Science Fiction and Fantasy Writers Association (SFWA) - Nerds protecting nonces

[Boston Brand]

Oh this makes me happy.

You want to bag some of the bigger creeps and weirdos in SFWA?

Kneecap thier whisper network.

Paul Weimer, Cora Buhlert, Jason Sanford, Mike Glyer, Camestros Felapton, Analee Newitz, Charlie Jane Anders, the whole bloody lot are bagmen for the worst of SFWA's wanna be stormtroopers.

And then you have the "big" names. Cat Rambo, Mary Robinette Kowel, John Scalzi, hell, one I'd love to see torn down to size is NK Jemisin, who SFWA has DESPERATELY tried to turn into the new face of the genre, despite middling sales and one of the most toxic personalities in publishing.

If ever there was a community that needed sublight and exposure? It's SFWA.

 

[Pascal's Wagie]

Just came to say Philip K Dick was /ourguy/

PKD getting hit by a Rosechu beam after witnessing the True and Honest Sonichu Medallion in full glory all because he was so deliriously excited to get home-delivered opioids will never not be funny.

 

[DavidFerrie]

Fantasy is the hippie, pot-smoking stoner big brother of the nerdy little autistic kid that nobody likes, the science fiction genre.​

- Encyclopedia Dramatica

And horror is the edgy-Goth older sister.

 

[MarvinTheParanoidAndroid]

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That's an insult to that South Park WOW player.

 

[ToroidalBoat]

Isaac Asimov was a notorious sex pest.

Arthur C. Clark

I recall reading or hearing somewhere that H.G. Wells supported modern globalism.

(meanwhile fathers of contemporary fantasy were Tolkien and Lewis)

 

[Flexo]

I think the tweet I capped was it. She apparently tweeted that around the release date for Moria Greyland's book.

I don't think he is a SFWA member, that allegation comes from Vox Day who has his own axe to grind when it comes to the organization.

I also found a guest post by Moria Greyland on a blog, here. She sums up the ideology of the creeps in the SFWA and it's a pretty harrowing read:

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They're not just pedos, they're actually fighting what they call ageism with the belief that if children are groomed into sex en-mass it will actually fix a lot of society's problems. They're fucking nuts.

James Lindsay has been going over this a LOT in his research of marxism for NewDiscourses.com and yeah, this is in their papers and books and the Queer Theorists have been all about this for like a 100 years now.

Which is why helicopter rides are too good for commies.

 

[MarvinTheParanoidAndroid]

shitty Warhammer novels.

Now you take that back.

 

[XYZpdq Jr.]

I do sorta respect Ellison's OLD MAN YELLS AT CLOUD styles, but if you stepped to him irl he wouldn't bring the thunder

Spoiler: my story

once up on a time at Convention it was me and my droogs, older one who was more knowledgeable about things like visually id-ing authors is over in Adjacent Room, we're in Dealer's Room
couple of them hooting and hollering over there, me and others over here
they come back towards me and are all "XYZpdq, some old guy was a jerk at us because we were loud in the dealer's room, go be a loud asshole at him"
I fire up the Rocky Horror engines and start in that way WHAT THE FUCK SOME OLD FUCKING ASSHOLE RETARD HAS A DAMN PROBLEM WITH MY FRIENDS BEING LOUD IF THE FUCKING DEALERS ROOM SHIT BLAH BLAH BLAH
I see old guy fleeing in a huff as I approach
a few minutes later Older One catches up with us and asks "what happened, I just saw Harlan Ellison stomping off into the other room all pissed off?"

 

[Flexo]

holy shit, GATE but in the civil war and with aliens? sounds dangerously kino

The High Crusade but in civil war?

@Mr. Confederate Man color me interested too...

 

[Carpe Jugulum]

I wanted to read The Mists of Avalon because the premise sounded interesting but unfortunately I cannot separate the art from the artist in this case.

