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Felcher-Martin strikes me as a Jerry Brudos type.
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By far the funniest thing about Micah is his extreme rhetoric compared to his actual chicken shit fear of real life consequences. He has since deleted all tweets mentioning Singal because of the idea of losing access to twitter is too much to bear for a 400lb virtual shut in. Remember, if you buy a Harry Potter video game you are personally responsible for the death of every troon but if you openly fantasize about torturing and murdering your enemies, well that's all in good fun and words mean nothing.
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Now Singal's written a substack about it:
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I try to keep this newsletter mostly free of complaints about people’s Twitter conduct toward me. If you write about controversial issues, people are going to say deranged things about you on Twitter. It’s inevitable. I ignore a lot of absolutely unhinged, defamatory garbage because there is nothing I can do about it, because a solid amount of it comes from anonymous and pseudonymous weirdos with no platform, and because I’d rather focus on the good faith critiques of my work I sometimes receive via email and (much more rarely) Twitter. There are plenty of people who disagree with me who don’t melt down over it.
Once in a while, when stuff has gotten out of hand and has involved other journalists or academics joining the defamation efforts, I’ve written about it (or others have), but this is rare. I’m making one of those rare exceptions simply to provide a record of some of the horror writer Gretchen Felker-Martin’s tweets about me over the last several years, because they are insane. I think her goal is to tweet enough incitement about me so that one of her unstable followers finds a way to harm me at some point. This probably won’t happen — instances of online harassment spilling over into real-world violence are thankfully quite rare — but I can’t come up with any other remotely credible explanation for her behavior. If you tweet false and inflammatory claims about someone over and over and over for years, as well as fantasies about them being violently murdered or sexually humiliated, you’re raising the likelihood that someone will take action.
I only became aware of most of these tweets because yesterday Felker-Martin tweeted that I, alongside Helen Joyce and J. K. Rowling, should have our throats slit. Why should we have our throats slit? Because a trans teenager was stabbed to death in the UK, and because people on Twitter immediately decided, despite a lack of any hard evidence, that it was a hate crime (police are still investigating the killing and have cautioned the public against spreading speculation and misinformation online).
Felker-Martin wrote: “Blood on Jessie [sic] Singal’s hands, blood on Helen Joyce’s, Rowling’s, every just-asking-questions journalist and fear-mongering TERFs. You’re scared for your children? They’re killing ours. … If they all had one throat, man.”
(I’m blocking out the victim’s image because it makes me queasy that a photograph of a murdered teen was used in this manner, and I don’t want that photograph to continue to get batted around like a tennis ball.)
Felker-Martin’s logic appears to be that because I have written critically about the evidence underpinning youth gender medicine, that led to someone getting stabbed. If you’re having trouble connecting the dots, I’m right there with you.
Until last night, all I knew about Felker-Martin was that she is a horror writer beloved by mainstream critics but infamous, among gender critical types, for a scene in her recent novel in which J. K. Rowling burns to death in a fire, and that she had once called me a Nazi (I’d responded by saying it’s a bad idea to call Jewish people Nazis, but I don’t think we’d had any other direct interaction). Once I saw Felker-Martin’s death threat, I searched for her other mentions of me, and it was fairly shocking, even by Twitter standards. Obviously the sexual and violent tweets are going to get the most attention here, but I also want to call attention to the chronic and hysterical exaggeration about what I’ve actually written versus what Felker-Martin, when she isn’t fantasizing about me masturbating or being lynched, has imagined I’ve written (though there’s a possibility I’m giving her too much credit and she is simply lying).
