Favourite "Old Internet" stuff - Let's reminisce about the Wild West days

Mid to late 2000s YouTube was such a boon of creativity. You've got these great fan music tracks made by people and then you go onto their channel and see that they haven't posted in years (even decades) now. It kinda makes you wonder where did they go and take all of their creativity to?
 
Well, shit. I was reading about all the old browser games that have disappeared and I started to remember playing a game called Ponystars way back in the day. Basically, you bred, raised and decorated colourful cartoon ponies. It was so nice and... soft. Very comfortable to play. The graphics made me all nostalgic for when I was a wee lass watching My Little Pony, and it was such a pleasant game to play. There were things like auctions and such, and special ponies called glitches that were prized and bred, and all sorts of pretty costumes and backgrounds you could put on your ponies. This was way back around 2008. Then there was a huge site revamp. The interface was redesigned, the graphics were mauled, all the characters and costumes converted and the breeding mechanisms completely rewritten. Crucially for many people, including myself, the glitch ponies disappeared. The glitch breeding had a very devoted fanbase and some of them spent a lot of time working out the mathematical equations. A pony's colour was determined by its RGB values, and some people figured out how to seriously fuck with these values, resulting in a seemingly random colour, that would in turn breed a completely random coloured baby. After breeding your ponies, you had to wait a week for them to be born and another week for them to be adults and have their final colours. The game was cute and completely inoffensive. I think in the two or three years I played it I had maybe two people snap at me, and that was because I'd made some newbie mistake.

After the redesign, the interest just wasn't there anymore. I moved on with my life.

Now, during the heyday of Ponystars there were persistent allegations that the makers of Ponystars were stealing character designs from a similar game made by a much smaller company, by name of Pony Island. These allegations were completely true, and the makers and community of Pony Island were understandably pissed about this, but because Ponystars was fucking huge they just didn't have the coin to take them to court.

It's so sad but you couldn't have a game like this in the modern day. There were minimal safeguards for the children playing the game, because the developers thought (not unreasonably) that adults wouldn't want to play at all. It eventually grew a sizable amount of players of all ages, and everyone just chilled together. Today the bronies would be a problem certainly, but the biggest problem by far would be that trannies and paedophiles (is there a difference?) would take over the whole thing and just turn it into groomer central. Funnily enough, that's what eventually killed it. Turns out that Ponystars was in violation of the US COPPA Act for four years, as it was collecting children's data, allowing children to register on the website and post their personal information without their parents' consent or supervision.

Oh dear.

In 2010, Ponystars disappeared from the internet apparently with very little notice. The original game that Ponystars was based on was a French game called Poneyvallee. Poneyvallee limped on until 2020, by all accounts increasingly buggy and neglected, until the death of Flash Player in 2020 killed it for good.

Goodbye, Ponystars.

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Incidentally, it turns out that Pony Island is still running. Might have to check it out.


Sorry, I didn't mean to write a mini essay on this. It just kind of happened. My source for most of this information is here on Twitter.
 
Well, shit. I was reading about all the old browser games that have disappeared and I started to remember playing a game called Ponystars way back in the day. Basically, you bred, raised and decorated colourful cartoon ponies. It was so nice and... soft. Very comfortable to play. The graphics made me all nostalgic for when I was a wee lass watching My Little Pony, and it was such a pleasant game to play. There were things like auctions and such, and special ponies called glitches that were prized and bred, and all sorts of pretty costumes and backgrounds you could put on your ponies. This was way back around 2008. Then there was a huge site revamp. The interface was redesigned, the graphics were mauled, all the characters and costumes converted and the breeding mechanisms completely rewritten. Crucially for many people, including myself, the glitch ponies disappeared. The glitch breeding had a very devoted fanbase and some of them spent a lot of time working out the mathematical equations. A pony's colour was determined by its RGB values, and some people figured out how to seriously fuck with these values, resulting in a seemingly random colour, that would in turn breed a completely random coloured baby. After breeding your ponies, you had to wait a week for them to be born and another week for them to be adults and have their final colours. The game was cute and completely inoffensive. I think in the two or three years I played it I had maybe two people snap at me, and that was because I'd made some newbie mistake.

