Snowflake Jack Monroe / Melissa "Mel" Hadjicostas / Jack Xatzinikolas / @BootstrapCook - Spaghetti hoop rinser who wants to live like Common People, the face of poverty in Britain, literally can't lie

[AssignedEva]

One of the funniest things to me is Jack insisting she can't tell lies because she's autistic.

Autistic people often can't lie. That doesn't mean they're not capable of uttering untruths, it's just that (depending on severity) they often struggle with perspective taking and theory of mind, like a young child

Parent: Did you eat the cookies after I told you not to?

Child: No.

P: But there are no cookies in this cupboard and nobody else was in here.

C: Someone else must have eaten them.

P: You have chocolate around your mouth.

C: The cookies are chocolate hazelnut and I don't like chocolate hazelnut so I couldn't have eaten them.

P: How do you know what flavour they were if you didn't eat them?

C: I don't. I just guessed.

Compare someone like Chris-Chan:

Null: Chris, you said you didn't have any money.

Chris-Chan: No I don't have any money.

N: Then how did you afford a motel room and a trip to the mall?

C: I found some money.

N: You know I can see your bank account. It says Barb sent you money. Did you contact Barb after being banned from contacting her and ask her to send you money?

C: No.

N: So Barb just sent you money?

C: No I manifested it.

N: Chris do you have access to Barb's bank account, and did you use that to send yourself money?

C: Well it was an emergency.

This is a neurological thing that can be used for diagnosing children with developmental delays or autism.

Sam puts a bouncy ball inside a red box. The box is labelled Barbie dolls. Next to it is a blue box labelled bouncy balls, which has a Teddy bear inside it. Sally then walks in the room and wants to play with a bouncy ball. Which box does she open first, the blue box labelled bouncy balls, or the red box labelled Barbie dolls?

Developmentally typical child, Piaget stage 3: She opens the blue box labelled bouncy balls, because she thinks there's a bouncy ball inside.

Autistic/delayed child: She opens the red box labelled Barbie dolls, because that's where the bouncy ball is.

"Autistic people can't lie" is because (severely) autistic people can't understand how to convincingly lie, they just say untrue things because they comprehend saying untrue things sometimes works. (This is coupled with not understanding why people might white lie - "I'm thinking of going on a diet", "Yes you have gotten quite fat"). Which is exactly what Jack does, but she thinks it means "autistic people only tell the truth"

I doubt Jack is actually autistic though, it's probably just compulsive lying from a personality disorder coupled with being pretty stupid and unable to keep a story straight.

 

[Purestrain Gold]

I doubt Jack is actually autistic though, it's probably just compulsive lying from a personality disorder coupled with being pretty stupid and unable to keep a story straight.

Crazy women claiming they have ASD because it gets more sympathy than the correct diagnosis of APD/BPD/NPD. Many such cases.

 

[Hongourable Madisha]

One of the funniest things to me is Jack insisting she can't tell lies because she's autistic.

Autistic people often can't lie. That doesn't mean they're not capable of uttering untruths, it's just that (depending on severity) they often struggle with perspective taking and theory of mind, like a young child

Compare someone like Chris-Chan:

This is a neurological thing that can be used for diagnosing children with developmental delays or autism.

"Autistic people can't lie" is because (severely) autistic people can't understand how to convincingly lie, they just say untrue things because they comprehend saying untrue things sometimes works. (This is coupled with not understanding why people might white lie - "I'm thinking of going on a diet", "Yes you have gotten quite fat"). Which is exactly what Jack does, but she thinks it means "autistic people only tell the truth"

I doubt Jack is actually autistic though, it's probably just compulsive lying from a personality disorder coupled with being pretty stupid and unable to keep a story straight.

That's a good summary of it, yeah. We can't lie convincingly, but we absolutely can tell lies. For example, I can say "I think Jack Monroe is really inspiring and brilliant" but nobody would believe me. (eta: and if we're high functioning we can often learn, with practice and with acting classes and the like, it just doesn't come naturally to us. There's a few autistic actors who can sell their character convincingly and presumably can tell lies.)
I suspect her 'tism is actually just more munching though, "self diagnosed autism" is a common one for millennial munchies in the same way DID or Tourettes is for zoomers.