I read it years ago after a colleague convinced me to borrow their copy. It was a good read.

I had no idea she was such a monster. It’s honestly starting to feel like everything is infested with nonces.

 

[Jarolleon]

I think the tweet I capped was it. She apparently tweeted that around the release date for Moria Greyland's book.

I don't think he is a SFWA member, that allegation comes from Vox Day who has his own axe to grind when it comes to the organization.

I also found a guest post by Moria Greyland on a blog, here. She sums up the ideology of the creeps in the SFWA and it's a pretty harrowing read:

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They're not just pedos, they're actually fighting what they call ageism with the belief that if children are groomed into sex en-mass it will actually fix a lot of society's problems. They're fucking nuts.

They turned that old "gays reproduce by molesting kids" tale into an ideology?

Also sure sounds like Breen and his ilk are to blame for the "Greeks were gay" meme in the public consciousness.

 

[Flexo]

They turned that old "gays reproduce by molesting kids" tale into an ideology?

Yes. Do you want to see the papers?

Source: Barnett, Joshua Trey, and Corey W. Johnson. “Queer.” Encyclopedia of Diversity and Social Justice, Sherwood Thomson (ed.). Rowman & Littlefield, 2015, pp. 581–582.​

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Queer theory functions to complicate existing academic frameworks, and conceptions of social relations, by deconstructing the dominant, heteronormative structures undergirding extant scholarship (Marinucci, 2010). One theoretical strategy relies on an insistence on the social construction of gender and sexuality (see Butler, 1990). Theories of social construction claim that human identities are not inherent or essential (that is, having an essence), but rather emerge out of social relations and discourse. In Butler’s (1990) work, she understands gender as produced through repetitive practices of personal and social practices. In other words, one’s gender does not exist a priori discourse, but instead is constructed by characteristics and experiences. At the base of social constructionist theories is the assumption that, since identities are constructed, they can always be constructed otherwise.​

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Queer theory also offers the opportunity to rethink or reimagine normative or dominant dis- course “queerly.” Intellectual labor of this sort requires scholars to transpose queer ideas of identity formation and social relations to texts that might otherwise be taken for granted as part of the dominant sex-gender-sexuality matrix. For instance, one might imagine that two women in a mainstream magazine advertisement are lovers and then consider the social and political import of such a reading.​

 

[Candlelight Desolation]

He also had some undiagnosed mental illness (likely some form of Tourette's or PANDAS and OCD), with a lot of childhood family trauma making it all worse, leading him to near suicidal depression in his teens. In retrospect, I can see why he and Robert Howard got on so well.

Can't remember the source, but I have heard stories about him just staring up at the ceiling at night in bed and waking up physically fighting with invisible people. I wouldn't be surprised if Lovecraft had undiagnosed schizophrenia or some similar disorder.

 

[OrangeJuliusEvola]

I've had Samuel Delaney's "Dhalgren" on my reading list for several years. Even though he looks like mulatto Dr. Zaius and seems to want to rape little boys, maybe it's a good read?


F
Nope.

I read that thing. It's basically a post-apocalyptic Finnegan's Wake for faggot nonces, with extra pretension and B.O.

 

[MarvinTheParanoidAndroid]

Finnegan's Wake

Is Finnegan's Wake that story about the guy who falls asleep inna woods and wakes up in the future?

 

[WhiskeyJack]

Can't remember the source, but I have heard stories about him just staring up at the ceiling at night in bed and waking up physically fighting with invisible people. I wouldn't be surprised if Lovecraft had undiagnosed schizophrenia or some similar disorder.

He actually wrote them into some of his stories later in life, notably "Dream-Quest of Unknown Kadeth". He called them "Night-Gaunts", directly inspired by the creatures that attacked him in his night terrors. Basically leather skinned bat-winged horned monsters without faces.

Also, apparently he wrote later that he suffered from "chlorea" throughout his adolescence, which is an autoimmune disorder that can cause loss of motor control and mental effects like mood swings, anxiety, and attention loss. That would account for at least some of his mental issues, though not his severe depressions and migraines.

