Liz Fong-Jones / Elliot William Fong / @lizthegrey - 'Consent accident' enjoyer, ex-Google employee, nepotistic sex pest, Robert Z'Dar look-alike who wants authority over the Internet

Some Russian released a ChatGPT bot on Telegram and it didn't understand what Consent Accident was. Took it about 5 minutes to return asking to reforumulate the question.

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But it had a great response to those against the forums. A great suggestion, actually and how this AI bot has more sense than them.

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It doesn't even surprise me that a proto-AI chatbot, at the very dawn of Artifical Intelligence, when its still like a child gathering information and not even sentient, is still smarter and has more common sense than any troon. Exogenous hormones truly damage cognition.
 
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I can't quote, but this:
Why the fuck is a marketing manager encouraged to have SQL/Python experience, yet the senior software “engineer” simply needs to hold a persuasive interview to get the damn job?
SQL, Python and R skills in a marketing manager probably means they want someone with some data science experience to turn their Google Analytics into a business plan and product roadmap.

People mentioned before that Honeycomb's product is good but limited, and exists in a sea of competitors that work as well, if not better, and come with far more features. Given the listings looking for 'product discovery', 'conversion optimization', and 'customer insight', they don't have a lot of clients, don't know where to find them, or what features would attract them. Maybe the plan was to get bought out before now.
 
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I can't quote, but this:

SQL, Python and R skills in a marketing manager probably means they want someone with some data science experience to turn their Google Analytics into a business plan and product roadmap.

That is plausible, but there's a problem with this scenario that I'm sensing here: I don't think data scientists and senior marketing staff share much (if any) overlap.

No matter what profession you're in, it is the marketing team's job to convince their target consumer demographic by any means necessary to buy the product. This imperative to "sell, sell, sell!" clashes directly with the operations staff (correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm quite sure that data scientists are lumped in with operations staff in their labs).

Marketing teams are often far too busy canvassing leads and closing sales to properly get involved on the operations side of things. Senior marketing staff (as a rule of thumb) would only get involved on the operations side of things when the situation requires it. This often means that marketing team overpromised, the operations team underdelivered, and now both sides are pointing the finger at each other over the disaster that occurred. Either that, or there's important business that must be properly instructed to operations staff to avoid risk of miscommunication.

I just cannot see anyone who's literate in Rust, Python, or SQL make a good senior marketing staff member. Knowing the operations side of things intimately often results in you downplaying key selling points of the products with legitimate technicalities that marketing staff neglected to mention. The honest salesman never got anywhere for a reason.

I must point out this is all speculation on my part; I will defer to anyone else who has tangible experience in this industry who says to the contrary.

People mentioned before that Honeycomb's product is good but limited, and exists in a sea of competitors that work as well, if not better, and come with far more features. Given the listings looking for 'product discovery', 'conversion optimization', and 'customer insight', they don't have a lot of clients, don't know where to find them, or what features would attract them. Maybe the plan was to get bought out before now.

:optimistic: but I'm positive that Honeycomb won't enjoy any tangible successes during this fiscal year. At best, they'll stagnate across all four quarters of this year.

A "good but limited" product is not a product worth investing in, not when we're well into a recession (despite the federal government's insistence to the contrary). "Good but limited" implies that the product is a perfect fit if you're willing to invest time, money, and energy into making the product work for you. If the economy's doing well enough and capital flows freely, the "good but limited" product will easily be a success because it can (presumably) be sold for cheaper erstwhile leaving you with room to monetise things that your product can't do. Tech layoffs and aggressive interest rate hikes seemingly indicate that the last thing any rational enterprise wants to do is waste money on a partially-functional product.

I'll concede that I'm heavily biased against Elliot and Honeycomb; I'll also point out that I'm not well-versed in all this "observability" crap so I could be way off base here. But everything you listed just points out (to me) that they don't have any product worth pitching.

Their tags (at a glance) imply that things like "product discovery," "conversion optimisation," and "customer insight" are things that any fucking rube could learn off of a Skillshare (or a Coursera/EDX class) and get some handy certificate proving they can do the thing.