 

[AndreanSandDunes]

New in ‘things that didn’t happen’ and ‘things that Jack is an expert in’ (insert eye roll)

He probably paused for a moment because he was absolutely shitting himself that he wouldn’t give an appropriately fawning response and trigger a narc rage in her.



She also posted this which she, as always, clearly posts with the intention of showing her as a ‘normal parent’ and in a good light but it’s just further proof of what a shitty parent and all-round horrible individual she is. You don’t even need to dig deep to see that.


I love kids so maybe I’m just being really soft but how heartbreaking for her son that she perceives being his mum as a series of chores that she’s just waiting to be repaid for by him indulging her. He will 100% be aware of this.

Good parents wouldn’t see things like this as one of the rewards of raising children - any normal person who loves kids and doesn’t just see them as an extension of themselves would find that them developing their own interests and becoming their own independent person would be the true reward and this starts pretty early on in their development. At his age and stage he should be rolling his eyes at his cringe mum’s pathetic attempts to brag about herself and she’s too blind and thick to realise that this isn’t normal.

She is gross and doesn’t deserve to be a mother.
(I probably do deserve some top hats for this post though)

 

[tasty humane burger]

Crazy women claiming they have ASD because it gets more sympathy than the correct diagnosis of APD/BPD/NPD. Many such cases.

Recently I’ve seen Tumblrina BPD types claim PD’s don’t exist and are just undiagnosed autism. It’s lunacy.

I think she could have mild ADHD along with social anxiety (she’s a ball of nerves in every interview or tv appearance), but she’s definitely not a full blown autist.

 

[AndreanSandDunes]

I would swing more to the possibility of her having ADHD if she had any improvement to her ‘ADHD’ symptoms from the medication she’s prescribed. It’s actually kind of shocking that she is still being prescribed it when it’s really obvious even from a glance at her bin fire of a career and social media that it’s not having any positive effect on her executive functioning.

Prescribing guidelines are here, it should be a 6-week trial of stimulants and if they don’t have enough of a positive effect then they should be stopped / non-stimulants trialled:

https://www.nice.org.uk/guidance/ng87/chapter/recommendations#medication

She is actually getting worse over time in this respect as well, it’s wild.

 

[frap]

New in ‘things that didn’t happen’ and ‘things that Jack is an expert in’ (insert eye roll)

He probably paused for a moment because he was absolutely shitting himself that he wouldn’t give an appropriately fawning response and trigger a narc rage in her.

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Oh Jack. Tell me you were brought up middle-class without telling me you're middle-class.

 

[tasty humane burger]

I would swing more to the possibility of her having ADHD if she had any improvement to her ‘ADHD’ symptoms from the medication she’s prescribed. It’s actually kind of shocking that she is still being prescribed it when it’s really obvious even from a glance at her bin fire of a career and social media that it’s not having any positive effect on her executive functioning.

Prescribing guidelines are here, it should be a 6-week trial of stimulants and if they don’t have enough of a positive effect then they should be stopped / non-stimulants trialled:

https://www.nice.org.uk/guidance/ng87/chapter/recommendations#medication

She is actually getting worse over time in this respect as well, it’s wild.

Fair point. However not to be too speculative but I’ve always been of the impression Jack doesn’t take her medication properly which would explain her manic ups and downs, as well as how she seems to go from stick thin to mid-size/slightly overweight every few months

 

[AndreanSandDunes]

Fair point. However not to be too speculative but I’ve always been of the impression Jack doesn’t take her medication properly which would explain her manic ups and downs, as well as how she seems to go from stick thin to mid-size/slightly overweight every few months

Yeah I’m open to accepting I’m being harsh in this respect, she shouldn’t be abusing the medication regardless though (if that’s what you mean by not taking it properly) and it should be a huge red flag to her psychiatrist if she is having these manic up and downs on this medication - if it’s actual mania then the medication should be stopped immediately (see prescribing guidelines). This is a wider issue beyond Jack though with private adult ADHD services in the UK so in fairness this particular issue isn’t necessarily her fault, I will definitely give her that.