Felker-Martin is far from the only offender here. This misrepresentation is an ongoing problem that has contributed to some of the anonymous violent threats and invitations to commit suicide I’ve received on Twitter and via email. Those threats seem to come disproportionately from people who appear to be deeply misinformed about the content of my actual work — most likely, I think, because they follow Felker-Martin or the hundreds (thousands?) of other medium-to-large Twitter accounts who gleefully spread misinformation about it (when they aren’t complaining about those dang conservatives and their propensity for spreading Fake News). Felker-Martin’s descriptions of my writing on youth gender medicine would absolutely apply to someone who had, for example, called for transgender people to be rounded up and forcibly detransitioned or killed. But of course I’ve never written anything within light years of that. It isn’t hard to find actual examples of people spewing violent or abusive or dehumanizing language against trans people online, but Felker-Martin has decided to fixate on me instead.
I’m speculating here a little, but Felker-Martin’s MO appears to be building a fantasy version of her enemies in which they are so evil that no action toward them is unwarranted, and then using that depiction of them to justify her preexisting tendencies toward sadism and florid violent and sexual fantasies. This isn’t new — I found one of her violent tweets, captured by a right-wing tabloid site, dating back to 2017. In that one she told a city councilor who was opposed to Worcester, Massachusetts becoming a sanctuary city, “we’re gonna bury your lonely corpse in the overgrown lot behind State Liquors, Michael.”
Obviously Felker-Martin’s tweets about me aren’t directly analogous to real-world violence or abuse, but there’s a name for this pattern of “She hit me first!” abuse: DARVO, or “deny, attack, and reverse victim and offender.” You’ll see this consistently in the tweets that follow: Felker-Martin regularly claims I’m the aggressor, and joins a long line of other writers who, as retaliation for my writing on youth gender issues, have spread the defamatory claim that I’ve acted in a creepy way towards trans women online (years later, there’s still no evidence I’ve ever done anything like this, because they simply made it up). If any of this were true, it would imply she is merely acting in self-defense to protect herself, her community, and, as per her tweet last night, “her” children (meaning, apparently, all trans kids around the world). It’s very convenient! I’m so bad, and I’ve harmed so many people, that’s what’s a little open fantasizing about slitting my throat? What’s a little Twitter flash fiction about me getting lynched by her and her friends?
This whole thing is sick, it (slightly) increases the risk someone will seek to do me harm, and I’d like it to stop. I’d also like the ever-growing ranks of “anti-harassment” experts/entrepreneurs to simply admit that they don’t give a shit about this behavior when it comes from people with “good” politics. No one who isn’t already seen as “problematic” or “heterodox” ever raises a peep when I call attention to this stuff. It’s obvious that several of Felker-Martin’s tweets would have, on their own, effectively ended the mainstream career and associations of any writer with the “wrong” politics or identity characteristics. Everyone knows this. Seriously: Thomas Chatterton Williams becomes a trending topic for three days whenever he does a slightly cringe tweet during one of his online spats. Imagine him openly fantasized about slitting the throats of several of his enemies to the left! That would be it for his mainstream-media associations, at least for a few years. Felker-Martin can threaten anyone she wants, in increasingly grisly ways, and no one in her world who matters will lift a finger because they’re terrified of being labeled a transphobe. The cowardice is off the charts.
So she obviously isn’t going to lose work over this, and as profoundly grossed out as I am by her conduct, I don’t want her to. But I’m getting tired of the double standard on this: either online harassment, violent threats, and “stochastic terrorism” are worth devoting huge amounts of energy to, or they aren’t. Where journalists and academics in this area seem to have landed is that these subjects are worth covering and hand-wringing over only when the offending behavior is seen as flowing from right to left. But anyone who spends any time online knows that this sort of dehumanizing and sometimes eliminationist rhetoric is shooting off in every direction. The idea that the right has a monopoly on it is utterly laughable.
On to the tweets, with no further editorializing. This is just a partial sampling, and I’m not going to debunk the specific claims — the whiteness thing, the Kiwi Farms thing, and so on — because every single time, she is distorting or severely oversimplifying what actually happened. It’s as simple as that, and I’ve wasted enough time on this. No one who threatens you with violence has earned the right for you to engage with their concrete claims.