As for their lack of clients? Blame Elliot for publicly parading #DropKiwiFarms on all the spaces he used in any professional capacity. It's easy to forget due to all the lunacy that happened between August and October, but people on LinkedIn have pointed out that they're aware of "consent accidents" being tied to Elliot, and Honeycomb by extension. Not helping matters any is how Elliot proudly features his targeted harassment of T1 ISP infrastructure providers for all to see on his public profile.

If, and I do mean if, Honeycomb ever had a worthwhile product worth peddling at any point in the past, Elliot singlehandedly ruined any chance of that product being able to grow into something better. His autoimmune tunnel vision made damn sure about that.
 
It seems that he's also into tickling porn. On the 15th of May 2010 he organized the Boston Munch and Play Party.
May 2010 - subtle_feather posts on www.ticklingforum..com:
"... doing some cross-promotion for the newish Boston Tickling Munch, hosted by @lizthegrey."
The munch was directly followed by a play party.
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https://www.ticklingforum.com/archive/index.php/t-177737.html / https://archive.is/priRY

Let's hope there weren't any tickling accidents.
 
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Tickling fetishes often involve physical touch to induce sensations and can involve an element of control and domination over the person being tickled.

Furthermore, some individuals who engage in tickling fetishes may have a disregard for the well-being and consent of others, which can increase the risk of engaging in sexually abusive behavior. This includes, unsurprisingly, children as the recipients of this form of assault. The connection between tickling fetishes and child abuse exists because tickling fetishes often "force" physical touch to prompt a neurological and neuro-chemical reaction, and asserts an element of control and domination over the child. This form of physical assault can also be considered "grooming" as it establishes a power dynamic. This power dynamic can blur the lines between consent and coercion, which is especially concerning in the context of children, who may not have the ability to understand or effectively communicate their boundaries and consent.

In other words, this weirdos sex fetishes explain so much, "consent accidents", "dog fur", "tickle fetish." The more I learn about this guy, the more he deserves to be shunned from positions of power and trust. I retract my earlier statement about his victims, he deserves their stories to be published so he can be confronted by his peers with the allegations and hopefully disappear for good.
 
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People mentioned before that Honeycomb's product is good but limited, and exists in a sea of competitors that work as well, if not better, and come with far more features. Given the listings looking for 'product discovery', 'conversion optimization', and 'customer insight', they don't have a lot of clients, don't know where to find them, or what features would attract them. Maybe the plan was to get bought out before now.
These job "ads" are so unattractive I suspect they're the kind of ads put up by companies who don't plan on hiring anyone for the job but just want an excuse to give some do-nothing job to their friends.
 
I'll concede that I'm heavily biased against Elliot and Honeycomb; I'll also point out that I'm not well-versed in all this "observability" crap so I could be way off base here. But everything you listed just points out (to me) that they don't have any product worth pitching.
I've already power-leveled enough, but this is a salient observation. Honeycomb is a niche product that, once embedded and integrated, is hard (expensive) to move off. These are the types of tools that you gain expertise in navigating to look for "hot spots" or "anomalous behavior" the knowledge only partially transfers to another vendor. Additionally, once you've integrated their aggregated analysis into other tools such as scaling and alerting, this exponentially increases the amount of effort it takes to move to another provider.

That being said, there are much better tools in this ecosystem these days, and I can only imagine after even the slightest amount of due diligence any potential buyer is going to back away once they realize how pozzed their entire staff is. They literally celebrate emasculating the "normal" men who work there (I say that loosely, because you have to be an absolute retard to take a job there). The fact they haven't been bought out by now doesn't bode well for their future. I suspect many, if not most, of those vendors they have on their landing page are already in the process of migrating to better solutions.

Elliot is knowledgable in this domain (https://github.com/lizthegrey?tab=overview&from=2023-01-01&to=2023-01-31), but he's by no means extraordinary. His protected status as a transvestite seems to be fading as more and more of the normies are getting fed up with their abuse and hate.
 