After the redesign, the interest just wasn't there anymore. I moved on with my life.

Now, during the heyday of Ponystars there were persistent allegations that the makers of Ponystars were stealing character designs from a similar game made by a much smaller company, by name of Pony Island. These allegations were completely true, and the makers and community of Pony Island were understandably pissed about this, but because Ponystars was fucking huge they just didn't have the coin to take them to court.

It's so sad but you couldn't have a game like this in the modern day. There were minimal safeguards for the children playing the game, because the developers thought (not unreasonably) that adults wouldn't want to play at all. It eventually grew a sizable amount of players of all ages, and everyone just chilled together. Today the bronies would be a problem certainly, but the biggest problem by far would be that trannies and paedophiles (is there a difference?) would take over the whole thing and just turn it into groomer central. Funnily enough, that's what eventually killed it. Turns out that Ponystars was in violation of the US COPPA Act for four years, as it was collecting children's data, allowing children to register on the website and post their personal information without their parents' consent or supervision.

Oh dear.

In 2010, Ponystars disappeared from the internet apparently with very little notice. The original game that Ponystars was based on was a French game called Poneyvallee. Poneyvallee limped on until 2020, by all accounts increasingly buggy and neglected, until the death of Flash Player in 2020 killed it for good.

Goodbye, Ponystars.

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Incidentally, it turns out that Pony Island is still running. Might have to check it out.


Sorry, I didn't mean to write a mini essay on this. It just kind of happened. My source for most of this information is here on Twitter.
You know, for that first paragraph, I was seriously wondering if you weren't talking about Pony Island! They did a revamp at one point with how the colors got bred there, too: Back in like 2007, you used to be able to more easily get saturated, neon colors that people called "highlighters", and then it got tweaked so everything kept coming out kind of subtle, neutral, and brown-ish.

I probably haven't played PI in almost a decade, but I've been seriously thinking about getting back into it. Last time I did, I started collecting ponies only of breeds/patterns that appeared in the original MLP toy line, in only pastel colors. For some reason, nobody wanted those!

My girlfriend played PI with me. She even got into the adoptables scene there, which led to some... interesting experiences. (And making some internet friends that she still emails to this day.)
 
Was anyone else here in the anime world of the Internet in the late 90s? Along with the Geocities, Angelfire, Tripod, etc. fansites, there were also the shrines and sites that had their own domains, mostly through Dreamhost. Powerlevel, but I ran a couple of those and it was such a blast. Someone earlier in this thread described them perfectly, with 8 point Tahoma font, complicated borderless frames galore, guestbooks, etc. Most of those site owners - almost all women/girls - became friendly and shared creative ideas. It was the most low drama online community I've ever been involved with. (The drama in the 90s was usually on those email listserv things.)

After fansites started to die off, LiveJournal became the best fandom space. It was glorious in the early days when communities like Fandom Wank and Cosplayfucks were still allowed. Also communities compiling online freakshow stuff, like bad_porn and whoever it was that broke the Brian Peppers discovery. The start of LiveJournal's downfall was their caving to whiners and shutting down communities that made fun of users. Looking back, that was the beginning of all the fucking bullshit we now have to deal with online from aggressively oversensitive snowflakes.

Like many of you, I loved LJ icons (made a crapload back then that I still have saved), capslock communities, and ohnotheydidnt. Also loved how customizable LJ was, you could basically code the entire layout and design of your journal or community. But the magic faded quickly when the over-moderation started. Fandom Wank moved to JournalFen, and similar fun communities spread to other places like 4chan. Always have loved observing Internet drama, which is how I ended up here eventually, of course. Why can't we just make fun of the stuff people publicly post in peace??

By the way, I love finding people from LJ on the Farms. When Lori Cerda, aka sailormoon on LJ got a thread here, it was a massive blast of nostalgia... and not surprising at all that she's still shitting up the Internet 20 years later.
 