“the tricky science of whether or not Jesse Singal is allowed to vivisect us on live TV while jerking off”
“I open my closet door and find Jesse Singal furiously jerking it, his face purple, a belt drawn taut around his throat with its free end tied to the hanger rod.
Singal (strangled): A little PRIVACY?)”
“Jesse Singal’s entire career is suckling at whatever parts of trans people he can get his teeth into and then crying in big baby wails when we try to get our flesh out of his mouth.”
“Jesse Singal bravely answering the question ‘what if Goebbels was a little birthday boy, come on, you wouldn’t hit a little guy on his birthday?’ ”
“Jesse Singal using the KiwiFarms thing as an excuse to post screenshots of lurid, disgusting threats and anti-trans slurs to his followers. You can practically hear him tugging it.”
“I would simply like to see Jesse Singal’s browser history and hard drive.”
“Jesse Singal is politely trying to incite genocide.”
“Jesse Singal smugly hissing about who does and doesn’t count as white feels like the most inevitable piece of crypto-fash creep in recent history. … The man is one of a few dozen little American Goebbelses and the entire journalistic industry doesn’t care enough to stop it/agrees with him anyway”
“Jesse Singal does nothing but write in a reasonable, NPR-inquisitive tone about how trans people are burdensome and stupid. Trans women are his particular obsession, and his audience is families with a secret or not-so-secret desire to see us disappear.”
(Okay, a little editorializing: As a sommelier of Twitter derangement, I highly recommend pairing Felker-Martin’s “Singal is obsessed with us” tweet with her “Here’s me imagining Singal masturbating to me in my closet” tweet.)
“Cis people, fix your hearts* or die.
*Bind Jesse Singal with strong rope and bring him to the quarry at the edge of town. Give him to us alive and unspoiled. Leave, and no matter the sounds you hear, do not look back.”
Have a great week, everyone.
(Update, 2:50 pm: Felker-Martin appears to have deleted every single one of her tweets about me with no explanation. All the above screenshots were taken last night, so this just happened.)
Gretch DFE'd and hasn't posted about it since. If you're reading Jesse or Katie, archive before making a call out post! You've seen enough of our threads to know how cows like Gretch operate.
( Link / Archive )
I try to keep this newsletter mostly free of complaints about people’s Twitter conduct toward me. If you write about controversial issues, people are going to say deranged things about you on Twitter. It’s inevitable. I ignore a lot of absolutely unhinged, defamatory garbage because there is nothing I can do about it, because a solid amount of it comes from anonymous and pseudonymous weirdos with no platform, and because I’d rather focus on the good faith critiques of my work I sometimes receive via email and (much more rarely) Twitter. There are plenty of people who disagree with me who don’t melt down over it.
Once in a while, when stuff has gotten out of hand and has involved other journalists or academics joining the defamation efforts, I’ve written about it (or others have), but this is rare. I’m making one of those rare exceptions simply to provide a record of some of the horror writer Gretchen Felker-Martin’s tweets about me over the last several years, because they are insane. I think her goal is to tweet enough incitement about me so that one of her unstable followers finds a way to harm me at some point. This probably won’t happen — instances of online harassment spilling over into real-world violence are thankfully quite rare — but I can’t come up with any other remotely credible explanation for her behavior. If you tweet false and inflammatory claims about someone over and over and over for years, as well as fantasies about them being violently murdered or sexually humiliated, you’re raising the likelihood that someone will take action.
I only became aware of most of these tweets because yesterday Felker-Martin tweeted that I, alongside Helen Joyce and J. K. Rowling, should have our throats slit. Why should we have our throats slit? Because a trans teenager was stabbed to death in the UK, and because people on Twitter immediately decided, despite a lack of any hard evidence, that it was a hate crime (police are still investigating the killing and have cautioned the public against spreading speculation and misinformation online).
Felker-Martin wrote: “Blood on Jessie [sic] Singal’s hands, blood on Helen Joyce’s, Rowling’s, every just-asking-questions journalist and fear-mongering TERFs. You’re scared for your children? They’re killing ours. … If they all had one throat, man.”
