The Holocaust Thread - The Great Debate Between Affirmers, Revisionists and Deniers

[Chugger]

It was a yes or no question, do you believe in Bigfoot?

I don't know, I haven't looked into the evidentiary case.

Look if you don't have evidence of bigfoot resettlement, the only possibility is that millions of them got gassed by the europeans as they colonized the americas.

Is there evidence millions of them existed beforehand, then lots of documents and witness testimony evidencing a genocide (including mass gassing) against them? It's not that complicated lol

 

[Bonesjones]

I don't know, I haven't looked into the evidentiary case.


Is there evidence millions of them existed beforehand, then lots of documents and witness testimony evidencing a genocide (including mass gassing) against them? It's not that complicated lol

Good news you don't have to, you said eye witness testimony and documentary evidence existing is enough. So all you have to do is answer yes or no.

Its not that complicated lol.

 

[Chugger]

Good news you don't have to, you said eye witness testimony and documentary evidence existing is enough. So all you have to do is answer yes or no.

Its not that complicated lol.

Where did I say a single document or testimony, or even a handful, would suffice to demonstrate a vast historical event? You could spend years going through all the evidence that exists for the Holocaust.

 

[Bonesjones]

Where did I say a single document or testimony, or even a handful, would suffice to demonstrate a vast historical event? You could spend years going through all the evidence that exists for the Holocaust.

Again you dodge, it's ok. We all know you've backed yourself into an unassailable corner here, yet again.

 

[Lemmingwiser]

Is there evidence millions of them existed beforehand, then lots of documents and witness testimony evidencing a genocide (including mass gassing) against them? It's not that complicated lol

Lots of documents evidencing mass gassing

 

[Chugger]

Lots of documents evidencing mass gassing

I didn't say there were lots specifically pertaining to mass gassing. I might ballpark it at 20-30. I think any document outlining ongoing genocide or intentions strengthens that hypothesis however.

 

[Lemmingwiser]

I didn't say there were lots specifically pertaining to mass gassing. I might ballpark it at 20-30. I think any document outlining ongoing genocide or intentions strengthens that hypothesis however.

There already is a lot of witness testimony for the existence of big foot.

All I need is 20 documents outlining intentions to kill them them and that then suddenly proves not only that they died, but also the method of killing was mass gassing.

Anything to "strengthen" the "hypothesis".

 

[mrolonzo]

I didn't say there were lots specifically pertaining to mass gassing. I might ballpark it at 20-30. I think any document outlining ongoing genocide or intentions strengthens that hypothesis however.

There are 20 to 30 documents evidencing mass gassing? In Auschwitz?

Anyways, these reams, this mountain, what is the majority of it made of?

 

[Chugger]

All I need is 20 documents outlining intentions to kill them them and that then suddenly proves not only that they died, but also the method of killing was mass gassing.

No there are hundreds of documents outlining genocidal practice and intentions. Specifically pertaining to gassing would be 20-30 documents + hundreds of witness statements and confessions + non-coerced confessions (eg in the eavesdropped recordings of German military Irving found in British archives or in Eichmann's pre-capture Argentina material which Irving also vouches for) + wartime sources + other suspicious things about all these camps which I have detailed exhaustively in this thread. An example here would be crematoria labor force reports, which have a thousand Jews working day and night for months at the crema to deal with what? the graph @mrolonzo vouched for previously specifies on average less than 100 deaths per day after the typhus outbreak in 42, and no Jews (which he does not bat an eye at)

and we can contrast that to the zero evidence for the revisionist hypothesis, which is mass internment in German occupied USSR.

Anyways, these reams, this mountain, what is the majority of it made of?

the reams you mention would be in reference to the large amount of evidence concerning resettled Jews in Romanian occupied USSR, so I have no idea what you're talking about

 

[Bonesjones]

Its ok Chugger, just tell us you believe in Bigfoot. No one will judge you.

 

[Chugger]

Its ok Chugger, just tell us you believe in Bigfoot. No one will judge you.

I don't believe in Bigfoot, though I should say this is provisional. Basically I haven't looked into it and am just going with the academic/scientific consensus. This is not the ideal way to investigate a subject, but what can I do? I don't have unlimited time.

 

[Bonesjones]

I don't believe in Bigfoot, though I should say this is provisional. Basically I haven't looked into it and am just going with the academic/scientific consensus. This is not the ideal way to investigate a subject, but what can I do? I don't have unlimited time.

Weird how you have unlimited time to post here but not enough time to not post and read things for yourself. Maybe start with that and circle back in a week or month?

 

[mrolonzo]

No there are hundreds of documents outlining genocidal practice and intentions. Specifically pertaining to gassing would be 20-30 documents + hundreds of witness statements and confessions + non-coerced confessions (eg in the eavesdropped recordings of German military Irving found in British archives or in Eichmann's pre-capture Argentina material which Irving also vouches for) + wartime sources + other suspicious things about all these camps which I have detailed exhaustively in this thread. An example here would be crematoria labor force reports, which have a thousand Jews working day and night for months at the crema to deal with what? the graph @mrolonzo vouched for previously specifies on average less than 100 deaths per day after the typhus outbreak in 42, and no Jews (which he does not bat an eye at)

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and we can contrast that to the zero evidence for the revisionist hypothesis, which is mass internment in German occupied USSR.


the reams you mention would be in reference to the large amount of evidence concerning resettled Jews in Romanian occupied USSR, so I have no idea what you're talking about

The graph seems to show that in Aug 41 there were some 8000 total dead for that month. 5000 that month being jews. Agree or am I missing something?