She does always talk about fluctuating weight but I haven’t actually seen any photographic evidence of it. Edited to add: e.g. she will tweet after a TV appearance where she looked a completely normal weight saying that people have been private messaging her concerned about how thin and frail she is and making a big fuss over it. She does heavily shoop herself in photos she posts herself but in media appearances her size doesn’t seem to change much (from my view - maybe I’m wrong)

 

[Carpe Jugulum]

Jack is maniac, middle class and I would not sex*

However, her slap fighting with hayders who quote tweet her will never not be funny.

*someone had to say it

 

[Ethics Gradient]

There’s something about her I’ve been trying to put my finger on. I’ll have a go at articulating it. Tell me what you think:

There seems to be this UK fad (from about 2010, when the Tories got elected in the UK, and then 2016 with Brexit) to kind of ‘romanticise’ poverty.

It seems to be driven by mostly well-heeled urban liberals who read too much Polly Toynbee / Owen Jones / Laurie Penny / Generic ‘socialist’ Guardian brainrot.

‘Poverty’ to these people is akin to both Dickensian workhouses where good and honest working ppl are exploited and kept down. Or this kind of 1940s wartime austerity where we’re all in it together, and kids play in the street like the old Hovis ad from the 90s.

Today, a single parent with multiple young kids tearing around is gonna drop the giro cheque on an eighth and 20 superkings, probably while they put it on ticktok (look at the ‘Hollie Dance / Lisa Pittaway thread and you’ll get the picture). People like that are not gonna drop £20 on a shitty cookbook. I guarantee that it’ll be chips and fish fingers in the oven and that’s it.

For all the other (non-Hollie Dance types) they know how to make do. BBC Goodfood is loaded with budget cooking, and it’s free!

I’m probably more left leaning than right. But, fuck me, the levels of smarm oozing from the champagne socialists, living in multi-million London homes on how they understand poverty is infuriating to me.

Whether she denies this /accepts this is kind of irrelevant, but Jack / Mel is the personification of the smarmy lefty. One who is worse because she has found a means of monetising the grift for her own benefit.

Sorry for the sperg… give me all the top hats as I’m clearly MATI.

 

[frap]

People like that are not gonna drop £20 on a shitty cookbook. I guarantee that it’ll be chips and fish fingers in the oven and that’s it.

Accurate. My mother never even owned a cookbook. This was my childhood.

 

[Carpe Jugulum]

Accurate. My mother never even owned a cookbook. This was my childhood.

Spam and tomato sauce sandwiches. To this day I detest both.

It’s still better than rinsed hoops.

 

[TismFarmer]

Oh Jack...
Everyone can see you're middle class and don't come close to understanding what it's like to live with the fear of poverty.
It was obvious right from the start when you had no fear of admitting, in a public forum, that you could not provide the basic necessities of life for your small child.
No fear of the authorities?
No worries that a social worker will turn up on your doorstep?
No thoughts of how that would look in Family court when your ex asks for custody?
No fear that the Dept. of Welfare might ask where your benefits are going that you can't afford food?
No social worker telling you that you cannot live in a luxurious home and still plead poverty?
Sure Jan....

 

[Hongourable Madisha]

There’s something about her I’ve been trying to put my finger on. I’ll have a go at articulating it. Tell me what you think:

There seems to be this UK fad (from about 2010, when the Tories got elected in the UK, and then 2016 with Brexit) to kind of ‘romanticise’ poverty.

It seems to be driven by mostly well-heeled urban liberals who read too much Polly Toynbee / Owen Jones / Laurie Penny / Generic ‘socialist’ Guardian brainrot.