(I’m blocking out the victim’s image because it makes me queasy that a photograph of a murdered teen was used in this manner, and I don’t want that photograph to continue to get batted around like a tennis ball.)
Felker-Martin’s logic appears to be that because I have written critically about the evidence underpinning youth gender medicine, that led to someone getting stabbed. If you’re having trouble connecting the dots, I’m right there with you.
Until last night, all I knew about Felker-Martin was that she is a horror writer beloved by mainstream critics but infamous, among gender critical types, for a scene in her recent novel in which J. K. Rowling burns to death in a fire, and that she had once called me a Nazi (I’d responded by saying it’s a bad idea to call Jewish people Nazis, but I don’t think we’d had any other direct interaction). Once I saw Felker-Martin’s death threat, I searched for her other mentions of me, and it was fairly shocking, even by Twitter standards. Obviously the sexual and violent tweets are going to get the most attention here, but I also want to call attention to the chronic and hysterical exaggeration about what I’ve actually written versus what Felker-Martin, when she isn’t fantasizing about me masturbating or being lynched, has imagined I’ve written (though there’s a possibility I’m giving her too much credit and she is simply lying).
Felker-Martin is far from the only offender here. This misrepresentation is an ongoing problem that has contributed to some of the anonymous violent threats and invitations to commit suicide I’ve received on Twitter and via email. Those threats seem to come disproportionately from people who appear to be deeply misinformed about the content of my actual work — most likely, I think, because they follow Felker-Martin or the hundreds (thousands?) of other medium-to-large Twitter accounts who gleefully spread misinformation about it (when they aren’t complaining about those dang conservatives and their propensity for spreading Fake News). Felker-Martin’s descriptions of my writing on youth gender medicine would absolutely apply to someone who had, for example, called for transgender people to be rounded up and forcibly detransitioned or killed. But of course I’ve never written anything within light years of that. It isn’t hard to find actual examples of people spewing violent or abusive or dehumanizing language against trans people online, but Felker-Martin has decided to fixate on me instead.
I’m speculating here a little, but Felker-Martin’s MO appears to be building a fantasy version of her enemies in which they are so evil that no action toward them is unwarranted, and then using that depiction of them to justify her preexisting tendencies toward sadism and florid violent and sexual fantasies. This isn’t new — I found one of her violent tweets, captured by a right-wing tabloid site, dating back to 2017. In that one she told a city councilor who was opposed to Worcester, Massachusetts becoming a sanctuary city, “we’re gonna bury your lonely corpse in the overgrown lot behind State Liquors, Michael.”
Obviously Felker-Martin’s tweets about me aren’t directly analogous to real-world violence or abuse, but there’s a name for this pattern of “She hit me first!” abuse: DARVO, or “deny, attack, and reverse victim and offender.” You’ll see this consistently in the tweets that follow: Felker-Martin regularly claims I’m the aggressor, and joins a long line of other writers who, as retaliation for my writing on youth gender issues, have spread the defamatory claim that I’ve acted in a creepy way towards trans women online (years later, there’s still no evidence I’ve ever done anything like this, because they simply made it up). If any of this were true, it would imply she is merely acting in self-defense to protect herself, her community, and, as per her tweet last night, “her” children (meaning, apparently, all trans kids around the world). It’s very convenient! I’m so bad, and I’ve harmed so many people, that’s what’s a little open fantasizing about slitting my throat? What’s a little Twitter flash fiction about me getting lynched by her and her friends?