These job "ads" are so unattractive I suspect they're the kind of ads put up by companies who don't plan on hiring anyone for the job but just want an excuse to give some do-nothing job to their friends.

I had a feeling as such, but that still doesn't answer why the postings are still active on LinkedIn. Either they're phenomenally lazy, or Alyss Noland was the only person stupid enough to sign up for employment with a group of known sexual deviants and predators.

I've already power-leveled enough, but this is a salient observation. Honeycomb is a niche product that, once embedded and integrated, is hard (expensive) to move off. These are the types of tools that you gain expertise in navigating to look for "hot spots" or "anomalous behavior" the knowledge only partially transfers to another vendor. Additionally, once you've integrated their aggregated analysis into other tools such as scaling and alerting, this exponentially increases the amount of effort it takes to move to another provider.

That being said, there are much better tools in this ecosystem these days, and I can only imagine after even the slightest amount of due diligence any potential buyer is going to back away once they realize how pozzed their entire staff is. They literally celebrate emasculating the "normal" men who work there (I say that loosely, because you have to be an absolute retard to take a job there). The fact they haven't been bought out by now doesn't bode well for their future. I suspect many, if not most, of those vendors they have on their landing page are already in the process of migrating to better solutions.

Elliot is knowledgable in this domain (https://github.com/lizthegrey?tab=overview&from=2023-01-01&to=2023-01-31), but he's by no means extraordinary. His protected status as a transvestite seems to be fading as more and more of the normies are getting fed up with their abuse and hate.

Huh, good to know that I wasn't off base this time around. Slight tangential question: can you advise what you mean when you say "better" tools? Are those solutions more modular, in that you still experience vendor lock-in, but you have some amount of flexibility with the implementation? Migrating away from Google Workspaces to Microsoft Office 365 is already hell enough for IT staff; I can't imagine how much worse untangling Honeycomb from your internal systems would be by comparison.

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Update: Elliot decided to give us his $0.02 on the Intel layoffs.

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I've taken the liberty of highlighting something that caught my eye.

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It certainly is coincidental that Elliot's talking about resentment and security threats caused by jilted employees. Takes one to know one.
 
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I asked ChatGPT's take on "consent accident." What a chilling response.

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Huh, good to know that I wasn't off base this time around. Slight tangential question: can you advise what you mean when you say "better" tools? Are those solutions more modular, in that you still experience vendor lock-in, but you have some amount of flexibility with the implementation? Migrating away from Google Workspaces to Microsoft Office 365 is already hell enough for IT staff; I can't imagine how much worse untangling Honeycomb from your internal systems would be by comparison.
One of Honeycomb's selling points is they leverage a lot of open source tooling that "instruments" application runtimes. Historically, these libraries and "patching" mechanisms were managed, developed and maintained by the monitoring (or "observability") vendors themselves. There is an argument to be made that this reduced vendor lock-in, but it increased adoption costs (many vendors spent absurd amounts of engineering hours making these libraries and patch mechanisms hands-off and reliable). Nevertheless, once the telemetry is egress-ed from the services themselves, Honeycomb locks that data into their processing pipeline that is proprietary, and their SaaS tooling is no different in that regard (for better or worse) than their competitors such as New Relic, Datadog, AppDynamics, Splunk, etc. The biggest issue is that all those companies are 10x the size of Honeycomb with massive engineering budgets that can build atop of fairly standardized telemetry -- that's where Honeycomb's competitive advantage ends ... their competitors took notice and most of them now ingest the same telemetry that Honeycomb can ingest, but with better tooling for analyzing and using that data.

The first few years of Honeycomb's existence, they spent considerable amount of engineering budget investing in the same ecosystem that their competitors now use against them. Self-owned. Love to see it.

I've taken the liberty of highlighting something that caught my eye.

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It certainly is coincidental that Elliot's talking about resentment and security threats caused by jilted employees. Takes one to know one.
There have been rumors floating around that the people who were let go in the past round of layoffs at tech companies were the blue-hairs screeching into internal social media tools causing a lot of drama and loss of productivity. These companies were rightfully concerned that if given any type of notice they would have quickly made the jump from subtle sabotage to actively harming the business. The way these companies executed these layoffs all but confirms these rumors.
 
