening to the lizard people in government.
So when the DSA had their laughably bad convention, which they filmed and put online for the world to watch and mock, where were the three letters spooks involved in that?

Did they trick the DSA into becoming a farce of what it once was? Or where they on the inside and tricked them into posting the cringe? Or was everyone that found the videos hilarious part of the conspiracy?
 
But to see this many people repeat it, while making it sound trivially easy and universally applicable, and saying they're increasing their income by 45-300(!)% is really fucking suspicious.
The jump will always be big if one goes from fast food wage slave ($7.25 an hour) to bottom-tier office worker ($14.50 an hour).
 
The jump will always be big if one goes from fast food wage slave ($7.25 an hour) to bottom-tier office worker ($14.50 an hour).
Even if it is a lateral move, changing jobs gives you a fresh opportunity to negotiate a salary. When entering a field for the first time, you take what you can get and are always lowballed salary. Once you get job experience, marketable skills, and a proper baseline of how much you should be making, the second salary negotiation goes a lot better.
 
Pick only one. Anticapitalism is an aesthetic that sells pretty well right now, particularly among unsuccessful men 18-40. It's why dumbass leftists are gushing over the Star Wars Andor show, Squid Games, and season 3 of The Boys. I've seen the unironic take that the Boys season 3 is Rosa Luxemburg's Reform or Revolution in TV form. When I consoom product I help bring about the revoluwution!

I just want to point out how fucking common the 'I quit my job and now I make $5135/hr. working from home' shit is on that subreddit:

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Listen: I know that changing jobs is a good way to get promoted and increase your income. But to see this many people repeat it, while making it sound trivially easy and universally applicable, and saying they're increasing their income by 45-300(!)% is really fucking suspicious. There's only the smallest amount of pushback:

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I went from 17/hr to 29/hr with a lateral move. It's not super common but it's not the impossibility you're making it out to be.
 
He’s got a point though, just made in a really whiny way that only a commie knows how. Pay rises have been detached from inflation since about the 70’s. Corporate income has slowly been funnelled away from workers and into the pockets of establishment goons for 50 years and the amount is only increasing every year. You could afford a house on one income not long ago but now both parents need to work to support a family and a roof over their heads. There’s no one else to blame except for governments that change laws and regulations to benefit their buddies in the private sector while they get rich off insider trading and corporate kickbacks. The common man is getting fucked by their governments, corporations are only taking advantage of laws that are rigged in their favour, anyone would do the same. These pinkos blame capitalism all the while worshipping the governments that continue to fuck them with rules like lockdowns which facilitated the biggest wealth transfer in history during the pandemic. It’s short-sighted and their anger is misplaced.
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TL;DR Boomers used to make $102 an hour as minimum wage for unskilled labor. The sad truth is, at least in the US, society just isn't that prosperous anymore
 
You know. if the 5 day work week does turn into a 4 day work week I can't wait to see the people who championed for it complain how 8-hour work days become 12-hour work days. That's what would happen unless the hourly raise is "risen" to balance it out.
That would be a good thing IMO. I can understand the 8 hour workday in the context of the heavy physical labor done a century ago, but today the average job could be 10 or 12 hours no problem. A 4 day workweek is objectively good since it gives workers more days off so less commuting to work which means less traffic, less fuel cost, and less vehicle wear which means a lot of savings.
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TL;DR Boomers used to make $102 an hour as minimum wage for unskilled labor. The sad truth is, at least in the US, society just isn't that prosperous anymore
That's distorting the facts. Cost of living is higher now because modern technology like smartphones is more expensive to produce and also because the US is so much more populated and urbanized and there's only a limited amount of land near urban centers to reside in (in part because of environmentalist movements since 1972). Very few boomers live like they did in the early 70s, let alone their children and grandchildren, because we have so much more.

But it is indeed true that the early 70s (1973 exactly) is when wages for the average worker peaked, and the solution for the (natural) recession in the 70s was union-busting, mass outsourcing of labor, and free trade agreements with nations like Japan (to say nothing about South Korea, China, etc. who don't even have Japanese-level quality in their products).
 
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TL;DR Boomers used to make $102 an hour as minimum wage for unskilled labor. The sad truth is, at least in the US, society just isn't that prosperous anymore
That's comically wrong. Inflation is over measured because it doesn't account for substitutes. Imagine you go to the store in 2021 and see that Miller Lite is selling for $20 for a 24 pack, and Bud Light is selling for $20 dollars for a 24 pack. You marginally prefer Bud Light to Miller, so you purchase a case of Bud. A year later, it's 2022, and Bud Light now costs $22 dollars for the same 24 pack whereas Miller has stayed the same for $20 so you choose to buy the Miller. The inflation on the basket of goods has risen by 10%, but your utility only marginally diminished at an inflation rate of 0%.

Also lmao at them using an inflation metric that was replaced 30 years ago
 
Bullshit lol. Look at the janny's writing style, trying to sound all official and shit. Starting his wall of text with a fucking disclaimer as if it's not obvious that what he's about to say is only his opinion. He does it for the feeling of power. Jannies love pressing the delete button on other people's shit.

"I'd take payment for it if offered", yeah, it never will be and you will continue doing it for free.
 
That would be a good thing IMO. I can understand the 8 hour workday in the context of the heavy physical labor done a century ago, but today the average job could be 10 or 12 hours no problem. A 4 day workweek is objectively good since it gives workers more days off so less commuting to work which means less traffic, less fuel cost, and less vehicle wear which means a lot of savings.

That's distorting the facts. Cost of living is higher now because modern technology like smartphones is more expensive to produce and also because the US is so much more populated and urbanized and there's only a limited amount of land near urban centers to reside in (in part because of environmentalist movements since 1972). Very few boomers live like they did in the early 70s, let alone their children and grandchildren, because we have so much more.

But it is indeed true that the early 70s (1973 exactly) is when wages for the average worker peaked, and the solution for the (natural) recession in the 70s was union-busting, mass outsourcing of labor, and free trade agreements with nations like Japan (to say nothing about South Korea, China, etc. who don't even have Japanese-level quality in their products).
As a guy in the physical labor market, the 5 day, 40 hour work week makes sense for  most jobs in the industry. It allows you to keep pace with demand if you're in a factory while still allowing for weekends off, you qualify for full time benifits, and even if you arent in a factory, say a welding shop that makes custom cars with a small crew, you aren't looked at as a slacker among your peers. 4 day work weeks may work for some sectors with heavy automation like tech and buisness, not industrial. Things need to be made.
 
As a guy in the physical labor market, the 5 day, 40 hour work week makes sense for  most jobs in the industry. It allows you to keep pace with demand if you're in a factory while still allowing for weekends off, you qualify for full time benifits, and even if you arent in a factory, say a welding shop that makes custom cars with a small crew, you aren't looked at as a slacker among your peers. 4 day work weeks may work for some sectors with heavy automation like tech and buisness, not industrial. Things need to be made.
And it must be repeated: heavy labor needs to be better distributed. Even 2 more hours a day is hard on the body, even if you get another full day of recuperation. Being expected to be on one's feet for nearly half a day is killer on the body, and if's a big reason I turned down work at distribution centers offering “high wages for 10 hour shifts.”
 
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