This whole thing is sick, it (slightly) increases the risk someone will seek to do me harm, and I’d like it to stop. I’d also like the ever-growing ranks of “anti-harassment” experts/entrepreneurs to simply admit that they don’t give a shit about this behavior when it comes from people with “good” politics. No one who isn’t already seen as “problematic” or “heterodox” ever raises a peep when I call attention to this stuff. It’s obvious that several of Felker-Martin’s tweets would have, on their own, effectively ended the mainstream career and associations of any writer with the “wrong” politics or identity characteristics. Everyone knows this. Seriously: Thomas Chatterton Williams becomes a trending topic for three days whenever he does a slightly cringe tweet during one of his online spats. Imagine him openly fantasized about slitting the throats of several of his enemies to the left! That would be it for his mainstream-media associations, at least for a few years. Felker-Martin can threaten anyone she wants, in increasingly grisly ways, and no one in her world who matters will lift a finger because they’re terrified of being labeled a transphobe. The cowardice is off the charts.
So she obviously isn’t going to lose work over this, and as profoundly grossed out as I am by her conduct, I don’t want her to. But I’m getting tired of the double standard on this: either online harassment, violent threats, and “stochastic terrorism” are worth devoting huge amounts of energy to, or they aren’t. Where journalists and academics in this area seem to have landed is that these subjects are worth covering and hand-wringing over only when the offending behavior is seen as flowing from right to left. But anyone who spends any time online knows that this sort of dehumanizing and sometimes eliminationist rhetoric is shooting off in every direction. The idea that the right has a monopoly on it is utterly laughable.
On to the tweets, with no further editorializing. This is just a partial sampling, and I’m not going to debunk the specific claims — the whiteness thing, the Kiwi Farms thing, and so on — because every single time, she is distorting or severely oversimplifying what actually happened. It’s as simple as that, and I’ve wasted enough time on this. No one who threatens you with violence has earned the right for you to engage with their concrete claims.
“the tricky science of whether or not Jesse Singal is allowed to vivisect us on live TV while jerking off”
“I open my closet door and find Jesse Singal furiously jerking it, his face purple, a belt drawn taut around his throat with its free end tied to the hanger rod.
Singal (strangled): A little PRIVACY?)”
“Jesse Singal’s entire career is suckling at whatever parts of trans people he can get his teeth into and then crying in big baby wails when we try to get our flesh out of his mouth.”
“Jesse Singal bravely answering the question ‘what if Goebbels was a little birthday boy, come on, you wouldn’t hit a little guy on his birthday?’ ”
“Jesse Singal using the KiwiFarms thing as an excuse to post screenshots of lurid, disgusting threats and anti-trans slurs to his followers. You can practically hear him tugging it.”
“I would simply like to see Jesse Singal’s browser history and hard drive.”
“Jesse Singal is politely trying to incite genocide.”
“Jesse Singal smugly hissing about who does and doesn’t count as white feels like the most inevitable piece of crypto-fash creep in recent history. … The man is one of a few dozen little American Goebbelses and the entire journalistic industry doesn’t care enough to stop it/agrees with him anyway”
“Jesse Singal does nothing but write in a reasonable, NPR-inquisitive tone about how trans people are burdensome and stupid. Trans women are his particular obsession, and his audience is families with a secret or not-so-secret desire to see us disappear.”
(Okay, a little editorializing: As a sommelier of Twitter derangement, I highly recommend pairing Felker-Martin’s “Singal is obsessed with us” tweet with her “Here’s me imagining Singal masturbating to me in my closet” tweet.)
“Cis people, fix your hearts* or die.
*Bind Jesse Singal with strong rope and bring him to the quarry at the edge of town. Give him to us alive and unspoiled. Leave, and no matter the sounds you hear, do not look back.”
Have a great week, everyone.
(Update, 2:50 pm: Felker-Martin appears to have deleted every single one of her tweets about me with no explanation. All the above screenshots were taken last night, so this just happened.)
Gretch DFE'd and hasn't posted about it since. If you're reading Jesse or Katie, archive before making a call out post! You've seen enough of our threads to know how cows like Gretch operate.
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Micah and Joe are the same edgy shitposters who can't believe the unwashed masses don't take kindly to their insane violent fantasies.