In any case I refer you to these threads which you are likely very familiar with;

Simple challenge to bombsaway on alleged physical "evidence of a genocidal program"

The CODOH Revisionist Forum: Holocaust Revisionism and WWII Revisionism Discussion / the time for honesty has come.

forum.codoh.com

The case of Transnistria: resettlement and survival of Jews in Occupied USSR

The CODOH Revisionist Forum: Holocaust Revisionism and WWII Revisionism Discussion / the time for honesty has come.

forum.codoh.com

Weird how you have unlimited time to post here but not enough time to not post and read things for yourself. Maybe start with that and circle back in a week or month?

Be reasonable Bones, he's very busy these days, check the links out.

 

[Chugger]

Weird how you have unlimited time to post here but not enough time to not post and read things for yourself. Maybe start with that and circle back in a week or month?

Do I have to learn about all the major cryptids or is Bigfoot enough?

The graph seems to show that in Aug 41 there were some 8000 total dead for that month. 5000 that month being jews. Agree or am I missing something?

I said " the graph @mrolonzo vouched for previously specifies on average less than 100 deaths per day after the typhus outbreak in 42," the crema labor force reports I referenced come after this period

n any case I refer you to these threads which you are likely very familiar with;

https://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=14850&start=60

The case of Transnistria: resettlement and survival of Jews in Occupied USSR

The CODOH Revisionist Forum: Holocaust Revisionism and WWII Revisionism Discussion / the time for honesty has come.

forum.codoh.com

I'm not sure what you think these threads prove. It seems the poster Bombsaway raised good points about archeological research at the camp and the Krege report (which is a pie in the face for revisionists). Bombsaway's last post in the physical evidence thread is unanswered https://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=14850&start=60#p108101

As for the Transnistria thread, no one there seemed to engage with the topic, or offer an answer to the fundamental question, 'why is there so much evidence for the Transnistrian resettlement but nothing for the much larger resettlement of Polish Jews in 42/43?'

 

[mrolonzo]

Do I have to learn about all the major cryptids or is Bigfoot enough?


I said " the graph @mrolonzo vouched for previously specifies on average less than 100 deaths per day after the typhus outbreak in 42," the crema labor force reports I referenced come after this period


I'm not sure what you think these threads prove. It seems the poster Bombsaway raised good points about archeological research at the camp and the Krege report (which is a pie in the face for revisionists). Bombsaway's last post in the physical evidence thread is unanswered https://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=14850&start=60#p108101

As for the Transnistria thread, no one there seemed to engage with the topic, or offer an answer to the fundamental question, 'why is there so much evidence for the Transnistrian resettlement but nothing for the much larger resettlement of Polish Jews in 42/43?'

Right ok. So deaths drop dramatically but cremations are still ongoing. Possible explanation; a back log.

Got another?


Just pointing out where the arguments have been fully displayed. The thread does answer it.

But why do you think there is "so much evidence " for x but not for y Chugger? To the extent that this true . What do you conclude here?

 

[Lemmingwiser]

Specifically pertaining to gassing would be 20-30 documents

Which documents are these?

 

[Lemmingwiser]

In other news, the highest politicians in the Netherlands are now calling a projection on the Anne Frank house antisemitism. Jewish organisations are calling it a form of holocaust denial.

The projection said "Anne Frank, inventor of the ballpen".

Is that statement a form of holocaust denial, kiwifarmers?

 

[Chugger]

Right ok. So deaths drop dramatically but cremations are still ongoing. Possible explanation; a back log.

They were still cremating bodies from the Typhus epidemic in 1942 in 1944? For the entire summer of 1944 pretty much (that's when the crema workforce hits 1000 per day). I don't think this explanation is going to convince people.

Just pointing out where the arguments have been fully displayed. The thread does answer it.

I don't think so. Why don't you link to a post in the thread that answers the fundamental question?

But why do you think there is "so much evidence " for x but not for y Chugger?

I think you know exactly why I think this (I'm giving you some credit here)

Which documents are these?

You can start here and here

 

[Bonesjones]

Aww he's back on gassing vans. I like how the fifth document describes them rounding up and shooting people, and that's not enough they gassed them directly after. See it's totally a codeword for murder and definitely not delousing.

Not only are jews made of wood, they are actually invulnerable to bullets. No wonder they had to gas them, they might be werewolves as well.

 

[870EVO]

I've been watching you guys fight for pages about the details. I tend to take a step back and view things from a wider perspective.

According to the historical records, there were allied mass rapes by soldiers once Berlin was taken. Most of this was pinned on the Soviets. However, the Americans and others were exposed to the same wartime propaganda. So I expect it happened on the same scale on the Western side. Just hushed up because the West needed the moral highground for Nuremburg.

Secondly. What happened to a good number of high level Nazis after the war?



If that can happen, if they are capable of that. Then I certainly believe the West can be capable of manufacturing a Holocaust narrative. But you'll really never able to put any doubt into the wider population. The Holocaust is virtually an industry now.