Always have loved observing Internet drama, which is how I ended up here eventually, of course. Why can't we just make fun of the stuff people publicly post in peace??
You reminded me of how much time I'd spend looking for livejournal blogs about "Fanfic sporking." These days I'm not into Harry potter anymore but when I was a tween and still kept up with the books as they were coming out it seems like that fandom was a goldmine for drama and bad fanfics to make fun of.
 
You reminded me of how much time I'd spend looking for livejournal blogs about "Fanfic sporking." These days I'm not into Harry potter anymore but when I was a tween and still kept up with the books as they were coming out it seems like that fandom was a goldmine for drama and bad fanfics to make fun of.
LJ was a goldmine for fanfic sporking when it came to Pokemon thanks to the likes of Yami Ryu, though most of the fun came from the amount of arrogance autists like her had. They were known for being vicious to writers while not being very good at writing themselves. It was great.
 
My youth was wasted in Virtual Places (VPChat). It was basically yahoo chatrooms except you could design your own avatar (a design on a rectangle picture, nothing fancy) and have various gestures/animations that you can make, trade, and collect. It had plenty of programs and communities built around programming/artwork/etc for the chat. Go grab a pirated copy of Photoshop, Paint Shop Pro, Visual Basic, or whatever and knock yourself out learning things and showing them off. Plus there were plenty of private chats, or the fact you could turn any website into a separate chatroom meant you could have plenty of private communities for whatever you wish.

After excite took it down (late 90s/early 2000s I think), there was an attempt to revive it as a subscription model and there were attempts at free alternatives to replicate the chat but it was never the same.
 
The internet today feels so empty and lifeless, if the farms goes then other than watching the odd Youtube video I might just take up reading books. They say that your attention span is destroyed by using the internet today, well in the 90s/00s you needed an attention span to enjoy the net.

I really liked how decentralized it was, there were forums for everything. Warhammer for example had a different forum for every army. Look up information on a game and you would come across a very unique fan page designed to have the same aesthetics as the game it is about.

Something that was only around for a short time before being forgotten (as far as I know) is the post commentary informative let's play. Sounds weird I know but once you experience the difference you know why that specific type is so damn good. I only know of four old channels that did this - Research Indicates, Cruelest Chris/Evil Tim, Giragast, KingEffingFrost. I think it died out because edited playthroughs (Civvie/Ross) and long form essays replaced the format.
 
Something that was only around for a short time before being forgotten (as far as I know) is the post commentary informative let's play. Sounds weird I know but once you experience the difference you know why that specific type is so damn good. I only know of four old channels that did this - Research Indicates, Cruelest Chris/Evil Tim, Giragast, KingEffingFrost. I think it died out because edited playthroughs (Civvie/Ross) and long form essays replaced the format.
Not a post-commentary channel, but Chuggaaconroy is another old let's player I highly recommend; he pretty much only covers Nintendo games, but he's still around today and has more or less remained unchanged over the 14 years of making content while improving and polishing his formula over the years.
 
I miss classic Epic Meal Time. Their channel on YouTube is still around, but it is a shadow of its former self. This is because the original creators started fighting with each other behind the scenes, and it went downhill when Muscles Glasses left.

Here is one of their classic episodes...


 
One of the things I miss the most about the halcyon years of the internet is the culture of near-complete anonymity. In obscure forums (and not-so-obscure social media sites), I spent my nights talking to a variety of online friends who, to this day, I still have no idea what their names might've been or what they looked like, despite having such fond memories of them. Conversely, no one knew these things about me. Your identity wasn't asked for or expected of you, all that mattered was that you contributed something to the conversation.

Flash forward to now-- just from first-hand experience, I've seen Facebook require government ID to access your account. Instagram asks it's users to self-report race in surveys. The age of anonymity has ended not with a bang or even a whisper, but with a new audience of users who capitalize on identifying factors and protest when these factors are not required by the websites they use. I agree that the powers that be running these websites are corrupt, but they're also unfortunately just giving this new wave of internet users what they ask for.