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I wasn't going to comment on this because I think I've pointed it out in regards to Joe saying something similar before but after seeing the enthusiastic agreeing replies I have to really point out that if you achieve this then everyone will be able to refuse access based on socially constructed gender or perceived sex. You don't want abolition you want everything within the state, nothing outside the state so people are forced to accept the sex you've claimed to change through the power of language, Joe.
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I think that's right. He doesn't want sex definitions to be something he can't control. In a postmodern, anarchist state, he can manipulate those definitions to his heart's content. But ... so can everyone else.
I also think it's funny he reupped this argument right when every other troon is trying to get the State to change a UK teenager's death certificate sex. Joe would probably say it's chasing a government head pat.
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wait what? he's not yet forty?
no wai.
He looks so rough. Joe, I thought you were at least 45 you wrinkled ball sack of a man.
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This is the whole problem. I've listened to Blocked and Reported, and there's no way Singal would have become openly 'heterodox' if not for receiving this kind of backlash in response to sane and researched journalism on the reality of children's transition related medicine. Micah is literally blackpilling Jesse and many other people when they act like this, and I don't think the situation will resolve how they want.
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Today they activism'd. New York Times open letter. They are not on the main list since they have never contributed to the NYT. The "supported by" part of the letter includes the names Daniel Lavery and Gretchen Felker-Martin. Grace Lavery and Nicole Cliffe are no-shows.
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Sharing an open letter on Instagram but being too lazy to actually sign said open letter is a beautiful summarization of Grace, isn't it?
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Maybe he is withholding his labor from internet letters, a euphemism for "forgot to show up to work due to L*ng C*vid."
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Gretchen might have caved and deleted his detailed fantasies about killing women and Jewish men, but never fear: he is still bravely defending having sex in front of children.
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That seems almost impossibly lazy. Isn't it more likely that the open letter people just didn't think Joe was important enough to include?
Octopi
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Also possible. I took open letter to mean open to anyone, though I suppose that isn't always the case.
Do the Laveries have quite separate online personas - as in, is it likely that one of them would be asked to sign without the other being asked? Not necessarily as a deliberate snub, but just because the person asking wouldn't even have the other one on their radar.
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As long as he continues to call 6’4 400lb men like Micah Martin “she”, I can’t take Jesse Singal seriously.
Also thanks to @behindyourightnow post above, I’m certain Micah sexually abused his younger sister or at least harbored fantasies to do so. A man so obsessed with sibling incest and exposing children to sexual displays is exactly the type to whack off in sis’s pants.
Also thanks to @behindyourightnow post above, I’m certain Micah sexually abused his younger sister or at least harbored fantasies to do so. A man so obsessed with sibling incest and exposing children to sexual displays is exactly the type to whack off in sis’s pants.
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Singal's writing is also way too pozzed for radical feminists or social conservatives to read. Even for normal lesbians to read, I think. He's really just "pro-surgical-standards" (or takes care to publish in that manner to cover his arse).
Why is it alphabetized by first name??? Is this a convention in this style of petition? It looks retarded.
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Yeah, Singal’s pretty pro trans. Way more than I think any of us in the thread, at least. He still seems to think that, out in the great wide somewhere, is a kid who would benefit from “transition care.” Or at least that’s his public stance. I really, really doubt this is the case.
Notice how I managed to say that without launching into a ghoulish fantasy where Singal is tortured to death for my pleasure, while voicing a pretty serious disagreement with the man. Shockingly easy to do.
Notice how I managed to say that without launching into a ghoulish fantasy where Singal is tortured to death for my pleasure, while voicing a pretty serious disagreement with the man. Shockingly easy to do.
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I like how he jumped from accepting "sexual" advertising as generally not harmful to kids to demanding the acceptance of sexual acts, including BDSM, in public. And used this "logic" to leverage against someone who seems to more be saying it's just not a good idea or helpful to do that stuff at pride.Gretchen might have caved and deleted his detailed fantasies about killing women and Jewish men, but never fear: he is still bravely defending having sex in front of children.
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