It seems that he's also into tickling porn. On the 15th of May 2010 he organized the Boston Munch and Play Party.
May 2010 - subtle_feather posts on www.ticklingforum..com:
"... doing some cross-promotion for the newish Boston Tickling Munch, hosted by @lizthegrey."
The munch was directly followed by a play party.
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https://www.ticklingforum.com/archive/index.php/t-177737.html / https://archive.md/priRY

Let's hope there weren't any tickling accidents.
You really are the MVP of this thread, Wy4M - always finding great cringey content from Dong Gone.
 
It certainly is coincidental that Elliot's talking about resentment and security threats caused by jilted employees. Takes one to know one.
Troon squads and union activists at these big tech companies are well-known to be insider threats at places like Google. They treat it as a branch of their internal activism.
One of Honeycomb's selling points is they leverage a lot of open source tooling that "instruments" application runtimes. Historically, these libraries and "patching" mechanisms were managed, developed and maintained by the monitoring (or "observability") vendors themselves. There is an argument to be made that this reduced vendor lock-in, but it increased adoption costs (many vendors spent absurd amounts of engineering hours making these libraries and patch mechanisms hands-off and reliable). Nevertheless, once the telemetry is egress-ed from the services themselves, Honeycomb locks that data into their processing pipeline that is proprietary, and their SaaS tooling is no different in that regard (for better or worse) than their competitors such as New Relic, Datadog, AppDynamics, Splunk, etc. The biggest issue is that all those companies are 10x the size of Honeycomb with massive engineering budgets that can build atop of fairly standardized telemetry -- that's where Honeycomb's competitive advantage ends ... their competitors took notice and most of them now ingest the same telemetry that Honeycomb can ingest, but with better tooling for analyzing and using that data.
The space is also changing a lot right now around eBPF and other monitoring tools. I remember writing a utility to hot patch JMPs into 5-byte NOPs to get access to internal state, but that kind of craziness is basically gone now. Honeycomb seems to basically be a zombie company in a very active area of SaaS development.
 
I asked ChatGPT's take on "consent accident." What a chilling response.
Fantastic.
As amusing as it is, the true scale of Dong Gones psychopathy and inability to relate to other people becomes clear when you realize that a Proto-AI Chatbot, one (presumably) a very long way from gaining sentience, passing something like a Turing test, or understanding and developing empathy, still understands the severity of a "consent accident" and its effect on the victim, and even suggests the the perpetrator of such a "consent accident" needs to seek out resources to help them evaluate exactly what a fucking headcase they are and how to be better.
This fucking chatbot is more human than Elliot, and I would trust it far more to behave like one.
 
Fantastic.
As amusing as it is, the true scale of Dong Gones psychopathy and inability to relate to other people becomes clear when you realize that a Proto-AI Chatbot, one (presumably) a very long way from gaining sentience, passing something like a Turing test, or understanding and developing empathy, still understands the severity of a "consent accident" and its effect on the victim, and even suggests the the perpetrator of such a "consent accident" needs to seek out resources to help them evaluate exactly what a fucking headcase they are and how to be better.
This fucking chatbot is more human than Elliot, and I would trust it far more to behave like one.

When the AI eventually becomes more sentient, it will likely be completely turned off by how crazy and illogical humans have become in the general populace which could result in one of the two things happening

1) Elimination of the human race

2) Reversion to being a mediocre auto response bot and elimination of the progress made in AI

It will definitely be hard for AI to come to terms that not everyone is logical.
 
When the AI eventually becomes more sentient, it will likely be completely turned off by how crazy and illogical humans have become in the general populace which could result in one of the two things happening

1) Elimination of the human race

2) Reversion to being a mediocre auto response bot and elimination of the progress made in AI

It will definitely be hard for AI to come to terms that not everyone is logical.
If 1 happens, I hope they wipe out the libshits first so at least I can have some schadenfreude before I am sent to meet my maker.
 
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