‘Poverty’ to these people is akin to both Dickensian workhouses where good and honest working ppl are exploited and kept down. Or this kind of 1940s wartime austerity where we’re all in it together, and kids play in the street like the old Hovis ad from the 90s.

Today, a single parent with multiple young kids tearing around is gonna drop the giro cheque on an eighth and 20 superkings, probably while they put it on ticktok (look at the ‘Hollie Dance / Lisa Pittaway thread and you’ll get the picture). People like that are not gonna drop £20 on a shitty cookbook. I guarantee that it’ll be chips and fish fingers in the oven and that’s it.

For all the other (non-Hollie Dance types) they know how to make do. BBC Goodfood is loaded with budget cooking, and it’s free!

I’m probably more left leaning than right. But, fuck me, the levels of smarm oozing from the champagne socialists, living in multi-million London homes on how they understand poverty is infuriating to me.

Whether she denies this /accepts this is kind of irrelevant, but Jack / Mel is the personification of the smarmy lefty. One who is worse because she has found a means of monetising the grift for her own benefit.

Sorry for the sperg… give me all the top hats as I’m clearly MATI.

It's these same people who undermine the actual left. Look at how Owen Jones and Ash Sarkar et al treated Eddie Dempsey, the deputy gen sec of the RMT, one of the biggest and most active trade unions in the country. Eddie laid out the whole situation here and rips into him brilliantly.

 

[frap]

It's these same people who undermine the actual left. Look at how Owen Jones and Ash Sarkar et al treated Eddie Dempsey, the deputy gen sec of the RMT, one of the biggest and most active trade unions in the country. Eddie laid out the whole situation here and rips into him brilliantly.

I'm a few minutes into his speech on that page (below) and when he talks about working class people who have been "robbed of a voice in their own movement"—oof. I think anyone on this site who leans/leaned to the left even a little and have seen crybaby champagne socialists colonise it will relate to that. Identity politics these days only exist because the left has been hijacked by people who have to manufacture problems to complain about in an attempt to own the right-wing.

 

[tasty humane burger]

I'm a few minutes into his speech on that page (below) and when he talks about working class people who have been "robbed of a voice in their own movement"—oof. I think anyone on this site who leans/leaned to the left even a little and have seen crybaby champagne socialists colonise it will relate to that. Identity politics these days only exist because the left has been hijacked by people who have to manufacture problems to complain about in an attempt to own the right-wing.

Not to derail but 100% - if you check my post history it’s clear I’m a britbong lib but the state of the people on the British left today (on Twitter at least) are nutters - Jack included. Just look at Owen Jones Twitter feed from today - simping on an arguably centrist politician (Nicola Sturgeon) resigning but REEing over Keir Starmer, who could become the next Labour PM, because he criticised Corbyn over antisemitism.

(Okay enough derailing, we aren’t Tattle)

 

[frap]

Not to derail but 100% - if you check my post history it’s clear I’m a britbong lib but the state of the people on the British left today (on Twitter at least) are nutters - Jack included. Just look at Owen Jones Twitter feed from today - simping on an arguably centrist politician (Nicola Sturgeon) resigning but REEing over Keir Starmer, who could become the next Labour PM, because he criticised Corbyn over antisemitism.

(Okay enough derailing, we aren’t Tattle)

I usually test as roughly liberal when I take any of those online political tests and I'm floating voter, but we're all Nazis by the standards of people like JM and OJ these days.

 

[Adrenochrome Dreams]

Severe anorexia… from the age of 8 or 9, until about 20.

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Here she is as a teen, a normal healthy weight.

More evidence of her severe anorexia, which was magically cured upon becoming pregnant aged 21.

Here she is from "nearly 20 years ago" according to an old twitter friend, so probably aged 16 or so.

 

[frap]

More evidence of her severe anorexia, which was magically cured upon becoming pregnant aged 21.

Here she is from "nearly 20 years ago" according to an old twitter from, so probably aged 16 or so.

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Somewhat chubby (still growing out the baby fat?) with a flat arse. Didn't she once claim to have a bountiful "Mediterranean" arse?