I remember from the late '00s to early '10s, when I first dove into forum culture, it was a genuinely exciting experience, and I think the anonymity was really what made it. It made me happy to finish my daily obligations, boot up the computer, and see what my friends from all around the world were up to, even if all I recognized them by was a username and an icon of whichever online craze was the flavor of the day.

KF aside, I don't believe this culture exists anymore, and logging into modern social media is a chore.

There were very few forums out there that didn't have a 'pics of you' thread on its Xth page and its Yth edition.

Anyone saying the old internet was completely anonymous a la 4chan is false. What changed was when you started talking to people you know offline, online. Back in the day people on forums were very happy to share ASL, first name, face etc. with strangers. MSN and AIM were their own little bubbles when it came to talking and sharing personal info with internet friends as if they were predecessors to skype and social media group chats. When we got stuff like Myspace and Facebook in the late 2000s, that was the game changer, because that was when the internet became half chosen presentation and half reality.

Then you got the big issue of social media which is the need for people to put on some fantasy best life, the toxicity that turned people off of Facebook, then IG, then Snapchat... I think that's where most of us would say it went to shit.

The forum scene always had drama involving personalities and regular users with known names, known private lives etc. There was far more shared personal info, and (I guess it would depend on the forum) they were more willing to have meet ups than KF. The off-topic sections were always a mess for that sort of thing.

Anyone's idea of old internet anonymity is a romantic reaction to what we know happened with social media, and a wish to go before it. But it's just not the case. For example I can remember the names, ages, nationalities, sexes and jobs of the frequent posters of forums I was on 15 years ago, but I know nothing about anyone here.
 
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Also someone has to know what I'm talking about, what's that one ancient "WELCOME TO MY PAGE!" website with the terrible layout like it was someone's middle school project?
 
I miss classic Epic Meal Time. Their channel on YouTube is still around, but it is a shadow of its former self. This is because the original creators started fighting with each other behind the scenes, and it went downhill when Muscles Glasses left.

Here is one of their classic episodes...


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I completely forgot about this channel. I started watching its videos when it was just beginning. A couple of years later I tried to watch the newer videos but it just wasn't the same.
At that moment I would see all that obscene amount of food and think "that is so awesome". Now I see that shit and get gastritis.
 
Anyone's idea of old internet anonymity is a romantic reaction to what we know happened with social media, and a wish to go before it. But it's just not the case. For example I can remember the names, ages, nationalities, sexes and jobs of the frequent posters of forums I was on 15 years ago, but I know nothing about anyone here.
There is a pretty big difference. While back in the day you could personally know a few people online if they provided that information of their own accord, browser fingerprinting and the general datamining of the internet was a lot more archaic. Most companies could only track you via IP and that was pretty unreliable as a means of figuring out who everyone online was if they didn't treat the web like their journal. There were few websites that would actively force you to provide specific information about your life, rather they'd simply ask if you wanted to. Now you not only need an email to get accounts for social media - you need an email provider that the site itself 'trusts' read, can track easily. Then they want your phone number. Now we're in the era where there the big three will legitimately ask you for your state ID. Sites that haven't done this willingly have been forced to do so at least in nations like the UK that force this into law 'for the children'. As the always excuse. There is a fundamental barrier between the net of now and today. They are practically incomparable.
 
Like pre-social media, people would just make personal websites, like "Hi, I'm X, this is my site". I know it's quaint to compare shit to Chris, but he wasn't alone having a retina-raping personal website, there were a ton of them, many almost equally bad. Internet really has shrunk.

When I think 20 years back, I remember playing Runescape in library in a Finnish clan having wars with Estonian clans. People even recorded them; unregistered hypercam, comments in notepad, 009 Sound System Dreamscape, whole nine yards. And back then there weren't really sites that held your hand and told how to do stuff and complete quests (or maybe there were, but I didn't speak English), everything was word-of-mouth. Made the fantasy worlds seem so much bigger.


From early 05.
 
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