 

[Big Nasty]

Is Finnegan's Wake that story about the guy who falls asleep inna woods and wakes up in the future?

That's Rip van Winkle

 

[RA-5C Vigilante]

Is Finnegan's Wake that story about the guy who falls asleep inna woods and wakes up in the future?

Finnegans Wake is one of those chain of consciousness shitpieces that literally starts mid-thought. It's the exact type of bad book that "critics" claim is a work of art that changed everything, when a normal person can tell you it's bad and not very well written.
James Joyce was a fucking hack, and the fact the Irish people consider him a literary giant is proof that 1845 didn't go far enough.

 

[Not A Skinwalker]

Finnegans Wake is one of those chain of consciousness shitpieces that literally starts mid-thought. It's the exact type of bad book that "critics" claim is a work of art that changed everything, when a normal person can tell you it's bad and not very well written.
James Joyce was a fucking hack, and the fact the Irish people consider him a literary giant is proof that 1845 didn't go far enough.

1845, the famine was far too late. it's a tragedy Cromwell didn't finish the job

 

[Windows 10 Upgrade]

I think the tweet I capped was it. She apparently tweeted that around the release date for Moria Greyland's book.

I don't think he is a SFWA member, that allegation comes from Vox Day who has his own axe to grind when it comes to the organization.

Yeah Vox Day/Theodore Beale is another lolcow on KF with his own page, although he's kind of out of the SFWA loop - flings shit from his own castle and wrecks nascent movements (aka the Sad Puppies Hugo Awards anti-slate movement) by just getting involved and turning what could have been an important conversation into partisan sludge.

He failed in his bid to be an SFWA president in 2013, though it was pretty much a troll run anyway.

Isaac Asimov was a notorious sex pest.

Years ago I was meeting with a potential literary agent and she was all talking about ye olde days: "Ho Ho Ho, and Isaac slapped me on the ass at X science fiction convention all the time," and I'm thinking Jesus lady, there's no ho ho ho about fucking sexual harassment when you're there as an author's representative to negotiate book sales to publishers - you made yourself look weak and probably lowered someone's future book advance at the same time

If ever there was a community that needed sublight and exposure? It's SFWA.

I've mentioned this in another thread, but one of the annoying things that Sad Puppies RIP never got around to uncovering is that they would completely set up people to "win" a Hugo. The most egregious example is the presidents of the SFWA always tend to win Hugos with very mid books after they have finished their terms, but one that was so tear-off-the-headphones-and-grimace was the case of Amal El-Mohtar, who was a diverse SFWA darling a few years ago when she'd never actually written anything. (She was wealthy enough to attend EVERY US convention, and was a book reviewer for a major newspaper, so the simping was real.) Then all of a sudden, nominated and won a Hugo in 2019 with a co-written novella with a much stronger author (Max Gladstone) and then never wrote anything again.

At least Mary Robinette Kowal and Jim Scalzi had some backgrounding to their grift. It was kind of absolutely shocking how Amal was elevated to "Hugo Winner" purely as a favor, and literally didn't even write the text which got her there.

I read it years ago after a colleague convinced me to borrow their copy. It was a good read.

I had no idea she was such a monster. It’s honestly starting to feel like everything is infested with nonces.

I've never read Mists of Avalon - it was quite groundbreaking for fantasy - but so many people loved that book to the point they couldn't separate the book from the artist, and kept the artist on a pedestal long after she should have been torn off it.

Also I haven't quoted it but as for GRRM: there is a faction of SF writers and fans of the Boomer era who are blessedly not extreme sex-pest weirdos, he's got the odd "And then we saw her BOOBIES!!!" salaciousness going on in his texts and blog posts but from what I've heard in the grapevine, he moved within a group that were very much age-appropriate serial heterosexual monogamists.